[12:58] <klepas> moin
[06:14] <artnay> g morning
[06:23] <klepas> moin
[06:52] <artnay> http://www.lx-networks.de/sticker.php
[07:10] <klepas> nice :)
[07:11] <artnay> canonical should include those with the CDs they send
[07:12] <artnay> anyways, I'm ordering :)
[07:18] <klepas> yep
[07:18] <artnay> so how was your presentation?
[07:18] <klepas> i picked up a box of 250 CDs yesterday at our lug christmas partu
[07:18] <artnay> haha
[07:18] <klepas> s/partu/party
[07:18] <klepas> very cool
[07:18] <klepas> :)
[07:19] <artnay> umh, everything is working now
[07:19] <artnay> I had some problems when updating to dapper, but I managed to solve them
[07:20] <artnay> now I'm ready to do some work ;)'
[08:03] <klepas> :(
[08:04] <klepas> it is just me or why did my mail to the art ML not get through/show up in my inbox/ubuntu-art folder...
[08:04] <klepas> about the meeting
[10:19] <artnay> klepas: no, it's not just you
[12:28] <Badm4n> hello
[12:35] <artnay> hey Badm4nz 
[12:36] <Badm4nz> hello
[12:37] <artnay> Badm4nz: what's on your mind?
[12:37] <Badm4n> i only have idea with the ubutntu desktop
[12:37] <Badm4n> :)
[12:38] <Badm4n> how if when the system loading
[12:38] <Badm4n> that state blablabalbala....ok
[12:38] <Badm4n> blablablala....failed
[12:38] <artnay> with graphics?
[12:38] <Badm4n> we can put our own image/logo
[12:38] <Badm4n> yes
[12:38] <artnay> what do you mean by "system"?
[12:38] <Badm4n> like :
[12:38] <Badm4n> Bringing Network Interface up ........................ ok
[12:39] <Badm4n> syncronizint time zone ................... failed
[12:39] <artnay> oh, you meant Usplash
[12:39] <Badm4n> U Splash ? after login screen ?
[12:39] <Badm4n> i mean b4 the login screen
[12:39] <artnay> yeah, that's Usplash for now
[12:39] <Badm4n> oh i c
[12:39] <artnay> it might change in future versions
[12:39] <Badm4n> can we change it ?
[12:39] <Badm4n> i c
[12:40] <Badm4n> july 2006 rite ?
[12:40] <artnay> well, there has been discussion of replacing text with icons
[12:40] <artnay> july?
[12:40] <Badm4n> yes the next update ?
[12:40] <Badm4n> every 6 month rite ?
[12:41] <artnay> dapper will be out in April, hence the name 6.04 (year and month)
[12:41] <Badm4n> i c
[12:41] <Badm4n> so the next time of breezy = dapper
[12:41] <artnay> well I'm running dapper at the moment :)
[12:41] <Badm4n> so for rite now we cant put our own logo/image ?
[12:41] <Badm4n> on "uslash" ?
[12:42] <artnay> well the "Ubuntu" text on it can be replaced
 well I'm running dapper at the moment :) <---- may i have one ? :(
[12:42] <Badm4n> :p
[12:42] <artnay> but all the text that outputs what's happening inside the kernel, it's not possible to change it to icons (yet)
[12:43] <artnay> dapper is still in development (sid), unstable version
[12:43] <Badm4n> the text of ubuntu can be changed ? can you teach me ? if yes .. i'll reboot my computer and using ubuntu :D
[12:43] <artnay> just sudo sed -e 's/breezy/dapper/g' /etc/apt/sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:44] <artnay> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:44] <Badm4n> wait a moment
[12:44] <Badm4n> rebooting :D
[12:44] <Badm4n> wait...
[12:44] <artnay> but that's unstable, it might brake your system
[12:44] <Badm4n> hold up
[12:44] <Badm4n> would ou :D
[12:44] <Badm4n> brb
[12:47] <artnay> don't update to dapper (yet) unless you're willing to fix your system every once in a while
[12:48] <artnay> oh, he left already :o that's what happens if you don't pay enough attention :)
[12:48] <artnay> hey lukacu 
[12:48] <artnay> don't update to dapper (yet) unless you're willing to fix your system every once in a while
[12:48] <Badm4n> back
[12:48] <Badm4n> :D
[12:48] <lukacu> artnay: hello
[12:48] <Badm4n> :D
[12:49] <Badm4n> i c
[12:49] <Badm4n> hmm
[12:49] <Badm4n> how about the usplash ?
[12:49] <artnay> no replies regarding the meeting :(
[12:49] <artnay> Badm4n: there's a wiki page for it
[12:49] <Badm4n> icant find it at wiki
[12:49] <Badm4n> the only that i can find is a how to change login img and preloading image
[12:49] <Badm4n> using artmagaer
[12:49] <Badm4n> lolz
[12:50] <artnay> Badm4n: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[12:50] <artnay> maybe there should be a GUI to do all that
[12:51] <artnay> lukacu: would 29th be ok?
[12:52] <Badm4n> gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.o -o yourimage-splash.so <---- .so ? how i can create it ?
[12:52] <lukacu> artnay: yes ... fine with me
[12:52] <artnay> Badm4n: create what?
[12:52] <artnay> The PNG must be: 640x480 16 colours.
[12:52] <artnay> shouldn't that be 640x400?
[12:53] <lukacu> artnay: i am just woried about the hour :)
[12:53] <artnay> lukacu: me too
[12:54] <artnay> well, actually I don't care about it. maybe there should be a voting for that
[12:54] <artnay> at least we could ask what people think of different times
[12:55] <Badm4n> yourimage.so ?
[12:55] <lukacu> yes. make five options and then let them vote
[12:56] <artnay> lukacu: you have the necessary tools for that? I'm doing LAMP, Wordpress and punBB
[12:56] <artnay> Badm4n: you need to have the preferred image first
[12:56] <artnay> then just follow the instructions
[12:56] <lukacu> artnay: for voting?
[12:57] <artnay> lukacu: yeah
[12:57] <artnay> let's say it's on the 29th of Dec
[12:57] <Badm4n> to create myownomage.so ?
[12:57] <artnay> ok. now create a link for voting, post it to list and people will have a possibility express themselves
[12:57] <Badm4n> i have already my own png with specific requirment
[12:58] <artnay> Badm4n: ok, did you install libbogl-dev?
[12:58] <artnay> then just cd directorywhereyourimage is
[12:58] <Badm4n> on the way :D
[12:59] <artnay> and follow the wiki instructions
[12:59] <lukacu> artnay: how about a simple wiki page? too much freedom?
[12:59] <Badm4n> Setting up libbogl-dev (0.1.18-1.1ubuntu3) ...
[12:59] <Badm4n> root@tequila:/home/mirza#
[12:59] <Badm4n> done
[12:59] <artnay> lukacu: I was just going to suggest that :)
[01:00] <lukacu> lol ... wiki is good for everything
[01:00] <Badm4n> lol
[01:00] <artnay> maybe the clock should be divided into eight sections
[01:00] <artnay> what do you think?
[01:01] <lukacu> and we can build our agenda there also
[01:01] <artnay> or what do you mean by 5 different sections? how are you going to do that?
[01:01] <Badm4n> like a time scedule / reminder ?
[01:01] <artnay> lukacu: let's build it beforehand. then just show it to the people and ask for improvements, suggestions etc.
[01:02] <artnay> let's make a wiki page of that
[01:02] <lukacu> ok
[01:02] <lukacu> :)
[01:02] <artnay> my todo list is somewhere in /dev/null
[01:02] <artnay> but klepas has a backu
[01:03] <artnay> a wiki page of that would be great
[01:03] <lukacu> indeed
[01:03] <artnay> it would be even better if we could separate the topics mentioned on the list into different wiki pages
[01:04] <lukacu> mentioned by who? ... klepas?
[01:04] <Badm4n> hmmm
[01:04] <Badm4n> ubuntu 5.10 have png editor ?
[01:04] <artnay> Badm4n: the gimp
[01:04] <artnay> lukacu: I did the list (artwork-todo), but my account was deleted :>
[01:05] <artnay> and I haven't had time to seek for bu on my BSD serv
[01:05] <artnay> klepas had it on cache so he made it public
[01:05] <lukacu> i see :)
[01:06] <artnay> it's a bit outdated but I most probably am able to recall what was changed in the most recent version
[01:06] <artnay> Badm4n: just alt+f2 -> gimp -> enter
[01:07] <Badm4n> yes
[01:07] <lukacu> artnay: will you start the agenda page? ... i have some stuff to add but not enough to start with
[01:07] <Badm4n> i'm looking for the canvas size lolz... never use gimp :(
[01:07] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[01:07] <artnay> http://wombat.nuxified.com/artwork-todo
[01:07] <artnay> that's a start
[01:07] <Badm4n> is that must be : e PNG must be: 640x480 16 colour
[01:07] <artnay> Badm4n: yes, otherwise it won't work
[01:08] <Badm4n> and doesnt make my system crash ? rite
[01:08] <artnay> although I think it should be 640x400
[01:08] <artnay> as I spoke with mjg59 and he stated that
[01:08] <artnay> Badm4n: if it doesn't work, your system should boot without Usplash
[01:08] <Badm4n> http://wombat.nuxified.com/artwork-todo <-- agree is the colour using 256 :D
[01:09] <lukacu> artnay: yeah... but somebody must create a page ... that is create a suitable name for it :)
[01:09] <artnay> Badm4n: it might be one of the improvements
[01:09] <artnay> it requires changes to how Usplash operates with fb
[01:10] <artnay> and it's not in dapper yet
[01:13] <Badm4n> i'm sorry but i cant find to change my png to 16 colours.
[01:13] <Badm4n> how that is posible ?
[01:13] <artnay> are you creating an image?
[01:13] <Badm4n> nope
[01:13] <Badm4n> i open my old png
[01:13] <artnay> maybe it has more colours than just 16
[01:14] <Badm4n> yes
[01:14] <Badm4n> how to change it to 16
[01:14] <Badm4n> or i must create a new one ?
[01:15] <artnay> no
[01:16] <artnay> $EDITOR 16colours
[01:16] <artnay> #!/bin/sh
[01:16] <artnay> convert -depth 24  $1 $1
[01:16] <artnay> convert -depth 16  $1 $1
[01:16] <artnay> convert -depth  8  $1 $1
[01:16] <artnay> convert -colors  16   $1 $1
[01:16] <artnay> paste those lines there
[01:16] <artnay> then sh 16colours currentimage.png new16colourimage.png
[01:17] <artnay> I guess that's one way to do it. I'm on XP machine at the moment and I don't have da GIMP here :(
[01:18] <Badm4n> lol
[01:18] <Badm4n> ok ok
[01:20] <Badm4n> root@tequila:/home/mirza# sh 16kolor.sh look1a.png uslash.png
[01:20] <Badm4n> 16kolor.sh: line 2: convert: command not found
[01:20] <Badm4n> 16kolor.sh: line 3: convert: command not found
[01:20] <Badm4n> 16kolor.sh: line 4: convert: command not found
[01:20] <Badm4n> 16kolor.sh: line 5: convert: command not found
[01:20] <Badm4n> lolz
[01:21] <Badm4n> nevermind
[01:21] <Badm4n> maybe nextime
[01:22] <Badm4n> i'll get my xp on now :D:))
[01:22] <Badm4n> brb
[01:27] <artnay> that requires imagemagick I guess
[01:27] <Badm4n> lol
[01:27] <artnay> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[01:30] <artnay> lukacu: I try to move that stuff out of text page into a wiki page
[01:30] <artnay> today if I just find time for that, any help will be much appreciated
[01:31] <klepas> hey guys
[01:31] <klepas> sorry i wasn't around earlier
[01:31] <klepas> festivities and whatnot :)
[01:32] <lukacu> artnay: i will help
[01:32] <lukacu> hello klepas
[01:32] <artnay> no prob, take a look what lukacu and I were discussing
[01:33] <artnay> andyfitz left from here and bvc doesn't hang on IRC :(
[01:35] <klepas> should i tell him to come in?
[01:35] <artnay> no, don't force him :D
[01:35] <artnay> it would be nice to have +20 people on the channel
[01:36] <lukacu> well ... thats a bit too much to expect i guess :)
[01:37] <artnay> anyways, it's the 23rd of Dec here in Finland. I've nearly finished my work and therefore leaving soon
[01:37] <artnay> lukacu: it shouldn't be
[01:38] <artnay> I see lots of interest in graphics at ubuntuforums
[01:38] <artnay> if only we could get some of those guys to join this channel
[01:38] <artnay> not much talk in here :(
[01:38] <lukacu> ok ... perhaps i dont see the whole picture here
[01:39] <artnay> well I think there should be artwork team at ubuntuforums
[01:39] <artnay> have links in signatures
[01:39] <artnay> that way people would be aware what's happening, that there's a team that is supposed to do some artwork
[01:40] <artnay> maybe I'll post a suggestion to admins of ubuntuforums
[01:40] <lukacu> :)
[01:40] <artnay> I mean, there's tweaker team, documentation team, kubuntu team, god knows what
[01:41] <artnay> we don't even have a proper wiki page, how should people know about all of this?
[01:41] <lukacu> i agree :)
[01:42] <klepas> yea
[01:42] <klepas> i think the best way to tackle this is discuss if over that general meeting I proposed
[01:42] <klepas> has anyone actually gotten it?
[01:42] <klepas> I didn't get a copy...
[01:43] <lukacu> i just think that we should not expect too much ... but it will be a start
[01:43] <artnay> copy of what? I haven't even subscribed, I always use fx to read the list :9
[01:43] <artnay> klepas: hey, read the wiki page proposition
[01:43] <lukacu> ive received a meeting proposal on the ml
[01:44] <artnay> to have a voting of the meeting time
[01:44] <artnay> as a wiki page
[01:44] <artnay> and add option "I don't care, I'll participate anyway"
[01:44] <artnay> :)
[01:44] <artnay> "I don't care, I'm not coming" :o
[01:45] <lukacu> klepas: 21.12. [ubuntu-art]  General Ubuntu Art meeting for December ? is that correct email?
[01:45] <artnay> anyways, I'm leaving now. in case we don't have a discussion here later today, happy holidays (or may I say "Merry Christmas!") to all of you
[01:45] <artnay> lukacu: that is
[01:45] <artnay> no replies :(
[01:46] <artnay> ok, take care
[01:46] <lukacu> bye
[01:47] <klepas> yes lukacu 
[01:47] <klepas> that is the right email
[01:48] <lukacu> :)
[01:48] <klepas> Oh, have i mentioned
[01:48] <klepas> i'm meeting Andy and Mark Shuttleworth
[01:48] <klepas> in 31 days!
[01:48] <klepas> :)
[01:48] <lukacu> :D
[01:49] <klepas> actually i'll be sitting in on Andy's presentation
[01:49] <klepas> and listening to Mark's one as well
[01:49] <klepas> ought to be awesome
[01:51] <lukacu> well.. it is always good to know people at high places :)
[01:52] <lukacu> where are you meeting them?
[01:54] <klepas> LCA2006
[01:54] <klepas> http://lca2006.linux.org.au/
[01:56] <lukacu> thats a huge event :)
[01:56] <klepas> sure is
[01:57] <Badm4n> is shipit.com absolutely freee ? cause i request one :F
[01:58] <Badm4n> :D
[02:02] <Badm4n> using usps ?
[02:50] <artnay> Badm4n: it is
[02:50] <artnay> hi mhz 
[02:50] <Badm4n> i c
[02:50] <Badm4n> so it will take about 7 days ?
[02:50] <Badm4n> if em not wrong
[02:50] <mhz> hi artnay, how's it going?
[02:50] <artnay> Badm4n: it is completely free although you won't receive the CD on your door :)
[02:51] <artnay> Badm4n: seven days? I don't know, there might still be queue left (all the time, baby)
[02:51] <artnay> maybe a month or so
[02:51] <Badm4n> i c :p
[02:51] <artnay> mhz: I'm fine, not at job anymore ;). you?
[02:53] <mhz> artnay: me looking for a job (it's been 2 1/5 months with no 'getting money', just working as volunteer)
[02:57] <artnay> Badm4n: CDs I meant... and they aren't "free", canonical is paying. so order a bunch of CDs and spread 'em in your neighbourhood
[02:57] <artnay> now that's marketing ;D
[02:57] <Badm4n> hmmmm
[02:57] <artnay> mhz: volunteering? which projects?
[02:57] <mhz> edubuntu and tecnocimiento
[02:58] <artnay> sounds reasonable
[02:58] <mhz> artnay: tecnocimiento is my project but 'the getting ready to get funds part' took us almost 4 months and now it is a terrible season to start carrying out the plan
[02:59] <klepas> sorry i haven't been paying attention guys
[02:59] <mhz> so i'll have to wait until march-april
[03:00] <mhz> artnay: however, i am not complaining, please dont feel like that. I was just telling you.
[03:00] <mhz> :)
[03:00] <klepas> hey
[03:00] <klepas> how many of you lot have read that general meeting mail?
[03:02] <artnay> klepas: you would get replies if you had GMT time on it :)
[03:02] <artnay> so, voting?
[03:03] <klepas> voting on it?
[03:03] <klepas> would be cool
[03:03] <artnay> yeah, for time
[03:03] <klepas> might set up a poll on my site
[03:04] <artnay> let's use wiki so everyone can edit it, add their comments
[03:05] <mhz> yeah, wiki rocks!
[03:05] <mhz> klepas: i have not read it. when did you sen it?
[03:05] <klepas> better idea
[03:06] <klepas> 4-5 days ago
[03:06] <artnay> a poll and comments? would be easier
[03:07] <artnay> klepas: then, fridge?
[03:07] <mhz> and a .ics file for meetings
[03:08] <klepas> yep
[03:08] <klepas> jdub
[03:08] <klepas> Jeff Waugh (btw, who i am also meeting) has already agreed
[03:08] <klepas> to put the event info on the fridge
[03:08] <klepas> only condition
[03:08] <klepas> we need to work out a time first =\
[03:10] <mhz> klepas: hmm, i see no 'meeting' match in subjects regarding [-art] 
[03:11] <mhz> (not in my inbox)
[03:13] <klepas> mhz_BBS: neither in mine
[03:13] <klepas> and i sent it
[03:13] <klepas> so i am going to sent it again
[03:13] <mhz_BBS> thx and sorry
[03:14] <klepas> no worries
[03:14] <klepas> i'm having the same problem
[03:17] <artnay> http://www.lx-networks.de/sticker.php - this sticker thingie reminds me of something. back when AMD didn't have those with CPUs, people were able to order via web
[03:17] <artnay> they sent all kind of stuff actually
[03:18] <klepas> artnay: i'm going to beg Mark for some goodies
[03:18] <klepas> so i'll bring that back with me
[03:18] <klepas> and take some photos for you lot :D
[03:18] <klepas> breezy posters...
[03:18] <klepas> autographed Ubuntu CDs...
[03:18] <klepas> :)
[03:21] <artnay> klepas: take some Dappers, too
[03:22] <klepas> ah, good idea
[03:22] <klepas> :)
[03:25] <klepas> mmhh
[03:25] <klepas> i'd be happy to post some
[03:25] <klepas> signed discs
[03:25] <klepas> so if any of you lot want any
[03:25] <klepas> i'd be happy to organise some
[03:25] <klepas> and then talk with you individually later for sending them your way
[03:26] <klepas> artnay: ? :)
[03:27] <lukacu> klepas: one for me please :)
[03:29] <klepas> rightio
[03:29] <artnay> klepas: sure.
[03:29] <klepas> Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[03:29] <klepas> and which architecture?
[03:29] <artnay> Umh, I prefer KDE but Ubuntu as a name ;D
[03:31] <lukacu> ubuntu / x86
[03:32] <artnay> oh I wish Ubuntu Express would be stable when Dappers go wild
[03:34] <klepas> alrighty
[03:34] <klepas> artnay: so Kubuntu for you?
[03:34] <klepas> i know Mark carries special copies around with him...
[03:34] <artnay> one for me, please. ;D
[03:35] <klepas> x86
[03:35] <artnay> that's it
[03:36] <artnay> live, that would be cool.
[03:38] <klepas> :)
[03:38] <klepas> no promises though guys
[03:38] <klepas> i'll try my best, while not angering the MOTU!
[03:38] <klepas> :P
[03:44] <mhz> klepas: sorry.. i emptied the battery :)
[03:46] <klepas> no worries
[03:46] <klepas> mhz: i'll grab any necessary details off you all later
[03:46] <mhz> klepas: you are sending it to the ML?
[03:46] <klepas> once i come back and actually have the discs
[03:47] <klepas> sending what to the ML? the General meeting info?
[03:47] <mhz> yup
[03:49] <klepas> will do later
[03:49] <klepas> first i need some sleep
[04:11] <klepas> good night folks
[04:11] <klepas> Merry Christmas!
[09:45] <artnay> mhz_bbl: 
[11:54] <artnay> hey lukacu 
[12:00] <lukacu> hey artnay
[12:01] <lukacu> any progress on agenda wiki page?