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| lululinux | where does Gnome hide "start another X session"? | 01:37 |
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| lululinux | Error: Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root: Wrong password. | 05:43 |
| lululinux | where does Gnome hide "start another X session"? | 05:43 |
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| ball | How do I decide between Ubuntu and Edubuntu? | 06:09 |
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| zakame | er, depends on your intended use? | 06:14 |
| |Marc-go| | Hello All .... I have a few question about edubuntu... | 06:15 |
| |Marc-go| | I have just started looking at Edubuntu and can only find and install CD.... Is there a Live CD? | 06:17 |
| zakame | not yet for breezy, but iirc there's a test live cd for dapper | 06:17 |
| ball | zakame: put on student workstations and possibly on my own laptop. | 06:18 |
| ball | hello |Marc-go| | 06:18 |
| zakame | though I suspect one can do with the breezy edubuntu installer's casper-udeb d-i component, but I haven't tried that | 06:18 |
| |Marc-go| | Hello. Ball | 06:19 |
| ball | Is edubuntu always used ltsp-style? | 06:24 |
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| ball | hello tdscott2 | 06:26 |
| tdscott2 | hello | 06:26 |
| zakame | hi tdscott2 | 06:27 |
| tdscott2 | Hello to you also... so, are we talking edubuntu? | 06:28 |
| ball | Yes, I'm thinking about considering the idea of evaluating it. | 06:28 |
| tdscott2 | I'm using it right now. Just installed it about an hour ago and I'm not sure I like it. It was really cool at first, but the more I play with it the less I like it. | 06:29 |
| zakame | tdscott2: hm, what do you don't like about it? :) | 06:30 |
| ball | tdscott2: that's not a good sign then. | 06:30 |
| tdscott2 | Well first of all it took me 20 minutes to figure out how to do anything with root permissions | 06:31 |
| ball | tdscott2: does it come with /bin/sh ? | 06:31 |
| tdscott2 | I installed Flash since my kids like to go ti disney.com and found out that sound doesn't seem to work | 06:32 |
| tdscott2 | yeah it does | 06:32 |
| tdscott2 | my system sound works fine but not with flash | 06:32 |
| tdscott2 | I also installed webmin thinking I could do some tweaking in there. That worked until I rebooted and now it no longer seems to be installed | 06:33 |
| ball | Is edubuntu something I buy a CD for, or just download and burn? | 06:34 |
| ball | tdscott2: when you reboot, the world ends. | 06:34 |
| tdscott2 | I just downloaded it and burned it. I was only one cd | 06:34 |
| ball | Does it come with joe? | 06:35 |
| tdscott2 | what the heck is that? | 06:35 |
| zakame | joe, the editor? | 06:35 |
| tdscott2 | dunno | 06:36 |
| ball | yes | 06:36 |
| tdscott2 | I'm a vi guy myself | 06:36 |
| ball | joe's own editor | 06:36 |
| ball | I use vi just long enough to get joe compiled...it's a CP/M thing ;-) | 06:36 |
| tdscott2 | I hear ya | 06:37 |
| tdscott2 | The whole interface is really clean, and it's friggen fast on this PII 450 | 06:37 |
| ball | That's about the vintage of most of my machines | 06:37 |
| tdscott2 | I just don't think that I should have to spend 8 hours making it work. call me lazy | 06:38 |
| ball | (at home, not at the school) | 06:38 |
| ball | So, what's needed to build a "terminal" that will work with edubuntu? | 06:38 |
| tdscott2 | I'm not sure what you mean there. I just used the already installed Gnome terminal. su doen't work because it's been disabled. That's what took me so long to figure out. I ended up using sudo to be able to do anything. | 06:40 |
| ball | tdscott2: right, but you were using it on the same machine it's installed on. Apparently it has some facility to work with X terminals (or something) | 06:41 |
| tdscott2 | Oh I see what you mean. Yeah I read something about that too. Maybe I'll head into the other room and try to figure that out | 06:42 |
| zakame | tdscott2: sudo is the way to go, not su | 06:43 |
| ball | heh | 06:43 |
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| ball | (I root, therefore I am) | 06:43 |
| tdscott2 | Yeah I'd never used sudo before but it seemed to work just fine | 06:43 |
| tdscott2 | another weird thing was the whole user creation at the end of the install. It had me create only one user that I found out later has some root permissions. very strange | 06:44 |
| zakame | well one can always `sudo bash' and do root stuff | 06:44 |
| ball | sudo /bin/sh hopefully | 06:45 |
| tdscott2 | Weird, now the sound is working for flash and I didn't change anything... | 06:46 |
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| ball | hello arkan0x | 06:47 |
| arkan0x | hi ball ! | 06:47 |
| tdscott2 | sup arkan0x? | 06:47 |
| === ball stumbles across the FAQ | ||
| arkan0x | proving script translator of google | 06:49 |
| arkan0x | by google services | 06:49 |
| arkan0x | xD | 06:49 |
| ball | possibly the most deficient FAQ I've ever read, that ;-) | 06:51 |
| tdscott2 | AMEN | 06:52 |
| ball | Is there a user's mailing list for edubuntu? | 06:53 |
| tdscott2 | Well I've decided that I'm going back to Mandriva at least for now for the kids. I'll try again in April at the next release. Later | 06:53 |
| ball | bye tdscott2 | 06:54 |
| ball | I'm thinking of using NetBSD instead. | 06:54 |
| ball | ...it's nice and configurable. | 06:54 |
| ball | (and I grok it) | 06:54 |
| ball | Edubuntu has a nice GEM-like file browser from the looks of things though | 06:58 |
| ball | ...perhaps that's part of GNOME | 06:58 |
| zakame | ah, nautilus | 06:59 |
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| ball | Where did I read about edubuntu's terminal server feature? | 07:00 |
| ball | (and where can I learn what's required of the terminals?) | 07:00 |
| zakame | ltsp? | 07:01 |
| === ball nods | ||
| ball | Anything special for the terminals if they're to be used with edubuntu? | 07:01 |
| ball | zakame: ooh look, k12ltsp.org | 07:21 |
| zakame | ball: yup :) | 07:30 |
| ball | http://loptech.blogspot.com/ <- my take on edubuntu | 08:06 |
| ball | goodnight all | 08:10 |
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| thoand | hello | 12:28 |
| thoand | my teacher is interessted in giving edubuntu to his students, but the edubuntu setup does not use DHCP, is there a version, wich does? | 12:29 |
| Yagisan | thoand: edubuntu should use dhcp | 12:29 |
| Yagisan | thoand: Are you using the live cd ? | 12:30 |
| thoand | no, I tried the install CD in my vmware | 12:30 |
| thoand | and then it asks for IP | 12:30 |
| thoand | Gateway | 12:30 |
| thoand | DNS and so on | 12:30 |
| thoand | the first thing I thought ws teachers... but some minutes ago I tested it myself | 12:32 |
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| Yagisan | thoand: when you put that cd in, type workstation for the type of install | 12:33 |
| Yagisan | thoand: the default install for that is as a server | 12:34 |
| Yagisan | thoand: where IT will be a dhcp server | 12:34 |
| thoand | ok, I'll try | 12:34 |
| Yagisan | no worries, and merry christmas :) | 12:34 |
| Yagisan | only 1 hour and 30 minutes to go | 12:34 |
| thoand | what is then? | 12:35 |
| Yagisan | thoand: christmas here | 12:36 |
| Yagisan | thoand: my kids are already looking for their presents | 12:37 |
| thoand | ah I see, you mean in 1 hour and 30 minutes is distribution of (Christmas) presents? | 12:38 |
| thoand | looked up this in my dict, sounds stupid ;) | 12:39 |
| Yagisan | thoand: It is nearly midnight here. It doesn't sound stupid, my wife is not a native english speaker either. | 12:40 |
| thoand | midnight to the 25th? | 12:41 |
| thoand | in germany everybody sais "it is Chrismas today", but it is the 24th here | 12:42 |
| thoand | Christmas Eve | 12:43 |
| Yagisan | thoand: It is Sat Dec 24 10:44:04pm here I am. It's already christmas in new zealand | 12:45 |
| thoand | Yagisan: in the wrong german understanding yes, but it is good t hear that there are some who know the difference | 12:47 |
| thoand | regarding to the workstation installation, wouldn't it be better to make this the default, because someone who wants to install it on a server should be more well-versed | 12:52 |
| thoand | and the hint for entering "server" stands at the boot prompt | 12:52 |
| thoand | I have to go for lunch now, brb | 12:53 |
| Yagisan | thoand: ogra is the person to talk about that, but IIRC the reasoning server is defaults, is that the initial version is targeted at schools | 12:59 |
| Yagisan | thoand: and is supposed to be easy for a non-technical person to deploy a whole classroom in a short period of time | 01:00 |
| thoand | maybe it is a good soluution to provide two versions | 01:12 |
| Yagisan | thoand: there *are* two versions on the cd, the default server install, and a standalone workstation install. Perhaps a nice menu would be helpful | 01:19 |
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| thoand | I understood that, but when someone have to enter text this is a barrier | 01:21 |
| thoand | a menu might be the best solution | 01:21 |
| thoand | but actually the workstation option is even not named at the prompt (AFAIK) | 01:22 |
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| Yagisan | thoand: Did you check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ? | 01:24 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: query | 01:25 |
| zakame | hi all, merry christmas! | 01:25 |
| ogra_ibook | hey, merry christmas ! | 01:26 |
| lucasvo | merry christmas :D | 01:26 |
| zakame | hi ogra_ibook ! :D | 01:27 |
| Yagisan | Merry Christmas all | 01:27 |
| ogra_ibook | :) | 01:27 |
| zakame | I've good news: by next year another school here in Daet will be using Edubuntu :) | 01:27 |
| ogra_ibook | yay | 01:28 |
| ogra_ibook | thats a nice chriatmas present | 01:28 |
| ogra_ibook | oops | 01:28 |
| ogra_ibook | *christmas | 01:28 |
| zakame | yeah, iirc 70 PCs + one ltsp server | 01:28 |
| ogra_ibook | phew | 01:28 |
| ogra_ibook | that needs to be a fat server :) | 01:28 |
| thoand | Yagisan: no, I did not | 01:29 |
| ogra_ibook | thoand, the next CD has a graphical menu to select the install variant, no need for 2 versions ;) | 01:29 |
| zakame | hehe | 01:29 |
| thoand | ogra_ibook: that is great :) | 01:30 |
| ogra_ibook | its far more obvious | 01:30 |
| thoand | I think 6.04 will be THA_ | 01:32 |
| thoand | hmpf | 01:32 |
| thoand | I think 6.04 will be _THE_ distribution :) | 01:32 |
| thoand | I think the kubuntu version will be the best | 01:33 |
| thoand | will there come a gnome free edubuntu version? | 01:34 |
| Yagisan | ogra_ibook: nah, any off the shelf dual core amd64 will be fine as a server | 01:34 |
| ogra_ibook | nope, but there is no problem to make edubuntu use kde or xfce | 01:34 |
| ogra_ibook | Yagisan, for 70 clients ? that needs a huge amount of mem ;) | 01:35 |
| Yagisan | ogra_ibook: amd64, some of these boards take shitloads of ram | 01:36 |
| ogra_ibook | true :) | 01:36 |
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| === Yagisan actually gets the bill for christmas lunch instead | ||
| zakame | heh, I'll let the school tackle that ;) I'll just recommend maybe this amount of RAM :)) | 01:36 |
| Yagisan | My dream box, would be a nice dual, dual core amd64 box, 4GB+ RAM, 1TB+ storage in RAID5 | 01:38 |
| Yagisan | 1 core for all work stuff, the other 3 for all my "other" activities :) | 01:39 |
| ogra_ibook | did you ask santa for it ? ;) | 01:39 |
| Yagisan | ogra_ibook: other here, I am santa - and santa can't afford it :( | 01:40 |
| Yagisan | s/other/over | 01:40 |
| ogra_ibook | ah, damned ... | 01:40 |
| Yagisan | at least the kids will be happy tommorow | 01:40 |
| === zakame sure wishes a laptop :'( | ||
| === Yagisan also has no laptop | ||
| Yagisan | brb - father's duties | 01:45 |
| Yagisan | woo hoo - It's christmas | 02:07 |
| zakame | indeed | 02:08 |
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| Yagisan | finally, the kids are in bed. Goodnight All, Merry Christmas | 02:17 |
| zakame | Merry Christmas Yagisan :) | 02:18 |
| lululinux | where does Gnome hide "start another X session"? | 02:26 |
| lululinux | Error: Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root: Wrong password. | 02:26 |
| ogra_ibook | there is a "new login" item in the menu | 02:26 |
| ogra_ibook | which password did you give for update-manager ? | 02:27 |
| lululinux | I looked for anything like "new login", can't see anything. | 02:27 |
| ogra_ibook | its there ... | 02:27 |
| lululinux | applications, places, or system? | 02:28 |
| ogra_ibook | somewhere below applications ... | 02:28 |
| ogra_ibook | in "system tools" there iirc ... | 02:28 |
| ogra_ibook | using dapper here, the menu is broken, so i cant look up the correct place | 02:29 |
| lululinux | yes, in system tools, thanks | 02:29 |
| === lululinux thinks it belongs in main 'system' menu | ||
| lululinux | I used the root password | 02:30 |
| ogra_ibook | the menu will change a lot in dapper ... | 02:30 |
| ogra_ibook | dunno wher it will be put | 02:30 |
| ogra_ibook | thats wrong | 02:30 |
| lululinux | it's the only password that exists on this system | 02:30 |
| lululinux | user passwords are null | 02:30 |
| ogra_ibook | use your user password | 02:31 |
| ogra_ibook | the root password is nowhere used in edubuntu | 02:31 |
| ogra_ibook | that wont work | 02:31 |
| lululinux | root has the only password that exists on this system | 02:31 |
| ogra_ibook | your sudo user (the one you set up on install) is the only administrative user in every gui in ubuntu ... setting a root password just adds insecurity | 02:31 |
| lululinux | that user now has a null password, like all other users except root | 02:33 |
| ogra_ibook | thats wrong | 02:33 |
| ogra_ibook | set one | 02:34 |
| lululinux | that's how it is | 02:34 |
| ogra_ibook | how did you achieve that ? | 02:34 |
| ogra_ibook | the installer will complain if you dont set a password for the admin on install | 02:34 |
| lululinux | normal command line useradd/passwd tools | 02:34 |
| ogra_ibook | and how did you install ? | 02:35 |
| zakame | hm kinda like oem? | 02:35 |
| zakame | bleah wrogn chan | 02:35 |
| ogra_ibook | edubuntu is built around sudo... root is only helpful on the commandline | 02:36 |
| lululinux | kubuntu install, then apt-get install edubuntu-desktop | 02:36 |
| zakame | one can always do `sudo bash` or `sudo /bin/sh` | 02:36 |
| zakame | then again, what's the point of sudo if all you want is a rootshell :/ | 02:37 |
| ogra_ibook | kubuntu follows this philosophy as well | 02:37 |
| ogra_ibook | all gui tools require sudo ... | 02:37 |
| ogra_ibook | if you want to change itt, feel free to find all of them and change it to su, but its a hell lot of work and somewhat a slap into the face of security ... | 02:38 |
| lululinux | well, the kid doesn't need update notification on the main menubar anyway, so I'll just try to delete that if I can figure out how; then I'll login root and do adept | 02:38 |
| ogra_ibook | there is a reason we choose sudo ;) | 02:39 |
| lululinux | I don't care | 02:39 |
| lululinux | this is not my only linux box | 02:39 |
| lululinux | they all need to require the same basics | 02:39 |
| lululinux | Gnome is more than enough deviation as it is | 02:39 |
| lululinux | all my others are KDE only | 02:40 |
| ogra_ibook | as i said, feel free to change it... but it will change back on every upgrade (no matter if gnome or kde) | 02:40 |
| zakame | er, rather strong... | 02:40 |
| ogra_ibook | the tools are all called with the respective sudo tool...so on upgrades the .desktop files will revertt to it ... | 02:41 |
| lululinux | why do my additions to KDE menus not get picked up in Gnome? I had to make manual additions in each. | 02:42 |
| ogra_ibook | in dapper the admin tools will be hidden for non sudo users ... update-notifier as well ... | 02:42 |
| lululinux | SeaMonkey and Firefox 1.5 | 02:42 |
| lululinux | that's good | 02:42 |
| ogra_ibook | if you didnt use the ubuntu packages, then complain at the people who broke seamonkey and firefox ;) | 02:43 |
| lululinux | will there be any ubuntu version that runs on an ix86 Mac? | 02:43 |
| lululinux | I didn't see any SeaMonkey 1.0b or Firefox 1.5 packages in adept | 02:43 |
| ogra_ibook | ubuntu/edubuntu and kubuntu follow all the freedesktop.org standard, if the tools you use dont work, the upstream didnt follow them | 02:44 |
| ogra_ibook | if there is a x86 mac to develop on, we will do that ;) | 02:44 |
| lululinux | whatever the normal KDE menu editor is i used | 02:44 |
| lululinux | whatever the normal KDE menu editor is what I used | 02:45 |
| lululinux | whatever the normal KDE menu editor is is what I used | 02:45 |
| ogra_ibook | to add them ? | 02:45 |
| lululinux | yes | 02:45 |
| ogra_ibook | thats fine | 02:45 |
| ogra_ibook | but if you read the freedesktop.org spec you'll see that they are storing their data in different places to not mix up the menus ;) | 02:46 |
| lululinux | mebbe in 3.5 that will be changed? | 02:46 |
| ogra_ibook | with the new gnome editor in dapper you can override that afaik | 02:46 |
| ogra_ibook | kde isnt that far yet with freedesktop.org standards ... | 02:47 |
| ogra_ibook | there is still a lot stuff to be fixed ... | 02:47 |
| ogra_ibook | i guess that will come in 4.0 | 02:47 |
| lululinux | I don't see a way to delete the update notifier from the main menubar | 02:48 |
| lululinux | the kid doesn't need it there | 02:48 |
| ogra_ibook | you need to delete it from the session and save the session ... | 02:49 |
| lululinux | how? | 02:49 |
| ogra_ibook | delete it with the session manager from the desktop settings menu, then save the session on logout | 02:50 |
| lululinux | right click on panel has no "delete from panel" option | 02:50 |
| ogra_ibook | its in the notification area ... you cant just delete it from there ... the app itself runs in the session... | 02:50 |
| ogra_ibook | #(not different to kde btw) | 02:51 |
| lululinux | found it | 02:51 |
| ogra_ibook | great :) | 02:51 |
| lululinux | :) | 02:52 |
| lululinux | the trash can looks much too much like the active state indicator for the desktop chooser | 02:53 |
| ogra_ibook | yes, the icon isnt the best one ... | 02:53 |
| ogra_ibook | tango will change that | 02:54 |
| lululinux | I have other things to do for a while. Thanks ogra_ibook | 02:54 |
| ogra_ibook | have fun and merry christmas (in case you celebrate it) | 02:54 |
| MrMazda | ogra_ibook: Merry Christmas to you too! ( lululinux is my kid's puter upstairs ) | 03:01 |
| ogra_ibook | thanks :) | 03:01 |
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| lululinux | ogra_ibook: selecting new login doesn't do anything except make a noise | 03:42 |
| ogra_ibook | hmm, is gdm running ? | 03:42 |
| lululinux | no | 03:42 |
| ogra_ibook | run it then ;) | 03:43 |
| lululinux | I don't like it | 03:43 |
| lululinux | kdm is running | 03:43 |
| ogra_ibook | so you cant have the gdmflexiserver support .... | 03:43 |
| ogra_ibook | as in kde, the loginmanager is responsible for logins ... | 03:44 |
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