=== madduck_ is now known as madduck === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] Burglaptop: thats ideal. [12:10] lifeless: which is ideal? [12:10] Burglaptop: forwarding as attachment preserves gpg sigs. [12:10] but if you want to change, check the composer preferences === Robi-_ is now known as Robi === Robi is now known as Robi- === stratus [n=stratus@200216021177.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-61-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-228-54.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-064-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo_ [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@12-203-76-59.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@c-71-194-38-156.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] daniels, hi there... I just wanted to drop by and let you know that building and installing xf86-video-ati-X11R7.0-6.5.7.3 gets rid of bug #21382 === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] good night everyone === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-98.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] is there any fix for bug 21055 (evdev breaks xkb and gnome-settings-daemon) other than not using evdev? [01:21] ryanpg: awesome [01:22] ryanpg: dunno wtf happened there -- must be a missing b-d on render or something. the code didn't change a bit. [01:22] daniels, yeah I don't know what happened either... so I guess I'll just close the bug I opened? or should I leave it until dapper is updated? [01:22] ryanpg: leave it until it's fixed in the archive, I guess ;) i'll check over all the b-ds more carefully === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-36-159.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] will do... I'll comment that it's fixed for me though and how === dobwan [n=dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] exit [01:32] .exit === dilinger_ [i=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-208-63-72-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] elmo: please sync cegui-mk2, debsums, enlightenment, tqsllib, and teg from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes. Thanks. [02:29] TerminX: not at this stage === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicolas_d_S [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-097-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] Riddell, around? I was wondering if we can get the -docs update in before xmas? [03:03] or have people disappeared already for the holidays? [03:04] heh [03:04] don't be surprised === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-097-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] jsgotangco, Riddell doesn't take holidays or sleep === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] a few people have already disappeared for the holidays; most are disappearing at the end of the day today) [03:05] TerminX: not that I know of [03:05] TerminX: It's killing me too :( [03:05] -_-; [03:06] i guess he hibernates a few times [03:07] daniels, thanks [03:07] daniels, btw, the synaptics driver still not installed by default here, are the seeds fixed yet? [03:07] floam: :( [03:07] daniels: I just added a backtract to #21055, but it doesn't really look useful [03:07] backtrace, even [03:07] mdke: no, I've been crap [03:08] daniels, i'm sure it's not the only bug on your plate :) [03:08] plus it's probably a dupe of 20052, same issue [03:08] yeah, can't even use a damn GTK2 theme without starting gnome-settings-daemon and halting the process before it gets a chance to screw up [03:08] floam: correct [03:08] mdke: far from it [03:09] indeed === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lguerra [n=ubuntu@201.244.4.220] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] Hi, [03:30] hi lguerra [03:31] Im test Linux ubuntu 2.6.15-8-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue Dec 13 03:21:39 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux and application menu dont work [03:31] lguerra, you'll need to file a bug in bugzilla... there are not many people around right now [03:32] my english is too bad, im read but i dont write too much [03:32] lguerra, it's fine :) [03:32] how i put a bug in bugzilla? [03:33] mdke [03:34] BenC: ping [03:34] lguerra, you go to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com, register and then search the database for a similar bug. [03:34] then if you don't find one, you click "New" and follow the on-screen instructions === warren [n=warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] ok thks [03:34] jdub: pong [03:35] BenC: is this what we're using for UP/SMP? http://lwn.net/Articles/163810/ [03:35] lguerra, a decent guide here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugReports [03:35] ok thks again [03:36] jdub: no, but that code looks damn promising and much better than what I am using [03:36] mdke: another question [03:37] BenC: rock! [03:38] BenC: so hard to see what everyone's doing in kernel land :| [03:38] it handles the complex structures, which mine doesn't (so full functions that would normally be nops on non SMP are actually take care of [03:38] yeah [03:38] I'll take a look at thi [03:38] s [03:38] it's not too late to try it [03:39] BenC; no love with the firewire stuff :/ [03:39] lguerra: shoort [03:39] desrt: feel like compiling the ieee1394 dev code? [03:39] BenC; can i build it using linux-headers? [03:39] it's on kernel.org in a git repo [03:39] yeah [03:40] BenC; or do i have to patch the kernel proper? [03:40] make -C /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-9-686 O=`pwd` [03:40] anyone speak spanish? i cant how ask mi question [03:40] or something like that [03:40] in english [03:40] desrt: cd ieee1394; and then that command [03:40] lguerra, you can try #ubuntu-es [03:40] actually [03:41] nobody answer me === desrt pulls out the laptop and tries a few more tests first [03:41] lguerra, they are probably asleep :) [03:41] jeje [03:41] mdke: any problem if i write in spanish the bug???? [03:41] jdub: sweet, it handles modules too! [03:41] my module nop'ing is sort of broken [03:42] O=... [03:42] lguerra, i don't know if anyone will understand it, best to try english :) your english is fine === desrt used to SUBDIRS= :) [03:42] ok thks === mdke boggles in amazement at jdub's patience on sounder [03:43] BenC; gonna first try desktop connected to laptop in target disk mode and laptop connected to FW enclosure (to rule out possibilities) === BenC loves that PowerMac's can be booted to target mode [03:44] as useful as it might seem for laptops it's 10x more useful for xserves [03:44] interesting. [03:44] desktop + target disk mode = [4399369.911000] sdc: assuming drive cache: write through [03:44] [4399369.911000] sdc: [mac] sdc1 sdc2 sdc3 sdc4 sdc5 [03:44] ++ [03:45] well, that doesn't rule out a bug in firewire [03:45] true. but it does rule out the possibility of a faulty host controller [03:45] there's two different kinds of sbp2 node definitions [03:45] yeah [03:46] you were saying? [03:46] (about sbp2) === ozamosi [n=nnnnozam@h11n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] jdub ping [03:52] robitaille: pong [03:52] mr. fridge! [03:53] jdub, did you get my email the other day about a ubuntu-qc mailing list? [03:53] desrt: oh, just that target mode might be using one, and that your enclosure using another [03:53] and the other is broken [03:53] one is more rare than the other [03:53] I have two or three bug reports like yours [03:53] hmm [03:54] are you firewire upstream? [03:54] jdub: I'm seriously thinking about using this patch for the next upload, thanks [03:54] desrt: in title only, I rarely do work on it anymore === Swe3tDave [n=Administ@Toronto-HSE-ppp3868005.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] hmm [03:54] robitaille: i did; i should have replied immediately to say that i was procrastinating before creating it [03:54] macos is giving a weird error in dmesg when i plug the drive in [03:55] could just be bad firmware [03:55] maybe try updating that [03:55] jdub, no problem. So how long you are planning in procrastinating about it? :) [03:55] heh [03:55] FireWire (OHCI) apple id 31 built-in: handleSelfIDInt - received quads == 0. issuing bus reset [03:56] that's just a tad ugly [03:56] bah [03:56] but it works. [03:56] ok. so enclosure works in osx :( === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] robitaille: the problem is that we don't yet have a good standard for handling the rather complicated problems posed by national, language, provicial, city, locality loco team lists [03:56] BenC; any way to find out what 'type' of sbp2 this thing is? [03:57] robitaille: so whenever someone proposes a list that poses new problems in this scheme, i freeze up for a bit ;-) [03:57] jdub, I agree. But we do have now http://ubuntu-qc.org [03:58] robitaille: so you'd prefer ubuntu-qc to ubuntu-ca-qc or ubuntu-quebec? [03:58] desrt: only way I know of is to use gscanbus and check out the config rom [03:58] robitaille: eeek [03:58] hrm [03:58] benc; installing [03:58] jdub, ubuntu-qc seems to follow existing scheme more than the other 2 [03:59] robitaille: -qc is not a language code or top level domain code [03:59] i thought it was "quality control" [03:59] lol [03:59] hmm [03:59] ha ha ha [03:59] drive works fine with ubuntu on laptop. === desrt makes some faces [03:59] really? [04:00] so ubuntu-quebec? Maybe we would like a ubuntu-quality-control one of these days [04:00] so one machine it works fine, and another it doesn't, same kernel? [04:00] and i thought we've about to create a bugsquad team...*sigh* [04:00] i think so. [04:00] well [04:00] powerpc vs. i386 [04:00] if that's the case, then is the broken machine amd64? [04:00] no. [04:00] so ppc works, or is broken? [04:00] ppc works [04:00] desktop (686-smp) is broken [04:00] that's an odd little bit [04:01] do any firewire devices work? [04:01] ya.. target disk mode worked [04:01] also.. this very enclosure worked when it contained a harddrive (but not CD) [04:01] so the i386 saw the ppc-target-mode? [04:02] yes. and i386 also saw this enclosure when it contained a harddrive [04:02] hmm, so it's the cdrom [04:02] but the ppc laptop in both linux and macos sees the cdrom [04:02] wow, that's a sumper [04:02] stumper [04:02] quite. [04:03] what kernel is the ppc running? [04:03] -8 [04:03] i386 is -9 [04:03] but i386 was also broken with -8 [04:03] any chance you could bump the ppc to -9? [04:03] well -9 is the one you downgraded back to stable tree, right? [04:03] yeah [04:03] that experiment was not a success :) [04:03] considering -9 is broken and -8 works [04:04] (but obviously downgrading wasn't the cause of brokenness) [04:04] -8 works on the i386? [04:04] on the ppc only [04:04] nothing works on 386. everything works on ppc. [04:04] does -9 work on ppc? [04:04] upgrading now :) [04:04] just want to make sure, for my own sanity [04:04] thanks [04:05] it's pretty weird [04:05] everything works except for the exact combination of my PC + the drive enclosure + CD-ROM drive [04:05] all other combinations are fine [04:06] and it appears to not depend on the kernel version [04:06] (although i know this used to work... circa 2.6.8ish) === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] neat [04:19] i just tossed a different CD-ROM drive in there and it's working now === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-36-130.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] so uh... uh.... === desrt shrugs emphatically === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] i choose to blame either the cd-rom drive or the enclosure..... [04:21] it probably behaves it a strange racey sort of way with the one drive === desrt comments on the bug [04:22] robitaille: still here? [04:22] jdub, yes [04:23] robitaille: you ok with ubuntu-quebec? [04:23] jdub, yes [04:23] are you? [04:23] jdub, how different is the love tour from the business tour? purely advocacy? [04:23] i'm going to settle for a few weird historical artifacts :-) [04:24] jdub: let's say that our group had some problem with a name than contains both a "ca" and a "qc" together :) [04:24] jsgotangco: yeah, non-business, loco/lug community focused, etc. [04:24] robitaille: ha ha ha [04:25] crazy quebecistanis! [04:25] haha [04:25] jsgotangco: basically, i do the biz/gov stuff on the side, while the asia tour is almost exclusively about business goals :) === jdub checks poll [04:25] jdub, right hmmmm [04:26] jsgotangco: it's the kind of thing you and i could do in asia :) [04:26] except europe is winning heh === lguerra [n=ubuntu@201.244.4.220] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] (hrm, which is why the word 'advocates' should totally not be in the asia tour story on the fridge) [04:27] north america is doing well too [04:27] greedy! [04:27] jdub, many thanks for the list [04:27] what most voters don't know is that the next tour will indeed be europe ;) === jsgotangco thinks ubuntu love is seriously needed in ASPAC/EMEA [04:28] jdub, ah cool [04:28] not comming as far south of asisa as australia is it? [04:28] hot pie is burnies [04:29] asia-oceana === infinity [n=adconrad@charon.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:46] daniels; ping === warren [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity_ [n=adconrad@charon.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity_ is now known as infinity [05:18] BenC: why doesn't linux-source-2.6.15 build-dep on gcc-3.4 [05:18] ? [05:18] oh [05:18] 2.6.12 does [05:18] BenC: we're building 2.6.15 with gcc 4? [05:22] jdub : Yup. [05:22] jdub : On all but hppa, where it's still using 3.4 [05:24] desrt: pong [05:24] infinity: wow === Swe3tDave [n=Administ@Toronto-HSE-ppp3868005.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:27] infinity: kick ass, that'll make life much easier [05:27] That's the hope. [05:27] i won't have to explain to people how to make a kernel module build with gcc-3.4 [05:27] Unless it makes life much crashier, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case. [05:28] (We may still have to do a last-minute switch back to -3.4 if we find a showstopper, so don't get too excited yet, but the whole 2.6.15 series has been building with 4.0, and it doesn't seem much worse than our 2.6.12 kernels with 3.4) [05:28] gotta love those gcc bugs [05:28] It's not just GCC bugs. [05:29] things it used to warn on now fail? [05:29] The kernel is some pretty touchy code that often relies on GCC misbehaviour. [05:29] ah [05:29] It's a constant battle to keep improving both the compilers and the kernel and keep them lockstep. [05:29] don't people compile it with icc? [05:30] Linux has been compiled with a variety of compilers, but I wouldn't trust some subsystems and drivers much further than I can throw an elephant unless you're using GCC (and a recommended version, no less) === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] infinity: can't wait for grumpy + icc - that'll be fun ;-) [05:39] morning === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217cbd164.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] jdub : For some unknown value of "fun" that I'm not yet familiar with. [05:42] icc? [05:42] Intel CC. [05:42] fabbione: the intel one [05:42] oh [05:42] you kidding.. [05:42] meanwhile, vmware is being oom-killed on this machine ;-) [05:43] speaking of which.. i need to build the new modules === jdub wishes there were a sane ubuntu package of vmware :( [05:44] the installer script is sooooo ugly === mpt [n=mpt@210-54-127-78.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] jdub: poke chipx86 or something ;) [05:46] hmmm [05:46] go quickcam! === fabbione needs to reboot [05:46] btw, broadcom driver in dapper == i can get off OS X [05:46] yay === stub [n=stub@costello.z3u.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked_ [n=ispiked@user-0c99ub6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@costello.z3u.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.14.16.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-1-248-232.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] fabbione, have you considered logging #ubuntu-desktop? === BenC is ready to do his first test with alternative_smp [06:18] it compiled, which is always a good sign [06:18] alternative_smp?... Does it come with tattoos and army boots? [06:18] just a silly wig [06:19] mpt: no, becuase if people don't tell/ask me about channels, it's unlikely i get to know about them. in any case my bot is in too many channels and i can't join anymore [06:21] ok [06:21] well, it booted, and gdm+nvidia started [06:22] new pack! [06:22] hey BenC [06:22] how big is the new pack? [06:22] BenC: rock [06:23] new pack? [06:23] pack/pack-2dae6bb81ac4383926b1d6a646e3f73b130ba124.pack [06:23] I don't know [06:23] must be automatic from kernel.org [06:23] probably [06:23] rsync sucks for git [06:23] especially when it repacks [06:23] rsync sucks. [06:24] i start my u.c rsync at 400K [06:24] after a few 100MB i am down at 20K/s [06:24] it exponetially slows down [06:24] "SMP alternatives: switch to UP code" [06:24] rock [06:25] BenC: is that SMP2UP on amd4? [06:25] amd64 [06:25] no, that's a new alternative_smp bit jdub pointed me to [06:25] much better than smp2up [06:25] ah [06:25] What's this one do? [06:26] has two advantages [06:26] 1) It does the module stuff cleanly [06:26] 2) It even accounts for cases where UP would have been a nop and SMP introduces an entire function (semaphores for example) [06:26] in the second case, it will nop the entire function [06:26] Nice. [06:27] Is it more likely to work cross-platform, so we can do this on amd64 and powerpc too? [06:27] plus, it works with hotplug cpu, meaning it will reenable SMP functions if you hotplug a second cpu :) [06:27] it's a bit more complex [06:27] You're kidding. That's sexy. [06:27] that sounds pretty .... odd? [06:27] but since it does the function stuff, it should be easier for things like ppc [06:28] what if a critical section is executing while you swap in the 2nd CPU? [06:28] (but you have no way of telling that you're in a critical section since there is no locking for UP) [06:28] define critical? [06:28] holding locks [06:28] or would-be-holding-locks [06:28] (in the case that locks are NOP'd out) [06:28] not sure, but I haven't looked at how to enables SMP after the fact [06:29] how it enables I mean [06:29] Could be a small race there in theory. In practice, I don't see that it would hurt much. [06:29] it should be easy to do this for amd64 atleast [06:29] maybe processor swapping requires all CPUs to come to a synchronisation point before proceeding === desrt shrugs. seems interesting in any case. [06:30] add it to a waitqueue? [06:30] Rather. [06:30] well, everything appears to be stable [06:30] I can't imaging that UP->SMP hotplugging would be a common use case anyway. Still, cool if it works. [06:30] could be that cpu hotplug already does enough so that the smp enabler doesn't have to worry about it [06:30] imagine, either. [06:31] daniels; remember that bug where you got windows leaving traces on the background and the panel appeared at the bottom of the screen? you fixed it with an upload of xorg shortly following flight 2 [06:31] the top panel appeared at the bottom, i mean [06:33] desrt: er, no shit? [06:33] desrt: on r300 with ppc? [06:33] (r300 -> r3xx, r4xx) [06:33] daniels; ya. it's not fixed. [06:33] oh. no, it's not. [06:33] oh. excellent. [06:33] desrt: known problem [06:33] it works with exa [06:33] perfect [06:33] it *seems* to be a bug in the xaa core [06:33] daniels: didn't you say that EXA is BAD BAD BAD [06:34] ah. [06:34] fabbione: sure [06:34] to the definition of BAD like in ghostbuster? [06:34] fabbione: in that it may well kill your system, and good luck with anything being even vaguely performant [06:34] wow, my father in law just plopped this totally bizaare piece of hardware down on the table === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:34] jdub: Does it vibrate? [06:34] aahha [06:34] when anholt's done fixing the memory manager, I'll reconsider exa as the default for r3xx/r4xx [06:34] it's a 486 cyrix machine with 4MB ram, deigned for pos use, with a pen interface [06:34] fabbione: ha ha ghostbusters [06:35] jdub: the mexican place I was at a couple of days ago appears to be using zauruses === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione wears his protonic backpack [06:35] your backpack has protons in it?? that's too cool! [06:35] i'm glad ubuntu runs on 486 [06:35] mine only has neutrons :( [06:35] ehe [06:35] dunno about this $MB ram issue though ;) [06:35] 4MB [06:35] *cough* [06:36] jdub: you'll want a 1GB swap partition [06:36] also afaict you can't be using more than 640x480x8, unless you want to have your framebuffer image being swapped out [06:37] wow [06:37] or stored in video ram.... [06:37] windows for pen computing version one [06:38] desrt: if you can't accelerate all your ops, then you need to have a software image [06:39] desrt: i'm betting whatever's in there does nothing more advance than solid fills, point-to-point lines, and blits [06:39] daniels; but if you disable accel entirely.... [06:39] daniels; or is that not supported these days? [06:39] desrt: yeah, I guess [06:40] desrt: Option "NoAccel" is supported everywhere [06:40] well [06:40] a 486 with 4MB of ram is supposed to be painful [06:40] yeah [06:40] so it may as well be very painful :) [06:40] the lines will be fine, but fills and blits will cane you [06:40] slow framebuffer reads/writes + slow bus == oh my god === desrt tries on some ska chords for size [07:21] http://www.computercloset.org/DauphinDTR1.htm [07:21] ^ ha ha, that's it [07:21] jdub: neat toy [07:22] you can probably install a reduced ubuntu on it [07:22] for sure you want a stripped down to death kernel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] yeah [07:23] will probably try netbooting a tiny kernel [07:23] i don't think you can netboot that thingy :) [07:23] probably using one of these floppy from netrom.something [07:24] that have a pxe client on floppy [07:24] with only the specific enet driver for that machine [07:24] "The unit will run for two continuous hours on a battery charge without the keyboard attached. If the keyboard is attached, it will run for an hour and a half." [07:24] ha ha ha [07:25] Nice. :) [07:25] orright, no x11r7 final 'till next year [07:25] but the only changes between rc4 and final were pure doc, so whatevz === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["merry] [07:31] hrm, the ethernet port may only be a header, too... === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sto [n=sto@debian/developer/sto] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [n=frans-th@202.73.108.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [n=frans-th@202.73.108.136] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] Hi === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-161-137.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] pitti, good morning [09:19] hi jsgotangco [09:19] pitti, happy holidays =) === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-61-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-095-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] jsgotangco: thank you, same to you :) [09:23] enjoy christmas, family, and vacation [09:26] pitti, yup but before that, are locales still broken? =) [09:26] sorry i had to ask heh === pitti whistles [09:26] haha [09:26] enjoy the weekend =) [09:27] jsgotangco: consider it a present for xmas - find out about the deeper quirks of dpkg ;) === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] was the workaround in cairo for an X bug removed? [09:59] because i think i'm seeing that bug again on ppc === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-67-223.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] it's fun watching icons dance up the desktop though [10:04] Amaranth, are you sure youre not accidentially using KDE ? :P [10:04] heh === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A66EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] hellas [10:16] hey [10:16] dholbach, happy holidays [10:16] thank you === dholbach hugs jsgotangco [10:17] ho ho ho [10:18] happy holidays and merry christmas to everbody else too! [10:18] thanks === robitaille has been on vacation for the last few hours === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] i hate you all :) [10:19] i want to be vac too! [10:19]