[12:25] <ilmari> where do I report bugs agains universe packages not listed in bugzilla or launchpad?
[12:25] <ilmari> s/agains/against/
[12:25] <crimsun_> ilmari: ask for their source names to be added. /join #launchpad
[12:25] <crimsun_> ilmari: then file the bug per usual
[12:26] <crimsun_> granted, most people are probably on holiday
[12:26] <ilmari> oh, it's been added snice last I checked
[12:26] <ilmari> (dhcdbd)
[12:36] <minghua> hi crimsun_, may I bug you to upload the scim-* rebuilds for me?
[12:37] <minghua> crimsun_: or if you are busy, I'm going to try asking other MOTUs
[12:37] <crimsun_> minghua: sure, which #s?
[12:39] <minghua> crimsun_: 5893, 5894, 5895, thanks
[12:40] <minghua> crimsun_: if you remember I said something about a bug for scim-uim, it is actually in uim, so scim-uim can be uploaded
[12:40] <crimsun_> ok.
[12:41] <crimsun_> sec.
[12:47] <crimsun_> minghua: is it intentional that #5895 has the debdiff for scim-chewing attached?
[12:48] <minghua> crimsun_: no.  apparently I screwed up :-(
[12:49] <minghua> crimsun_: can you generate the rebuild yourself, or you want to wait for my new debdiff?
[12:49] <minghua> crimsun_: I really tested it, I just pasted the wrong debdiff
[12:50] <crimsun_> minghua: I'll do it
[12:50] <minghua> crimsun_: thanks!
[01:08] <sistpoty> I'm off to bed now... gn8 everyone
[01:08] <crimsun_> night sistpoty
[01:48] <Psoriasis> I have a free software project here: www.freshmeat.net/projects/idjc that I would like you to consider for inclusion in the ubuntu distibution.  Thanks.
[01:48] <crimsun_> wiki/UniverseCandidates.
[01:50] <Psoriasis> Thanks.
[01:52] <lifeless> thats a really unpleasant irc name btw.
[01:52] <jsgotangco> especially in the morning while eathing breakfast
[02:06] <crimsun_> vlc ftbfs due to mozilla not having been updated to cope with the firefox-dev New World Order
[02:07] <crimsun_> this touches any package [!amd64]  that b-ds on mozilla-dev
[02:09] <Kyral> crimsun_: you uploaded a new VLC today right?
[02:09] <crimsun_> yes, but it ftbfs due to the issue I just stated.
[02:09] <crimsun_> I'd fix it, but I don't have main upload privs.
[02:10] <Kyral> it has another problem
[02:10] <crimsun_> what has what?
[02:10] <Kyral> VLC
[02:10] <Kyral> The following packages have unmet dependencies: vlc: Depends: libdbus-1-1 (>= 0.50) but it is not installable
[02:10] <crimsun_> that's not the underlying issue.
[02:10] <Kyral> oh
[02:11] <Kyral> Sorry then
[02:11] <crimsun_> a rebuild against the new dbus-transitioned libhal-dev would fix that, which is the entire reason I kicked it
[02:11] <Kyral> ah
[02:11] <crimsun_> however, it's the mozilla-dev screwage that's causing it to ftbfs
[02:11] <Kyral> ah
[03:17] <zul> heylo
[03:17] <Kyral> hey zul
[04:46] <minghua> apt-proxy stores the cached packages at /var/cache/apt-proxy, right?  (my /etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy-v2.conf says so)
[04:51] <hub_> hi
[04:51] <hub_> can someone unarchive libiptcdata?
[04:51] <hub_> it hasn't been uploaded
[05:54] <Burglaptop> do you guys need https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition anymore?
[05:54] <crimsun> no.
[05:55] <crimsun> we can probably make a Transitions hierarchy and stuff the info there
[05:55] <Burglaptop> page is dead
[05:55] <Burglaptop> do you want the information off of it?
[05:55] <crimsun> not necessary
[05:55] <Burglaptop> ok
[05:58] <minghua> any apt-proxy user here?
[05:58] <minghua> apt-proxy works fine for me, I'm just very curious where does it store the cached packages
[05:59] <hub_> Burglaptop: question. did you order large quantity of ubuntu cds?
[06:02] <Burglaptop> hub_: nope, why?
[06:02] <hub_> 'cause I get request a few buck of GST and $25 of fskcing broker fee
[06:02] <hub_> extorsion
[06:03] <hub_> so I was wondering what was others people situation
[06:03] <Burglaptop> hub_: my brother didn't get that
[06:04] <hub_> I get them end of october. received the bill yesterday
[06:17] <StevenK> minghua: /var/cache/apt-proxu
[06:17] <StevenK> Er, apt-proxy
[06:19] <minghua> StevenK: yeah, I thought so too (according to man page), but my /var/cache/apt-proxy is empty
[06:19] <minghua> but my download is still cached
[06:19] <minghua> which makes me even more curious
[06:27] <zakame> er are we in UVF now?
[06:27] <StevenK> I didn't think that was until next year?
[06:28] <Burglaptop> zakame: not yet
[06:28] <zakame> Burglaptop: cool, I got confused then, with what's in DeveloperResources
[06:29] <Burglaptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[06:29] <Burglaptop> January 19th
[06:30] <zakame> ooh k
[06:32] <minghua> Hmm, no after a reboot I lost my apt-proxy cache
[06:32] <minghua> something is wrong here
[06:48] <crimsun> oh wow, now that quod libet 0.16 supports mp4 and mpc, I have no reason to use rhythmbox at all
[06:48] <zakame> rocking, I was looking for an alt as well
[06:50] <minghua> okay, found the problem: exceptions.OSError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/var/cache/apt-proxy/debian'
[07:14] <prabu^> Hello al
[07:14] <prabu^> i created the ptlink ircd package
[07:27] <crimsun> yes?
[07:28] <prabu^> erm
[07:28] <prabu^> wait it dont work :S
[07:28] <prabu^> dh_installdocs
[07:28] <prabu^> cp: cannot stat `ChangeLog:': No such file or directory
[07:28] <prabu^> i get that :S
[07:28] <zakame> hm is libbonobomm1.3 not depending on libgtkmm2.0-1c2a yet?
[07:30] <crimsun> not yet.
[07:30] <zakame> waah, I couldn't build libbonobouimm1.3 ...
[07:30] <crimsun> prabu^: is it listed in .docs or something?
[07:31] <prabu^> ah yea
[07:32] <zakame> whoa libbonobomm1.3's in MoM, but not listed in sistpoty's
[07:32] <crimsun> just ask him to refresh later.
[07:33] <zakame> I better take that pkg too :)
[07:42] <prabu^> aha
[07:42] <prabu^> done
[07:42] <prabu^> so where do i submit the package for testing,etc ?
[07:43] <crimsun> REVU.
[07:44] <prabu^> i register by joining the list correct ?
[07:44] <crimsun> there are instructions on the REVU page
[08:31] <tseng> hi
[08:33] <crimsun> hi
[09:43] <JohnnyMast> slomo ?
[10:15] <dholbach> hellas motu wannabes and motus
[10:15] <lucas> hellas dholbach
[10:16] <dholbach> woohoo, another greek in here ;-)
[10:16] <lucas> (hellas others too)
[10:16] <lucas> well, my latin is a bit rusty
[10:16] <lucas> but something similar should work in latin :-)
[10:17] <dholbach> hihi
[10:33] <jpatrick> dholbach: ping
[10:35] <dholbach> jpatrick: pong
[10:36] <jpatrick> dholbach: my package has been vetoed
[10:36] <JohnnyMast> what does vetoed mean ?
[10:36] <dholbach> by whom? where?
[10:36] <jpatrick> forbidden
[10:36] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1277
[10:37] <jpatrick> should be easy to fix....
[10:37] <dholbach> yeah - i just thought that this was "just a debian package updated"
[10:38] <jpatrick> so did I
[10:38] <dholbach> however, i wondered, why you removed those makefile rules
[10:38] <jpatrick> I didn't
[10:38] <jpatrick> it was like that
[10:38] <dholbach> in the diff i saw that
[10:40] <jpatrick> not the first upload of it
[10:40] <dholbach> the one i checked yesterday anyways ;)
[10:41] <jpatrick> "(rules targets are not files)." <- what should I do about that?
[10:42] <JohnnyMast> thats just a sugestion i think, jpatrick i have it like you have as well
[10:42] <JohnnyMast> this is dh_make standard isnt it
[10:42] <dholbach> jpatrick: just look at the debian/rules from the original debian package
[10:43] <JohnnyMast> brb im gonna have a shower
[10:43] <jpatrick> dholbach: oh yeah it's there
[10:43] <jpatrick> must of missed it, oppss
[10:43] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[10:50] <jpatrick> reuploaded
[10:50] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1280
[11:21] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[11:34] <JohnnyMast> Gloubiboulga hi
[11:57] <jpatrick> someone around to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1281 ?
[11:58] <dholbach> jpatrick: will do so
[11:58] <dholbach> after i reviewed lfittl's packages
[11:58] <jpatrick> dholbach: thank you very much
[11:58] <dholbach> de rien
[12:31] <MasterC> hi
[12:31] <MasterC> I have problems with banshee and libdbus
[12:32] <MasterC> it requires libdbus-1-1, but its not installable
[12:32] <MasterC> only libdbus1-2 is available
[12:32] <MasterC> is this the right channel? :)
[12:32] <MasterC> oh, I am using dapper
[12:33] <dholbach> if you like the adventure you could just try to rebuild it :)
[12:34] <dholbach> sudo apt-get build-dep banshee && sudo apt-get source -b banshee
[12:34] <dholbach> and see what happens ;)
[12:34] <MasterC> okay, lets go :D
[12:34] <dholbach> (it might want to have dpkg-dev first)
[12:35] <MasterC> build-dep are not okay :-/
[12:35] <dholbach> what does it say?
[12:36] <MasterC> I only have the german message <g>
[12:36] <dholbach> fire away
[12:36] <MasterC> E: : Build-Abhngigkeit fr banshee konnte nicht erfllt werden.
[12:36] <dholbach> oh, seems like there's some meddling in debian/control involved as well
[12:36] <dholbach> the mono and media guys will hopefully poke at it soon
[12:36] <dholbach> you could have a look if there's a bug filed on malone already
[12:37] <MasterC> malone?
[12:38] <dholbach> http://launchpad.net/malone
[12:38] <dholbach> our bug tracker
[12:38] <dholbach> jpatrick: commented on it
[12:38] <dholbach> jpatrick: seems like you'll have to fix debian/rules or the upstream build system somehow
[12:38] <Nafallo> slomo_: ^ :-)
[12:39] <slomo_> Nafallo: thanks :)
[12:39] <slomo_> MasterC: i'll fix banshee later today... nothing to worry about :)
[12:39] <Nafallo> slomo_: you should hilight banshee ;-)
[12:39] <MasterC> this would be great :)
[12:39] <jpatrick> dholbach: what's the prob?
[12:39] <slomo_> MasterC: i didn't want to fix it with the current version but wanted to wait for the new one which was released yesterday
[12:40] <dholbach> jpatrick: see my comments - seems it doesnt install anything into the package apart from documentation
[12:40] <MasterC> ah, okay
[12:40] <jpatrick> dholbach: it should install a .desktop file
[12:41] <dholbach> Nafallo: including "transition" - that's the most useful hightlight to stay up to scratch ;)
[12:41] <dholbach> jpatrick: it doesnt install anything apart from documentation
[12:42] <dholbach> jpatrick: look at my comment
[12:42] <slomo_> hi dholbach :)
[12:42] <jpatrick> hmm..
[12:42] <dholbach> hellas slomo_
[12:43] <Nafallo> dholbach: hehe, I see those anyway when I care ;-)
[12:50] <dholbach> for the mono team: http://people.mmgsecurity.com/~lorenb/lat/releases/lat-0.8.1.tar.gz :)
[12:50] <StevenK> Is there anything else I can use to inspect a diff rather than less and diffstat?
[12:51] <StevenK> wine has a largish diff, and I don't want to read all 12,000 lines of it.
[12:51] <dholbach> if it's tremendously big, i usually do   grep -E ^"\-\-\-\ " bla.diff    to get an overview :)
[12:51] <StevenK> dholbach: That's what diffstat is for. :-)
[12:51] <dholbach> :)
[12:52] <jpatrick> dholbach: reuploaded
[12:52] <dholbach> jpatrick: will have a look
[12:52] <StevenK> The other problem is this diff touches a hell of a lot. :-/
[12:52] <dholbach> just upload it and see what the users have to say
[12:52] <dholbach> :-p
[12:52] <dholbach> that's good for decision making too ;)
[12:53] <StevenK> reverted:
[12:53] <StevenK> --- wine-0.9/loader/wine.man.in
[12:53] <StevenK> +++ wine-0.9.orig/loader/wine.man.in
[12:57] <slomo_> dholbach: xerxas wanted to package it but he has almost no time currently... and i'm currently packaging 3 other things ;)
[12:58] <dholbach> yeah, just as a heads up :)
[12:58] <dholbach> i know you (and the community) love all the mono crack :)
[12:59] <slomo_> well, currently i'm a bit pissed off by the ppc problems which seem to be a general buildd breakage... and everybody is on holidays now :/
[01:00] <dholbach> :-/
[01:01] <raphink> :(
[01:04] <jpatrick> dholbach: appears to work now :)
[01:05] <jpatrick> raphink: Riddell refused the pkg when it didn't have kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff
[01:05] <raphink> sure jpatrick
[01:05] <raphink> I don't say you shall not have it
[01:05] <raphink> I say you shall have a real diff
[01:05] <raphink> not the one Riddell made
[01:05] <dholbach> jpatrick: commented again
[01:06] <raphink> but the one that fits your own admin/cvs.sh
[01:10] <jpatrick> this could be the final -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1285
[01:12] <dholbach> jpatrick: please ask some kde guys to check it - i clearly have no expertise there
[01:19] <lfittl> dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1284
[01:20] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, do have think you could have a look at my packages?
[01:20] <raphink> I'm having a loko right now Gloubiboulga
[01:21] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, you're the best one ;)
[01:21] <raphink> du moins j'essaie
[01:21] <raphink> grer les conversations, le chroot et tout en meme temps c'est chaud
[01:22] <Gloubiboulga> :) d'o l'importance du multitache
[01:22] <raphink> le pb c'ets de savoir jusqu' quel point je suis multitache ;)
[01:22] <dholbach> raphink: quoi est chaud?
[01:22] <raphink> dholbach: c'est chaud, a veut dire que c'est( difficile
[01:24] <dholbach> ah cool, j'essaie de me souvenir de a ;)
[01:24] <raphink> :)
[01:24] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, do you learn french ?
[01:25] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: un petit peu seulement - mais j'ai dj lu Harry Potter 1-3 en franais :)
[01:25] <raphink> ouch
[01:25] <raphink> dholbach: pourquoi lire des livres amricains en franais ?
[01:25] <raphink> nous avons une littrature riche dans notre propre langue
[01:26] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, ton fanais semble dj trs bon
[01:26] <Gloubiboulga> franais*
[01:26] <dholbach> raphink: parce que je sais le text :)
[01:26] <raphink> huhu
[01:26] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: c'est parce que seb128 dit moi tous les erreurs je fait ;)
[01:27] <raphink> dholbach: c'est parceque seb128 _me signale toutes mes erreurs_
[01:28] <dholbach> raphink: merci beaucoup :)
[01:28] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: fini de rgler mon chroot dapper ici, je builde ton paquet ;)
[01:28] <Gloubiboulga> danke raphink :)
[01:30] <lfittl> dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1286
[01:30] <dholbach> raphink: j'ai lu quelque livres de Balzac, mais en allemand :)
[01:33] <lucas> ah cool, on va pouvoir parler francais ici !
[01:38] <raphink> lucas: :)
[01:40] <dholbach> lfittl: done
[01:41] <dholbach> les franais sont les seules gens qui just parlent leur propre langue :)
[01:41] <dholbach> est pas d'anglais :)
[01:42] <lfittl> dholbach: thanks :)
[01:42] <dholbach> c'est comme a en #ubuntu-desktop aussi :)
[01:43] <lucas> dholbach: ah ah ;)
[01:44] <Yagisan> slomo, or siretart - are you around ?
[01:44] <slomo_> Yagisan: yes :)
[01:44] <siretart> Yagisan: yes :)
[01:44] <siretart> hi slomo_ :) - morning Yagisan
[01:44] <Yagisan> great!
[01:45] <Yagisan> siretart, slomo_ which of you is more familiar with transcode ? I want to see if you can reproduce some odd behaviour
[01:46] <siretart> I did the last upload, yes, but I dont use transcode that much
[01:46] <thierry> ogra : you told me my package didn't installed (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1265) how do I know if it installs or not, and what do I do to fix it
[01:46] <thierry> ?
[01:47] <slomo_> Yagisan: me neither... the last time i used it was about 2 years ago ;)
[01:47] <slomo_> Yagisan: what behaviour?
[01:47] <Yagisan> siretart, slomo_: OK, on a 2GHz amd64 system (64bit mode), completely idle except for transcode, it starts transcoding dvds at 20fps
[01:48] <Yagisan> but by the next morning it is only doing 0.3fps
[01:48] <Yagisan> with no other load on the system, and no changes to transcode
[01:48] <slomo_> hm, reminds me of thoggen ;)
[01:48] <siretart> sounds strange
[01:48] <Yagisan> siretart, slomo: if you stop it and start it again, it goes back to full speed
[01:49] <slomo_> hmm
[01:49] <Yagisan> siretart, slomo: It's odd, and annoying as my p2-300 does 1.5fps
[01:49] <raphink> rappelle moi pour libflu Gloubiboulga je dois y aller l
[01:50] <Yagisan> siretart, slomo: quick way to reproduce it is install dvdrip, set up a single system cluster, and encode a dvd overnight
[01:50] <siretart> raphink: a qui tu escrit?
[01:50] <raphink> siretart:  Gloubiboulga ;)
[01:50] <siretart> Yagisan: I'll put that on my list, okay
[01:51] <slomo_> Yagisan: hm, please file a bug in malone about it
[01:52] <Gloubiboulga> ok raphink merci pour jargon
[01:53] <Yagisan> sireatert: thanks,    slomo_: sure, just wanted to see if either of the other MOTUmedia members I know had noticed it
[01:53] <siretart> ;)
[01:54] <dholbach> siretart: nice one
[01:54] <dholbach> two new packages for Universe (ok, they're in NEW first) ;)
[01:55] <Gloubiboulga> what is the process when a package has been advocated twice on REVU?
[01:55] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: somebody uploads it :)
[01:56] <Gloubiboulga> no, really ? ;)
[01:56] <dholbach> every new binary packages has to be reviewed by our ftpmaster, so it's in NEW for a while
[01:56] <dholbach> then it hopefully biulds and hits the archive
[01:56] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[01:57] <dholbach> over christmas this should take a bit longer
[01:57] <dholbach> but usually it's done within 2-3 days
[01:59] <slomo_> hm, let's file some ITP :)
[01:59] <dholbach> ttb and dvdstyler are up
[02:00] <pkern> elmo's on holidays, who's in charge currently? ;)
[02:00] <dholbach> nobody
[02:03] <dredg> anarchy!
[02:07] <pkern> heh ;)
[02:23] <thierry> How can I test if my package install or not??
[02:23] <pkern> piuparts perhaps ;)
[02:28] <slomo_> or install them ;)
[02:29] <thierry> slomo_ : ogra says my package doesn't install but I get Unpacking libfxscintilla1.6 (from libfxscintilla1.6_1.63-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[02:29] <thierry> Setting up libfxscintilla1.6 (1.63-0ubuntu1) ...
[02:29] <thierry> thierry@modemcable050:~/dev$
[02:30] <slomo_> hmm... ask ogra :)
[02:30] <thierry> slomo_ : yeah but ogra not responding
[02:31] <thierry> slomo_ : the build logs and package is there http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1265
[02:32] <dholbach> slomo_, thierry: ogra said he'd be out for getting christmas presents for some 3h ago
[02:32] <lfittl> dholbach: did a small update on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1289 please advocate again :)
[02:35] <raphink> dholbach: could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1255 please?
[02:35] <ogra> dholbach, no presents :)
[02:35] <raphink> or slomo_ maybe ;)
[02:35] <slomo_> dholbach: can you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1290 ? :)
[02:35] <slomo_> i'll take raphink's package then
[02:35] <dholbach> lfittl: done
[02:35] <ogra> dholbach, i only picked up my 12" ibook :)
[02:35] <raphink> thanks slomo_ :)
[02:36] <dholbach> slomo_: righto
[02:36] <dholbach> ogra: i see
[02:36] <slomo_> ogra: good choice :)
[02:36] <Nafallo> we have something on the wiki about dchroots? ;-)
[02:36] <raphink> yep Nafallo
[02:36] <ogra_> slomo, i need a testing device for edubuntu ppc :)
[02:36] <raphink> Nafallo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[02:37] <Nafallo> raphink: thanks :-)
[02:37] <ogra_> but this osX chatsoftware is a bit odd
[02:37] <slomo_> ogra_: do you have an airport extreme in there? :)
[02:37] <ogra_> sadly, yes
[02:37] <slomo_> ogra_: os x _is_ weird ;)
[02:37] <slomo_> try the bcm43xx drivers... they should work without wep and with software wep (i.e. wpa supplicant magic)
[02:38] <ogra_> i think it does some things right, but ubuntu feels lots better
[02:38] <ogra_> hmm, this keyxboiard is cool
[02:38] <ogra_> i just have to get used to it#
[02:39] <slomo_> raphink: the removal of svn-commit.tmp didn't work... don't worry about it :)
[02:39] <ogra_> slomo, thanks !
[02:39] <raphink> slomo_: hmm ok
[02:40] <slomo_> raphink: uh... perfect until now :)
[02:40] <raphink> :)
[02:40] <thierry> ogra_ : if you have a little bit of spare time while installing driver or something, could you explain me why my package (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1265) doesn't install? I'm using cdbs, it should install no?
[02:41] <dholbach> ogra_: you still do typos, so it's nothing about the keyboard quality ;)
[02:41] <ogra_> thierry, dholbach is the cdbs god in here
[02:41] <dholbach> is he?
[02:41] <ogra_> dholbach, hey, i'm only using this thing since 10min
[02:41] <slomo_> only as long as jbailey isn't in here :)
[02:42] <raphink> thierry: did you make sure the lib is built in debian/tmp?
[02:42] <thierry> dholbach : could you take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1265 ? It doesn't install and I don't understand why
[02:42] <dholbach> thierry: right, will look
[02:42] <thierry> thanks
[02:50] <dholbach> thierry_eating: missing build dep on libxt-dev
[02:52] <dholbach> thierry_eating: i meant libxft-dev
[02:55] <dholbach> thierry_eating: uh strange: libfox1.4-dev already depends on libxft-dev
[02:56] <slomo_> raphink: hm, perfect :)
[02:56] <raphink> nothing is ever perfect slomo_ ;)
[02:57] <raphink> it can just get close to some standards ;)
[02:58] <Yagisan> I've just been looking at my stats on launchpad, and I've noticed I've been allocated karma. Does karma have a use ?
[02:58] <dholbach> thierry_eating: seems it's a libxft-dev bug - they don't seem to ship a libXft.la
[02:59] <thierry_eating> dholbach : k... so do I add libxft-dev as deps anyway? could it solve the problem?
[02:59] <dholbach> it doesnt
[02:59] <dholbach> you should ping daniels
[02:59] <dholbach> libxft (2.1.8.2-0ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low
[02:59] <dholbach>   * New upstream release.
[02:59] <dholbach>   * Repackaged to fit all the other X packages.
[02:59] <dholbach>   * Stop shipping libXft.la.
[02:59] <dholbach>  -- Daniel Stone <daniel.stone@ubuntu.com>  Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:13:31 +1100
[03:00] <dholbach> thierry_eating: and i don't see a workaround just yet, apart from fixing libxft
[03:01] <dholbach> thierry_eating: sorry for not being of more assistance
[03:02] <thierry_eating> dholbach : big thanks anyway, otherwise I could have spent day trying to understand what I did wrong :)
[03:02] <dholbach> thierry_eating: no, as i said, just write daniels a mail or file a bug on it
[03:02] <thierry_eating> dholbach : and what do I say to daniels? "You should restart shipping libXft.la?
[03:03] <thierry_eating> k
[03:03] <dholbach> i don't see the obvious reason for not shipping it
[03:03] <thierry_eating> k
[03:03] <thierry_eating> but then what do I tell him?
[03:03] <thierry_eating> ok ok sorry
[03:04] <Riddell> Yagisan: karma gets you girls
[03:04] <dholbach> thierry_eating: just tell him, that your build fails without it
[03:04] <Riddell> dholbach, thierry_eating: what fails about it?
[03:04] <dholbach> thierry_eating: you may even ask him to explain
[03:04] <Riddell> you probably just need to rebuild whatever library is still expecting libXft.la
[03:04] <dholbach> /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=link g++  -W -Wall -DFOX -DSCI_LEXER  -g -Wall -O2   -o test  test.o -L/usr/local/lib ../src/libfxscintilla.la   -lFOX-1.4
[03:04] <dholbach> mkdir .libs
[03:04] <dholbach> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXft.la'
[03:04] <dholbach> make[2] : *** [test]  Error 1
[03:05] <dholbach> the file is simply not shipped with the package any more
[03:05] <slomo_> FOX-1.4 most probably needs a rebuild
[03:05] <Yagisan> Riddell: That's great news, but my wife will be pissed to hear that.
[03:05] <Riddell> grep libXft.la /usr/lib/*la  shows libraries that still expect it and need rebuilt
[03:05] <Riddell> probably that FOX one needs rebuilt
[03:06] <dholbach> thierry_eating: you could try that
[03:06] <thierry_eating> dholbach : rebuilding FOX-1.4 ? like just taking dapper source and do "sudo debuild" ?
[03:07] <raphink> Riddell: do you have some time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1255 please?
[03:07] <Riddell> don't use sudo!  use fakeroot!
[03:07] <raphink> hi by the way :)
[03:07] <Riddell> hi raphink, I'll try and find time in an hour
[03:07] <raphink> ok
[03:07] <dholbach> use PBUILDER
[03:07] <raphink> Riddell: it's a small package using cdbs
[03:08] <raphink> so quite fast to review :)
[03:08] <Riddell> thierry_eating: yes (but you shouldn't need sudo)
[03:08] <thierry_eating> dholbach , ridell : ok, then what? I send the package to REVU?
[03:09] <raphink> slomo_: any time for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1000 aswell ? :)
[03:09] <dholbach> thierry_eating: just try it
[03:09] <Yagisan> thierry_eating: you're not really eating are you ;)
[03:09] <Riddell> thierry_eating: then you install the new FOX, tighten the build-dep of whatever you're actually trying to compile to require the new FOX and see if it works, if it does upload both to revu
[03:09] <slomo_> raphink: remind me in 15 minutes please :)
[03:10] <raphink> slomo_: sure
[03:10] <thierry> Ridell : k, but what do you mean by " tighten the build-dep" ?
[03:12] <pkern> Why does packages.u.c show gobby 0.3.0-1ubuntu1 in dapper, but it's not on the mirrors?
[03:12] <dholbach> pkern: the packages or the source?
[03:12] <dholbach> thierry: in debian/control make sure that the build-depends are versioned high enough to enforce the newest version of fox
[03:13] <thierry> k
[03:14] <pkern> dholbach: Hm ok they are. Probably just the changelogs lag behind. And the patches in scott's repository... Sorry.
[03:15] <dholbach> pkern: so it's christmas time for you already! :-)
[03:16] <pkern> dholbach: lol ;)
[03:16] <dholbach> raphink: why did you repackage the tarball?
[03:16] <dholbach> raphink: of austart
[03:16] <dholbach> raphink: of autostart
[03:16] <raphink> what do you mean?
[03:16] <pkern> Christmas time would be a backport to breezy or so ;)
[03:16] <pkern> Or a move of Gobby into Ubuntu main
[03:17] <pkern> :P
[03:17] <raphink> what do you mean dholbach ?
[03:17] <dholbach> raphink: the md5sums don't match
[03:17] <raphink> huh?
[03:17] <dholbach> pkern: talk to the backports team - if the build-depends of it are sufficient in breezy, they might consider it
[03:18] <dholbach> raphink:
[03:18] <dholbach> 46af2a8c7812199d9ff3c25b45581af8  autostart-0.1.tar.gz
[03:18] <dholbach> 7577f084033ca2db2387d99238697ea6  kcontrol-autostart_0.1.orig.tar.gz
[03:18] <raphink> hmm
[03:18] <raphink> I renamed the source folder
[03:18] <dholbach> just  'mv'  it
[03:18] <dholbach> and you're fine
[03:18] <raphink> yes that's what I did
[03:18] <dholbach> pkern: ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:18] <dholbach> raphink: not the directory, but the .tar.gz
[03:19] <dholbach> so don't make a 'new .tar.gz'
[03:19] <raphink> dholbach: the directory needs to be named by $package-$version
[03:19] <dholbach> yeah
[03:19] <raphink> so I had to mv it
[03:19] <dholbach> that's right
[03:19] <raphink> hmm
[03:19] <raphink> oh ok
[03:19] <dholbach> i suppose you ran tar cfz afterwards
[03:19] <raphink> so I just extract the original tarball
[03:19] <raphink> then mv the folder
[03:19] <dholbach> yeah
[03:20] <raphink> but keep it the way it is in the orig.tar.gz ?
[03:20] <dholbach> and mv the tarball, you should be fine then
[03:20] <dholbach> so    mv autostart-0.1.tar.gz  kcontrol-autostart_0.1.orig.tar.gz
[03:20] <raphink> so there source folder won't be named the same way in the debian package and in the orig.tar.gz ...
[03:21] <dholbach> dpkg-dev is clever enough to figure that out
[03:21] <raphink> ok
[03:21] <raphink> I'll do that
[03:21] <dholbach> the problem is: if you repackage the .tar.gz - the timestamp will suffice to get the md5sum different
[03:21] <dholbach> and that makes syncing from debian a pain
[03:21] <dholbach> we will alaways have different .tar.gz
[03:22] <Hieronymus> Is there a policy for version numbers from CVS?
[03:22] <raphink> ic
[03:22] <dholbach> that's why i hate meddling with .orig.tar.gz so much, no matter how many CVS/ or debian/ directories it contains
[03:22] <jpatrick> raphink: I want to hear what Riddell has to say about the kdepot.diff thingy
[03:22] <dholbach> Hieronymus: not really - just make sure, the next upstream version is bigger ;)
[03:22] <raphink> sure jpatrick
[03:22] <Hieronymus> I see 0.0+cvsYYYYMMDD but also 0.0.cvsYYYYMMDD
[03:22] <slomo_> Hieronymus: no... but most people add a +cvsYYYYMMDD to the last version
[03:22] <dholbach> Hieronymus: how every you like it
[03:22] <raphink> jpatrick: I just say your patch _can't_ work
[03:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: what's the issue?
[03:23] <jpatrick> Riddell: last two comments at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1285
[03:23] <dholbach> raphink: and btw: there's a new upstream version out
[03:23] <raphink> dholbach: really?
[03:23] <raphink> :s
[03:23] <jpatrick> raphink: I told you
[03:23] <dholbach> raphink: which you will have to repackage (it's tar.bz2)
[03:23] <raphink> good :)
[03:23] <dholbach> raphink: so apart from that, i'm fine
[03:24] <raphink> hehe
[03:24] <dholbach> raphink: package the 0.2 and we'll get it into NEW
[03:24] <raphink> argh
[03:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: does that patch apply?
[03:24] <raphink> dholbach: I'll package new upstream version then
[03:24] <raphink> sure
[03:24] <dholbach> raphink: ROCK'N'ROLL
[03:24] <jpatrick> Riddell: i debian/rules - yes
[03:24] <jpatrick> in*
[03:25] <Riddell> if it applies cleanly that's fine, if not that's broken
[03:25] <raphink> dholbach: as I'm retarballing the new upstream version, shall I rename the folder in it ? or shall I keep it as such and just create a tar.gz from the source?
[03:25] <zakame> evening all :)
[03:26] <raphink> Riddell: I'm surprised it applies cleanly, since the patch doesn't fit the file
[03:26] <zakame> raphink: make a note of it in debian/changelog
[03:26] <Yagisan> slomo_: would you mind giving me your opinion on #6003 and #6004. It's non-intrusive, but alas, I can't upload it.
[03:26] <raphink> zakame: good idea :)
[03:26] <slomo_> malone bug 6003
[03:26] <dholbach> raphink: doesn't matter, however you like it
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #6003: Changed CFLAGS for a speed increase. In: transcode (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Media Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/6003
[03:26] <slomo_> malone bug 6004
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #6004: Changed CFLAGS for a speed increase. In: xvidcore (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Media Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/6004
[03:26] <dholbach> raphink: dpkg-dev is clever enough to figure it out
[03:27] <raphink> oki
[03:27] <slomo_> Yagisan: i'll do them after merging and fixing avahi
[03:27] <Yagisan> slomo_: thanks, there were no regressions on the p2 box I have, and it should be fine for ppc
[03:28] <Yagisan> slomo_: I do wish it did speed up the old boxes, but I like any speed increase on the new ones too
[03:30] <slomo_> Yagisan: err... we don't want -fomit-frame-pointer... it makes debugging almost impossible on x86 at least... and in addition to -ffast-math it's probably better to use -fno-unsafe-math or how this switch was called
[03:33] <jpatrick> raphink: I am so confused....
[03:33] <Yagisan> slomo_, I'm aware of that, but that extra register on x86 is a speedup. Build it with 'noopt'  for a debugging build
[03:33] <dholbach> lucas, siretart: going to upload motutools
[03:33] <raphink> jpatrick: i'm sorry about you being confused. I'd say you should listen to Riddell, although I still think the patch should match your file in particular.
[03:34] <raphink> ;)
[03:34] <slomo_> Yagisan: i know... did you measure the improvement?
[03:34] <lucas> dholbach: wait
[03:34] <lucas> I'll do that
[03:34] <jpatrick> raphink: I think the patch should add the lines when run in debian/rules
[03:34] <lucas> maybe I'll rename before
[03:34] <Yagisan> slomo_: yes, from 4fps on a duron 850 to 6.5fps with the same source
[03:34] <dholbach> lucas: hm?
[03:35] <raphink> jpatrick: if you think so and Riddell is ok with it, that's fine...
[03:35] <lucas> seb128 proposed to generalize the approach to all debian derivates
[03:35] <lucas> instead of ubuntu-only
[03:35] <lucas> so the name might change to "multidistrotools" or sthing like that
[03:35] <slomo_> Yagisan: sounds nice... can you assign the bugs to me (slomo)? i'll do them later today or tomorrow then... but what do you think about the math stuff?
[03:35] <Yagisan> slomo_: actually -mfpmath=sse would help those packages, but that doesn't work if you don't have an sse chip
[03:36] <dholbach> lucas: i think it's nothing wrong with having the 'origin' in the name, but as ever you like
[03:36] <slomo_> Yagisan: yes... -march=pentium4 would help too if you have a pentium4... ;)
[03:36] <lucas> I'll think about it during the holidays, so we can upload in early february
[03:36] <lucas> s/february/january
[03:36] <lucas> (that's why holidays are needed ;p)
[03:37] <dholbach> lucas: better be quick - i'm not sure what / how we do about UVF
[03:37] <Yagisan> slomo_: actually, after -march=i686 I didn't get an improvement on either the duron or my amd64 (in 32bit mode)
[03:37] <lucas> january 14th ?
[03:37] <dholbach> can somebody who understands something about licenses have a look at hugin?
[03:37] <zakame> hugin?
[03:37] <Yagisan> slomo_: I haven't seen any errors with -ffast-math enable either
[03:37] <Yagisan> s/enable/enabled
[03:38] <lucas> dholbach: seb128 also proposed to sponsor a debian upload if the name changes, so we can get it though a sync
[03:38] <raphink> huh
[03:38] <dholbach> lucas: fine with me too
[03:38] <lucas> if it's not ubuntu-specific, it might be better
[03:38] <raphink> Riddell: in kcontrol-autostart, admin/cvs.sh has been removed in new usptream version ....
[03:38] <Yagisan> slomo_: but there may be corner cases where you might get a different result. i386 core has hand tuned assembler though
[03:39] <Yagisan> slomo_: It's more of a win on amd64 which has less hand tuning (and maybe ppc as well)
[03:39] <raphink> dholbach: new upstream of autostart has been totally changed. It now uses python and scons. The package is _totally_ different.
[03:40] <raphink> :(
[03:41] <jpatrick> raphink: hmm.... python....
[03:41] <slomo_> Yagisan: ok... i'll keep it in mind :) please assign these bugs to me
[03:42] <raphink> well the soft is cpp but some config files are in python
[03:42] <dholbach> raphink: you'd have to change that anyway soon :/
[03:43] <raphink> I don't feel like working on it from scratch right now
[03:43] <raphink> if upstream plans to change that all again soon
[03:43] <raphink> i'll wait for a more stable version
[03:43] <raphink> I don't want to package stuff that totally change by the week
[03:44] <Yagisan> slomo_: done. I look forward to testing -frename-registers on these packages when it is fixed in gcc
[03:44] <raphink> + autostart 0.2 doesn't build on my syste
[03:44] <raphink> system
[03:44] <esculapius> hi
[03:44] <esculapius> raphink
[03:44] <raphink> hi esculapius
[03:45] <zakame> yellow esculapius
[03:45] <esculapius> why yellow?
[03:46] <Yagisan> yeah + hello
[03:46] <esculapius> ahhhhhhhhhh
[03:46] <raphink> because it can be a nice colour
[03:46] <raphink> :)
[03:46] <esculapius> if you have a liver failure ;)
[03:46] <dholbach> raphink: even with scons and all the other crack installed?
[03:46] <raphink> yep
[03:46] <zakame> haha
[03:47] <dholbach> raphink: what does the build failure say?
[03:47] <Yagisan> I notice that is used a lot in b-grade movies that pop up a 2am as filler, usually said by some teenager before an accident
[03:47] <raphink> scons: *** Dependency cycle: autostart/doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> autostart/doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/autostart/index.cache.bz2 -> install
[03:47] <raphink> File "/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Taskmaster.py", line 292, in _find_next_ready_node
[03:47] <raphink> make: *** [install]  Erreur 2
[03:48] <esculapius> anyone knows how to change the decimal separator from comma to dot, not only for openoffice but for all the application that are running under linux? I mean Cross-Over dependent too.
[03:48] <dholbach> raphink: i'd whack upstream for that ;)
[03:48] <raphink> dholbach: I'll wait
[03:49] <raphink> ;)
[03:49] <dholbach> raphink: talk to them
[03:49] <dholbach> raphink: meanwhile we can get the 'old' version in
[03:49] <raphink> as it goes, they migth move to automake next week
[03:49] <raphink> and reprogram everything in ada in a month
[03:49] <jpatrick> raphink: rofl
[03:49] <raphink> sure dholbach
[03:50] <raphink> jpatrick: heh ;)
[03:50] <dholbach> raphink: you uploaded the 'fine' tarball? ;)
[03:50] <esculapius> anyone knows?
[03:50] <raphink> worst would be if they moved to fortran 77
[03:50] <raphink> although I doubt so ;)
[03:50] <dholbach> raphink: i'll upload the package straightaway, if you do that
[03:50] <raphink> dholbach: nope, caues I began to work on 0.2 and failed
[03:50] <jpatrick> raphink: It'll be a problem because there are no Qt/KDE bindings for Ada/Fortran 77
[03:50] <raphink> ok
[03:51] <raphink> then i'll just rename the tarball
[03:51] <raphink> yes jpatrick I know ;)
[03:53] <raphink> uploading the requested changes dholbach ... hopefully I didn't mess it up in the middle of it ... ;)
[03:53] <raphink> i'd check the debdiff to be sure
[03:53] <dholbach> raphink: hehe, we'll see
[03:53] <dholbach> (hope you rebuilt the source package ;))
[03:53] <raphink> that's all I did
[03:53] <esculapius> anyone knows?
[03:53] <raphink> mv
[03:54] <raphink> esculapius: i'm not sure this is the right place to ask that though
[03:55] <raphink> this is a development chatroom, not really a user help one
[03:55] <esculapius> ok
[03:55] <raphink> ask on #ubuntu rather
[03:56] <raphink> dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1292
[03:56] <raphink> hop
[03:56] <raphink> same md5sum and debdiff void
[03:56] <raphink> I'll work on new upstream soon enough, but not right now
[03:59] <dholbach> raphink: uploaded
[03:59] <raphink> thanks :)
[03:59] <thierry> dholbach : how did you manage to get the dholbach libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXft.la'
[03:59] <thierry> dholbach make[2] : *** [test]  Error 1 error?
[04:00] <dholbach> thierry: i just built it in an uptodate dapper pbuilder
[04:00] <thierry> dholbach : you built libfox1.4 or libfxscintilla1.6 ?
[04:00] <dholbach> the latter
[04:01] <thierry> k...
[04:05] <zakame> awww
[04:06] <Yagisan> dholbach's dog -> peoplewalk ;)
[04:26] <thierry> I need to build with pbuilder a package that needs an other package I just built with pbuilder... how do I do that?
[04:26] <zakame> gn8
[04:27] <thierry> forget it, it's ok
[04:38] <Gloubiboulga> Someone could give me a link to merge scripts (lpbugs & co) ?
[04:48] <lucas> google for "motu-tools"
[04:50] <Gloubiboulga> thanks lucas
[04:51] <Gloubiboulga> just found it
[04:51] <Gloubiboulga> (and I bookmarked the page, but didn't remembered it :/)
[04:57] <lucas> merry christmas everybody
[04:57] <lucas> see you in 2006
[05:22] <bmonty> morning everyone
[05:23] <dholbach> hey bmonty :)
[05:24] <bmonty> hi dholbach
[05:25] <dholbach> how are you?
[05:30] <slomo_> re
[05:30] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1291 please ?
[05:31] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: i'll take a look :)
[05:31] <Gloubiboulga> thanks slomo_ :)
[05:35] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: later
[05:35] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: but i will do so
[05:35] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: hmm, better use english description :)
[05:36] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, yep, wasn't sure about the french description
[05:36] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, thanks
[05:37] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: same for the manpage
[05:38] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: and it shows some weird chars in the author section of the manpage
[05:39] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, french accents are a real problem ;)
[05:39] <slomo_> german umlauts too ;)
[05:40] <Gloubiboulga> English is really great
[05:40] <dholbach> it's boooring :)
[05:41] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: "-Wl,-z,defs" <--- isn't this more for LDFLAGS?
[05:42] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: instead of mkdir you could put the dirs in debian/$packagename.dirs
[05:42] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: but you need to call dh_installdirs somewhere for that
[05:43] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: and instead of copying the files with cp everywhere you could use dh_install
[05:43] <Gloubiboulga> slomo yep...
[05:43] <Gloubiboulga> it's my first package :)
[05:43] <Gloubiboulga> s/grap/grab
[05:43] <slomo_> either by calling dh_install source destination or by using debian/$packagename.install files
[05:44] <slomo_> np, it's better than my first package :)
[05:46] <slomo_> why don't you use make install btw?
[05:46] <Gloubiboulga> To build 2 packages, but I can use $package.install files instead I guess
[05:47] <slomo_> yes
[05:47] <Gloubiboulga> I'll do this
[05:48] <slomo_> call make install and make sure that everything lands in... say... debian/tmp (debian/tmp/usr/bin, etc...)
[05:48] <slomo_> then you have a debian/jargoninformatique.install file with one directory/file per line, relative to the top of the source tree
[05:49] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, thanks
[05:49] <slomo_> for example you put debian/tmp/usr/bin in there
[05:49] <slomo_> hmm... and you could look at man dh_install or other packages :)
[05:50] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, yes I know how it works now, I didn't when I built this package
[05:50] <slomo_> oh ok :)
[05:50] <Gloubiboulga> but thanks anyway :)
[05:51] <slomo_> notify me when you have the next version uploaded :)
[05:51] <slomo_> any why do you rename the binary?
[05:51] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[05:51] <Gloubiboulga> because of the capital letters
[05:51] <Gloubiboulga> I had to look in /usr/bin to use the software when I installed it
[05:52] <slomo_> hm... better make a link
[05:52] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[05:52] <slomo_> abiword does the same for example :)
[05:52] <slomo_> /usr/bin/abiword -> AbiWord-2.4
[06:04] <lfittl> slomo_: Do you have time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1282 ?
[06:24] <thierry> dholbach : ok, the problem really was that libfox1.4 needed a rebuild... now, what do I do? doing "dch -i" and sending libfox1.4 to revu?
[06:25] <dholbach> yeah get some uploads under your belt
[06:25] <slomo_> thierry: give me the changelog diff and i upload the rebuild for you :)
[06:27] <thierry> slomo_ : how do I get the diff and email or pastebin?
[06:28] <slomo_> *shrug* whatever you like :)
[06:28] <thierry> slomo_ : k what's your e-mail
[06:28] <slomo_> slomo@ubuntu.com
[06:31] <thierry> slomo_ : sent
[06:33] <thierry> slomo_ : is it ok?
[06:33] <slomo_> didn't arrive yet :)
[06:35] <slomo_> yes, it's ok
[06:38] <slomo_> thierry: katie will talk to you soon :)
[06:49] <slomo_> thierry: you should ask elmo to add your email address to katie's whitelist :)
[06:53] <thierry> slomo_ : who's katie?
[06:54] <slomo_> thierry: the script that pulls the uploads from incoming and puts then in NEW or somewhere for the buildds to pick up... and writes the mail to -changes
[06:55] <thierry> slomo_ : k thanks
[07:46] <MasterC> hi
[07:52] <Gloubiboulga> hi MasterC
[08:02] <Gloubiboulga> lintian doesn't like french guys...
[08:03] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: the manpage?
[08:04] <Gloubiboulga> yes, but I can't change it:  spelling-error-in-description french French
[08:04] <Gloubiboulga> 'French' is used at the beginning of the description
[08:07] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, sorry, it's not about the manpage...
[08:08] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: oh... hmm, i would ignore this warning :)
[08:09] <tseng> hm do we auto sync NEW packages?
[08:09] <tseng> from debian
[08:09] <slomo> sometimes
[08:09] <slomo> ;)
[08:09] <tseng> lighttpd just went to unstable
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, the new package is on REVU (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1294)
[08:12] <raphink> oui en anglais c'est mieux
[08:13] <raphink> je suis d'accord
[08:13] <Gloubiboulga> j'hsitais, je n'hsite plus ;)
[08:15] <raphink> ta manire de consrever config.h est originale ;)
[08:15] <raphink> mais a doit fonctionner ;)
[08:15] <raphink> a fait un peu bricolage quoi
[08:15] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, comment faire autrement ?
[08:15] <raphink> tu pourrais le virer dans le clean
[08:16] <raphink> et le rgnrer dans le pre-build
[08:16] <raphink> ou dans le makebuilddir
[08:17] <raphink> sinon a me parait pas mal :)
[08:17] <Gloubiboulga> :) j'en ai appris des choses avec ce paquet...
[08:17] <raphink> je veux bien le croire ;)
[08:18] <raphink> aujourd'hui j'ai t embter les vendeurs  PC City
[08:18] <raphink> savoir combien cotait un portable sans les logiciels ;)
[08:19] <Gloubiboulga> ils en font ? ou ils t'ont regard avec des gros yeux ?
[08:19] <ogra_ibook> slomo, ping
[08:20] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: ben j'ai insist alors le type a appel le chef du magasin
[08:20] <raphink> et l
[08:20] <raphink> ben en fait le chef du magasin tait un linuxien!
[08:20] <raphink> et il m'a donn des adresses pour avoir un portable sur mesure, certifi compatible linux
[08:20] <slomo> ogra: pong
[08:21] <raphink> alors je pouvais difficilement lui gueuler dessus
[08:21] <ogra_ibook> slomo, any hint where to get the firmware ?
[08:21] <ogra_ibook> for bcm43xx that is
[08:21] <slomo> ogra_ibook: yes... from your os x partition :) but i could send it to you... ogra@ubuntu.com ?
[08:21] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[08:22] <ogra_ibook> slomo, gah, i just wiped osX
[08:22] <Tonio_> yop
[08:22] <Tonio_> fait chier je recois pas assez de spam............
[08:22] <ogra_ibook> slomo, could you mail it ?
[08:22] <Tonio_> chier, chier chier
[08:22] <slomo> sure
[08:22] <ogra_ibook> thanks :)
[08:22] <raphink> Tonio_: keske tu as reu?
[08:22] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[08:22] <Tonio_> raphink: on kubuntu-fr, more appropriate :)
[08:24] <slomo> ogra_ibook: mail sent :) you need to get fwcutter from the bcm43xx homepage to extract the files from it
[08:24] <ogra_ibook> oki
[08:24] <ogra_ibook> thanks a lot :)
[08:28] <slomo> np
[08:41] <ogra_> yay
[08:42] <ogra_> slomo, thanks again, works fine :)
[08:42] <slomo> ogra_: with or without wep? :)
[08:43] <ogra_> my next neighbor lives out of range ;) i dont use any encryption out here
[08:44] <slomo> which version of the driver do you use? because latest svn doesn't work for me anymore :(
[08:44] <ogra_> the one shipped with the kernel ...
[08:45] <ogra_> 2.6.15-9-powerpc
[08:46] <slomo> hmm... what exactly do you do? ifconfig eth1 up && iwconfig eth1 essid foo?
[08:46] <ogra_> nope
[08:46] <Amaranth> ogra_: you got it to work?
[08:46] <Amaranth> ogra_: I've got some instructions on the forums
[08:46] <Amaranth> but mine only stayed connected for about 2 minutes
[08:46] <ogra_> i modprobe the driver, run sudo iwlis scan and sudo ifup eth1
[08:47] <ogra_> seems stable to me
[08:47] <Amaranth> you need to set the essid, don't you?
[08:47] <ogra_> even at 54Mbit
[08:47] <ogra_> i didnt
[08:47] <Amaranth> can i see your /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:48] <ogra_> i got only iface eth1 inet dhcp in there
[08:48] <ogra_> nothing special
[08:48] <Amaranth> I had to set the essid about 20 times until it associated, then setup a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, then ifup eth1, then add a nameserver to resolv.conf
[08:48] <Amaranth> then it worked for about 2 minutes
[08:49] <ogra_> i have the luck to have no other wlans around, so the only possible essid is mine
[08:49] <Amaranth> only one here too
[08:49] <ogra_> strange
[08:49] <Amaranth> that iwlist can find, anyway
[08:49] <Amaranth> do you have a linksys AP?
[08:49] <ogra_> yup
[08:49] <Amaranth> odd
[08:49] <Amaranth> most people (me included) are having problems with linksys
[08:50] <ogra_> but one with buit in dsl modem (which is disabled) and the original firmware
[08:51] <Amaranth> Linksys BEFW11S4 V4
[08:51] <Amaranth> whatever that is
[08:51] <Amaranth> it's my neighbor's connection ;)
[08:52] <eruin> you just reminded me to enable some security on my linksys ap ;)
[08:52] <ogra_> WAG54G here
[08:54] <Amaranth> it's a cable modem/AP
[08:54] <ogra_> mine is a DSL modem/AP
[08:55] <dholbach>  good night everybody - have a happy christmas and a good start into the next year
[08:55] <ogra_> hmm, no /proc7acpi on powermac ... where do i get info about CPU temp etc ?
[08:55] <Amaranth> oh, no it's not
[08:55] <Amaranth> stupid google
[08:55] <ogra_> apart from the small set of info in /proc/pmu ...
[08:58] <lfittl> gn8 dholbach
[08:58] <ogra_ibook> ciao dholbach
[08:58] <slomo> ogra_ibook: you have to load therm_adt746x
[08:58] <siretart> slomo: pong :)
[08:59] <Gloubiboulga> salut dholbach joyeuses ftes
[08:59] <Amaranth> ogra_ibook: does usplash bail on you too?
[08:59] <slomo> siretart: ping? ;)
[08:59] <Amaranth> ogra_ibook: and do you get errors about not being able to read/set the clock?
[08:59] <ogra_ibook> yup
[08:59] <siretart> slomo: you pinged be about 6 hours ago I think..
[08:59] <raphink> slomo_: oops I forgot to remind you `in 15 minutes' some hours ago ;)
[08:59] <dholbach> thanks ogra, lfittl, merci Gloubiboulga
[08:59] <slomo> ogra, Amaranth: you need to load genrtc to solve the clock issue
[09:00] <raphink> gn dholbach :)
[09:00] <Amaranth> i'm not too interested in that
[09:00] <dholbach> *wave*
[09:00] <Amaranth> just wondering
[09:00] <raphink> bye dholbach :)
[09:01] <raphink> slomo_: do you have some time now to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1000 ?
[09:01] <ogra_ibook> trying a reboot+
[09:01] <raphink> LOL
[09:01] <slomo> lol
[09:01] <slomo> sure
[09:01] <slomo> :)
[09:01] <raphink> :)
[09:02] <slomo> oh no... another kde package ;)
[09:03] <raphink> hehe
[09:03] <Gloubiboulga> lol
[09:03] <raphink> yes
[09:03] <raphink> it's the last one I have in stock
[09:03] <raphink> after that, I have to go to kde-apps and find more ;)
[09:03] <raphink> :)
[09:09] <slomo> raphink: looks fine until now ;)
[09:09] <raphink> :)
[09:10] <slomo> your packages are boring :P everything is correct and working :(
[09:11] <raphink> hahaha
[09:11] <slomo> hm, when is the next tb meeting? :)
[09:11] <raphink> slomo well i wouldn't try to apply for MOTU if I had trashy packages ;)
[09:11] <raphink> hopefully
[09:12] <raphink> tb ?
[09:12] <slomo> technical board
[09:12] <raphink> ah ok
[09:12] <raphink> :)
[09:13] <raphink> I put myself on the CommunityCouncilAgenda again
[09:13] <raphink> I was told to wait 4 more weeks, so next time will be fine ;)
[09:13] <raphink> :)
[09:14] <raphink> will you be there slomo?
[09:15] <slomo> what date is it?
[09:15] <raphink> hmmm the 3rd I guess
[09:15] <raphink> not sure
[09:29] <slomo> raphink: FTBFS :P but probably not your fault: "libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXft.la"
[09:31] <Burglaptop> slomo: I think that just got removed
[09:31] <slomo> yes
[09:31] <slomo> something needs a rebuild
[09:32] <slomo> to remove the reference to that file
[09:39] <raphink> slomo: does that prevent from building?
[09:40] <slomo> yes
[09:40] <raphink> that's weird
[09:40] <raphink> it built on my machines
[09:42] <raphink> this is weird, libXft.la can't be found in any package
[09:42] <Burglaptop> raphink: it just got removed from dapper
[09:43] <Burglaptop> that last upload of libxft, daniel removed it
[09:43] <raphink> why?
[09:43] <Burglaptop> ask him
[09:44] <raphink> merry xmas siretart
[09:45] <raphink> slomo : so it seems kalcul can't be built anymore on dapper ?
[09:45] <slomo> yes
[09:45] <slomo> raphink: update your pbuilder :)
[09:45] <raphink> is there are good reason for that?
[09:46] <Amaranth> so much for that
[09:46] <Amaranth> can't even get to the router anymore :/
[09:46] <slomo> maybe one of the libraries you link to wants this file... should be solved by a rebuild
[09:46] <slomo> Amaranth: hehe, same for me :)
[09:47] <Amaranth> but the driver gets better on a daily basis
[09:47] <Amaranth> so hopefully by the time dapper is out it'll wokr
[10:13] <raphink> slomo what do you want to do about kalcul?
[10:14] <slomo> you could look at all libraries you link to and check if they need a rebuild to get rid of the libXft.la file
[10:14] <raphink> hmm I'll do that later
[10:15] <raphink> I'll put it as acomment somewhere ;)
[10:16] <raphink> hop
[10:16] <raphink> added to my WikiPage for later work :)
[10:17] <Kyral> hey LJ
[10:18] <LaserJock> Hi Kyral
[10:19] <raphink> hi Kyral
[10:19] <LaserJock> Kyral: did EasyChem get through?
[10:20] <Kyral> LaserJock: no...because no one will give it another vote *HINT HINT*
[10:20] <LaserJock> Kyral: well plotdrop got 2 votes but then ajmitch brought a small problem
[10:21] <Kyral> slomo: You have to vote on EasyChem again, I uploaded with a new email addy
[10:21] <LaserJock> But I'm at my inlaws right now and the dialup is killing me
[10:21] <Hieronymus> there's a list of build erros for universe packages, right? Where is it?
[10:21] <Hieronymus> *errors
[10:21] <LaserJock> Kyral: does your @ubuntu.com email work?
[10:22] <Kyral> LaserJock: Yah I talked to elmo at the meeting. He said the problem is that the script that normally does it is dead ;P
[10:23] <Hieronymus> LaserJock: you work on ghemical, right?
[10:23] <Hieronymus> it's broken on amd64
[10:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: oh, I sent him an email yesterday about that and the docteam repo access. I hope that I didn't bother him too much
[10:23] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: in dapper?
[10:23] <Hieronymus> LaserJock: yes
[10:24] <Kyral> LaserJock: in this case I mentioned it in the meeting and sabdfl told me to bug him :P
[10:24] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: how broken?
[10:25] <Hieronymus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6082
[10:26] <Hieronymus> LaserJock: there's a libghemical0c2a
[10:27] <LaserJock> yeah, but the deps should have been changed
[10:27] <Hieronymus> LaserJock: they have
[10:28] <Hieronymus> but for amd64 ghemical is still 1.90-2ubuntu1
[10:28] <Hieronymus> and when I try to build it, I get errors
[10:28] <LaserJock> yeah, looks like something happended there
[10:29] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: I'm not in much of a position to work on that until I get back from Christmas vactions
[10:30] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: I would try to get azeem (the debian maintainer who is here fairly often) to look at it or one of the MOTUs
[10:30] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: In any case you could file a bug report or at least see if there isn't one already
[10:34] <LaserJock> ok, gotta go. I might try to be on later
[10:35] <Hieronymus> azeem: ping?
[10:48] <Seveas> !config channel Plugins.Bugtracker.snarfTarget malone
[10:48] <Ubugtu> The operation succeeded.
[10:49] <Gloubiboulga> Merry christmas to all
[10:49] <Gloubiboulga> see you next week
[10:54] <thierry> when does NEW packages comes into the dapper repository?
[10:56] <raphink> thierry: when they are approved
[10:56] <raphink> imo
[10:57] <thierry> raphink : ok because I need libfox1.4 to get in (for my REVU package), it's just a rebuild and it has been sent this moring by ogra
[10:57] <raphink> mhm
[10:57] <thierry> raphink : any idea of someone who could approve it?
[10:57] <raphink> just wait
[10:57] <raphink> NEW queue is fast
[10:57] <raphink> not more than a few days
[10:58] <thierry> k...
[10:58] <thierry> ogra : have you sent the rebuild of libfox1.4 to NEW? (just to make sure)
[10:59] <slomo> thierry: i uploaded it iirc ;)
[10:59] <slomo> and it built fine everywhere
[11:01] <thierry> slomo : what's iirc?
[11:01] <slomo> if i recall/remember correctly
[11:02] <slomo> (apt-get install bsdgames && wtf iirc ) :)
[11:02] <thierry> slomo : ok, so in a couple of days, it should be in the dapper repository
[11:02] <thierry> right?
[11:02] <slomo> hmm no... it should be there now
[11:05] <thierry> slomo : ok, but does my changelog also been added or you just rebuilt it and uploaded?
[11:06] <slomo> i added your changelog... see dapper-changes
[11:06] <slomo> Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:40:09 +0000 (GMT)
[11:36] <thierry> slomo : when I do apt-get source libfox1.4 in my dapper chroot, I only get Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:27:56 +0100
[11:36] <thierry> strange....
[11:36] <slomo> maybe the archives are broken...
[11:40] <crimsun>      1.4.16-2ubuntu3 0
[11:40] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[11:40] <crimsun> amd64, so the archive appears fine.
[11:40] <crimsun> corresponds to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/f/fox1.4/1.4.16-2ubuntu3/ , too.
[11:43] <derekS> hey motu's... i just saw something kinda cool you might wanna consider packaging: http://gnickr.sourceforge.net
[11:43] <crimsun> put it on wiki/UniverseCandidates
[11:43] <derekS> or its already packaged... adding
[11:43] <derekS> ok
[11:54] <thierry> slomo, crimsun : I'm using us.archive.ubuntu.com ... maybe that's not there yet...
[11:54] <bmonty> hi all
[11:54] <bmonty> thierry: its been my experience that us.archive.ubuntu.com has lots of issues
[11:57] <thierry> bmonty : k thanks, going to change my repos of apt for my chroot :)
[11:57] <bmonty> thierry: I've found that solves lots of problems :)