=== Bonzodog [n=Bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:35] mdke: I noticed the link to the UDSF was removed from the wiki frontpage and replaced with a link to the forum/delta [12:37] manicka, i didn't notice that, I'm subscribed to that page [12:38] show me [12:39] hang on, let me check [12:40] afaik, it's never been on the front page [12:40] the forum delta has been on there for a long time tho [12:40] hmmm, let me check my logs, I may have the wrong page [12:41] yeah, i added the link to the forum delta page in July this year [12:41] my apologies, I had the wrong page [12:42] which page? [12:42] Nothing has changed [12:42] ah [12:46] that forum/delta page by the way is awful. I'm not surprised it hasn't been used very much [12:46] manicka, awful in what way? [12:47] the layout/structure [12:48] manicka, you understand that it is not supposed to be a place for users to learn right? [12:49] it is a drop-off point for people who don't want to learn how to edit the wiki properly, and just want to paste in material [12:49] feel free to improve it, of course [12:49] that's what a wiki is all about [12:50] okay, the drop-off point concept had escaped me [12:50] manicka, it's written right there on the page! [12:50] lol, yeah I know [12:51] first paragraph [12:51] I should have read it more closely [12:51] no wonder you don't like our wiki :( [12:51] I didn't know of it's existence until today [12:51] I never said I don't like the wiki [12:52] I use it all the time :) [12:53] manicka, [23:51:53] <@dc> charm [12:53] argh [12:53] sorry bad paste [12:53] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81999 [12:53] there is an explanation of how it is intended to work there [12:54] so how much of the stuff pasted there gets turned into userdocs [12:55] i don't know [12:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Postfix was originally there [12:56] i guess whenever someone has some spare time [12:56] that page still needs a fair amount of work too :) [12:57] hmm, you need someone to take hold of that project and make it happen [12:57] if users paste stuff there then it sits there for months, then there's not much incentive [12:58] yeah that is very true [12:58] taking a look now, some of the stuff is very out of date, it's obviously been sitting there a while [01:00] we have a different way of doing things..we have people who trawl the forums, and we work with other teams, and we get the tweaker teams to paste links in to use how-to's etc into a 'threads to doc' page. The TB team members then go through that page and start porting the stuff from the forums or sites linked to [01:00] once it is added it is immediately accessible by anyone [01:00] that's not a different way of doing things, it's the same, but more organised and with more people [01:00] there is no approval period [01:01] think of what you call 'threads to doc' as the forum section on wiki.u.c, it's really the same thing [01:02] when it comes down to it, the only difference is that regular work is going into it on gwos [01:02] whereas wiki.u.c/forum is a bit more stagnant [01:02] you see 'threads to doc' only contains links, nothing else [01:02] also, the how-to's are forum guides, not official ways of doing things [01:03] Bonzo: so are the userdocs on the wiki [01:03] they maybe a 'shortcut' that someone has found, or someones individual way of performing a well known but difficult tasks [01:04] i don't see how that is a difference [01:04] we were always given to understand that the wiki would only host 'official' methods of doing things [01:05] Bonzodog, define "official" [01:05] and the wiki edits would also be quarantined until they were seen as fit to add by a member of the doc team [01:06] Bonzodog, we prefer to only add documents to the _index_ when they are finished and are fit for users yes, but otherwise, the wiki is totally open. [01:06] you can create a page called "TalkingRubbish" and fill it with whatever you like, it's all open [01:07] 'official' - methods as defined in the software manuals and faq's [01:07] Bonzodog, which software manuals and faqs? [01:08] i'm trying to think of the best definition. [01:08] there isn't one ;) [01:09] bonzo: my understanding has always been that the userdocs sections are open to anyone [01:09] or rather, if there is, it doesn't include even half of the material on the wiki [01:11] you see, i've entered into this argument late, and i'm trying desperately to understand why there is a dis-agreement between the two doc teams [01:11] i was in it early, and I havne't got a clue [01:12] lol, it's confusing at times [01:12] I do think gwos does serve a useful purpose, and that both wikis should co-exist [01:14] Bonzodog, reasons? [01:15] put them on that page :) [01:15] we are doing [01:15] It would be nice to be able to get launchpad recognition for being on the forum teams [01:17] you have to ask the forum team admins === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:19] hey guys [01:19] mdke, grokking hard on the wiki eh? [01:19] hello jerome [01:19] doing some tidying [01:19] nice [01:19] anyways [01:20] mdke, were you able to check the logs 2 days ago about some random discussion we did here [01:20] i saw it [01:20] the review thing [01:20] oh no, not that [01:20] remind me? [01:20] well i thought of having a revew week of sorts before every milestone comes out [01:21] sounds like a clever idea, what would it entail? [01:21] i thought of writing again, but a lot stuff was already written and who knows what's on the mind of the current maintainers [01:21] i wouldn't want to be invasive when i start writing [01:21] so i thought of writing on the doc but in comments [01:22] eh? [01:22] there is so much stuff missing from the docs still :) [01:22] yes [01:22] go ahead and write! [01:22] it was just an idea pulled off from REVU [01:23] hmm [01:23] the idea of reviewing stuff before milestones sounds good [01:23] and i think we should properly document ourselves first :) [01:23] but I don't think you should get slowed down by anything [01:23] at least update our wiki pages === jsgotangco grins [01:23] there are already too few people working on the docs [01:24] not at all [01:24] jsgotangco, sure we can work on the wiki pages, but they are actually not too bad [01:25] mdke, i just thought of pretty wild ideas while i was drunk with 3 cans of red bull [01:25] hehe [01:25] the wiki pages do need love, definitely [01:25] i was thinking we should move to a subpage [01:27] not a bad idea [01:28] it'll still get indexed by the search engine right? [01:28] yes [01:29] ooh nice Navigation macro [01:29] who wrote that? [01:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility [01:31] henrik or perhaps luke [01:31] oh it comes with Moin doh [01:32] looks like they've customised it tho [01:32] there is pretty good progress with the a11y team [01:33] looks good [01:33] thats really great [01:37] -> bed [01:43] later === Bonzodog [n=Bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === alexandre [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3715721.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by Burgundavia at Tue Nov 8 03:34:59 2005 [09:54] Morning all [10:05] hi [10:08] Madpilot: watsup ? [10:10] not much, just finishing Christmas wrapping === jsgotangco awaits a gift from canada somewhere in victoria [10:11] jsgotangco: not this year, sorry :P === rob1 pokes his head in === mdke grabs rob1 [10:26] hi mdke [10:26] hello :( [10:26] ? [10:26] where have you been? [10:26] busy [10:27] end of year stuff with work (admin crap), family bbqs and stuff [10:27] so what shall we do with the desktopguide? [10:27] we tried to have a meeting last week... [10:27] can we try again? [10:27] yeah [10:27] when? [10:27] rob1, whenever you can actually turn up [10:28] any times when you can definitely make it? [10:28] rob1, i asked IOSN about you but they prefer people from developing countries [10:28] mdke, I don't remember seeing a time set [10:28] jsgotangco, sure np [10:29] rob1, it was last sunday [10:29] jsgotangco, thanks [10:29] this sunday is not an option, maybe next week? [10:29] umm.. [10:29] rob1, maybe you can say you're on asylum haha [10:29] heh [10:30] mdke, who apart from the two of us do you want to have attend the meeting? [10:31] Madpilot [10:32] if poss, and anyone else who will work on the desktopguide [10:33] maybe we need some kind of wiki page where intrested people can put their names down? perhaps put down a suggested time? [10:34] sure [10:34] but you have to be there, IMO [10:34] OgMaciel was interested too [10:34] so I'll work around you [10:35] well I have nothing on tonight if those people happen to be around (for the next 5 hours or so [10:35] mdke, Madpilot is around now if your keen [10:35] i'm at work, will have to go in a minute [10:35] :( [10:35] ah dang [10:36] it's 0136 here, need sleep soon [10:36] dam time difference [10:36] rob1, we'll go the wiki page route I guess, we can email too [10:37] yeah ok [10:37] rob1, let's move elsewhere, like mdke 's pad [10:37] sure why not! [10:37] hmm [10:37] rob1, he's a lawyer, i'm sure he can let us bum around [10:37] i bet sabdfl's place is nicer [10:37] and he can feed us forever [10:37] yeah, hes gotta be cashed up [10:38] him too [10:38] yeah but he already has a posse while mdke still has to create one while his empire grows [10:38] heh [10:38] better to start early [10:38] true [10:39] free food/money/airline tickets would help! [10:39] rob1, one quick thing [10:39] yeah [10:39] is the "mk" file in the desktopguide folder the up to date one? [10:39] if so, let's switch to using that [10:40] mdke, adopt us and we can do ubuntu work under your name [10:40] heh [10:40] no, I move it all to the proper make file [10:40] +d [10:40] rob1, i like the idea of using decentralised makefiles, it will be easier to keep the main makefile under control, and for translations [10:40] does that "mk" one work? [10:40] mdke, sure I have no problem with that [10:41] I think its a bit dated, might not include everything it needs to [10:41] ok i'll compare the two [10:41] you could just copy/paste from the original make file === mdke nods [10:42] whos been going screenshot crazy on svn? [10:42] well thumbs anyway [10:43] mgalvin, they are from his dapper release notes thing on the wiki [10:44] ah [10:44] ok -> work [10:44] later all [10:44] cya === mdke comes back [10:48] ? [10:48] did you quit? [10:48] see? [10:48] our favorite barrister doesn't need to work! [10:48] the money just comes in! [10:48] yeah my supervisor isn't in yet and i have nothing on [10:48] Madpilot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP <-- rock! [10:49] just noticing some hot stuff on the wiki [10:49] mdke, wow i didn't know lawyers had supervisors... [10:49] jsgotangco, trainee lawyers do [10:49] ahhh [10:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Madwifi-ng [10:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelcomeToPython [10:50] In russia, the lawyers supervise you! [10:51] mdke, a little grease doesn't hurt [10:51] lol [10:51] joke [10:51] mdke: a fair bit of that page is from either the wiki or was already there; I've just done a lot of editing & a few additions [10:53] whats with the odd google logos on google? [10:53] Madpilot, isn't it ready for UserDocumentation? [10:54] oh its there [10:54] weird [10:54] holiday doodle [10:54] didn't see it when I did a title search :( [10:54] stupid moin [10:56] mdke: no, it's there, and it's fine, but most of it isn't actually my work, that's all ;) [10:56] Madpilot, np, it's great anyway [10:59] mdke: you writing wiki articles for the Fridge, then? [11:00] ? [11:01] you mean, an entry about cool wiki pages? [11:01] yeah, that's what I meant... [11:02] that is the greatest idea ever [11:02] wasn't it brought up at the last DocTeam meeting or last CC Meeting? === Madpilot is getting his meetings confused... === mdke doesn't remember it [11:02] perhaps we can include it in the docteam newsletter idea [11:03] umm.. someone was asking us about wiki pages the other day for the fridge [11:03] ah, who? [11:03] if we can put together a nice newsletter, we can ask for it to be posted on the fridge [11:03] umm.. [11:03] c- something [11:04] crimsum? [11:04] could be? [11:04] i've only seen whiprush and jdub posting to the fridge [11:05] crimsun? [11:05] mr. fridge and fridge jr. [11:06] might have been whiprush [11:06] it was someone.. [11:06] ok let's let them ,know we'll prepare a rocking newsletter, on the wiki, and post it around the place [11:06] UDN style [11:06] sounds good to me [11:07] yeah we (the people around at the time) did, and gave them several wiki pages to look at featuring [11:08] ah cool [11:17] need sleep - later, all [11:17] cya Madpilot [11:17] later mate [11:28] is anyone else having a problem with this mirror ?? http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl [11:29] k31th, you have to try in #ubuntu about that sort of thing [11:30] ok === manicka [n=manicka@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-68-238-172-74.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:37] are you aware of this breakage: [12:37] cp libs/ubuntu-book.css ../build/ubuntu/desktopguide/ [12:37] Complete. Find outputs at ../build/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ [12:37] make[1] : *** No rule to make target `dg-IT', needed by `dg'. Stop. [12:37] make[1] : Leaving directory `/tmp/buildd/ubuntu-docs-5.12.4/ubuntu' [12:37] make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-build] Error 2 [12:54] i'll drop dg-IT from the dg Makefile target and put up a debdiff of the changes i did online, so you can maybe feed it back to svn === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-11.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === k31th [n=Kevin@flashtek-uk.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:38] hello [03:39] hi === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:44] morning :) [03:46] hey jjesse i started hacking on your doc today [03:48] jsgotangco: awesome [03:48] hack away hack away all [03:59] jsgotangco: lots of changes? [04:00] sort of are you doing changes at the moment? [04:02] none today [04:03] can you hold of till monday? [04:03] after work on friday i'll be !internet for a week [04:03] great [04:04] so if possible i would like to be able to sync around friday 5pm EST (i'm -5 UTC) [04:04] and be able to hack away at things while i'm at my in-laws [04:04] hmm ok i won't touch the doc then [04:04] i'll update the quickguide instead [04:05] well if you do the release notes, i gues i can work on the desktop guide ? [04:05] sure [04:05] i havent really looked at the other guides really [04:06] anyone know if the desktopguide is ready to be worked on for kubuntu? === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:22] dholbach, thanks i'll fix it [04:22] my bad [04:23] ? [04:24] jsgotangco, daniel found an error in the makefile [04:25] mdke: the other thing is, the "script" in debian/README should refer to debian/README.Debian, not debian/README.debian [04:25] (capital D) [04:25] that's all i changed apart from adding a changelog entry [04:25] oh is mdke packaging? [04:27] dholbach, ok great, stick the diff up if you like [04:27] jsgotangco, no... [04:27] dholbach, but we really need to get you svn access for this stuff :) [04:27] haha ;) === jsgotangco hums [04:38] mdke: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/tiny.patch [04:38] hmhmhmmh: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/tiny.patch [04:38] oops sorry, did the diff the wrong way around [04:38] apply it with -R please [04:39] dholbach, i'll just do it manually, np [04:39] patch -p1 -R < tiny.patch should do [04:39] alrighty [04:40] -p0 might too [04:42] i see greatness at work === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:45] i'm off for getting christmas presents - see you [04:46] dholbach, later, i'll expect it from the post then [04:46] =) === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-109.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rinzai-shu [n=rinzai@adsl-210-121-202.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:00] mdke_: did you start a newsletter wiki page yet? === rinzai-sh1 [n=rinzai@adsl-210-90-145.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A66EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:48] for one of the docs that i have mostly finished, switching you friend to kubuntu, i need to add accessing windows partition, is this the best spot to go? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions [09:56] jjesse: its overly verbose but looks like it will work [09:56] (at a quick glance) [09:58] mgalvin: thanks, should have looked at the FAQ Guide first [09:58] the one that we publish :) [09:58] :) === manicka [n=manicka@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === theCore [n=theCore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3715721.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-98.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217cbd164.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc