[10:49] <freeflying> Riddell-> ping
[10:50] <freeflying> Riddell-> today's dapper-install-i386.iso can not install to HDD
[11:37] <jpatrick> morning raphink 
[11:37] <raphink> morning jpatrick 
[11:38] <jpatrick> new upstream release for kcontrol-autostart :)
[11:56] <jpatrick> Riddell: ping - applied kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff to kcontrol-kdmtheme -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1281
[12:05] <Riddell> freeflying_: what's up with todays?
[12:05] <Riddell> jpatrick: cool
[12:05] <freeflying_> like yestoday's
[12:05] <Riddell> will try and find time for revu today
[12:06] <Riddell> freeflying_: yeah :(
[12:06] <freeflying_> Riddell: will you have a try of today's
[02:07] <jjesse> hmm installing dapper flight 2 cd thru qemu and it is taking forever at "perparing to configure oopenoffice.org2-kde"
[02:08] <jjesse> what exactly takes place at this step?
[02:16] <jjesse> should it take an hour+ to take care of this step?
[02:25] <apokryphos> jjesse: definitely not; sounds like a bug
[02:25] <Riddell> jjesse: no, although qemu is exceedingly slow at times
[02:28] <jjesse> i can get the live cd to work fine, was just trying on an install
[02:29] <jjesse> is there a way i can sync my flight2 iso to the daily build or something like that and try it again?
[02:30] <Riddell> yes, see KubuntuFiles for rsync
[02:30] <Riddell> but today's probably won't work, so don't
[02:32] <jjesse> ok
[02:33] <jjesse> should i create a bug on it or chalk it up to problems w/ qemu?
[02:33] <jjesse> tried on a breezy box and windows xp pro box and it hangs at configuring openoffice
[02:35] <Riddell> you could create a bug
[02:35] <Riddell> not sure if anyone would pay attention
[02:43] <jjesse> Riddell: did you have a chacne to look at what i have so far in releasenotes?
[02:45] <Riddell> jjesse: eek, no
[02:45] <Riddell> quite forgot
[02:45] <jjesse> Riddell: no worries, wiill get to desktopguide while im at in-laws
[02:46] <jjesse> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/releasenotes/C/releasenotes.xml
[02:47] <Riddell> "Kubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger"  that needs changed :)
[02:47] <jjesse> doh
[02:48] <jjesse> where do you see that?
[02:48] <Riddell> " Kubuntu also provieds security updates for 18 months after each releasea"  this is a long supported release so that should be changed to 3/5 years
[02:48] <Riddell> jjesse: in the html made from  make release-notes-web
[02:48] <jjesse> hmmm
[02:48] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder where that comes from
Kubuntu &kdistro-version; &kdistro-rev;</subtitle>
[02:49] <Riddell> that'll be it
[02:50] <Riddell> Pre-Upgrade section should be changed to use adept
[02:51] <Riddell> FireFox 1.5 isn't on the CD so it should be mentioned as a note at the bottom of the "On the Desktop" section
[02:52] <Riddell> note that as a long term supported release we're focusing on fixing things not new features
[02:52] <jjesse> even though i mention firefox 1.5 is a release canditate?
[02:52] <Riddell> otherwise looking lovely :)
[02:53] <Riddell> well firefox isn't a kubuntu feature so it shouldn't be given the same prominance in the text
[02:54] <jjesse> ok
[02:55] <jjesse> can i ask why when i build the web it goes to trunk/kbuntu/build/kubuntu/release-notes-web isntead of repos/trunk/build/ like the other docs go?
[02:57] <jjesse> also will there be a KubuntuDapperKnownProblems created like the KubuntuBreezyKnownProblems ?
[02:59] <Riddell> yes there will be
[02:59] <Riddell> feel free to start it off 
[03:00] <allee> jjesse: relnotes:  typo releasea
[03:08] <jjesse> Riddell: saw it myslef and already changed it
[03:09] <jjesse> Riddell: relnotes: another section i'm changing  "Installer Kubuntu" doesn't sound right, should be installing Kubuntu
[03:09] <Riddell> yes
[03:10] <allee> jjesse: IMHO s/!!!!/!/
[03:10] <allee> jjesse: wiki and bugzilla links  https: instead of http:
[03:10] <jjesse> ok
[03:12] <Riddell> allee: certificates?
[03:12] <allee> jjesse: Dapper Drake is first mention in Update section.  A bit too late?
[03:15] <allee> Riddell: the browswers 'complain' that the issuer is unknown
[03:15] <Riddell> allee: well it's self signed so they would :)
[03:16] <Riddell> there was a plan to include cacert in the trusted issuers but I don't know if I trust cacert that well
[03:17] <allee> Riddell: really.  Tried lauchpad.  Signed by Thwate.  Don't we trust then since sablf isn't the owner?
[03:17] <Riddell> exactly :)
[03:17] <allee> :)
[03:18] <jjesse> allee: i thought at one time there was going to be a change on going by the numbers instead of the name
[03:18] <jjesse> so 6.04 i think the # is mentioned more
[03:18] <Riddell> we are trying to move towards numbers more
[03:18] <Riddell> people loose track of names
[03:18] <allee> jjesse: just stay consistent (IMHO) either codename or version or both ;)
[03:18] <Riddell> although nobody understand the numbering system either
[03:22] <allee> jjesse: post-upgrade: there will be a new X11 + KDE.  So why don't we suggest to dist-upgrade on console and then /etc/init.d/kdm restart?
[03:22] <allee> pre-upgrade would be alt-ctrl-f1, login, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop ...
[03:23] <jjesse> not upgrade through adept?
[03:24] <freeflying_> Riddell: have you coreect th installing error ?
[03:25] <Riddell> freeflying_: it's not mine to correct, it needs someone to promote some packages to main I think, and the people who do that are on holiday
[03:25] <allee> jjesse: good question.  In the past some kde apps crashed on logout after kde.  So _I_ switched to konsole.  But I have not tried a breezy->dapper upgrade in failsafe + adept!
[03:26] <jjesse> allee: i've done an upgrade in adept in normal mode and just restarted X w/o problems
[03:26] <allee> after kde upgrade that is
[03:27] <freeflying_> Riddell:  How to solve the kde error of mine ?
[03:27] <allee> jjesse: how did you restart X11 the usual alt-ctrl-backspace  (sound like windoof alt-control-del.  may awake bad memories ;)
[03:28] <jjesse> allee: yeah through the alt-ctrl-backspace
[03:29] <Riddell> freeflying_: reinstall from flight-2 maybe?
[03:30] <allee> jjesse: I usually use init.d/kdm restart, so new kdm is running too.  But let's stick which what is in relnotes and try how it works with flight 3 
[03:30] <jjesse> allee: ok
[03:30] <jjesse> allee: did you get flight2 to run for qemu?
[03:31] <freeflying_> Riddell: fault of flight-2 have been fixed?
[03:32] <jjesse> afk meeting
[03:32] <allee> jjesse: didn't try.  First I want breezy, sarge, sid(for backports & tests & bug verification) flight2 runs without emulation here ;)
[03:33] <jjesse> allee: i didn't want to mess up my work laptop w/ dapper just in case and can't get past configuring openofficeorg-kde
[03:35] <allee> jjesse: I know what you mean ;)  I want into holidays, started the laptop and libcapi was broken -> no internet (no library in pkg ;)  Luckyly apt-proxy had the old version
[03:42] <allee> jjesse: changed apps section add a placeholder so adept/amarok/kopete are not forgoten later, mhmm IMHO listing just some highlights of KDE 3.5 visual guide can't hurt (just to make it more impressive, than just the reference to visual guide))
[04:58] <Riddell> jpatrick: kdepot patch on 1281 fails
[04:59] <Riddell> ok, I'm away for holidays
[05:03] <jpatrick> it's 1285
[08:28] <jjesse> burgwork do you know what time zone jerome is in?