[02:57] <pitti> moin
[02:57] <janimo> hey pitti
[02:58] <slomo_> hi pitti 
[02:58] <ogra> moin
[02:58] <mvo> hi
[02:58] <JaneW> surprising few updates were sent to me....
[02:59] <JaneW> I hope this mean we have a full house today, not just that everyone is AWOL :)
[02:59] <JaneW> or even AWL
[02:59] <doko> hi
[03:00] <pitti> whatever ogra just did, /me does the same
[03:00] <seb128> hi
[03:00] <pitti> hey seg
[03:00] <pitti> seb, too
[03:00] <seb128> hey martin :)
[03:00] <ogra> pitti, flight2 ate 2 days of my week ... so most was CD related stuff here ...
[03:01] <ogra> that refkects in my report ...
[03:01] <ogra> *reflects
[03:01] <JaneW> ok 14:00UTC on my clock
[03:01] <pitti> ogra: I meant  'glres'
[03:01] <pitti> hi infinity 
[03:01] <pitti> hey daniels 
[03:01] <Kamion> hi all
[03:01] <daniels> g'evening
[03:01] <ogra> pitti, yes, i can glre very well :)
[03:01] <Riddell> hi
[03:01] <JaneW> where's BenC?
[03:01] <pitti> ogra: shame on you
[03:01] <ogra> heh
[03:02] <JaneW> hi ben
[03:02] <pitti> JaneW: summoning powers?
[03:02] <BenC> hello
[03:02] <Riddell> are we doing "next weeks" today?
[03:02] <JaneW> heh
[03:02] <JaneW> who else is missing
[03:02] <Kamion> JaneW: did Diziet send an update? although he only worked one day in the period
[03:03] <BenC> make sure I'm not first this week, I need a minute to type things up :)
[03:03] <JaneW> Riddell: yes planned activities for 2 weeks (if any) and then in 2 weeks we'll do progress for 2 weeks back...
[03:03] <Kamion> missing Keybuk, krstic, Lathiat
[03:03] <JaneW> Kamion: no, I have updates from Daniels and Mithrandir only
[03:03] <Kamion> ok, that's not a problem for this week I should think
[03:04] <daniels> i can do mine
[03:04] <JaneW> yes reminder that there is NO meeting next week - you can all rest :)
[03:04] <fabbione> should we start?
[03:04] <JaneW> yes
[03:04] <jbailey> Sure. =)
[03:04] <JaneW> daniels: go
[03:05] <daniels> this week: x11r7 rc4 updates, x11r7 final (wooooooooooooooo!), further fixification of xserver-xorg scripts
[03:05] <pappan> yep
[03:05] <daniels> friday: x11r7 final updates
[03:05] <Kamion> I'm going to assume Keybuk's on leave, but no record of it
[03:05] <daniels> x-roadmap: almost at x11r7; scripts looking in decent shape now
[03:05] <daniels> blocked: none
[03:05] <JaneW> thanks
[03:06] <JaneW> no huge issues with X?
[03:06] <pitti> still the ati breakage
[03:06] <ogra> and trident (i owe daniels a debug session here)
[03:06] <daniels> JaneW: we're seeing some minor breakage on trident (who uses it anyway), and modern ati chips on powerpc
[03:06] <mvo> dri does not work on my r350
[03:06] <daniels> JaneW: the solution for the latter should be relatively easy to come by
[03:07] <mvo> not too important though
[03:07] <ogra> and for the first i havent yet tested the laes driver :)
[03:07] <mvo> given that it never even remotely worked before :)
[03:07] <ogra> *latest
[03:07] <JaneW> ok great, dholbach you ready?
[03:07] <dholbach> inclusion-of-docs: did another update, fixed a bug
[03:07] <dholbach> this week: bug triage, bug day, motu mentoring, random bug fixes, random packages updates, a11y team
[03:07] <dholbach> next weeks: merges, gnome 2.13.4, bug triage, motu mentoring
[03:08] <JaneW> ok, doko
[03:08] <doko> this week:
[03:08] <doko> - openoffice.org: support work, fixing firefox-dev, preparation and upload of 2.0.1 packages
[03:08] <doko> - python-roadmap: delayed for next week
[03:08] <doko> next week:
[03:08] <doko> - openoffice.org: powerpc build
[03:08] <doko> - python-roadmap: python-central update
[03:08] <doko> status:
[03:08] <doko> - toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch (still blocked)
[03:08] <doko> - toolchain-dapper+1: blocked by preparation of wanna-build and buildd infrastructure
[03:08] <doko> - openoffice-gnome: not started, martink will work on testsuite packaging and gnome integration testing (i.e. file selector in January)
[03:09] <doko> - openoffice-help: now approved, martink will work on it in January
[03:09] <doko> - openoffice-spellchecking: not started
[03:09] <doko> - native-java-gcj: infrastructure is ready, packaging of -gcj binary packages not started
[03:09] <doko> java-roadmap: mostly done, pending are eclipse updates and the native-java-gcj support
[03:09] <JaneW> dholbach: sorry to regress is mjg59 going to come and represent power-management-configuration?
[03:09] <JaneW> doko: is the amd block serious?
[03:09] <pitti> doko: does that mean OO.o builds against ffox-dev now?
[03:10] <ogra> JaneW, it works fine as is currently 
[03:10] <dholbach> JaneW: i didn't ask him to appear at this meeting
[03:10] <ogra> JaneW, power-management that is
[03:10] <JaneW> dholbach: if he is handling to goal it would be nice to get updates, even e-mail would be fine
[03:10] <dholbach> JaneW: ok
[03:10] <doko> JaneW: it's on it's way, jbailey did have other priorities this week
[03:10] <JaneW> kamion: sorry I kind of took over jump in and grab the reigns if you like ;)
[03:10] <doko> pitti: yes
[03:11] <pitti> THAAANK YOU
[03:11] <doko> pitti: please test it ;-)
[03:11] <JaneW> fabbione: next
[03:11] <Kamion> no problem, I was just being seb's archive bitch for a moment
[03:11] <fabbione> * server-candy: md5sum client is basically ready. Blocked on admins (rt: #723). Other stuff will be started soon.
[03:11] <fabbione> * ubuntu-cluster: no progress this week.
[03:11] <fabbione> * probe-for-root-filesystem: no progress this week.
[03:11] <fabbione> * boot-from-usb: blocked by probe-for-root-filesystem.
[03:11] <fabbione> * merges: zlib - still pending libc6-i386-dev, one minor pending but it's no hurry at all.
[03:11] <fabbione> * last week: md5sum client and server-candy work, kernel-security.
[03:11] <fabbione> * next (working) week: kernel security, more on server-candy. scheduled to change the default kernel install on -server.
[03:12] <JaneW> fabbione: the kernel testing today - all ok?
[03:13] <Kamion> fabbione: we'll need to talk about the default kernel for -server stuff, may not be entirely trivial
[03:13] <fabbione> JaneW: yes, new kernels are in, but we have a regression on the previous security update that's not fixed yet
[03:13] <fabbione> Kamion: yes. hence next (working) week
[03:13] <JaneW> hi mjg59, thanks for coming, if you have a power-management-configuration update, that would be great...
[03:13] <fabbione> JaneW: the situation is complex and not trivial to fix, but we are working hard on it.
[03:13] <JaneW> infinity: you ready?
[03:13] <fabbione> JaneW: expect delay due to that
[03:13] <JaneW> fabbione: ok, understood
[03:14] <infinity> JaneW: Sure.
[03:14] <JaneW> fabbione: let me know if it gets serious please
[03:14] <fabbione> JaneW: yup
[03:14] <infinity> Last week: Much mucking with kernel stuff, preparation of security updates, and lots and lots of buildd fixes and administration.
[03:14] <mjg59> JaneW: A brief one, yup
[03:14] <JaneW> mjg59: yup that's what we are after :)
[03:15] <infinity> Friday: Finish up and publish security updates, fix up and upload *-docs updates to breezy, and VAC my heart out.
[03:15] <JaneW> iwj: is on leave right?
[03:15] <Kamion> JaneW: yes
[03:15] <JaneW> k
[03:15] <JaneW> jbailey: 
[03:15] <Kamion> since Friday
[03:15] <jbailey> * ToolchainRoadmap:  Sorry about lag.  Found another bug which held it up, and then meetings, my X crashing (fixed now), and general other work distracted me.  I'm not off all of next week, so it'll be sitting in the NEW queue when the archive admins get back.
[03:15] <jbailey> * ToolchainRoadmapNg: After the glibc biarch, will start to evaluate glibc needs. Want to start collecting feedback on dropping pre-i686 per  outstanding issues 
[03:15] <jbailey> * General:
[03:15] <jbailey> - I have klibc fixes for ia64, hppa, and for Tollef's squishfs.  It's chasing kernel headers bugs at the moment, might be today or tomorrow and then initrd-tools can go away forever.
[03:16] <jbailey> - I really will finish punting most of my bugs this week.  Maybe right after this meeting so that it's done.
[03:16] <jbailey> - Thanks to all in general for being really helpful when I come to you for help with support requests.
[03:16] <Kamion> jbailey: I can do low-level archive admin during elmo's holiday, although I'll be entirely offline for at least a few days between Christmas and New Year
[03:17] <JaneW> kamion: you're up.
[03:17] <jbailey> Kamion: Cool.  It won't be time-urgnet, just nice to not have it wait until January.  Thanks.
[03:17] <Kamion> otherwise, sounds good, thanks
[03:17] <Kamion> misc: I only worked for two days this week, so not much done. Had locales meeting with pitti/doko/Mithrandir/jbailey, which went well.
[03:17] <Kamion> cd-bootloader: Implemented expert mode toggle-switch for the install CD; enabled CD timeout again for the install CD following feedback on -devel; fiddled with video mode handling following bug feedback.
[03:17] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-bootloader: Rearranged grub-installer a bit to allow espresso-grub to be written sanely; built a test version which seems to more or less work. Poked a bit at the Guadalinex code until I can at least run it and start doing incremental improvement on it. Now working on the user/password stage which has actual user interaction and stuff.
[03:17] <Kamion> blocked: nothing much, for a change
[03:17] <Kamion> January I hope to really dig in and just plough through ue-*.
[03:18] <Kamion> maybe hide in a cave for a week or something
[03:18] <doko> Kamion: when is the next flight scheduled?
[03:18] <Kamion> doko: not scheduled currently
[03:18] <JaneW> end of Jan?
[03:18] <Kamion> my guess is second week of Jan if possible
[03:18] <JaneW> ok, wow
[03:18] <Kamion> JaneW: that's pretty late
[03:18] <pitti> around feature freeze would be nice
[03:18] <Kamion> feature freeze is ages away
[03:18] <pitti> for this flight we should do a full scale test
[03:19] <pitti> oh, I though 19 Jan?
[03:19] <ogra> around UVF rather ...
[03:19] <pitti> ah, that was UVF
[03:19] <mvo> uvf
[03:19] <pitti> sorry
[03:19] <Kamion> full scale testing is welcome at any time, if anything *not* right next to a Flight CD release
[03:19] <Kamion> feel free to take Flight CD 2 and do full-scale test runs on it
[03:19] <daniels> i'm going to be breaking X early Jan, probably
[03:19] <infinity> Kamion: : While I'm at the in-laws' place, I have lots of computers here I wouldn't normally test on, so I'll boot some CDs here.
[03:20] <daniels> when I dump the new xserver-xorg scriptage and x{,server,org}-common -> x11-common merge
[03:20] <Kamion> OK, Keybuk is apparently not around; Jane, can you check with him by e-mail? I think he's been on leave but can't find a notice of that in any of the usual places.
[03:20] <Kamion> daniels: noted
[03:21] <Kamion> Mithrandir?
[03:21] <JaneW> Mithrandir:
[03:21] <JaneW> - openoffice-amd64: no progress
[03:21] <JaneW> - live-cd-performance: been experimenting with squashfs as well as squashfs-lzma, which a) gives us either 5% extra space or 18% extra space (that's 25 and 84MB on the CD. I haven't tested booting with squashfs-lzma, but just squashfs cuts nearly off the time from the live cd is booted until when I/O is silenced. Squashfs requires unionfs, since it's a read-only FS and therefore won't work on ppc dueto unionfs bugs.
[03:21] <JaneW> - one-true-path: no progress
[03:21] <JaneW> - simplified-livecd: usplash problem debugged, language/keyboard selection still needs to change, but that is blocked on the locales changes (pitti). Apart from that, seems to work well.
[03:21] <JaneW> - media-integrity-check: no progress, but the rest should be trivial.
[03:21] <JaneW> - network-authentication: no progress, one interested community member who is going to give me some background information on what changes are needed.
[03:21] <JaneW> - livecd-squashfs: accidentially implemented in casper, needs some changes in the build system and we need to decide on squashfs or squashfs-lzma.
[03:21] <JaneW> - blocked on: locales changes, decision on squashfs-lzma, squashfs or continue with cloop.
[03:21] <JaneW> - plans for next week: more vacation. 
[03:21] <jbailey> "accidentally implemented"?
[03:21] <JaneW> yes that was a bit alarming...
[03:21] <JaneW> not sure what it mean exactly
[03:21] <pitti> JaneW: the locales block is done
[03:22] <Kamion> I think it turned out to be substantially easier than he'd thought
[03:22] <JaneW> pitti: great, thanks
[03:22] <Kamion> either that or he intended to make it non-default and accidentally made it the default
[03:22] <Kamion> either way, new casper is still definitely work-in-progress
[03:22] <infinity> Nah, it's not the default, since the livefs isn't squash yet on the buildds. :)
[03:22] <infinity> But it's a simple switch we can flick to make it go, once the kinks are worked out.
[03:22] <infinity> Which is cool.
[03:23] <Kamion> good, good
[03:23] <Kamion> all the code checked in there?
[03:23] <infinity> Not as yet, since he's still evaluating the best settings to build it, etc.
[03:23] <Kamion> ok
[03:23] <Kamion> mvo?
[03:23] <mvo> Did:
[03:23] <mvo> - dbus 0.60 transition (package + dependencies) [DapperDesktopPlan] 
[03:23] <mvo> - prepared new libnotify/notify-daemon, tested
[03:23] <mvo>   send bugs upstream  [DapperDesktopPlan] 
[03:23] <mvo> - gnome-app-install work, implemented filter on unsupported/proprietary, fixed bugs, worked around problem with pymozembed, rewrote the desktop/icon extraction code [ThirdPartyPackages] 
[03:23] <mvo> - backported unattended-upgrades (and python-apt) to breezy to get testing feedback from real users
[03:23] <mvo> [AutomaticUpdates] 
[03:23] <mvo> Will do:
[03:23] <mvo> - christmas 
[03:23] <mvo> - do the libnotify/notify-daemon transition (api/abi change) 
[03:23] <mvo> - more work on ThirdPartyPackages spec
[03:24] <Kamion> good work on the dbus transition work, that seems to have been very quick and fairly smooth
[03:24] <daniels> yes, thanks for that
[03:24] <mvo> thanks :) yes, nothing major broken, only some hal problems
[03:24] <jbailey> And ephy. ;)
[03:24] <ogra> even you didnt announce it to u-d-a for lwn fame :)
[03:25] <mvo> jbailey: ephy is a mozilla problem :)
[03:25] <dholbach> jbailey: should be fixed now
[03:25] <ogra> yeah
[03:25] <ogra> yu deserve it :)
[03:25] <azeem> 2
[03:25] <dholbach> mvo: we love you nevertheless :)
[03:25] <azeem> argh
[03:26] <ogra> my turn ? 
[03:26] <Kamion> ogra?
[03:26] <ogra> * thin-client-sound: waiting for mdz to approve on return
[03:26] <ogra> * thin-client-local-devices: no progress, meeting with sbalneav still pending
[03:26] <ogra> * thin-client-memory-usage: some more script changes locally done and tested
[03:26] <ogra> * thin-client-faster-startup: spec awaiting approval, 
[03:26] <ogra> * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no progress yet, waiting for sabdfl images :)
[03:26] <ogra> * general: most time spent for flight2 testing, worked on ltsp fixes and tests (partially related to the specs), edubuntu-artwork for breezy bugfix (done locally, waiting for infinity feedback on the general change), dhcpd upgrade issue discussed solution pending.
[03:26] <ogra> * next week: mainly christmas, will do some further ltsp stuff (mem usage and faster startup related) alongside...
[03:27] <seb128> jbailey: I fixed epiphany
[03:27] <ogra> somehow i find many testers for edubuntu flight CDs, but nobody seems willing to test *before* a flight is released :/
[03:27] <Kamion> Do try to get some relaxation in over Christmas, everyone. :)
[03:27] <Kamion> ogra: a problem I'm well familiar with :-/
[03:27] <Kamion> pitti?
[03:27] <pitti> this week: locales restructuring, caught up with the insane bug mail backlog, libsysfs transition, various bug fixes, xine and kernel security updates, sickness
[03:27] <pitti> still today/tomorrow morning: poke infinity some more to really get PHP security update done before Christmas, fix grave bugs in cups' conffile handling
[03:27] <pitti> no progress on specs this week; PLAN for first week of January: continue with gstreamer-audio-backend now that we have gst 0.10
[03:27] <JaneW> pitti: you getting better yet?
[03:28] <pitti> JaneW: yes, full speed again today :)
[03:28] <JaneW> cool
[03:28] <Riddell> pitti: dare I ask about main inclusion reviews?
[03:28] <pitti> I had no time for those yet
[03:28] <pitti> avahi is crying, I know
[03:28] <ogra> pitti, so approve gobby, i'll upload 0.3.0 today ;)
[03:28] <pitti> but it'll take me half a day to properly review it
[03:28] <Riddell> fair enough
[03:29] <pitti> anyway, if you really need avahi soon, I only do a short review and do a source code review later
[03:29] <ogra> its a edubuntu target for dapper, whats wrong with it ? 
[03:29] <pitti> what about it?
[03:29] <pitti> ogra: it has ugly bugs, and never saw an audit before
[03:29] <pitti> young network code, and such
[03:29] <dholbach> we will surely test gobby at the sprint ;)
[03:29] <pitti> security is probably a non-issue
[03:29] <ogra> most of the bugs should e fixed for 0.3.0 ...
[03:29] <infinity> gobby is pretty vile, as far as visible bugs, that doesn't bode well for the unseen bugs.
[03:29] <jbailey> I'd love to have a conversation about gobby outside of this meeting and possible look at writing a tool that actually meets our needs instead of almost meeting them but not quite.
[03:29] <pitti> but my experiences with gobby were pretty badf
[03:30] <jbailey> Anyone interested for right after?
[03:30] <Riddell> KDE's mateedit has an undo function :)
[03:30] <pitti> jbailey: vim-obby :)
[03:30] <ogra> pitti, i cant give that to my teachers :)
[03:30] <pitti> heh, sure
[03:30] <ogra> but apart from that ++
[03:31] <pitti> ok, so what about avahi?
[03:31] <pitti> split review and fast-pace, or does it have time until the full review?
[03:31] <mvo> jbailey: I'm in
[03:31] <ogra> jbailey, why reinvent the wheel, lets rather fix gobby if you find bugs
[03:31] <Riddell> pitti: how can you split the review?
[03:31] <pitti> Riddell: research security history and QA/bugs first, do source code audit later
[03:32] <seb128> pitti: having avahi soon would be nice
[03:32] <pitti> it's planning how to remove blocks for other people
[03:32] <Riddell> pitti: the sooner it's in main the sooner I can guide the KDE developers into the stuff needed for dapper (like easy on/off)
[03:32] <ogra> yes, Riddell is up, isnt he ? 
[03:32] <pitti> ok
[03:32] <seb128> pitti: that would allow to have some user comments on the apps using it
[03:32] <pitti> good, I'll do it today
[03:32] <Kamion> Riddell: go ahead
[03:32] <Riddell> this week: simpleify-kde getting defaults all sorted, kubuntu-system tools fixing bugs, kubuntu-package-manager discussing ideas and testing/releasing new version of adept, playing with building kubuntu CDs not very successfully, kubuntu-docs packaging
[03:33] <Riddell> next weeks: further bug fixing, try to get KDE working with current dapper (CUPS, xkb, gstreamer0.10)
[03:33] <seb128> eh
[03:33] <Kamion> Riddell: what's up with Kubuntu CD building?
[03:33] <Riddell> Kamion: I'm not sure, I run it and it seems to do fine but nothing comes out at the end
[03:33] <Kamion> Riddell: you mean locally, or on little?
[03:34] <Riddell> Kamion: on little
[03:34] <Kamion> Riddell: look in cdimage/log/kubuntu-*
[03:34] <Kamion> it won't log much to stdout because my scripts are JUST THAT GOOD *ahem*
[03:34] <Kamion> s/much/anything/
[03:35] <Riddell> I had DEBUG on
[03:35] <ogra> so you have a lot of debugging stuff in cdimage/log/kubuntu-* ;)
[03:35] <Kamion> oh, they'll be in cdimage/scratch/kubuntu/debian-cd/ in that case
[03:35] <ogra> or this :)
[03:35] <Kamion> or somewhere under scratch, anyway
[03:35] <Riddell> Kamion: so they don't go to the same place if DEBUG is on?
[03:36] <Kamion> no, DEBUG turns off publishing to the www tree
[03:36] <Riddell> aah, problem solved :)
[03:36] <Kamion> seb128: ok, next
[03:36] <seb128> dapper-desktop-plan: new version of the session dialog patch, will be uploaded this week
[03:36] <seb128> video-playback: gst-plugins-base0.10/gst-plugins-good0.10/gst-plugins-ugly0.10 uploaded, I've played with rhythmbox/totem gst0.10 and will upload them tomorrow
[03:36] <seb128> misc: dbus transition, some catchup of the bugs backlog
[03:36] <seb128> .
[03:36] <seb128> next: catching with bugzilla, GNOME 2.13.4, dapper-desktop-plan
[03:37] <Kamion> sounds good. has the menus-revisited stuff pretty much settled down now, or still more feedback to deal with?
[03:38] <seb128> not sure about the xsane menu item, the rest should be settled
[03:38] <ogra> apart from "Ubuntu is under attack.." you mean ? 
[03:39] <Kamion> I tend not to read threads that enormous
[03:39] <ogra> its not worth it ... i read about 60% of it ...
[03:39] <seb128> don't read the troll
[03:39] <Kamion> seb128: ok, thanks
[03:39] <Kamion> sivang: around?
[03:40] <JaneW> I'll mail him
[03:40] <Kamion> and that's everyone
[03:40] <JaneW> mjg59: ready?
[03:40] <JaneW> and BenC still needs to go...
[03:40] <Kamion> ah, not quite everyone then
[03:40] <BenC> * Work this week: Lots more kernel bugs
[03:40] <BenC> * testing-server-hardware: not started
[03:40] <BenC> * preventing-hardware-support-regressions: BLOCKED: Auto build infrastructure fairly complete (still working out some special cases), but still no dependable place to build.
[03:40] <BenC> * ubuntu-server-kernel: Amd64 and i386 Done. PPC64 will be next kernel upload, and then this is complete.
[03:40] <BenC> * Work for next two weeks: testing-server-hardware, continue bug triage for dapper.
[03:41] <BenC> did I go too soon?
[03:41] <Kamion> BenC: no, that's fine, thanks
[03:41] <JaneW> heh
[03:41] <Kamion> BenC: some seeding bits for server kernels still need to be sorted out; I'll have a look
[03:41] <Kamion> insane amounts of anastacia noise right now
[03:41] <BenC> ok
[03:41] <mjg59> JaneW: Yup
[03:42] <BenC> I'm not sure what is involved in making the kernel CD, so just let me know what you need from me
[03:42] <BenC> s/kernel/server/
[03:42] <JaneW> mjg59: shoot
[03:43] <mjg59> Power-management-config: KDE has an existing solution, though it's less than ideal. gnome-power-manager is entirely usable, though it requires an extra dbus security policy that I've been discussing with upstream
[03:43] <Kamion> I'm not even sure *I'm* sure, it's a complicated hack done at the last minute for breezy; hoping to sort it out more for dapper
[03:43] <JaneW> mjg59: think you are on track to make dapper?
[03:43] <mjg59> Once that's in place, shifting g-p-m to desktop sorts us
[03:43] <ogra> mjg59, g-p-m is really cool now :) 
[03:44] <mjg59> JaneW: Yes, the code that needs writing is very limited
[03:44] <JaneW> mjg59: great, sounds good
[03:44] <mjg59> Ideally KDE would change to use HAL as a backend rather than klaptopdaemon, but I'm less sure how practical that is
[03:44] <JaneW> ok anything else?
[03:45] <ogra> seb128, mjg59, what do we do with battstat-applet ? 
[03:45] <santa_claus> happy christmas to everybody!
[03:45] <ogra> will it stay around  ? 
[03:45] <fabbione> ahah
[03:45] <Kamion> I have one quick piece of other business
[03:45] <JaneW> hohoho
[03:45] <ogra> lol
[03:45] <seb128> merry christmas!
[03:45] <fabbione> have fun guys
[03:45] <mvo> are we open for other topics now?
[03:45] <ogra> merry christmas :)
[03:45] <Kamion> SteveA would like to do the Bugzilla-to-Malone switch soon, and has been talking about this week
[03:45] <Riddell> mjg59: I'll discuss it with people, I'm sure KDE would like to see that happen too but klaptopdaemon is hardly maintained so I doubt anyone will have time for it
[03:45] <seb128> and happy new year :)
[03:45] <Kamion> (though may be a bit late for that now, don't know the exact schedule)
[03:46] <daniels> i assume all currently open bugs would be imported?
[03:46] <Kamion> Yes, all open and closed bugs
[03:46] <daniels> bonus
[03:46] <fabbione> Kamion: i think SteveA has just been bitten by elmo's vac
[03:46] <daniels> fabbione: well, obviously Karl doesn't get Christmas then
[03:46] <pitti> what about the bug numbers? or redirections from bz?
[03:46] <Kamion> I understand that most of the initial bug contact stuff is sorted
[03:46] <Kamion> pitti: that I don't know, but I'm hoping they'll turn into cunning Malone watches or something
[03:47] <mjg59> Riddell: Ok. Can we discuss this elsewhere? I can run over what's needed.
[03:47] <Kamion> the reason I'm bringing this up here is to encourage people to get their concerns to SteveA and the Malone team sooner rather than later
[03:47] <Kamion> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/BugzillaImportProcess documents the process they intend to follow in doing the conversion
[03:47] <Kamion> feedback to SteveA on that process is welcome
[03:48] <mvo> probably not a good time to raise this, but I was wondering if irc is the right medium for the development status updates. this pasting of text feels like we could also do it (more conveniently) by mail (to my at least)
[03:48] <Kamion> doing this during distro team downtime is probably a good thing, but if it has to be the new year, so be it
[03:49] <daniels> mvo: despite the fact that it's 0148 and I'm falling asleep over here, I think it's a good idea.  being able to feed back to people is useful.
[03:49] <Kamion> mvo: my personal feeling is that IRC's quite good at letting people have quick question/answer sessions relatively cheaply
[03:49] <JaneW> mvo: I am happy to receive e-mails, but I am sure I would need to nag for them, and there would be no oppportunity for discussion
[03:49] <jbailey> mvo: I feel more connected that I did to the team before, and I like being able to interact with folks live.
[03:49] <fabbione> mvo: live > *
[03:49] <Kamion> a lot of them are the sorts of things that people wouldn't bother to ask by e-mail
[03:49] <jbailey> mvo: I find the wash of email a bit tedious as it is.
[03:49] <JaneW> I agree
[03:50] <mvo> ok, that's a pretty clear picture :)
[03:50] <Kamion> and it does ensure that everyone actually reads most of what other people are doing, which I think shouldn't be underestimated
[03:50] <Kamion> we have the activity reports, which I know I read, but I'm sure not everyone does
[03:50] <Kamion> and they're rather ... verbose
[03:51] <Kamion> Any other business?
[03:51] <fabbione> nope
[03:52] <Kamion> I'd pretty much like to echo what Mark said in his mail to allhands@canonical; great work in 2005, we get to feel proud that people love us, lots to do in 2006, and GET SOME REST OVER CHRISTMAS. :-)
[03:52] <JaneW> heh
[03:52] <fabbione> hsh
[03:53] <ogra> Kamion, how should we, many of us will get new gadgets and hardware over christmas :)
[03:53] <JaneW> have a fabulous week next week, and enjoy the snow up north, we have a 30deg Christmas forecast here...
[03:53] <ogra> hehe
[03:53] <ogra> bah
[03:53] <Kamion> ogra: that might count as rest depending on your mindset. :-)
[03:53] <fabbione> JaneW: have fun
[03:53] <fabbione> cya guys
[03:53] <ogra> Kamion, *giggle*
[03:53] <fabbione> thanks
[03:54] <pitti> thanks to everybody
[03:54] <daniels> i think getting rest now, before I pass out on the couch and end up with a stuffed back, is more important than over christmas.
[03:54] <pitti> enjoy the holidays
[03:54] <Kamion> right, thanks all, enjoy your holidays and see you in 2006!
[03:54] <mvo> have fun everyone :)
[03:54] <pitti> seb128: give us a hug :)
[03:54] <sivang> Kamion: now I am
[03:55] <Kamion> sivang: ok, go ahead quickly
[03:55] <sivang> Kamion: started working on implementation. now coding some utility classes that are needed by HUB. that's all :)
[03:56] <Kamion> short and sweet :)
[03:56] <sivang> marry Xmas
[03:57] <ogra> another hugday ? 
[03:57] <sivang> btw, are all canonical people going to be on vacation until 1 Jan ?
[03:57] <pitti> sivang: pretty much, yes
[03:58] <mvo> not all, I need to work 2days 
[03:58] <Kamion> sivang: Canonical will officially not be operating between 25 Dec and 1 Jan; we're all obliged to reserve enough holiday time to cover that period
[03:58] <Kamion> I think a couple of people have negotiated special exceptions to that
[03:59] <BenC> happy holidays everyone
[03:59] <dholbach> yeah, to you all too
[03:59] <ogra> enjoy :)
[04:00] <sivang> Kamion: ah ok, just want to make sure someone stays with me here when I'm all Xmas'less in .il :-)
[04:00] <Kamion> Hanukkah's about the same time as Christmas this year, isn't it?
[04:00] <sivang> Kamion: you don't get vacation for it :-(
[04:00] <sivang> only kids do, in schools
[04:00] <sivang> kgardens etc..
[04:01] <JaneW> UPDATE THE LP SPECS PLEASE!
[04:01] <Kamion> sivang: ah
[04:01] <sivang> anywya, gotta go, Marry Xmas all again! may all your wishes for the new year come true.
[04:02] <pitti> seb128: thanks :)
[04:03] <seb128> np ;)
[04:03] <JaneW> pitti: you rock :)
[04:03] <pitti> santa_claus will give you new kernels now, with shiny wrapping
[04:03] <pappan> sivang: ty same to you
[04:03] <pitti> thanks to our fabulous Fabio
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