[12:10] <cliebow> hi: ogra suggested i ask here..using 2.6.12-10-386 no /dev/video* devices are created..lsusb shows a quickcam..quickcam and videodev are loaded modules..i made my own /dev/video* and a simlink to /dev/video0..but still get no such device..you guys have a ny suggestions?
[12:16] <crimsun> which device?
[12:16] <cliebow> it is a connectix corp quickcam.
[12:17] <cliebow> i compiled the module for it
[12:17] <cliebow> im one of the ltsp guys
[12:17] <crimsun> lsusb -v -> pastebin, please
[12:17] <crimsun> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:19] <cliebow> i p-asted..dont see it here.6005
[12:20] <crimsun> 0478:0001, hmm.
[12:20] <crimsun> anyway you could provide -v output?
[12:21] <cliebow> have prob with that..says cant get hub description
[12:22] <cliebow> ohh
[12:23] <cliebow> ohh
[12:23] <cliebow> that help?
[12:23] <cliebow> 6006
[12:24] <crimsun> yep, thanks, sec.
[12:28] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure you need a the vc-specific driver
[12:28] <crimsun> s/a the/the/
[12:29] <cliebow> i see..il google for that andpress on then..thanks a heap
[12:32] <crimsun> cliebow: out of curiosity, what does dmesg say regarding the quickcam?
[12:32] <cliebow> sugg on easiest cam to work with?
[12:33] <cliebow> take a sec
[12:33] <cliebow> usbcore:registered new driver quickcam
[12:35] <cliebow> id happily buy one i knew would more or less jusgt work
[12:36] <cliebow> no other clues
[12:37] <crimsun> hmm, so no other info regarding quickcam in dmesg?
[12:37] <cliebow> i could nt see anything else..still poikng
[12:38] <cliebow> sbalneaves has used the same durn thing in ubuntu...dont get it..i donr know what builds /dev/video*
[12:39] <crimsun> the quickcam kernel module will cause /dev/video* to be enumerated
[12:40] <cliebow> maybe i screwed up the compile..thougt all went well..
[12:41] <crimsun> no, it's not the compile. It's either a completely different model with an obscure vendor/product id, or something else
[12:42] <cliebow> ill find something else if this still barfs..thanks for trying
[12:48] <crimsun> it looks like you'll need to pull from cvs head (usb-quickcam-vc)
[12:48] <cliebow> ahh ha
[12:49] <cliebow> ahh from cvs
[12:51] <crimsun> then apply a patch (http://projects.troy.rollo.name/quickcam-vc/diffs-cvs-20050426.patch) against the cvs head checkout
[12:51] <crimsun> then compile that driver against linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:52] <cliebow> a patch to the cvs head source then
[12:52] <cliebow> pull it from source forge then?
[12:52] <crimsun> yep
[12:56] <cliebow> got the patch..unsure how to pull the source code
[12:56] <crimsun> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/usb-quickcam-vc login && cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/usb-quickcam-vc co -P qcamvc
[12:57] <crimsun> the diff is against the qcamvc/linux_2.6 sourc
[12:57] <crimsun> +e
[01:00] <crimsun> you'll also need to hack qcamvc.c a bit for the remap_page_range() obsoletion
[01:02] <cliebow> wow...ill give er a try..got to put the roast in..
[01:02] <cliebow> let you know if i get anywhere..8)
[01:06] <crimsun> I'll walk you through it
[01:06] <crimsun> I've compiled it, but I can't test it because I lack the hardware
[01:09] <crimsun> cliebow: here's a diff you can apply against a fresh checkout: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/qcamvc.patched.diff
[01:10] <cliebow> very good!!
[01:10] <crimsun> cliebow: the diff on my Web site combines the colourspace patches and the compilation diff; it compiles with gcc-3.4 and linux-headers-$(uname -r) on Breezy
[01:11] <cliebow> wow..
[01:11] <cliebow> ill have tocheck that $CC=gcc-3.4
[01:12] <crimsun> you'll need to run ''make modules'' from qcamvc/linux_2.6
[01:12] <crimsun> probably want to ''make install'' as well; the module to load is qcamvc_usb
[01:13] <cliebow> alright..the patch in same directory as qcamvc.c i suppose
[01:13] <crimsun> if you pass -d to patch, sure
[01:13] <crimsun> otherwise you need to be in qcamvc/
[01:15] <crimsun> hopefully that will get you going with it
[01:15] <cliebow> patch -p0 qcmvc.patched.diff
[01:15] <cliebow> patch -p0 qcamvc.patched.diff
[01:15] <crimsun> patch -p1 < qcamvc.patched.diff
[01:16] <cliebow> patch -p1  <qcamvc.patched.diff
[01:16] <cliebow> whoops
[01:16] <cliebow> patched
[01:16] <cliebow> 8~)
[01:16] <crimsun> yep, now just export CC=gcc-3.4 && make modules
[01:17] <cliebow> wow
[01:18] <cliebow> and pop the .o files somewhere?
[01:19] <crimsun> ''sudo make install''
[01:20] <crimsun> then you'll probably want to ''sudo depmod -e''
[01:20] <cliebow> then modprobe?
[01:20] <crimsun> ''sudo modprobe qcamvc_usb''
[01:21] <cliebow> that went asd well
[01:21] <crimsun> now check if you have /dev/video*
[01:21] <rtcm> BenC: just installed 2.6.15-9-385 and my sis performance problem continues
[01:21] <rtcm> *386
[01:23] <cliebow> hmm.doesnt look good..maybe rmmod all the crap i put in and start fromscratch
[01:23] <crimsun> cliebow: yeah, modprobe -r all those (including qcamvc*)
[01:25] <cliebow> still no /dev/video..but i think ill reboot and start fresh
[01:26] <cliebow> still no /dev/video*..but i think ill reboot and start fresh
[01:27] <cliebow> Hey: i got /dev/video0
[01:28] <crimsun> excellent.
[01:28] <crimsun> it should register such in dmesg, too.
[01:29] <cliebow> modprobe will insert the module at boot when i reboot
[01:29] <cliebow> ?
[01:31] <cliebow> ok killing this sucker..bbl!!crimsun thanks for taking the time...owe you a cold one or two if there is another ubz..heh prob be in Guatemala or somewhere
[01:31] <rtcm> BenC: just added the comment on the bug
[01:32] <crimsun> cliebow: it should, yes.
[01:46] <cliebow> crimsun: i did get gqcam to start..i got a bright green square..canorama still refuses torecognize the dev/video0..but i got a start!
[01:47] <crimsun> cliebow: might need to check the permissions on /dev/video0 then.
[01:47] <cliebow> k
[01:47] <cliebow> 660
[01:47] <crimsun> user:group ?
[01:48] <crimsun> (root:video ?)
[01:48] <cliebow> yes root:video
[01:48] <crimsun> hmm, that should be fine then.
[01:54] <cliebow> i got a fuzzt image in gnomemeeting so i am on a rll
[01:58] <crimsun> :)
[01:58] <crimsun> unfortunately I'm not very much assistance beyond this
[01:58] <cliebow> no so fuzzy
[01:59] <cliebow> you did a hell of a job..most pleased to meet you..
[02:00] <crimsun> ditto.
[02:00] <cliebow> putting supper on the table...g night!!
[02:01] <crimsun> 'night
[04:06] <cjb> Evenin'.
[04:09] <cjb> airlied++ # "if your needs are better served by the flagship X product, XFree86, far be it from us to allow the door to hit you in the ass on the way out.."
[06:17] <fabbione> morning
[06:19] <crimsun> morning
[12:02] <pappan> BenC: hi
[12:38] <CataEnry> hi all
[03:02] <fabbione> BenC: -> ubuntu-meeting
[03:02] <BenC> doh!
[03:02] <fabbione> :)
[03:53] <zul> heylo
[04:06] <pappan> how do i get the ubuntu kernel source from my linux machine
[04:13] <jbailey> pappan: We'll tell you if you promise to keep your client from cycling every 15 minutes all night again... =)
[04:15] <pappan> jbailey: really i am trying to fix it
[04:16] <pappan> but not sure what is causing the problem
[04:16] <jbailey> pappan: Well, alright then.  With all Ubuntu apps, apt-get source will give you the source to what made the pacakge, and apt-get build-dep will install all the dependancies you need to build it.
[04:17] <jbailey> pappan: If you install 'devscripts', then you can just go into the directory, twiddle it a bit and then type "debuild" and have it build.
[04:17] <jbailey> That's generically true for all Ubuntu and Debian packages.
[04:17] <jbailey> pappan: Your firewall it probably causing your connection to timeout after 15m of inactivity.
[04:17] <jbailey> You might be able ot set your IRC client or something to do keepalives.
[04:19] <pappan> jbailey: ty
[04:19] <pappan> i will try to fix it
[04:20] <pappan> bye catch you all later
[04:49] <zul> how ironic...
[04:51] <zul> jbailey: heh...last night i was playing soccer and i was howling in pain
[04:53] <jbailey> zul: Still upset over losing the hockey game?
[05:00] <zul> jbailey: no i got bagged with the soccer ball
[05:05] <BenC> ouch
[05:08] <zul> yeah..
[05:08] <zul> i didnt feel like doing much after that
[05:08] <zul> but i did score a goal off that rebound
[05:11] <jbailey> *lol*
[05:14] <BenC> zul: it's all about sacrifice :)
[05:15] <jbailey> "I'd give my left nut to score a OUCH!"
[05:16] <zul> BenC: my wife wasnt impressed we are trying to start a family and she was concerned for once ;0
[05:18] <jbailey> zul: Tell her you're just culling the weak ones. =)
[05:28] <zul> lol
[05:28] <BenC> zul: lol
[05:29] <BenC> my wife doesn't get concerned anymore since we have 3 kids
[05:29] <zul> at least im not pissing blood yet
[05:29] <BenC> she says things like "I hope they get chopped off", which tends to scare me
[05:29] <jbailey> BenC: vasectomies halt male pattern baldness.
[05:29] <BenC> "Just leave the important part"
[05:29] <BenC> jbailey: no shit??!?!
[05:30] <jbailey> BenC: Yeah, lowers testosterone production usually enough to stop it.
[05:30] <jbailey> It won't reverse it at all, though.
[05:30] <BenC> hmm...need to look into that then
[05:33] <zul> hair club for men works as well
[05:34] <zul> my wife is suppose to have an appointment today to get her ovaries checked today as well.. fun fun i hear
[05:45] <cjb`> How old were you both when you had your first kid, OOI?
[05:47] <zul> cjb`: still working on number one
[05:47] <cjb`> Ah.  :)
[05:53] <zul> im 30 btw
[05:57] <cjb`> 'kay.
[05:58] <cjb`> I'm 24, my wife's 26, and she wants lots of kids and thinks she needs to start soon.  ;-)
[05:58] <fabbione> cjb`: and she is right to start soon
[05:58] <cjb`> Well, not that soon; it's obvious that I'm too young, and she's too still-in-grad-school.  But I think she certainly wants to have started by the time she's 30.
[05:58] <cjb`> fabbione: You think so?
[05:58] <fabbione> yes
[05:59] <CataEnry> hi all :)
[05:59] <cjb`> I guess I'm holding her back by being younger.  Oh well.
[05:59] <fabbione> cjb`: well the woman should have her first baby no later than 30
[05:59] <fabbione> that's what they suggest at least
[06:00] <fabbione> specially if you plan to have a soccer team
[06:00] <cjb`> Yes, I agree with that.
[06:00] <cjb`> But I'd rather it be closer to 30 such that I'm at least on the other side of 25.  :)
[06:01] <BenC> cjb: I was 24 when I had my first
[06:02] <BenC> and I'm glad I wasn't any older
[06:02] <BenC> you don't want to be 50 with a kid graduating :)
[06:02] <BenC> of course, I'll be 49 when my youngest is graduating
[06:03] <cjb`> Gosh.
[06:03] <cjb`> I just turned 24.  I wonder what has to happen before I feel vaguely ready to have kids.
[06:04] <BenC> you have to balance the years before kids with the years after...you don't want to be so old you can't enjoy the time after your kids grow up
[06:04] <cjb`> OOI, did you have a stable job/feel like you were able to be financially responsible for a kid yet?
[06:04] <BenC> not really
[06:04] <BenC> having a kid forced me into responsibility (mentally)
[06:04] <cjb`> Ah.
[06:05] <BenC> usually kids tend to make you ready, rather then you being ready for kids :)
[06:06] <cjb`> *nod* Okay.  Thanks!
[06:07] <jbailey> fabbione: There's no real reason to make sure you're before 30.  You'll have a lower chance of getting past the first three months, but not dramatically.
[06:07] <BenC> it's a personal decision everyone has to make for themsevles
[06:07] <BenC> no time is right for everybody
[06:07] <fabbione> jbailey: that's not the only reason
[06:07] <cjb`> It looks like I have another two years or so, unless a kid comes along unplanned, 'cause we're waiting for my wife to finish grad school.  But it sounds like I'd be weird for feeling like it's a "good" time to have kids and that I was ready for the responsibility, which is reassuring.  :)
[06:08] <jbailey> fabbione: Health wise, doctors here say it doesn't really matter now.  I can't remember what the numbers are, but a large percentage of women in N. America now have their first child after 30.
[06:08] <jbailey> cjb`: From what I've heard, 9 months is a good amout of warm up time to psych yourself up for it. =)
[06:08] <fabbione> jbailey: the thing that the doc told us is that the woman body reacts better in recovering after the prgnacy
[06:08] <jbailey> Well, somewhere between 6 and 8 depending on when you figure it out. =)
[06:09] <cjb`> jbailey: That's fine if you only want to have one.  If you're aiming for four, starting at 30 means you're getting towards the end of your fertility after a few.
[06:09] <BenC> cjb: yeah, when my wife and I decided to have our first, I was thought "great, more reason to have sex", and didn't really think through the consequences, but I don't regret it :)
[06:09] <cjb`> Hah.
[06:09] <fabbione> ahah
[06:09] <jbailey> fabbione: Right.  You want to be generally good health to recover well.
[06:09] <BenC> actually I thought, "hell yeah, no birth control, and I don't have to pull out"
[06:09] <fabbione> jbailey: exactly..
[06:09] <cjb`> BenC: How many are you planning on?
[06:09] <jbailey> *four*?
[06:09] <cjb`> !
[06:10] <BenC> 3 is our limit, which makes us done
[06:10] <jbailey> I think if we have two kids, I'm heading for the doctors office. =)
[06:10] <cjb`> *sigh* My wife grew up with three siblings, and thinks it was great and her kids should have so many siblings too.
[06:10] <BenC> grandparents want us to try for a fourth to see if we can get a girl, but they'll have to look elsewhere
[06:10] <BenC> I only had one brother (twin)
[06:11] <BenC> my dad has a single sister, and my mom was with 3 siblings (same with my wife)
[06:11] <jbailey> I have one sister, 5 yrs older.
[06:11] <BenC> so single kid was out of the question
[06:11] <cjb`> Yeah, one brother for me too.  He's six years older, we aren't so close.
[06:11] <BenC> later fabio
[06:12] <BenC> my brohter and I weren't so close either, even being twins
[06:12] <cjb`> So I can see her point about having siblings closer to your age around, at least.
[06:12] <cjb`> Interesting.  I don't think I've ever known any twins.
[06:12] <BenC> we had different friends, and did nothing but argue :)
[06:13] <BenC> even now he's a bastard and I don't really talk to him often except around holidays
[06:13] <cjb`> Heh.
[06:13] <cjb`> Is he a programmer too?
[06:13] <BenC> somewhat, he's more into online presence and marketing
[06:14] <BenC> he's the manager type I always scoff :)
[06:14] <cjb`> :)
[06:40] <zul> BenC: ditto...everything but the twin part
[06:41] <cjb`> I like my brother, we're just very different.  (For example, I'm married at 24, and he's never with the same girlfriend for too long at 29.  :)
[06:42] <zul> my brother is evil
[06:43] <cjb`> Wow, evil's a pretty strong word.  Is he a spammer?  :)
[06:47] <zul> no just general evilness
[07:06] <zul> *sigh* i have to go to the hospital later..
[07:15] <cjb`> Weird.  Trying to use nvidia under LRM under 2.6.15-9 gives "libc_wrapper error: passed invalid FILE handle to xf86fprintf" when I start X.
[07:30] <BenC> does it not work, or just an error?
[07:42] <cjb`> That's a fatal error, X dies.
[07:43] <cjb`> It could be the userspace glx stuff, though, I'm not saying it's the kernel.  Weird that the error doesn't show up on Google.
[08:24] <mkrufky> BenC: I saw you pulled from Linus' tree two hours ago.... you JUST missed a alsa/oss collision bugfix patch for saa7134 (hybrid v4l/dvb) ....
[08:24] <mkrufky> you can either pull it next time, or pull from either Mauro's tree Linus' tree again
[08:24] <BenC> I'll be pulling again
[08:24] <mkrufky> ok cool... thanx
[09:49] <zul> hey guys
[10:04] <BenC> yo zul
[10:04] <BenC> "There is only zul"
[10:04] <zul> except the french guy who takes my nick when im not here
[10:05] <zul> bastards..
[10:05] <AcidPils> hi
[10:05] <AcidPils> BenC: i found a little typo in the readme for the acx module 
[10:06] <BenC> major "wrong command" typo, or minor "speling" typo?
[10:06] <AcidPils> wrong command
[10:06] <AcidPils> fw_version
[10:06] <BenC> ah, do a bug report for me please
[10:06] <AcidPils> k
[10:07] <BenC> on linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15
[10:07] <BenC> infinity probably wont be back till next year, so I don't want to forget about it
[10:07] <BenC> actually, just linux-restricted-modules is fine
[10:08] <AcidPils> hmm.. i had a soloution, but i cant remember the right command :o
[10:11] <AcidPils> BenC: 21423
[10:15] <BenC> firmware_ver
[10:16] <BenC> modinfo acx will show you
[10:16] <AcidPils> ah, nice command, didn't know that till now
[10:17] <AcidPils> *bugreport update*
[10:18] <BenC> already did it :)
[10:18] <AcidPils> me too ;) 
[10:18] <AcidPils> *undo*
[10:19] <BenC> need to test latest build
[10:32] <AcidPils> if he will come back?
[10:35] <zul> hey lamont__ 
[10:58] <TheMuso> Merry Christmas to you. Hope you have an enjoyable Christmas where ever
[10:58] <TheMuso> you are.
[11:00] <AcidPils> christmas... hmmm... need some gifts
[11:00] <lamont__> howdy zul