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thierryogra, ajmitch : could you review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1265 ... it's a dependency foir a package in universe candidates...01:53
ajmitchthierry: have you read the library packaging guide?02:01
chillywillyhi02:01
ajmitchthe package is missing some important bits (shlibs)02:02
thierryajmitch : where?02:02
ajmitchgoogle for debian library packaging guide02:02
ajmitchhi chillywilly02:02
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ajmitchthe shlibs bit is needed for the proper library dependencies in debian02:02
ajmitchso that someone compiling with libfxscintilla1.6-dev will get the right dependency on ibfxscintilla1.602:03
ajmitchyou often don't need the version in the -dev package name either02:03
ajmitchthat guide will tell you a bit more about it02:03
ajmitchthierry: another important thing is that you're not installing the library at all :)02:04
ajmitchbuild log, etc, are up at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=126502:05
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jsgotangcolater ajmitch02:11
jsgotangcohave a good lunch :)02:11
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KyralDoes postinst get called during dpkg-reconfigure?02:34
crimsunyes.02:34
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KyralI just got called the most interesting thing03:22
Kyral"motu-slave"03:22
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bmontyKyral: motu-slave...who called you that?05:04
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=== bmonty is going to go pass out....bye!
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lamontlibwarped0-dev Depends: mpich, which doesn't exist in dapper (package changed names)...05:22
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | How To Track Merge Status -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | Grab your merge here: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new | sign up for ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com now!
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by \sh at Wed Dec 14 00:06:37 2005
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minghualaunchpad's email interface is pretty cool10:04
zakameheya minghua :D10:05
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zakamerocking indeed10:05
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minghuahi zakame10:06
minghuait has been a quiet day here10:06
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jsgotangcoyeah10:08
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siretartmorning10:42
zakameevening10:44
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dholbachhello motu folks! :)11:00
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Pupeno[OT]  Is Linux on Dapper compiled for real-time scheduling ?11:24
\shmoins11:27
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siretartPupeno: there is no real time scheduling for linux at all, because linux is no realtime operating system11:51
siretarthi \sh11:51
\shmoins siretart11:51
Pupenosiretart: ok, s/realtime/whatever was the name of the scheduler added on 2.6.13 that provided low lattency/11:52
siretartPupeno: so you are talking about the low latency patches..11:55
Pupenosiretart: kinda, AFAIK, since 2.6.13 they are no longer patches but different schedulers that you can choose at compile time (well, at make config time).11:55
siretartPupeno: I think the default 'desktop' flavor of the kernel will have lowlatency enabled in the config. but I cannot check this, as I don't have a dapper system on fron of me11:56
siretartPupeno: so you could probably have a look at the build logs of the kernels11:56
siretartthe complete kernel config is dumped on stdout, afair11:56
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Gloubiboulgahi12:01
JohnnyMasthey Gloubiboulga how is you package going ?12:02
Gloubiboulgahi JohnnyMast12:02
GloubiboulgaHe's waiting for a MOTU on REVU :)12:03
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JohnnyMasti hope your package gets uploaded12:03
Gloubiboulgawhat about yours JohnnyMast ?12:03
JohnnyMastmy 2nd isnt checked yet12:03
JohnnyMastmy first will be aproofed today/tomorrow12:04
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GloubiboulgaJohnnyMast, the first one is ttb, right ?12:09
JohnnyMastyes12:09
azeemlifeless: opensync got NEW'd?12:11
lifelessazeem: yeah, bounced12:12
azeemoh12:12
azeemreason?12:12
lifelessazeem: I have to resubmit after checking *every* source file12:12
azeemwtf12:12
lifelessbastards have both GPL and LGPL licenced files12:12
lifelessI don't know what other surprises are lurking.12:13
azeemare we supposed to split up the packages along their licensing?12:13
azeemor just document?12:13
azeemthe latter seems rather ugh unless there are other licenses involved as well12:13
lifelessjust document12:14
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lifelessthe 'formats' are GPL12:14
lifelessthe 'engine' is LGPL12:14
lifelessfor some rather unguessable reason12:14
azeemmaybe upstream didn't realize?12:15
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JohnnyMasthow do you mean ... to pack ?12:17
lifelessazeem: /COPYING is LGPL12:17
lifelessazeem: not sure how they can *not* realise12:17
JohnnyMastStevenK ??12:18
StevenKJohnnyMast: Huh?12:18
JohnnyMast<JohnnyMast> how do you mean ... to pack ?12:18
StevenKI don't understand your question.12:19
JohnnyMastyou asked something12:19
JohnnyMast* StevenK wonders if he can bug someone to upload a large package.12:19
azeemlifeless: well, yeah.  I initially thought maybe those utils are GPL and have contributed by somebody else who just copy&pasted license boilerplate12:20
azeem+been12:20
lifelessazeem: nah, they are key components12:20
lifelessits useless without the formats12:20
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dholbachajmitch, slomo_, tseng: new beagle crack :-)12:21
azeemlifeless: sounds like an upstream bug then12:21
lifelessazeem: ftp-master indicated doco was sufficient12:21
azeemnot one I care about too much, but maybe they should, depending on their motivation to use the LGPL12:22
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lifelessyah12:22
lifelessI'll mail the list12:22
tsengdholbach: yes well12:23
tsengdholbach: we have to go through debian again, it needs repackaging12:24
dholbachgood luck with that! :)12:24
tsengthanks12:24
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StevenKdholbach: Can I bug you to upload a package? :-)12:43
dholbachif it's not 80Mb or something, sure ;)12:43
dholbachthe dsl line at my parents place is soooooo boringly slow12:43
StevenKdholbach: It's 26ish12:44
dholbachmb?12:45
StevenKYup.12:45
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dholbachyeah, i can do it, i'll upload it to another host over lunch12:45
dholbachwhich one is it?12:46
StevenKOkay, great. Grab xemacs21-packages 2005.12.08-1, and I have a 2Kb diff for it.12:46
dholbachcool12:46
dholbachStevenK: do you have the link somewhere?12:48
StevenKTo the diff? Sure. http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/xemacs21-packages_2005.12.08-1ubuntu1.debdiff12:50
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dholbachah ok, don't need no full upload *phew*12:51
StevenKNo. The source is already in the archive. :-)12:52
StevenKJust a smallish diff and a dsc12:52
dholbachyeah, looks good12:53
dholbachStevenK: done, "Thanks for your contribution to Ubuntu." :-)12:55
StevenKdholbach: Thanks!12:57
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zakameevening all03:31
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JohnnyMastgood afternoon ppl05:58
jpatrickJohnnyMast: evening05:59
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JohnnyMastslomo ?06:20
slomoJohnnyMast: hi :)06:20
JohnnyMastyou have been talking to Moritz about the ttb package right ?06:21
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JohnnyMastslomo he made his vote already06:24
siretartn'evening06:24
slomoyes... i'll take a look later tonight when you give me the url now :)06:24
JohnnyMastslomo, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=127506:25
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slomosiretart: i've finally started the media pages *sigh* i hope i finish them later tonight or tomorrow... i've to visit a friend in ~30 minutes...06:26
siretartslomo: ah, ok. have fun!06:26
JohnnyMastslomo are you also german ?06:26
siretartslomo: have you heared about new upstream of lame? they seem to have renamed liblame to libmp3lame006:26
siretartand are providing the old package06:26
slomosiretart: huh? url please :)06:29
slomosiretart: but i don't like the change... i've uploaded a NEW package dependending on liblame-dev only a few hours ago ;)06:29
slomoJohnnyMast: yes06:29
siretartslomo: http://lame.sourceforge.net/download/src/lame3.89beta.tar.gz seems to be the latest release, from aug 0506:29
siretartsorry, sep 0506:29
JohnnyMasti see the link now06:29
slomosiretart: "Latest LAME release : v3.96.1 July 2004"06:29
siretartthats what you see on the main page06:30
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siretartnow proceed to the download page on sf.net06:30
slomosiretart: 3.89beta is centuries old06:30
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slomosiretart: "lame3.89beta.tar.gz     14-Sep-2001"06:31
slomohmm06:31
siretartmom06:31
siretartthat wasn't the right one06:31
siretartlame-3.97b2.tar.gz06:31
siretartthats the version I'm talking about06:31
siretartI downloaded it from sf.net06:31
siretarthttp://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lame/lame-3.97b2.tar.gz for a direct link06:32
slomooh ok... but it's a beta, let's wait for the real thing06:32
siretartI'm a bit concerned that they seem to have renamed the lib, I fear they broke ABI compatibility, so we would have to rebuild all reverse depends06:32
slomoi guess the rename was only for cosmetical reasons :) but we have to rebuild everything anyway because of the new name06:33
slomothey haven't broken ABI and API since 3.91 iirc06:34
siretartthey still provide the old package name06:34
slomo"package name"?06:35
siretartwait06:35
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siretartProvides: liblame006:35
slomooh lol06:36
slomoliblame0 was the wrong name anyway...06:36
siretartI don't want you to miss your rendevouz ;)06:36
slomoit contains "/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0"06:37
siretartah, interesting..06:37
siretartok, I'll continue merging then06:37
slomoso probably nothing to worry about... but feel free to do the needed changes and rebuild everything against the new one :)06:37
siretartI'll svn-inject it in our repo then, okay?06:37
slomohm no... i thought of doing the changes to our 3.96.1 package06:38
slomowe definitely don't want a lame beta... sometimes they produce weird mp3s :)06:38
siretartoh06:39
siretartthen good that I asked you in advance ;)06:39
slomobut before that we should take a look at ABI compatibility06:39
siretart(I didn't want to upload it anyway that quickly)06:39
slomohehe06:39
siretartwell, anyway, I have more important stuff to do anyway06:39
slomohm, i'll write it on my todo list and leave now :)06:40
slomobbl06:40
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siretartslomo: have fun *wave*06:40
JohnnyMast:)06:41
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thesaltydogis malone now for all bugs, or still just for universe?07:59
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Kyralhmmm08:03
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KyralI wonder how hard it would be to add an option to upload to Facebook08:05
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sistpotyhi folks09:20
jpatricklo sistpoty09:21
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siretarthi sistpoty09:37
sistpotyhuhu siretart09:38
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rikaievening, all.09:57
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JohnnyMastevening rikai09:59
sistpotysiretart: can I use dcut to undo a bogus upload?09:59
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siretartsistpoty: on revu not, on ubuntu archive, I think so10:00
sistpotysiretart: on ubuntu archive... I need to undo vice upload :(10:00
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siretartsistpoty: (problem from kathrin): is it possible that an 1:n relationship in an ER diagram has attributes? (or is this possible just for n:m relationships)?10:01
sistpotyhm... *think*10:02
dholbachsiretart: i think it's possible, although i'd always design it in a different way :)10:03
siretartdholbach: me too, I'd don't allow it, but her boss thinks that is a good idea (I don't!)10:03
dholbachtime to take away his crack pipe ;)10:04
sistpotysiretart: possible... at least this was the solution for one sp2 exercise10:04
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siretartsistpoty: ok, so this is 'just' a problem when mapping the ER to tables, right?10:04
dholbachyeah, that's when the actual work starts ;)10:05
sistpotysiretart: shouldn't be actually10:05
sistpotysiretart: iirc it would be mapped as if it were part of the 1-relation10:05
siretartnot a hard problem, but in 1:n relationships, you don't introduce extra tables, (as opposed to n:m relationships)10:06
siretartsistpoty: right. ok thank you10:06
sistpotysiretart: np... but I'm not quite clear about the difference between attributed relation and extra attribute of entity right now10:07
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sistpotyI guess it's just a matter of viewpoint :)10:07
sistpotydamn... /me doesn't find an example for dcut :(10:08
siretartsistpoty: < silvester> thank you very much :)10:10
sistpotysiretart: np silvester ;)10:10
dholbachsistpoty: http://ftp.up.ac.za/debian/UploadQueue/README10:10
siretarthttp://ftp.up.ac.za/debian/UploadQueue/README10:11
siretartoh, dholbach was faster10:11
dholbach:-D10:11
siretart;)10:11
dholbachYAY! I win a prize!10:11
dholbach:-p10:11
sistpotydholbach: thx10:11
dholbachit was mentioned in the manpage10:12
sistpotygna... too late. katie was fastest :/10:12
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sistpotythx Loiosh10:13
dholbachsistpoty: what did you do?10:13
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sistpotydholbach: resolving build-dependency libxpm4-dev to libxpm-dev... but libxpm4-dev is a virtual package from libxaw6/7-dev, so s.th. completely different10:14
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sistpotystrange enough that it did build10:14
Moxiethink anyone could help me out?10:14
sistpotymaybe 3 hours of sleep just aren't enough10:14
sistpotywhat's your problem, Moxie?10:15
Moxieim trying to figure out the yaboot10:15
Moxiei can install both mac tiger and ubuntu....10:15
siretartwell, just upload a fixed package afterwards10:15
siretartwith a bit of luck, it will get faster than the buildds can fetch them10:15
Moxiethen when i get to the yaboot screen when i first turn my ibook on, it wont load into mac10:15
Moxiei can type x then nothing happens10:16
Moxiebut it will load into ubuntu10:16
Moxiei cannot figure it out for the life of me10:16
sistpotyMoxie: sorry, I don't have the slightest clue bout yaboot10:16
Moxiethanks anyways10:16
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sistpotysiretart: I already cleaned my /tmp where the "fix" resided10:16
siretart:(10:17
sistpotyat least this will have a funny changelog then... as in "lalala... the last upload never happened"10:18
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dholbachthe motureviewers team now has an emblem :)10:21
LoioshWoo!10:22
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=== dholbach has 4 emblems now on his page: https://launchpad.net/people/dholbach :)
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Hieronymusdholbach: now you still need a homepage10:23
Hieronymusdholbach: the name sounds as if the team reviews .debdiffs, and you're supposed to assing patches with .debdiffs to them. Is that so? If it is, please put that in its homepage10:25
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dholbachbut yeah, that's one of their purposes10:25
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dholbachthe motu thing is a bit hard10:28
dholbachHieronymus: done10:30
jpatrickSomeone care to look at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1277 ?10:34
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jpatrickdholbach: I think I've made a small error with the debhelper verison10:43
jpatrickshould be (>= 5.0.0)10:44
dholbachis it strictly required?10:44
jpatrickNot sure...10:44
jpatrickbut compat's 510:45
dholbachi shouldn't think so10:45
dholbachif we divert from debian, we should do the necessary stuff, but anyways, i'm generall fine with it10:45
jpatrickshould I leave it as it is?10:46
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dholbachi approved it10:46
dholbachbut i'd be happy if somebody else could sponsor the upload10:46
elektranoxwhat's the right name of the section for games?10:47
dholbachbecause the connection at my parents places it boringly slow10:47
dholbachgames?10:47
JohnnyMastfrom the nitpicky department:10:47
JohnnyMasthahahahahaahaha10:47
JohnnyMast:p10:47
elektranoxin synaptic there are this sections10:47
elektranoxand the packages are sorted to them10:47
dholbachjpatrick: i made a note10:47
dholbachelektranox: yeah, that's set in debian/control10:47
elektranoxyes10:48
elektranoxbut what's the section name for the games10:48
dholbachgames?10:48
dholbachi suppose it's 'games'10:48
elektranoxSynaptic shows me only the german Section titles :P10:48
jpatrickdholbach: I think I'll poke Riddell10:48
dholbachjpatrick: when i'm back at my place, i'll sponsor the biggest crack you have, but just not here ;)10:49
dholbachRiddell: if you upload lmms, i checked it's definitely the upstream source and the changes to the debian/ dir make sense as well10:49
sistpotydholbach, jpatrick: I'll try building it and will upload it then10:51
Hieronymuselektranox: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections10:52
Hieronymus"The Debian archive maintainers provide the authoritative list of subsections. At present, they are: admin, base, comm, contrib, devel, doc, editors, electronics, embedded, games, gnome, graphics, hamradio, interpreters, kde, libs, libdevel, mail, math, misc, net, news, non-US, non-free, oldlibs, otherosfs, perl, python, science, shells, sound, tex, text, utils, web, x11."10:52
jpatricksistpoty: cheers10:53
elektranoxok10:53
elektranoxI've got a second question:10:54
elektranoxHow are the man pages created? Can I copy <projectname.gz> to /usr/share/man/man1/ and it will be there?10:54
JohnnyMastbetter use docbook2x templates10:55
JohnnyMastand edit them10:55
dholbachyeah10:55
dholbachyou get them via dh_make10:55
JohnnyMastelektranox let me give you a template of my package10:55
elektranoxok10:55
JohnnyMasthttp://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ttb-0512220710/ttb-0.9.4/debian/ttb.1.docbook10:55
JohnnyMastdont forget to add docbook2x to your build deps10:56
JohnnyMastand in your rules file at the build section add10:56
JohnnyMastdocbook2x-man debian/<docbook file name>10:56
JohnnyMastule be fine :)10:57
TheMusoMerry Christmas to you. Hope you have an enjoyable Christmas where ever10:58
TheMusoyou are.10:58
elektranoxis any special versionen needed, or can I leave this part?10:58
JohnnyMastnope just depend on docbook2x10:58
JohnnyMastthats the package name dockbook2x10:58
JohnnyMastits not like python where you have python and python2.4 for example .... dockbook2x will be okey10:59
dholbachgood night everybody10:59
JohnnyMastTheMuso mary christmass buddy10:59
JohnnyMastdholbach sleep well10:59
crimsun_night daniel10:59
JohnnyMastelektranox do you use pbuilder already ?11:00
crimsun_dholbach: thanks for #19668 :)11:00
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sistpotygn8 dholbach11:01
elektranoxyes11:01
elektranoxI use11:01
elektranoxit11:01
dholbachcrimsun_: yeah - i guess that made some people quite happy11:01
JohnnyMastelektranox very good11:01
dholbachsleep tight guys11:02
dholbach*wave*11:02
crimsun_dholbach: myself in particular, since gnometris is practically the only game I can play on this laptop that lacks hardware 3D accel ;)11:02
JohnnyMastgn8 daniel11:02
JohnnyMast2l811:02
crimsun_eh he knows.11:02
JohnnyMastcrimsun_ who ?11:03
crimsun_daniel11:04
JohnnyMastoooh :)11:05
JohnnyMastelektranox if you need any help and no ppl are responding contact me @ ravecoolr@hotmail.com (msn)11:05
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Kyralhmm11:26
Kyralwhat transition is going on that removes VLC?11:26
crimsun_I haven't transitioned it to the new dbus.11:27
Kyralah11:27
Kyralty11:27
crimsun_it's on my list of TODOs for tonight.11:27
Kyralthis is why I keep Xine as a backup :D11:27
Kyralthanks for lettin' me know crimsun_11:28
crimsun_meh, I'll just kick it now so people don't grumble too much ;)11:28
Kyrallol11:28
Kyralshould I stop my dist upghrade them :P11:28
crimsun_not necessarily11:28
crimsun_it's not _that_ crucial ;)11:29
Kyralwell I'm lazy so I won't want to reinstall VLC ;P11:29
KyralI'll update later on11:29
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crimsun_Blah, I'll just revert the b-d to mozilla-dev because firefox still ftbfs on amd64.11:40
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sistpotyping desrt11:55
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