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lifelessBurglaptop: thats ideal.12:10
Burglaptoplifeless: which is ideal?12:10
lifelessBurglaptop: forwarding as attachment preserves gpg sigs.12:10
lifelessbut if you want to change, check the composer preferences12:10
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ryanpgdaniels, hi there... I just wanted to drop by and let you know that building and installing xf86-video-ati-X11R7.0-6.5.7.3 gets rid of bug #2138201:09
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pittigood night everyone01:15
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TerminXis there any fix for bug 21055 (evdev breaks xkb and gnome-settings-daemon) other than not using evdev?01:18
danielsryanpg: awesome01:21
danielsryanpg: dunno wtf happened there -- must be a missing b-d on render or something.  the code didn't change a bit.01:22
ryanpgdaniels, yeah I don't know what happened either... so I guess I'll just close the bug I opened? or should I leave it until dapper is updated?01:22
danielsryanpg: leave it until it's fixed in the archive, I guess ;) i'll check over all the b-ds more carefully01:22
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ryanpgwill do... I'll comment that it's fixed for me though and how01:23
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crimsun_elmo: please sync cegui-mk2, debsums, enlightenment, tqsllib, and teg from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes. Thanks.02:27
danielsTerminX: not at this stage02:29
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mdkeRiddell, around? I was wondering if we can get the -docs update in before xmas?03:03
mdkeor have people disappeared already for the holidays?03:03
jsgotangcoheh03:04
jsgotangcodon't be surprised03:04
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mdkejsgotangco, Riddell doesn't take holidays or sleep03:04
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danielsa few people have already disappeared for the holidays; most are disappearing at the end of the day today)03:05
floamTerminX: not that I know of03:05
floamTerminX: It's killing me too :(03:05
jsgotangco-_-;03:05
jsgotangcoi guess he hibernates a few times03:06
mdkedaniels, thanks03:07
mdkedaniels, btw, the synaptics driver still not installed by default here, are the seeds fixed yet?03:07
TerminXfloam: :(03:07
floamdaniels: I just added a backtract to #21055, but it doesn't really look useful03:07
floambacktrace, even03:07
danielsmdke: no, I've been crap03:07
mdkedaniels, i'm sure it's not the only bug on your plate :)03:08
floamplus it's probably a dupe of 20052, same issue03:08
TerminXyeah, can't even use a damn GTK2 theme without starting gnome-settings-daemon and halting the process before it gets a chance to screw up03:08
danielsfloam: correct03:08
danielsmdke: far from it03:08
mdkeindeed03:09
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lguerraHi, 03:30
mdkehi lguerra 03:30
lguerraIm test Linux ubuntu 2.6.15-8-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue Dec 13 03:21:39 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux and application menu dont work03:31
mdkelguerra, you'll need to file a bug in bugzilla... there are not many people around right now03:31
lguerramy english is too bad, im read but i dont write too much03:32
mdkelguerra, it's fine :)03:32
lguerrahow i put a bug in bugzilla?03:32
lguerramdke03:33
jdubBenC: ping03:34
mdkelguerra, you go to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com, register and then search the database for a similar bug.03:34
mdkethen if you don't find one, you click "New" and follow the on-screen instructions03:34
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lguerraok thks03:34
BenCjdub: pong03:34
jdubBenC: is this what we're using for UP/SMP? http://lwn.net/Articles/163810/03:35
mdkelguerra, a decent guide here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugReports03:35
lguerraok thks again03:35
BenCjdub: no, but that code looks damn promising and much better than what I am using03:36
lguerramdke: another question03:36
jdubBenC: rock!03:37
jdubBenC: so hard to see what everyone's doing in kernel land :|03:38
BenCit handles the complex structures, which mine doesn't (so full functions that would normally be nops on non SMP are actually take care of03:38
BenCyeah03:38
BenCI'll take a look at thi03:38
BenCs03:38
BenCit's not too late to try it03:38
desrtBenC; no love with the firewire stuff :/03:39
Burglaptoplguerra: shoort03:39
BenCdesrt: feel like compiling the ieee1394 dev code?03:39
desrtBenC; can i build it using linux-headers?03:39
BenCit's on kernel.org in a git repo03:39
BenCyeah03:39
desrtBenC; or do i have to patch the kernel proper?03:40
BenCmake -C /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-9-686 O=`pwd`03:40
lguerraanyone speak spanish? i cant how ask mi question03:40
BenCor something like that03:40
lguerrain english03:40
BenCdesrt: cd ieee1394; and then that command03:40
mdkelguerra, you can try #ubuntu-es03:40
desrtactually03:40
lguerranobody answer me 03:41
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mdkelguerra, they are probably asleep :)03:41
lguerrajeje03:41
lguerramdke: any problem if i write in spanish the bug????03:41
BenCjdub: sweet, it handles modules too!03:41
BenCmy module nop'ing is sort of broken03:41
desrtO=...03:42
mdkelguerra, i don't know if anyone will understand it, best to try english :) your english is fine03:42
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lguerraok thks03:42
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desrtBenC; gonna first try desktop connected to laptop in target disk mode and laptop connected to FW enclosure (to rule out possibilities)03:43
=== BenC loves that PowerMac's can be booted to target mode
desrtas useful as it might seem for laptops it's 10x more useful for xserves03:44
desrtinteresting.03:44
desrtdesktop + target disk mode = [4399369.911000]  sdc: assuming drive cache: write through03:44
desrt[4399369.911000]   sdc: [mac]  sdc1 sdc2 sdc3 sdc4 sdc503:44
desrt++03:44
BenCwell, that doesn't rule out a bug in firewire03:45
desrttrue.  but it does rule out the possibility of a faulty host controller03:45
BenCthere's two different kinds of sbp2 node definitions03:45
BenCyeah03:45
desrtyou were saying?03:46
desrt(about sbp2)03:46
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robitaillejdub ping03:51
jdubrobitaille: pong03:52
jsgotangcomr. fridge!03:52
robitaillejdub,  did you get my email the other day about a ubuntu-qc mailing list?03:53
BenCdesrt: oh, just that target mode might be using one, and that your enclosure using another03:53
BenCand the other is broken03:53
BenCone is more rare than the other03:53
BenCI have two or three bug reports like yours03:53
desrthmm03:53
desrtare you firewire upstream?03:54
BenCjdub: I'm seriously thinking about using this patch for the next upload, thanks03:54
BenCdesrt: in title only, I rarely do work on it anymore03:54
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desrthmm03:54
jdubrobitaille: i did; i should have replied immediately to say that i was procrastinating before creating it03:54
desrtmacos is giving a weird error in dmesg when i plug the drive in03:54
BenCcould just be bad firmware03:55
BenCmaybe try updating that03:55
robitaillejdub,  no problem.  So how long you are planning in procrastinating about it?  :)03:55
jdubheh03:55
desrtFireWire (OHCI) apple id 31 built-in: handleSelfIDInt - received quads == 0.  issuing bus reset03:55
BenCthat's just a tad ugly03:56
desrtbah03:56
desrtbut it works.03:56
desrtok.  so enclosure works in osx :(03:56
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jdubrobitaille: the problem is that we don't yet have a good standard for handling the rather complicated problems posed by national, language, provicial, city, locality loco team lists03:56
desrtBenC; any way to find out what 'type' of sbp2 this thing is?03:56
jdubrobitaille: so whenever someone proposes a list that poses new problems in this scheme, i freeze up for a bit ;-)03:57
robitaillejdub,  I agree.     But we do have now http://ubuntu-qc.org03:57
jdubrobitaille: so you'd prefer ubuntu-qc to ubuntu-ca-qc or ubuntu-quebec?03:58
BenCdesrt: only way I know of is to use gscanbus and check out the config rom03:58
jdubrobitaille: eeek03:58
jdubhrm03:58
desrtbenc; installing03:58
robitaillejdub,  ubuntu-qc seems to follow existing scheme more than the other 203:58
jdubrobitaille: -qc is not a language code or top level domain code03:59
jsgotangcoi thought it was "quality control"03:59
jsgotangcolol03:59
desrthmm03:59
jdubha ha ha03:59
desrtdrive works fine with ubuntu on laptop.03:59
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BenCreally?03:59
robitailleso ubuntu-quebec?   Maybe we would like a ubuntu-quality-control one of these days04:00
BenCso one machine it works fine, and another it doesn't, same kernel?04:00
jsgotangcoand i thought we've about to create a bugsquad team...*sigh*04:00
desrti think so.04:00
desrtwell04:00
desrtpowerpc vs. i38604:00
BenCif that's the case, then is the broken machine amd64?04:00
desrtno.04:00
BenCso ppc works, or is broken?04:00
desrtppc works04:00
desrtdesktop (686-smp) is broken04:00
BenCthat's an odd little bit04:00
BenCdo any firewire devices work?04:01
desrtya.. target disk mode worked04:01
desrtalso.. this very enclosure worked when it contained a harddrive (but not CD)04:01
BenCso the i386 saw the ppc-target-mode?04:01
desrtyes.  and i386 also saw this enclosure when it contained a harddrive04:02
BenChmm, so it's the cdrom04:02
desrtbut the ppc laptop in both linux and macos sees the cdrom04:02
BenCwow, that's a sumper04:02
BenCstumper04:02
desrtquite.04:02
BenCwhat kernel is the ppc running?04:03
desrt-804:03
desrti386 is -904:03
desrtbut i386 was also broken with -804:03
BenCany chance you could bump the ppc to -9?04:03
desrtwell -9 is the one you downgraded back to stable tree, right?04:03
BenCyeah04:03
desrtthat experiment was not a success :)04:03
desrtconsidering -9 is broken and -8 works04:03
desrt(but obviously downgrading wasn't the cause of brokenness)04:04
BenC-8 works on the i386?04:04
desrton the ppc only04:04
desrtnothing works on 386.  everything works on ppc.04:04
BenCdoes -9 work on ppc?04:04
desrtupgrading now :)04:04
BenCjust want to make sure, for my own sanity04:04
BenCthanks04:04
desrtit's pretty weird04:05
desrteverything works except for the exact combination of my PC + the drive enclosure + CD-ROM drive04:05
desrtall other combinations are fine04:05
desrtand it appears to not depend on the kernel version04:06
desrt(although i know this used to work... circa 2.6.8ish)04:06
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desrtneat04:19
desrti just tossed a different CD-ROM drive in there and it's working now04:19
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desrtso uh... uh....04:20
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desrti choose to blame either the cd-rom drive or the enclosure.....04:21
desrtit probably behaves it a strange racey sort of way with the one drive04:21
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jdubrobitaille: still here?04:22
robitaillejdub,  yes04:22
jdubrobitaille: you ok with ubuntu-quebec?04:23
robitaillejdub,  yes04:23
robitailleare you?04:23
jsgotangcojdub, how different is the love tour from the business tour? purely advocacy?04:23
jdubi'm going to settle for a few weird historical artifacts :-)04:23
robitaillejdub:  let's say that our group had some problem with a name than contains both a "ca" and a "qc" together :)04:24
jdubjsgotangco: yeah, non-business, loco/lug community focused, etc.04:24
jdubrobitaille: ha ha ha04:24
jdubcrazy quebecistanis!04:25
jsgotangcohaha04:25
jdubjsgotangco: basically, i do the biz/gov stuff on the side, while the asia tour is almost exclusively about business goals :)04:25
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jsgotangcojdub, right hmmmm04:25
jdubjsgotangco: it's the kind of thing you and i could do in asia :)04:26
jsgotangcoexcept europe is winning heh04:26
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jdub(hrm, which is why the word 'advocates' should totally not be in the asia tour story on the fridge)04:27
jdubnorth america is doing well too04:27
jdubgreedy!04:27
robitaillejdub,  many thanks for the list04:27
jdubwhat most voters don't know is that the next tour will indeed be europe ;)04:27
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mdkejdub, ah cool04:28
rob1not comming as far south of asisa as australia is it?04:28
rob1hot pie is burnies04:28
jsgotangcoasia-oceana04:29
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desrtdaniels; ping04:46
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jdubBenC: why doesn't linux-source-2.6.15 build-dep on gcc-3.405:18
jdub?05:18
jduboh05:18
jdub2.6.12 does05:18
jdubBenC: we're building 2.6.15 with gcc 4?05:18
infinityjdub : Yup.05:22
infinityjdub : On all but hppa, where it's still using 3.405:22
danielsdesrt: pong05:24
jdubinfinity: wow05:24
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Amaranthinfinity: kick ass, that'll make life much easier05:27
infinityThat's the hope.05:27
Amaranthi won't have to explain to people how to make a kernel module build with gcc-3.405:27
infinityUnless it makes life much crashier, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.05:27
infinity(We may still have to do a last-minute switch back to -3.4 if we find a showstopper, so don't get too excited yet, but the whole 2.6.15 series has been building with 4.0, and it doesn't seem much worse than our 2.6.12 kernels with 3.4)05:28
Amaranthgotta love those gcc bugs05:28
infinityIt's not just GCC bugs.05:28
Amaranththings it used to warn on now fail?05:29
infinityThe kernel is some pretty touchy code that often relies on GCC misbehaviour.05:29
Amaranthah05:29
infinityIt's a constant battle to keep improving both the compilers and the kernel and keep them lockstep.05:29
Amaranthdon't people compile it with icc?05:29
infinityLinux has been compiled with a variety of compilers, but I wouldn't trust some subsystems and drivers much further than I can throw an elephant unless you're using GCC (and a recommended version, no less)05:30
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jdubinfinity: can't wait for grumpy + icc - that'll be fun ;-)05:36
fabbionemorning05:39
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infinityjdub : For some unknown value of "fun" that I'm not yet familiar with.05:40
fabbioneicc?05:42
infinityIntel CC.05:42
jdubfabbione: the intel one05:42
fabbioneoh05:42
fabbioneyou kidding..05:42
jdubmeanwhile, vmware is being oom-killed on this machine ;-)05:42
fabbionespeaking of which.. i need to build the new modules05:43
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jdubthe installer script is sooooo ugly05:44
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Amaranthjdub: poke chipx86 or something ;)05:46
fabbionehmmm05:46
fabbionego quickcam!05:46
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Amaranthbtw, broadcom driver in dapper == i can get off OS X05:46
Amaranthyay05:46
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mptfabbione, have you considered logging #ubuntu-desktop?06:17
=== BenC is ready to do his first test with alternative_smp
BenCit compiled, which is always a good sign06:18
infinityalternative_smp?... Does it come with tattoos and army boots?06:18
BenCjust a silly wig06:18
fabbionempt: no, becuase if people don't tell/ask me about channels, it's unlikely i get to know about them. in any case my bot is in too many channels and i can't join anymore06:19
mptok06:21
BenCwell, it booted, and gdm+nvidia started06:21
fabbionenew pack!06:22
fabbionehey BenC 06:22
fabbionehow big is the new pack?06:22
jdubBenC: rock06:22
BenCnew pack?06:23
fabbionepack/pack-2dae6bb81ac4383926b1d6a646e3f73b130ba124.pack06:23
BenCI don't know06:23
BenCmust be automatic from kernel.org06:23
fabbioneprobably06:23
BenCrsync sucks for git06:23
BenCespecially when it repacks06:23
fabbionersync sucks.06:23
fabbionei start my u.c rsync at 400K06:24
fabbioneafter a few 100MB i am down at 20K/s06:24
fabbioneit exponetially slows down06:24
BenC"SMP alternatives: switch to UP code"06:24
BenCrock06:24
fabbioneBenC: is that SMP2UP on amd4?06:25
fabbioneamd6406:25
BenCno, that's a new alternative_smp bit jdub pointed me to06:25
BenCmuch better than smp2up06:25
fabbioneah06:25
infinityWhat's this one do?06:25
BenChas two advantages06:26
BenC1) It does the module stuff cleanly06:26
BenC2) It even accounts for cases where UP would have been a nop and SMP introduces an entire function (semaphores for example)06:26
BenCin the second case, it will nop the entire function06:26
infinityNice.06:26
infinityIs it more likely to work cross-platform, so we can do this on amd64 and powerpc too?06:27
BenCplus, it works with hotplug cpu, meaning it will reenable SMP functions if you hotplug a second cpu :)06:27
BenCit's a bit more complex06:27
infinityYou're kidding.  That's sexy.06:27
desrtthat sounds pretty .... odd?06:27
BenCbut since it does the function stuff, it should be easier for things like ppc06:27
desrtwhat if a critical section is executing while you swap in the 2nd CPU?06:28
desrt(but you have no way of telling that you're in a critical section since there is no locking for UP)06:28
BenCdefine critical?06:28
desrtholding locks06:28
desrtor would-be-holding-locks06:28
desrt(in the case that locks are NOP'd out)06:28
BenCnot sure, but I haven't looked at how to enables SMP after the fact06:28
BenChow it enables I mean06:29
infinityCould be a small race there in theory.  In practice, I don't see that it would hurt much.06:29
BenCit should be easy to do this for amd64 atleast06:29
desrtmaybe processor swapping requires all CPUs to come to a synchronisation point before proceeding06:29
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danielsadd it to a waitqueue?06:30
infinityRather.06:30
BenCwell, everything appears to be stable06:30
infinityI can't imaging that UP->SMP hotplugging would be a common use case anyway.  Still, cool if it works.06:30
BenCcould be that cpu hotplug already does enough so that the smp enabler doesn't have to worry about it06:30
infinityimagine, either.06:30
desrtdaniels; remember that bug where you got windows leaving traces on the background and the panel appeared at the bottom of the screen?  you fixed it with an upload of xorg shortly following flight 206:31
desrtthe top panel appeared at the bottom, i mean06:31
danielsdesrt: er, no shit?06:33
danielsdesrt: on r300 with ppc?06:33
daniels(r300 -> r3xx, r4xx)06:33
desrtdaniels; ya.  it's not fixed.06:33
danielsoh.  no, it's not.06:33
desrtoh.  excellent.06:33
fabbionedesrt: known problem06:33
danielsit works with exa06:33
desrtperfect06:33
danielsit *seems* to be a bug in the xaa core06:33
fabbionedaniels: didn't you say that EXA is BAD BAD BAD06:33
desrtah.06:34
danielsfabbione: sure06:34
fabbioneto the definition of BAD like in ghostbuster?06:34
danielsfabbione: in that it may well kill your system, and good luck with anything being even vaguely performant06:34
jdubwow, my father in law just plopped this totally bizaare piece of hardware down on the table06:34
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infinityjdub: Does it vibrate?06:34
fabbioneaahha06:34
danielswhen anholt's done fixing the memory manager, I'll reconsider exa as the default for r3xx/r4xx06:34
jdubit's a 486 cyrix machine with 4MB ram, deigned for pos use, with a pen interface06:34
jdubfabbione: ha ha ghostbusters06:34
danielsjdub: the mexican place I was at a couple of days ago appears to be using zauruses06:35
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danielsyour backpack has protons in it?? that's too cool!06:35
jdubi'm glad ubuntu runs on 48606:35
danielsmine only has neutrons :(06:35
fabbioneehe06:35
jdubdunno about this $MB ram issue though ;)06:35
jdub4MB06:35
jdub*cough*06:35
danielsjdub: you'll want a 1GB swap partition06:36
danielsalso afaict you can't be using more than 640x480x8, unless you want to have your framebuffer image being swapped out06:36
jdubwow06:37
desrtor stored in video ram....06:37
jdubwindows for pen computing version one06:37
danielsdesrt: if you can't accelerate all your ops, then you need to have a software image06:38
danielsdesrt: i'm betting whatever's in there does nothing more advance than solid fills, point-to-point lines, and blits06:39
desrtdaniels; but if you disable accel entirely....06:39
desrtdaniels; or is that not supported these days?06:39
danielsdesrt: yeah, I guess06:39
danielsdesrt: Option "NoAccel" is supported everywhere06:40
desrtwell06:40
desrta 486 with 4MB of ram is supposed to be painful06:40
danielsyeah06:40
desrtso it may as well be very painful :)06:40
danielsthe lines will be fine, but fills and blits will cane you06:40
danielsslow framebuffer reads/writes + slow bus == oh my god06:40
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jdubhttp://www.computercloset.org/DauphinDTR1.htm07:21
jdub^ ha ha, that's it07:21
fabbionejdub: neat toy07:21
fabbioneyou can probably install a reduced ubuntu on it07:22
fabbionefor sure you want a stripped down to death kernel07:22
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jdubyeah07:22
jdubwill probably try netbooting a tiny kernel07:23
fabbionei don't think you can netboot that thingy :)07:23
fabbioneprobably using one of these floppy from netrom.something07:23
fabbionethat have a pxe client on floppy07:24
fabbionewith only the specific enet driver for that machine07:24
jdub"The unit will run for two continuous hours on a battery charge without the keyboard attached. If the keyboard is attached, it will run for an hour and a half."07:24
jdubha ha ha07:24
infinityNice. :)07:25
danielsorright, no x11r7 final 'till next year07:25
danielsbut the only changes between rc4 and final were pure doc, so whatevz07:25
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jdubhrm, the ethernet port may only be a header, too...07:31
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pittiHi09:11
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jsgotangcopitti, good morning09:19
pittihi jsgotangco 09:19
jsgotangcopitti, happy holidays =)09:19
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pittijsgotangco: thank you, same to you :)09:23
pittienjoy christmas, family, and vacation09:23
jsgotangcopitti, yup but before that, are locales still broken? =)09:26
jsgotangcosorry i had to ask heh09:26
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jsgotangcohaha09:26
jsgotangcoenjoy the weekend =)09:26
pittijsgotangco: consider it a present for xmas - find out about the deeper quirks of dpkg ;)09:27
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Amaranthwas the workaround in cairo for an X bug removed?09:59
Amaranthbecause i think i'm seeing that bug again on ppc09:59
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Amaranthit's fun watching icons dance up the desktop though10:00
ograAmaranth, are you sure youre not accidentially using KDE ? :P10:04
Amaranthheh10:04
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dholbachhellas10:15
jsgotangcohey10:16
jsgotangcodholbach, happy holidays10:16
dholbachthank you10:16
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jsgotangcoho ho ho10:17
dholbachhappy holidays and merry christmas to everbody else too!10:18
robitaillethanks10:18
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fabbionei hate you all :)10:19
fabbionei want to be vac too!10:19
dholbachmorning seb12810:19
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fabbionehey dholbach 10:20
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dholbachfabbione: you'll be working 27-31?10:20
ografabbione, i thought we are supposed to (from tomorrow on)10:20
fabbionedholbach: no10:20
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fabbionedholbach: we are not allowed...10:20
ograheh10:20
dholbachfabbione: *phew* yeah10:20
fabbionenot like i won't be playing with my toys10:20
fabbionei need to build my console server to plug hppa/a64/an extra sparc10:20
fabbioneand some other piece of equpment10:20
fabbionefix my tivo box10:21
fabbioneall kind of stuff10:21
fabbionenot that i expect my wife to allow me to do so10:21
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fabbionebut at least i will try :)10:21
dholbachfabbione: that's what i thought ;)10:21
ograheh10:21
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jsgotangcocaio10:35
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jettanahello11:05
jettanai had problem about remastering Ubuntu install cd11:06
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jordipitti: ping11:20
pittifast pong11:20
jordithose are the ones I like11:20
jordipitti: when a package in launchpad says it has no template to translate, usually it means the src package had no pot distributed?11:21
jordipitti: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/202211:21
pittisounds right11:22
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pittijordi: we need to fix all these packages to produce a pot11:26
pittislomo_: ping11:29
pittiseb128, slomo_: I updated the avahi main inclusion report11:31
seb128pitti: thanks for looking on it11:31
fabbionepitti: i just tried a breezy->dapper update for the locales stuff11:32
fabbioneand it's no go11:32
pittifabbione: what breaks?11:32
fabbioneit looks like /var/$something/ is missing11:32
fabbionequite a long path..11:32
pittifabbione: does the locale package break?11:32
pittior the langauge packs?11:32
fabbioneyes11:32
fabbionethe locale11:32
pitti/var/lib/locales/supported.d I assume11:32
fabbioneye11:32
pittiok, thanks11:32
Lathiatpitti: ooh nifty11:33
fabbioneit says in preinst or something that it is missing11:33
fabbioneand error hard11:33
pittifabbione: could you please file a major bug against me? I can't fix it now (EBUSY)11:33
Lathiatpitti: dropping qt4 is easy11:33
pittiLathiat, slomo_, seb128: ok, packaging and debs look fine, security looks fine, too, but the RC bugs need to be solved11:34
Lathiatpitti: qt4 in universe?11:34
fabbionepitti: meh sure ok11:34
Lathiatpitti: what RC bugs?11:34
pittiLathiat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=avahi11:34
pittiand the FTBFS on i38611:34
Lathiatubuntu build logs?11:34
pittithe important and normal Debian bug look pretty serious, too11:34
Lathiatlooking now11:35
Lathiatdidnt realise they were there11:35
seb128pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/a/avahi/0.6.1-1ubuntu1 ...11:35
pittiwell, these bugs probably come and go on a daily basis11:35
seb128pitti: all successful11:35
pittiseb128: no idea, there are no 0.6.1-1ubuntu1 i386 debs11:35
Lathiatmost of this stuff is a quick/minor11:35
fabbionepitti: 2143611:36
pittiseb128: hmm, odd11:36
pittifabbione: thanks11:36
seb128pitti: I'm not sure the archive is updated since yesterday11:36
seb128pitti: gst-plugins-good0.10 built yesterday and no sign of the deb neither11:37
seb128seems that elmo broke the archive before running in VAC :p11:37
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seb128I got no update today neither11:37
seb128(out of an openoffice stuff from yesterday)11:37
jordipitti: so what do we do in this case?11:39
pittijordi: well, fix the package to build a POT :)11:39
pittiguys, I have to leave now, I need to visit my grandparents11:39
jordiok. even for breezy?11:39
pittino, not for breezy11:39
pittiwe can manually build a breezy POT and feed it into Rosetta11:40
pittias we did for hoary11:40
pittiI might be online again in the afternoon11:40
seb128pitti: enjoy your holidays, happy christmas/new year :)11:40
pittiseb128: for you, too!11:40
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pittijordi: happy christmas to you11:40
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Nafallowhat happened at ubz? everyone has been hugging everyone else since then :-P.11:45
dholbachNafallo: there was some love potion in the food11:45
mvoSUPERHUG powers11:45
JaneWdholbach: chinese aphrodisiacs11:45
Nafallohehe :-)11:46
dholbachdid somebody apart from the ubuntu world comment on that already? ;-p11:47
Nafallohehe, no idea ;-)11:47
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Nafallohmm11:49
Nafallomp3 support out of the box for dapper?11:49
Nafallohttp://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2005/12/23/011:49
dholbachNafallo: we already talked about that - there's some "if your a distributor..." clause somewhere on those pages11:49
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Nafalloright...11:51
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jdubNafallo: we can't ship it, but fluendo will be able to12:03
Nafalloindeed. I actually read more than the blog now :-).12:04
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slomo_jbailey: ping?01:36
jbaileyslomo_: pong?01:37
slomo_jbailey: do you know of any great problems with breezy and flight2 live cds on ppc64? the mono guy refused to debug it any further because he had lockups, kernel panics, etc :/01:38
jbaileyslomo_: Yup, all of the above.01:39
jbaileyFixed in current Dapper.01:39
slomo_perfect... i'll tell him :) thanks01:39
jbaileyWell, loose version of fixed.  Don't use opengl at all01:39
jbaileyBut if you avoid that, the rest of it is now mostly fine.01:39
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slomo_do we have daily live cds and are they working currently? ;)01:40
apokryphosslomo_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/01:41
jbaileyslomo_: I don't test the live CDs much.  I do try to run current dapper, though.01:41
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slomo_ok, thanks01:42
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lucashi02:05
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mhzhi all02:33
PygiHi hi02:35
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mdkeRiddell, ping? is there a reason the kubuntu docs are building into trunk/kubuntu/build rather than trunk/build/kubuntu?03:42
pvanhooflibc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-1ubuntu12) but 2.3.5-1ubuntu17 is to be installed03:42
pvanhoofon dapper03:42
pvanhoofis that situation going to get fixed soon? :)03:42
pvanhoofI just reinstalled my laptop, but that one is holding back any -dev packge install03:42
pvanhoofmaking it nearly impossible to get a working development environment ;), that sucks03:43
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jbaileypvanhoof: EErr.  What arch is that?04:55
jbaileypvanhoof: I've seen no other bug reports saying that, so it seems like you've got something else going on.04:55
pvanhoofi38605:00
pvanhoofjbailey, standard setup breezy (from cd) and immedialtely after installed upgraded to dapper05:01
pvanhoofdid it that way because the todays dapper daily cd didn't work05:01
pvanhoofbut gtg :-(. catch me later on this, will yha?05:01
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jbaileypvanhoof: Sure.  Ping me when you're around.05:05
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stockholmmdz is not here. will he be online later?05:33
dholbachstockholm: no, he's on vacation05:33
stockholmah, right, christmas!05:34
stockholmi forgot. 05:34
stockholmwhen is he back?05:34
dholbachi dunno exactly, but i suppose beginning of next year05:34
stockholmok, fine05:36
stockholmthanks05:36
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slomo_jbailey: fyi current ppc64 daily live cd doesn't work :/06:36
jbaileyslomo_: =(  Can you file a bug?06:38
jbaileyIt's unlikely to get looked at until the new year.06:38
slomo_jbailey: ok... hm, should flight2 without X work?06:40
jbaileyI have no idea, sorry.  I haven't tested flight2.06:40
slomo_ok... hmm, i'll ask this guy to file bugs... i don't know what exactly doesn't work06:41
slomo_i need to get more different machines :)06:41
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sivangwow, nice I didn't know debconf questions were being GTK'd in synaptic07:01
Pygihehe :)07:01
mvosivang: :)07:02
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mvosivang: I (well, biased) find using synaptic nice for big upgrades because I get a rough idea how long it will take because of the progressbar07:06
sivangmvo: agreed, but I now seem to be running into an endless loop with locales installation failure -07:06
sivangmvo: do I need to do anything then change my sources.list file for dist-ugprading in synaptic?07:06
mvosivang: a endless loop? hm, I had a problems with the locales too, it solved itself after a second "apply"07:07
mvosivang: no, changing your sources.list is enough07:07
sivangmvo: ok, I will retry07:07
sivangmvo: weird. I can't get out of thie loop. It repeats the question about which dictionaris to install, displays the locale LC_ALL=C fallback errors on the terminal fails again and starts from the beginning07:12
mvosivang: I remember getting a lot of questions about the dictinoaries as well. I had to confirm it 10-20 times (upgrade glitch). you may try to upgrade to breezy first before going to dapper. that works usually better 07:14
mvogoing only a single version at a time07:14
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jbaileymvo, sivang: IIRC, skipping versions isn't supported for upgrades.07:20
zulheh...i did that as well07:21
mvojbailey: yes, it's not supported. but sivang is a power-user. I did such upgrades as well, it requires a bit more hand-holding07:21
jbaileyRight.  I didn't know if anyone had ever bothered even trying it.07:22
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khermans_I would like to make a Ubuntu document, but I want it to stay updated by using SOAP to connect to my webserver to get the latest info08:12
khermans_how can I add a SOAP connection to my PDF document?08:12
neuraliskhermans_: you can't.08:12
khermans_?08:13
khermans_supposedly you can in Acrobat 6+08:13
khermans_http://www.planetpdf.com/developer/article.asp?ContentID=632408:13
tsengthat sounds like a question for the acrobat manual08:13
neuraliskhermans_: i'm pretty sure none of the unix pdf viewers support such a thing.08:14
khermans_ok, fair enough -- thought someone might know08:14
neuraliskhermans_: it also just sounds like a bad idea. it's much easier to put a nice box at the top of your document that provides a url to the newest version of your document.08:14
tsengi might suggest though that you are better off making an xml docbook source file and dynamically generating the pdf programmatically08:14
tsengor something.08:14
neuralistseng: that isn't really what he's looking for. he wants a document to auto-update _after_ it reaches the end-user, which is non-trivial and rarely done.08:15
khermans_neuralis, exactly08:15
khermans_so like, even if I distributed a PDF to my friend, he would never have to naviigate to the site again -- just reopen the PDF and there are the new steps for doing some Dapper-specific stuff, or even Dapper+108:17
khermans_oh well :-(08:17
neuraliskhermans_: the easiest way to do that is to provide the documentation as HTML, and use XHR after the page loads to attempt to fetch a more recent version, then replace the contents via standard DOM manipulation.08:17
neuralisactually, no, that won't work. cross-site xhr. nevermind.08:18
neuraliskhermans_: i think you're mostly out of luck.08:18
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dholbachgood night everybody - have a happy christmas and a good start into the next year08:55
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Treenaksdholbach: you're leaving us for a week?08:58
Treenaksdholbach: (have a good christmas/newyear too :))08:58
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dholbachTreenaks: thanks, i guess i pop in every now and then, but just wanted to say, when i see you all ;)08:59
Treenaksdholbach: blog it ;)08:59
dholbach:)08:59
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mjg59With cdbs, what's the right approach to adding a patch that requires the package to be autoreconfed?09:30
jbaileyIs it autoconf and automake together?09:31
mjg59jbailey: autoconf, automake and autoheader09:32
mjg59It's easy to just keep those in the patch, except that seems to defeat the entire point of having the patch09:32
mjg59Uhm. Defeat the entire point of having the patch be a split-out patch09:32
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jbaileymjg59: Generally I find the best solution is to add AM_MAINTAINER_MODE to configure.{in,ac} and the regenerate the files once.09:33
mjg59jbailey: See above :)09:33
jbaileyThat way security updates don't depend on the autotools all working together with whatever version they're at in the future.09:33
mjg59Right, but then if there's more than one patch that does that, there's no point in having split out patches at all09:33
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jbaileyRobert Millan added some magic to make it automatically autoreconf and such.  I've never tried it.09:33
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mjg59"CDBS can be asked to update libtool, autoconf, and automake files, but this behavior is likely to break the build system and is '''STRONGLY''' discouraged."09:34
mjg59(No mention of autoheader, though the code seems to do it)09:35
jbaileyIt looks like DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_AUTOCONF might just need to be added to the rules file.09:35
mjg59Yeah. This still sounds like a poor solution, though I can't see a better one09:35
jbaileyRight.09:35
=== mjg59 wonders if he needs to add autoconf and friends to the build-dependencies in that case
jbaileyWhat it really needs is some clever way that says "At the last possible moment, run autoreconf -f -i -s"09:36
jbaileyYes.09:36
mjg59They're not automatically pulled in?09:36
mjg59The extent to which I hate cdbs grows by the day09:36
jbaileyThey're automatically pulled in if you're using cdbs to generate your build-deps.09:37
mjg59Doesn't look like it. Bah.09:37
jbaileymjg59: Tell me what you want to be different.09:37
jbaileyI'm actually hacking a bit on cdbs again.  If I can make it useful to you, I'd rather do that.09:37
jbaileyEspecially given that enough other people like it that you can't really avoid it.09:38
mjg59jbailey: Heh :) I want it to deal well with patches that touch the autotools config09:38
jbaileyThat's reasonable.09:38
mjg59Since it seems to defeat the point of split out patches otherwise09:38
jbaileyCan you think of a non-sucky way to handle the build-deps problem?09:39
jbaileyRight now it requires a control.in file.09:39
jbaileySince build-deps have to be stable before upload.09:39
mjg59Have a pre-upload pass?09:39
mjg59Can it be done somehow during dpkg-buildpackage? I've never actually looked enough at what it does then09:40
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jbaileyRight now the maintainer has to generate it manually with debian/rules debian/control09:41
mjg59Right09:41
jbaileyIt's easy enough, but it breaks the assumption that debian/control is the canonical file to edit.09:41
mjg59Yeah09:41
mjg59A ${cdbs:deps} type statement that would just be for things that cdbs pulls in?09:42
jbaileyYup.  I think we use automake style @CDBS@ right now, but that's the idea.09:42
jbaileyIt's what you include in the control.in.09:42
mjg59Right09:42
jbaileyOne hack that I *will* be putting in shortly is a test that if debian/control is not up to date, that the build will fail right at the beginning with a note asking the maintainer to run debian/rules debian/control by hand.09:43
mjg59Hrm. What's the right way to build-depend on automake?09:44
jbaileyautomake1.909:44
mjg59Heh :)09:44
mjg59Fair enough09:44
jbailey(assuming your automake-fu is sufficiently recent)09:44
mjg59Yeah09:44
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