=== poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-228-54.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-98.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-36-159.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:31] "MoreRecentMadwifiHowto" [01:31] lol [01:32] mm? [01:32] Burglaptop, wtf? [01:33] nice title [01:33] mdke_: what is it? [01:33] np, i see it, the redirect is to a dud address [01:33] I am cleaning up old wiki pages [01:34] yeah, you can't use ["blah"] in the REDIRECT [01:34] just #REDIRECT Madwiki-ng does the trick [01:34] ah bloody hell, #$%ERWT^%@$%$@#$%@$W#WERTWE$^% moin [01:35] can't we just delete the page "MoreRecentetc"? [01:35] it's a silly name anyhow [01:36] sure, I am just being paranoid [01:37] google shows nothing of interest really, i'm gonna nuke it :) [01:37] can we nuke old main inclusion reports? [01:38] hmm, moin 1.5 is about to be released [01:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootGrub [01:38] there are loads... i think we should, but best ask mdz or kamion or pitti or someone [01:39] mdke_, wow i thought the server guide had lots of love...its like 75% empty at the moment [01:39] hmm, none of them appear to be one right now [01:39] jsgotangco, that's right [01:40] should I just delete /forum/ stuff? [01:40] excellent [01:41] Burglaptop, eh? [01:41] no! [01:41] mdke_: stuff under /forum that has been moved into the main namespace [01:41] Burglaptop, yes, if it is duplicate, sure [01:42] ok [01:42] mdke_: how are you google searching for wiki pages? === jsgotangco fires up metallica to start the day [01:42] putting in the name of the page [01:44] anyone know anything about MythTV? [01:44] looks like we have two duplicate pages that need merging... [01:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallMythOnUbuntu [01:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MythTV [01:45] I have never touched it [01:46] holy crap we are having almost tropical weather right now' [01:46] really heavy rain and thunder, almost unheardof heere [01:46] ? [01:46] cool [01:46] it doesnt snow in victoria? [01:46] its getting quite cold over here in manila [01:47] jsgotangco: once a year, and it stays for about 2 days [01:47] lol [01:47] that's sad [01:47] at least a week's worth of snow is fun [01:48] no, its great. I hate snow [01:48] lol i like snow for a really short time [01:48] snow is pretty [01:48] yes, it is. On skihills [01:49] until your neighbor's dog decides to take a dump === jsgotangco have been working too much lately [01:51] I haven't been working enough [01:51] mdke_: what was the result of the CC meeting on wiki licensing? [01:52] how is it working in userful? [01:52] good [01:53] Burglaptop, approved, subject to the changes I've made on the page [01:53] mdke_: so we are going with CC-PD? [01:53] yes [01:53] excellent [01:54] thanks for taking the lead on that [01:54] no problem === Burglaptop wonders why SANE bothers shipping libsane-extras if they suck [01:57] because they dont have anything more decent than that? [01:58] what is in that packages is apparently backends that suck [01:58] to me, either ship them whole hog or don't ship them at all [02:01] mdke_: you want to add the Hula article to the mail page? [02:04] jsgotangco, mdke_: either of you have a scanner present? [02:05] no to the latter question [02:05] probably, no to the former too: hula isn't actually production ready is it? [02:06] mdke_: not really [02:06] but mention that it isn't === mdke_ shrugs [02:06] i don't have a problem with that [02:08] but it should be obvious that if someone wants a serious mail server, they shouldn't rely on that [02:08] oh crap another thing is procmail === mdke goes to look for an article on that [02:11] i have a really crappy scanner [02:12] that my wife only uses on osx [02:13] jsgotangco: that would be great [02:13] ScanningHowTo needs to be expanded [02:13] no it isn't really [02:13] its a Brother scanner [02:14] possibly the worst brand you can get in asia [02:14] but sure i [02:14] i'll try [02:21] posted a request to ubuntu-users and -doc to get help on the scanning pagse === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:30] hello King of Dragons [02:31] lol [02:31] I am not kind [02:31] er [02:31] king [02:31] just a guy [02:32] hi kb [02:33] KingBahamut, Kamping_Kaiser: Do either of you own a scanner? [02:33] yeh, it's up in the house somewhere [02:33] lol [02:33] 2 [02:33] er [02:33] no [02:33] 3 in the house [02:33] why? [02:33] Kamping_Kaiser: I command thee to go to ScanningHowTo and help the page out [02:33] lol [02:34] Kamping_Kaiser, say "Yes My Liege" [02:34] be careful, I have a wet noodle I know how to use it! [02:34] verily, it (may) be done [02:34] mostly I am interested in what happens when it doesn't work [02:34] but the when it does could be filled out a little too [02:35] If I ever become an evil overlord, and one of my advisors says "My liege he is but one man, what can he possibly do?" I will say "This!!!!" and shot the advisor immeidately [02:35] lol. love that [02:35] Peter Ansbach is the man === Kamping_Kaiser tosses up working on cv or wiki [02:39] can I nuke this finally? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia [02:39] brb kernel reboot === Burglaptop goes bold === Kamping_Kaiser makes Burglaptop italic [02:42] Burglaptop, is it duplicate? [02:42] mdke: NewUserGuideM? yes [02:43] RestrictedFormats and a few other pages cover it [02:43] sure, bin [02:43] no links on wiki [02:43] ah, check ubotu, i think it has it [02:44] ugh, ya [02:44] np, just get ubotu to drop it [02:45] do we have rights over it? [02:45] yeah, it's open [02:45] http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/?q=NewUserGuideMultimedia&b=Find+%BB disagrees with !multimedia [02:46] disagrees? [02:47] RestrictedFormats and MultimediApplications probably cover everything [02:47] !multimedia brings me nothing, but the website claims it has !multimedia [02:48] ask an ubotu geek i guess === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:50] bloody locales bug [02:50] I don't know how to get past it [02:50] its good to sit in this channel and here proper use of the word bloody [02:50] I never hear it where I live now [02:50] its still there? === jsgotangco havent updated his vanilla flight 2 yet [02:51] what locales bug? [02:51] didn't notice anything [02:51] pitti made a massive change in the use of locales 2 days ago [02:51] yeah, works here tho [02:52] straight upgrading breaks and forcing it doesn't seem to work [02:52] ah, my upgrade dipped out on locales once actually [02:52] i just did another upgrade and it worked [02:52] ill try upgradeing later [02:52] but its not in my todo list atm [02:52] heh [03:17] hi all [03:17] hey [03:19] hiya [03:19] salut Madpilot [03:19] hi Burglaptop [03:19] Madpilot: you headed to maria's on sat? [03:20] Burgwork: yes - you at C's still? [03:20] Madpilot: yep [03:20] Madpilot: taking the truck? [03:20] yes, I've got it already [03:21] Madpilot: can you pick me up at Curious Comics at 2pm on Sat? [03:21] Burglaptop: it's going to have to be earlier than that - the ferry is at 2:30 [03:21] call me @ Clive's right now? [03:22] Madpilot: calling [03:24] jjesse, around? [03:26] lol@ Burglaptop's use of the term "real estate" on the wiki [03:27] wow this is a rarity, most of us are online [03:27] heh [03:27] 2.30 am [03:27] i don't have work tomorrow :) [03:28] same here [03:28] until the 26th [03:28] i'm off until the 5th :) [03:28] thank god [03:29] didnt know there was this many people :O [03:29] well i can go back to work next year if i have too [03:29] i just have too many things to do at the moment [03:30] :( [03:31] there are times i have to turn over work offers [03:31] mm? [03:32] i get invited to do some external doc projects for a fee, its just converting to docbook really but good money [03:32] most of them are foss related as well [03:32] jsgotangco: that is cool [03:32] no time tho? [03:32] mdke, yeah i once tried recommending rob but they prefer someone from developing countries [03:33] (its the United Nations thing) [03:33] there are tangible projects that involve writing new material but they just can't find good foss people active in projects in the region === mdke nods [03:36] hey Burglaptop, there are loads of Bugs subpages, but no parent, perhaps we could make an index, and include things like BugReports [03:36] mdke: can do [03:38] cool [03:39] isn't there some sane bug reporting stuff that dholbach was working on? [03:39] no sure, there are a lot of bug pages on the wiki ;) [03:39] it was a spec that he was working on [03:41] Burglaptop: just read part of the backscroll - when you're in pm with the bot, leave the ! off the commands - so !multimedia is never going to work, but just multimedia does... [03:42] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/best-practices-bugs === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-36-130.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:28] hey robitaille [04:29] gah [04:29] hey rob1, too [04:29] hi mdke [04:29] hi mdke [04:29] :) [04:29] rob1, how about we arrange a good meeting time now? === rob1 tries to eat hot meat pie and not spill on keyboard [04:30] mmmmm [04:31] I've already lost one keyboard to a cup of coffee [04:31] right now? [04:31] a few weeks ago [04:31] I lost one to a big cup of tea last year - burned my foot too... [04:32] I don't drink coffee or tea, so I'm must be safe [04:32] I lost one at work due to spag bowl [04:32] but my boss once lost a keyboard caused by 7-11 Big Gulp full of soda [04:32] robitaille: ha! water does quite nicely at kb killing [04:33] that's it; no water for me from now on! [04:33] so does cat pee - a friend lost a keyboard that way a few years ago :P [04:33] tomato paste is quite bad once it finds its way through [04:33] you guys are gourmet keyboard ruiners [04:34] bah only shows you guys dont leave your computers at all === rob1 just finished a glass of diet coke, at the bottom was a dried up milk ring.. yuck! [04:34] yuck indeed [04:35] mmmm, Dairy Coke [04:35] so can we talk meeting, or should I sleep? [04:35] sure [04:35] umm [04:35] what would be a good time for people? [04:35] what does it take to become the next cd cover model [04:35] hehe [04:35] I'm gonna be away between tomorrow and tuesday I think [04:36] otherwise I should be relatively free, within normal UTC daytime hours [04:36] 1400Z is OK, if it's the least-worst time for you folks in .au & elsewhere eastward [04:36] yeah this weekend will be busy for everyone I think [04:36] Date-wise, I'm not free until after the 26th [04:36] all that food and free time... [04:36] that's deadly [04:37] hmm I'm not around during the afternoon on the 27th, could make the evening though [04:38] could we make it on 1000z on 27th? [04:38] perhaps even late evening, if rob1 has wednesday morning free [04:38] evening which time zone? [04:38] rob1, ah that sounds good [04:38] might be made for MP tho [04:38] made/bad* [04:38] thats like 8pm for me [04:39] 1000Z is 0200 local I think [04:39] hmm [04:39] yes, it is... [04:39] i might still be away too [04:39] 22utc on 27th? [04:39] let's keep shooting times at each other [04:40] thats.. umm 8am on the 28th for me [04:40] evening UTC is no good, I always work afternoons [04:40] ah right [04:40] hmm [04:40] heh I don't wake up before 9am on holidays ;) [04:40] maybe next weekend... [04:41] why not just meet after the new year [04:41] hehe === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:41] except I'm sure my kids will get me up on christmas day at like 5am [04:41] hehe [04:41] Next weekends are Xmas & New Years, remember... [04:41] how expensive are kids in au during christmas [04:41] jsgotangco, very [04:42] like everyone of them are asking for a game console? [04:42] can any of the meeting agenda items be address by email? [04:42] nar I have an xbox, the new one isn't out here yet [04:42] mdke: most of them could, probably [04:42] and besides, I'd buy that for me [04:42] lol [04:42] Madpilot, i'd like that, but the threads I started before didn't go anywhere === jsgotangco is thinking of getting a PSP for himself [04:42] hey mpt, i wanted to ask, what's the status on AboutUbuntu? any mockup or anything? just curious [04:43] rob1, if we try email, do you promise to reply? :) [04:43] just like the bathurst racing car set and the remote control car I bought for.. umm.. my "son". [04:44] mdke, I haven't touched the code since UBZ, but I plan to finish it up during the Christmas~New-Year break [04:44] mdke, yeah email the list would be the best bet [04:44] rob1: do you at least allow your kids to *look* at your toys? :P [04:44] mpt, that would be awesome, what state is it in now? [04:44] Madpilot, I need someone to race againt on the slot car track! [04:44] rob1, ok, we'll try! [04:45] mdke, mostly working, except there's a stray backslash etc in the version number, Ctrl+W doesn't close the window, and there's no drag-and-drop yet [04:46] oh cool, got a screenshot or something? === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:54] mdke, not at the moment sorry, where I'm staying only has dialup, and my Ubuntu machine doesn't [04:54] mpt, np I'll look forward to seeing it anyway :) [04:54] -> sleep [04:55] oh jjesse, DocumentationTeam/News on the wiki needs some Kubuntu love, if you're around [04:56] i'll cover that [04:56] he'll be out for a week [04:57] ah bummer, thanks [04:57] you seem disappointed that i'm going to do it :) [04:57] no, disappointed that he's not around, he has been doing lots of work on the kubuntu side [04:57] but happy if you do it, of course [04:58] =) === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217cbd164.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-54-127-78.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop tries to bring the wiki server to its knees [05:52] doing what, exactly? [05:53] try to force it to give me RecentChanges for more than 90 days [05:54] why are you digging that deep? [05:54] to try and find pages that have not been touched since the wiki move [05:55] you really are bored, aren't you? :P [05:55] there's an OrphanPages macro too, if you want to go at it that way for old cruft... [05:55] not really, just a little stircrazy [05:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMacros <-- look for the AbandonedPages macro [05:56] yes, looking at that now [05:56] anyway, back later - shopping run... === Judax [n=Judax@adsl-69-149-116-11.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Judax [n=troy@adsl-69-149-116-11.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:54] well, I think I just killed our wiki server [06:55] hooray? [06:55] ? [06:56] I opened about 35 windows, each of which needs to be processed [06:56] in case you missed it, I am deleting pages [06:56] nah its working here [06:56] and moving UDU bofs to underneath UbuntuBelowZero [06:56] make that UDU [06:57] go nuts, I just fried my brain with a little bit of python, so I'm done doing anything useful for the day [06:57] rob1: what sort of pits of python and what for? [06:57] classes [06:58] ah [06:58] lots of pennies dropped here [06:59] suddenly reading other people code makes a lot more sense too [06:59] wow so you're learning python [07:00] I've been meaning to do so for about 2+ years [07:00] I have several books collecting dust, along with all my old mcse stuff [07:00] haha [07:01] my mcp just went to waste [07:01] well actually i wasted good money for that [07:01] jsgotangco: so did I [07:01] Burglaptop, wiki spammer :P [07:01] hey, it is a dirty job, but someone has to do it === rob1 kicked one of the msce folders full of books just a second ago, which cought the mouse cable and sent the mouse flying off my desk [07:02] jsgotangco: got any serious objections, or are you just throwing poo from the sidelines? [07:03] Burglaptop, hehe don't take it seriously =) [07:03] its not like i didnt know what .* will do in the first place =) [07:03] jsgotangco: ok. do shout if you see anything you think should be saved/not done [07:04] Burglaptop: you've produced 5 screens of RecentChanges stuff... my god! [07:04] yes you have a wiki monster for a brother [07:05] I am bored so I am doing something [07:05] wake up your gf? [07:06] no, my GF has friends over and the pain is too much for me to be able to be out with company right now [07:06] slap the salami? [07:06] rob1: ouch [07:06] so I am taking my pain out of the wiki [07:08] Madpilot: only 5 pages? [07:14] Burglaptop: OK, six now... [07:15] I might be able to make 10 by the time I go to sleep [07:15] but the wiki is being slow for me with these pages that take computational power [07:29] are you sure there's only 1 Corey burger doing those edits [07:29] hehe [07:29] yep === jsgotangco is just in awe of your concentration [07:30] one very very bored corey burger [07:30] thsi cleanup has needed to be done for a while [07:32] it's actually a BurgerBot :P [07:42] rob1, hmm i didnt know people magazine in au had naked chicks [07:49] my god the email notification comes in almost every 5 seconds heh [07:51] heh [07:51] you can send in photos of yourself and they will print them, chicks and guys [07:52] there are usually 3 to 4 pages of "home girls" at the back [07:52] I think you can win money or something too [07:52] "model citizens" [07:53] there are always a lot of backpacker chicks in there [07:53] jsgotangco: I am about to go to sleep [07:53] one of the guys at work had his girlfriend in there a few months ago, she was sitting on his car [07:54] jsgotangco: you're subscribed to the entire wiki? Insane... [07:54] ouch [07:55] People magazine in NA is a celebrity mag [07:55] hehe [07:55] heh [07:56] Dear Robert Thank you for emailing LG Electronics. Unfortunately you will need the remote control to remove the child lock. You can purchase a remote control from Statewide Appliances on 1800 005 220. I hope this has been of assistance Merry Christmas Karine LG Electronics [07:56] great, now how am I supposed to watch the pool instruction video? [07:56] bloody LG [07:56] hmm? [07:57] in the last two hours, there are have 2 edits that were not made by me [07:58] rob1: I'm intrigued - what do child locks & LG Elect. have to do with pool videos? [07:58] I lost the remote control to my VCR === rob1 wonders why they even bothered to put buttons on the vcr its self [07:59] ... and you've got something set so the offspring can't use the VCR unsupervised, that can only be removed w/ the remote? [08:00] yeah, its like that by default [08:00] apparently the vcr talks too.. [08:01] I wish it could tell me where the remote is [08:01] nice [08:01] talking appliances bug me... I always hear, "I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave." [08:03] Madpilot's computer says "Power on self test completed. Now booting operating system" [08:03] at least it doesn't say "Now booting Windows" [08:03] I used to have an intel mobo that did something like that [08:03] ... lovely ASUS bonus system :) [08:04] I wanted to reprogram it w/ HAL 9000s voice, but the ASUS voice editing apps are Windows only [08:04] given ASUSes attitude towards Linux/BSD, I am surprised it doesn't say [08:04] Windows [08:05] heh apparetly some guy has figured out how to run Linux as a Windows screensaver [08:06] mmm? [08:07] http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-scrnsave/ [08:08] WOW [08:08] very strange... so you get to look at a decent OS, but when you touch the mouse it goes back to Windows :P [08:08] some guy = IBM [08:09] no, there are screenshots [08:09] someone had lots of time in his hands [08:09] yeah not wrong [08:09] I wonder how useful this would be as a ready made demo? [08:09] we should publish an official Ubuntu one [08:10] ubuntu express will be exactly that, no reboot even! [08:10] yes, but the screensaver allows an even lower cost [08:10] well we do have a vmware image that can run on vmware player [08:11] jsgotangco, yes, but this way you don't even need vmware player [08:11] true you just provide an exe file [08:11] I wonder if it runs faster? [08:11] night all, I am done spamming your inboxes [08:11] night Burglaptop [08:12] night [08:13] heh it uses qemu [08:20] rob1, if you use vodaphone i can send you all the mobile stuff you want [08:20] hehe [08:20] incluing the pretty wallpapers you see in people [08:20] nup, don't have a mobile [08:20] dug [08:22] I hate people calling me when I'm doing stuff ;) [08:23] heh i built the mobilemojo.com machine === Madpilot does a wiki edit just to move some of the BurgerBot's edits off the page... :P === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-161-137.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === teroedni [n=teroedni@ti411310a080-1162.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-43-236.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-161-149.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:41] hmm Burgwork you moved the specs anyway? [12:43] what is UbuntuDownBelow? === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@haas.workdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:44] mdke: when you get a second, can you add releasenotes for dapper under the kubuntu work in progress? [02:45] jjesse, sure, it builds ok yeah? [02:45] yes sir, verifies and everything [02:45]