[01:53] <thierry> ogra, ajmitch : could you review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1265 ... it's a dependency foir a package in universe candidates...
[02:01] <ajmitch> thierry: have you read the library packaging guide?
[02:01] <chillywilly> hi
[02:02] <ajmitch> the package is missing some important bits (shlibs)
[02:02] <thierry> ajmitch : where?
[02:02] <ajmitch> google for debian library packaging guide
[02:02] <ajmitch> hi chillywilly
[02:02] <ajmitch> the shlibs bit is needed for the proper library dependencies in debian
[02:03] <ajmitch> so that someone compiling with libfxscintilla1.6-dev will get the right dependency on ibfxscintilla1.6
[02:03] <ajmitch> you often don't need the version in the -dev package name either
[02:03] <ajmitch> that guide will tell you a bit more about it
[02:04] <ajmitch> thierry: another important thing is that you're not installing the library at all :)
[02:05] <ajmitch> build log, etc, are up at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1265
[02:11] <jsgotangco> later ajmitch
[02:11] <jsgotangco> have a good lunch :)
[02:34] <Kyral> Does postinst get called during dpkg-reconfigure?
[02:34] <crimsun> yes.
[03:22] <Kyral> I just got called the most interesting thing
[03:22] <Kyral> "motu-slave"
[05:04] <bmonty> Kyral: motu-slave...who called you that?
[05:22] <lamont> libwarped0-dev Depends: mpich, which doesn't exist in dapper (package changed names)...
[10:04] <minghua> launchpad's email interface is pretty cool
[10:05] <zakame> heya minghua :D
[10:05] <zakame> rocking indeed
[10:06] <minghua> hi zakame
[10:06] <minghua> it has been a quiet day here
[10:08] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:42] <siretart> morning
[10:44] <zakame> evening
[11:00] <dholbach> hello motu folks! :)
[11:24] <Pupeno> [OT]  Is Linux on Dapper compiled for real-time scheduling ?
[11:27] <\sh> moins
[11:51] <siretart> Pupeno: there is no real time scheduling for linux at all, because linux is no realtime operating system
[11:51] <siretart> hi \sh
[11:51] <\sh> moins siretart
[11:52] <Pupeno> siretart: ok, s/realtime/whatever was the name of the scheduler added on 2.6.13 that provided low lattency/
[11:55] <siretart> Pupeno: so you are talking about the low latency patches..
[11:55] <Pupeno> siretart: kinda, AFAIK, since 2.6.13 they are no longer patches but different schedulers that you can choose at compile time (well, at make config time).
[11:56] <siretart> Pupeno: I think the default 'desktop' flavor of the kernel will have lowlatency enabled in the config. but I cannot check this, as I don't have a dapper system on fron of me
[11:56] <siretart> Pupeno: so you could probably have a look at the build logs of the kernels
[11:56] <siretart> the complete kernel config is dumped on stdout, afair
[12:01] <Gloubiboulga> hi
[12:02] <JohnnyMast> hey Gloubiboulga how is you package going ?
[12:02] <Gloubiboulga> hi JohnnyMast
[12:03] <Gloubiboulga> He's waiting for a MOTU on REVU :)
[12:03] <JohnnyMast> i hope your package gets uploaded
[12:03] <Gloubiboulga> what about yours JohnnyMast ?
[12:03] <JohnnyMast> my 2nd isnt checked yet
[12:04] <JohnnyMast> my first will be aproofed today/tomorrow
[12:09] <Gloubiboulga> JohnnyMast, the first one is ttb, right ?
[12:09] <JohnnyMast> yes
[12:11] <azeem> lifeless: opensync got NEW'd?
[12:12] <lifeless> azeem: yeah, bounced
[12:12] <azeem> oh
[12:12] <azeem> reason?
[12:12] <lifeless> azeem: I have to resubmit after checking *every* source file
[12:12] <azeem> wtf
[12:12] <lifeless> bastards have both GPL and LGPL licenced files
[12:13] <lifeless> I don't know what other surprises are lurking.
[12:13] <azeem> are we supposed to split up the packages along their licensing?
[12:13] <azeem> or just document?
[12:13] <azeem> the latter seems rather ugh unless there are other licenses involved as well
[12:14] <lifeless> just document
[12:14] <lifeless> the 'formats' are GPL
[12:14] <lifeless> the 'engine' is LGPL
[12:14] <lifeless> for some rather unguessable reason
[12:15] <azeem> maybe upstream didn't realize?
[12:17] <JohnnyMast> how do you mean ... to pack ?
[12:17] <lifeless> azeem: /COPYING is LGPL
[12:17] <lifeless> azeem: not sure how they can *not* realise
[12:18] <JohnnyMast> StevenK ??
[12:18] <StevenK> JohnnyMast: Huh?
 how do you mean ... to pack ?
[12:19] <StevenK> I don't understand your question.
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> you asked something
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> * StevenK wonders if he can bug someone to upload a large package.
[12:20] <azeem> lifeless: well, yeah.  I initially thought maybe those utils are GPL and have contributed by somebody else who just copy&pasted license boilerplate
[12:20] <azeem> +been
[12:20] <lifeless> azeem: nah, they are key components
[12:20] <lifeless> its useless without the formats
[12:21] <dholbach> ajmitch, slomo_, tseng: new beagle crack :-)
[12:21] <azeem> lifeless: sounds like an upstream bug then
[12:21] <lifeless> azeem: ftp-master indicated doco was sufficient
[12:22] <azeem> not one I care about too much, but maybe they should, depending on their motivation to use the LGPL
[12:22] <lifeless> yah
[12:22] <lifeless> I'll mail the list
[12:23] <tseng> dholbach: yes well
[12:24] <tseng> dholbach: we have to go through debian again, it needs repackaging
[12:24] <dholbach> good luck with that! :)
[12:24] <tseng> thanks
[12:43] <StevenK> dholbach: Can I bug you to upload a package? :-)
[12:43] <dholbach> if it's not 80Mb or something, sure ;)
[12:43] <dholbach> the dsl line at my parents place is soooooo boringly slow
[12:44] <StevenK> dholbach: It's 26ish
[12:45] <dholbach> mb?
[12:45] <StevenK> Yup.
[12:45] <dholbach> yeah, i can do it, i'll upload it to another host over lunch
[12:46] <dholbach> which one is it?
[12:46] <StevenK> Okay, great. Grab xemacs21-packages 2005.12.08-1, and I have a 2Kb diff for it.
[12:46] <dholbach> cool
[12:48] <dholbach> StevenK: do you have the link somewhere?
[12:50] <StevenK> To the diff? Sure. http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/xemacs21-packages_2005.12.08-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[12:51] <dholbach> ah ok, don't need no full upload *phew*
[12:52] <StevenK> No. The source is already in the archive. :-)
[12:52] <StevenK> Just a smallish diff and a dsc
[12:53] <dholbach> yeah, looks good
[12:55] <dholbach> StevenK: done, "Thanks for your contribution to Ubuntu." :-)
[12:57] <StevenK> dholbach: Thanks!
[03:31] <zakame> evening all
[05:58] <JohnnyMast> good afternoon ppl
[05:59] <jpatrick> JohnnyMast: evening
[06:20] <JohnnyMast> slomo ?
[06:20] <slomo> JohnnyMast: hi :)
[06:21] <JohnnyMast> you have been talking to Moritz about the ttb package right ?
[06:24] <JohnnyMast> slomo he made his vote already
[06:24] <siretart> n'evening
[06:24] <slomo> yes... i'll take a look later tonight when you give me the url now :)
[06:25] <JohnnyMast> slomo, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1275
[06:26] <slomo> siretart: i've finally started the media pages *sigh* i hope i finish them later tonight or tomorrow... i've to visit a friend in ~30 minutes...
[06:26] <siretart> slomo: ah, ok. have fun!
[06:26] <JohnnyMast> slomo are you also german ?
[06:26] <siretart> slomo: have you heared about new upstream of lame? they seem to have renamed liblame to libmp3lame0
[06:26] <siretart> and are providing the old package
[06:29] <slomo> siretart: huh? url please :)
[06:29] <slomo> siretart: but i don't like the change... i've uploaded a NEW package dependending on liblame-dev only a few hours ago ;)
[06:29] <slomo> JohnnyMast: yes
[06:29] <siretart> slomo: http://lame.sourceforge.net/download/src/lame3.89beta.tar.gz seems to be the latest release, from aug 05
[06:29] <siretart> sorry, sep 05
[06:29] <JohnnyMast> i see the link now
[06:29] <slomo> siretart: "Latest LAME release : v3.96.1 July 2004"
[06:30] <siretart> thats what you see on the main page
[06:30] <siretart> now proceed to the download page on sf.net
[06:30] <slomo> siretart: 3.89beta is centuries old
[06:31] <slomo> siretart: "lame3.89beta.tar.gz     14-Sep-2001"
[06:31] <slomo> hmm
[06:31] <siretart> mom
[06:31] <siretart> that wasn't the right one
[06:31] <siretart> lame-3.97b2.tar.gz
[06:31] <siretart> thats the version I'm talking about
[06:31] <siretart> I downloaded it from sf.net
[06:32] <siretart> http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lame/lame-3.97b2.tar.gz for a direct link
[06:32] <slomo> oh ok... but it's a beta, let's wait for the real thing
[06:32] <siretart> I'm a bit concerned that they seem to have renamed the lib, I fear they broke ABI compatibility, so we would have to rebuild all reverse depends
[06:33] <slomo> i guess the rename was only for cosmetical reasons :) but we have to rebuild everything anyway because of the new name
[06:34] <slomo> they haven't broken ABI and API since 3.91 iirc
[06:34] <siretart> they still provide the old package name
[06:35] <slomo> "package name"?
[06:35] <siretart> wait
[06:35] <siretart> Provides: liblame0
[06:36] <slomo> oh lol
[06:36] <slomo> liblame0 was the wrong name anyway...
[06:36] <siretart> I don't want you to miss your rendevouz ;)
[06:37] <slomo> it contains "/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0"
[06:37] <siretart> ah, interesting..
[06:37] <siretart> ok, I'll continue merging then
[06:37] <slomo> so probably nothing to worry about... but feel free to do the needed changes and rebuild everything against the new one :)
[06:37] <siretart> I'll svn-inject it in our repo then, okay?
[06:38] <slomo> hm no... i thought of doing the changes to our 3.96.1 package
[06:38] <slomo> we definitely don't want a lame beta... sometimes they produce weird mp3s :)
[06:39] <siretart> oh
[06:39] <siretart> then good that I asked you in advance ;)
[06:39] <slomo> but before that we should take a look at ABI compatibility
[06:39] <siretart> (I didn't want to upload it anyway that quickly)
[06:39] <slomo> hehe
[06:39] <siretart> well, anyway, I have more important stuff to do anyway
[06:40] <slomo> hm, i'll write it on my todo list and leave now :)
[06:40] <slomo> bbl
[06:40] <siretart> slomo: have fun *wave*
[06:41] <JohnnyMast> :)
[07:59] <thesaltydog> is malone now for all bugs, or still just for universe?
[08:03] <Kyral> hmmm
[08:05] <Kyral> I wonder how hard it would be to add an option to upload to Facebook
[09:20] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:21] <jpatrick> lo sistpoty
[09:37] <siretart> hi sistpoty
[09:38] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[09:57] <rikai> evening, all.
[09:59] <JohnnyMast> evening rikai
[09:59] <sistpoty> siretart: can I use dcut to undo a bogus upload?
[10:00] <siretart> sistpoty: on revu not, on ubuntu archive, I think so
[10:00] <sistpoty> siretart: on ubuntu archive... I need to undo vice upload :(
[10:01] <siretart> sistpoty: (problem from kathrin): is it possible that an 1:n relationship in an ER diagram has attributes? (or is this possible just for n:m relationships)?
[10:02] <sistpoty> hm... *think*
[10:03] <dholbach> siretart: i think it's possible, although i'd always design it in a different way :)
[10:03] <siretart> dholbach: me too, I'd don't allow it, but her boss thinks that is a good idea (I don't!)
[10:04] <dholbach> time to take away his crack pipe ;)
[10:04] <sistpoty> siretart: possible... at least this was the solution for one sp2 exercise
[10:04] <siretart> sistpoty: ok, so this is 'just' a problem when mapping the ER to tables, right?
[10:05] <dholbach> yeah, that's when the actual work starts ;)
[10:05] <sistpoty> siretart: shouldn't be actually
[10:05] <sistpoty> siretart: iirc it would be mapped as if it were part of the 1-relation
[10:06] <siretart> not a hard problem, but in 1:n relationships, you don't introduce extra tables, (as opposed to n:m relationships)
[10:06] <siretart> sistpoty: right. ok thank you
[10:07] <sistpoty> siretart: np... but I'm not quite clear about the difference between attributed relation and extra attribute of entity right now
[10:07] <sistpoty> I guess it's just a matter of viewpoint :)
[10:08] <sistpoty> damn... /me doesn't find an example for dcut :(
[10:10] <siretart> sistpoty: < silvester> thank you very much :)
[10:10] <sistpoty> siretart: np silvester ;)
[10:10] <dholbach> sistpoty: http://ftp.up.ac.za/debian/UploadQueue/README
[10:11] <siretart> http://ftp.up.ac.za/debian/UploadQueue/README
[10:11] <siretart> oh, dholbach was faster
[10:11] <dholbach> :-D
[10:11] <siretart> ;)
[10:11] <dholbach> YAY! I win a prize!
[10:11] <dholbach> :-p
[10:11] <sistpoty> dholbach: thx
[10:12] <dholbach> it was mentioned in the manpage
[10:12] <sistpoty> gna... too late. katie was fastest :/
[10:13] <sistpoty> thx Loiosh
[10:13] <dholbach> sistpoty: what did you do?
[10:14] <sistpoty> dholbach: resolving build-dependency libxpm4-dev to libxpm-dev... but libxpm4-dev is a virtual package from libxaw6/7-dev, so s.th. completely different
[10:14] <sistpoty> strange enough that it did build
[10:14] <Moxie> think anyone could help me out?
[10:14] <sistpoty> maybe 3 hours of sleep just aren't enough
[10:15] <sistpoty> what's your problem, Moxie?
[10:15] <Moxie> im trying to figure out the yaboot
[10:15] <Moxie> i can install both mac tiger and ubuntu....
[10:15] <siretart> well, just upload a fixed package afterwards
[10:15] <siretart> with a bit of luck, it will get faster than the buildds can fetch them
[10:15] <Moxie> then when i get to the yaboot screen when i first turn my ibook on, it wont load into mac
[10:16] <Moxie> i can type x then nothing happens
[10:16] <Moxie> but it will load into ubuntu
[10:16] <Moxie> i cannot figure it out for the life of me
[10:16] <sistpoty> Moxie: sorry, I don't have the slightest clue bout yaboot
[10:16] <Moxie> thanks anyways
[10:16] <sistpoty> siretart: I already cleaned my /tmp where the "fix" resided
[10:17] <siretart> :(
[10:18] <sistpoty> at least this will have a funny changelog then... as in "lalala... the last upload never happened"
[10:21] <dholbach> the motureviewers team now has an emblem :)
[10:22] <Loiosh> Woo!
[10:23] <Hieronymus> dholbach: now you still need a homepage
[10:25] <Hieronymus> dholbach: the name sounds as if the team reviews .debdiffs, and you're supposed to assing patches with .debdiffs to them. Is that so? If it is, please put that in its homepage
[10:25] <dholbach> but yeah, that's one of their purposes
[10:28] <dholbach> the motu thing is a bit hard
[10:30] <dholbach> Hieronymus: done
[10:34] <jpatrick> Someone care to look at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1277 ?
[10:43] <jpatrick> dholbach: I think I've made a small error with the debhelper verison
[10:44] <jpatrick> should be (>= 5.0.0)
[10:44] <dholbach> is it strictly required?
[10:44] <jpatrick> Not sure...
[10:45] <jpatrick> but compat's 5
[10:45] <dholbach> i shouldn't think so
[10:45] <dholbach> if we divert from debian, we should do the necessary stuff, but anyways, i'm generall fine with it
[10:46] <jpatrick> should I leave it as it is?
[10:46] <dholbach> i approved it
[10:46] <dholbach> but i'd be happy if somebody else could sponsor the upload
[10:47] <elektranox> what's the right name of the section for games?
[10:47] <dholbach> because the connection at my parents places it boringly slow
[10:47] <dholbach> games?
[10:47] <JohnnyMast> from the nitpicky department:
[10:47] <JohnnyMast> hahahahahaahaha
[10:47] <JohnnyMast> :p
[10:47] <elektranox> in synaptic there are this sections
[10:47] <elektranox> and the packages are sorted to them
[10:47] <dholbach> jpatrick: i made a note
[10:47] <dholbach> elektranox: yeah, that's set in debian/control
[10:48] <elektranox> yes
[10:48] <elektranox> but what's the section name for the games
[10:48] <dholbach> games?
[10:48] <dholbach> i suppose it's 'games'
[10:48] <elektranox> Synaptic shows me only the german Section titles :P
[10:48] <jpatrick> dholbach: I think I'll poke Riddell
[10:49] <dholbach> jpatrick: when i'm back at my place, i'll sponsor the biggest crack you have, but just not here ;)
[10:49] <dholbach> Riddell: if you upload lmms, i checked it's definitely the upstream source and the changes to the debian/ dir make sense as well
[10:51] <sistpoty> dholbach, jpatrick: I'll try building it and will upload it then
[10:52] <Hieronymus> elektranox: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[10:52] <Hieronymus> "The Debian archive maintainers provide the authoritative list of subsections. At present, they are: admin, base, comm, contrib, devel, doc, editors, electronics, embedded, games, gnome, graphics, hamradio, interpreters, kde, libs, libdevel, mail, math, misc, net, news, non-US, non-free, oldlibs, otherosfs, perl, python, science, shells, sound, tex, text, utils, web, x11."
[10:53] <jpatrick> sistpoty: cheers
[10:53] <elektranox> ok
[10:54] <elektranox> I've got a second question:
[10:54] <elektranox> How are the man pages created? Can I copy <projectname.gz> to /usr/share/man/man1/ and it will be there?
[10:55] <JohnnyMast> better use docbook2x templates
[10:55] <JohnnyMast> and edit them
[10:55] <dholbach> yeah
[10:55] <dholbach> you get them via dh_make
[10:55] <JohnnyMast> elektranox let me give you a template of my package
[10:55] <elektranox> ok
[10:55] <JohnnyMast> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ttb-0512220710/ttb-0.9.4/debian/ttb.1.docbook
[10:56] <JohnnyMast> dont forget to add docbook2x to your build deps
[10:56] <JohnnyMast> and in your rules file at the build section add
[10:56] <JohnnyMast> docbook2x-man debian/<docbook file name>
[10:57] <JohnnyMast> ule be fine :)
[10:58] <TheMuso> Merry Christmas to you. Hope you have an enjoyable Christmas where ever
[10:58] <TheMuso> you are.
[10:58] <elektranox> is any special versionen needed, or can I leave this part?
[10:58] <JohnnyMast> nope just depend on docbook2x
[10:58] <JohnnyMast> thats the package name dockbook2x
[10:59] <JohnnyMast> its not like python where you have python and python2.4 for example .... dockbook2x will be okey
[10:59] <dholbach> good night everybody
[10:59] <JohnnyMast> TheMuso mary christmass buddy
[10:59] <JohnnyMast> dholbach sleep well
[10:59] <crimsun_> night daniel
[11:00] <JohnnyMast> elektranox do you use pbuilder already ?
[11:00] <crimsun_> dholbach: thanks for #19668 :)
[11:01] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[11:01] <elektranox> yes
[11:01] <elektranox> I use
[11:01] <elektranox> it
[11:01] <dholbach> crimsun_: yeah - i guess that made some people quite happy
[11:01] <JohnnyMast> elektranox very good
[11:02] <dholbach> sleep tight guys
[11:02] <dholbach> *wave*
[11:02] <crimsun_> dholbach: myself in particular, since gnometris is practically the only game I can play on this laptop that lacks hardware 3D accel ;)
[11:02] <JohnnyMast> gn8 daniel
[11:02] <JohnnyMast> 2l8
[11:02] <crimsun_> eh he knows.
[11:03] <JohnnyMast> crimsun_ who ?
[11:04] <crimsun_> daniel
[11:05] <JohnnyMast> oooh :)
[11:05] <JohnnyMast> elektranox if you need any help and no ppl are responding contact me @ ravecoolr@hotmail.com (msn)
[11:26] <Kyral> hmm
[11:26] <Kyral> what transition is going on that removes VLC?
[11:27] <crimsun_> I haven't transitioned it to the new dbus.
[11:27] <Kyral> ah
[11:27] <Kyral> ty
[11:27] <crimsun_> it's on my list of TODOs for tonight.
[11:27] <Kyral> this is why I keep Xine as a backup :D
[11:28] <Kyral> thanks for lettin' me know crimsun_
[11:28] <crimsun_> meh, I'll just kick it now so people don't grumble too much ;)
[11:28] <Kyral> lol
[11:28] <Kyral> should I stop my dist upghrade them :P
[11:28] <crimsun_> not necessarily
[11:29] <crimsun_> it's not _that_ crucial ;)
[11:29] <Kyral> well I'm lazy so I won't want to reinstall VLC ;P
[11:29] <Kyral> I'll update later on
[11:40] <crimsun_> Blah, I'll just revert the b-d to mozilla-dev because firefox still ftbfs on amd64.
[11:55] <sistpoty> ping desrt