=== jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@p5089F51F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === lululinux [n=chatzill@B2a-CommercialWay-Brooksville-28.ij.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:37] where does Gnome hide "start another X session"? [01:43] Error: Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root: Wrong password. === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.197.240] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@154-189-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === writer [n=ivan@194.84.5.222] has joined #edubuntu [05:43] Error: Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root: Wrong password. [05:43] where does Gnome hide "start another X session"? === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.130.104] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.233] has joined #edubuntu === ball [n=ball@dialup-4.158.165.212.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:09] How do I decide between Ubuntu and Edubuntu? === |Marc-go| [n=kvirc@rrcs-70-61-9-110.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:14] er, depends on your intended use? [06:15] <|Marc-go|> Hello All .... I have a few question about edubuntu... [06:17] <|Marc-go|> I have just started looking at Edubuntu and can only find and install CD.... Is there a Live CD? [06:17] not yet for breezy, but iirc there's a test live cd for dapper [06:18] zakame: put on student workstations and possibly on my own laptop. [06:18] hello |Marc-go| [06:18] though I suspect one can do with the breezy edubuntu installer's casper-udeb d-i component, but I haven't tried that [06:19] <|Marc-go|> Hello. Ball [06:24] Is edubuntu always used ltsp-style? === izaak [n=izaak@24.176.241.71] has joined #edubuntu === |Marc-go| [n=kvirc@rrcs-70-61-9-110.central.biz.rr.com] has left #edubuntu ["So] === tdscott2 [n=izaak@24.176.241.71] has joined #edubuntu [06:26] hello tdscott2 [06:26] hello [06:27] hi tdscott2 [06:28] Hello to you also... so, are we talking edubuntu? [06:28] Yes, I'm thinking about considering the idea of evaluating it. [06:29] I'm using it right now. Just installed it about an hour ago and I'm not sure I like it. It was really cool at first, but the more I play with it the less I like it. [06:30] tdscott2: hm, what do you don't like about it? :) [06:30] tdscott2: that's not a good sign then. [06:31] Well first of all it took me 20 minutes to figure out how to do anything with root permissions [06:31] tdscott2: does it come with /bin/sh ? [06:32] I installed Flash since my kids like to go ti disney.com and found out that sound doesn't seem to work [06:32] yeah it does [06:32] my system sound works fine but not with flash [06:33] I also installed webmin thinking I could do some tweaking in there. That worked until I rebooted and now it no longer seems to be installed [06:34] Is edubuntu something I buy a CD for, or just download and burn? [06:34] tdscott2: when you reboot, the world ends. [06:34] I just downloaded it and burned it. I was only one cd [06:35] Does it come with joe? [06:35] what the heck is that? [06:35] joe, the editor? [06:36] dunno [06:36] yes [06:36] I'm a vi guy myself [06:36] joe's own editor [06:36] I use vi just long enough to get joe compiled...it's a CP/M thing ;-) [06:37] I hear ya [06:37] The whole interface is really clean, and it's friggen fast on this PII 450 [06:37] That's about the vintage of most of my machines [06:38] I just don't think that I should have to spend 8 hours making it work. call me lazy [06:38] (at home, not at the school) [06:38] So, what's needed to build a "terminal" that will work with edubuntu? [06:40] I'm not sure what you mean there. I just used the already installed Gnome terminal. su doen't work because it's been disabled. That's what took me so long to figure out. I ended up using sudo to be able to do anything. [06:41] tdscott2: right, but you were using it on the same machine it's installed on. Apparently it has some facility to work with X terminals (or something) [06:42] Oh I see what you mean. Yeah I read something about that too. Maybe I'll head into the other room and try to figure that out [06:43] tdscott2: sudo is the way to go, not su [06:43] heh === ball would be more comfortable with su [06:43] (I root, therefore I am) [06:43] Yeah I'd never used sudo before but it seemed to work just fine [06:44] another weird thing was the whole user creation at the end of the install. It had me create only one user that I found out later has some root permissions. very strange [06:44] well one can always `sudo bash' and do root stuff [06:45] sudo /bin/sh hopefully [06:46] Weird, now the sound is working for flash and I didn't change anything... === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:47] hello arkan0x [06:47] hi ball ! [06:47] sup arkan0x? === ball stumbles across the FAQ [06:49] proving script translator of google [06:49] by google services [06:49] xD [06:51] possibly the most deficient FAQ I've ever read, that ;-) [06:52] AMEN [06:53] Is there a user's mailing list for edubuntu? [06:53] Well I've decided that I'm going back to Mandriva at least for now for the kids. I'll try again in April at the next release. Later [06:54] bye tdscott2 [06:54] I'm thinking of using NetBSD instead. [06:54] ...it's nice and configurable. [06:54] (and I grok it) [06:58] Edubuntu has a nice GEM-like file browser from the looks of things though [06:58] ...perhaps that's part of GNOME [06:59] ah, nautilus === ball writes that down [07:00] Where did I read about edubuntu's terminal server feature? [07:00] (and where can I learn what's required of the terminals?) [07:01] ltsp? === ball nods [07:01] Anything special for the terminals if they're to be used with edubuntu? [07:21] zakame: ooh look, k12ltsp.org [07:30] ball: yup :) [08:06] http://loptech.blogspot.com/ <- my take on edubuntu [08:10] goodnight all === ball [n=ball@dialup-4.158.165.212.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has left #edubuntu ["Merry] === sankar [n=sankarsh@202-149-56-110.exatt.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankar is now known as sankarshan === freelove [n=yasser@59.93.240.49] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-17-151-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === thoand [n=thoand@gentoo/developer/thoand] has joined #edubuntu [12:28] hello [12:29] my teacher is interessted in giving edubuntu to his students, but the edubuntu setup does not use DHCP, is there a version, wich does? [12:29] thoand: edubuntu should use dhcp [12:30] thoand: Are you using the live cd ? [12:30] no, I tried the install CD in my vmware [12:30] and then it asks for IP [12:30] Gateway [12:30] DNS and so on [12:32] the first thing I thought ws teachers... but some minutes ago I tested it myself === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [12:33] thoand: when you put that cd in, type workstation for the type of install [12:34] thoand: the default install for that is as a server [12:34] thoand: where IT will be a dhcp server [12:34] ok, I'll try [12:34] no worries, and merry christmas :) [12:34] only 1 hour and 30 minutes to go [12:35] what is then? [12:36] thoand: christmas here [12:37] thoand: my kids are already looking for their presents [12:38] ah I see, you mean in 1 hour and 30 minutes is distribution of (Christmas) presents? [12:39] looked up this in my dict, sounds stupid ;) [12:40] thoand: It is nearly midnight here. It doesn't sound stupid, my wife is not a native english speaker either. [12:41] midnight to the 25th? [12:42] in germany everybody sais "it is Chrismas today", but it is the 24th here [12:43] Christmas Eve [12:45] thoand: It is Sat Dec 24 10:44:04pm here I am. It's already christmas in new zealand [12:47] Yagisan: in the wrong german understanding yes, but it is good t hear that there are some who know the difference [12:52] regarding to the workstation installation, wouldn't it be better to make this the default, because someone who wants to install it on a server should be more well-versed [12:52] and the hint for entering "server" stands at the boot prompt [12:53] I have to go for lunch now, brb [12:59] thoand: ogra is the person to talk about that, but IIRC the reasoning server is defaults, is that the initial version is targeted at schools [01:00] thoand: and is supposed to be easy for a non-technical person to deploy a whole classroom in a short period of time [01:12] maybe it is a good soluution to provide two versions [01:19] thoand: there *are* two versions on the cd, the default server install, and a standalone workstation install. Perhaps a nice menu would be helpful === martin_ [n=martin@p508B1179.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [01:21] I understood that, but when someone have to enter text this is a barrier [01:21] a menu might be the best solution [01:22] but actually the workstation option is even not named at the prompt (AFAIK) === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu [01:24] thoand: Did you check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ? [01:25] Yagisan: query [01:25] hi all, merry christmas! [01:26] hey, merry christmas ! [01:26] merry christmas :D [01:27] hi ogra_ibook ! :D [01:27] Merry Christmas all [01:27] :) [01:27] I've good news: by next year another school here in Daet will be using Edubuntu :) [01:28] yay [01:28] thats a nice chriatmas present [01:28] oops [01:28] *christmas [01:28] yeah, iirc 70 PCs + one ltsp server [01:28] phew [01:28] that needs to be a fat server :) [01:29] Yagisan: no, I did not [01:29] thoand, the next CD has a graphical menu to select the install variant, no need for 2 versions ;) [01:29] hehe [01:30] ogra_ibook: that is great :) [01:30] its far more obvious [01:32] I think 6.04 will be THA_ [01:32] hmpf [01:32] I think 6.04 will be _THE_ distribution :) [01:33] I think the kubuntu version will be the best [01:34] will there come a gnome free edubuntu version? [01:34] ogra_ibook: nah, any off the shelf dual core amd64 will be fine as a server [01:34] nope, but there is no problem to make edubuntu use kde or xfce [01:35] Yagisan, for 70 clients ? that needs a huge amount of mem ;) [01:36] ogra_ibook: amd64, some of these boards take shitloads of ram [01:36] true :) === Yagisan wants for christmas === Yagisan actually gets the bill for christmas lunch instead [01:36] heh, I'll let the school tackle that ;) I'll just recommend maybe this amount of RAM :)) [01:38] My dream box, would be a nice dual, dual core amd64 box, 4GB+ RAM, 1TB+ storage in RAID5 [01:39] 1 core for all work stuff, the other 3 for all my "other" activities :) [01:39] did you ask santa for it ? ;) [01:40] ogra_ibook: other here, I am santa - and santa can't afford it :( [01:40] s/other/over [01:40] ah, damned ... [01:40] at least the kids will be happy tommorow === zakame sure wishes a laptop :'( === Yagisan also has no laptop [01:45] brb - father's duties [02:07] woo hoo - It's christmas [02:08] indeed === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-168-233.tri-isys.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:17] finally, the kids are in bed. Goodnight All, Merry Christmas [02:18] Merry Christmas Yagisan :) [02:26] where does Gnome hide "start another X session"? [02:26] Error: Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root: Wrong password. [02:26] there is a "new login" item in the menu [02:27] which password did you give for update-manager ? [02:27] I looked for anything like "new login", can't see anything. [02:27] its there ... [02:28] applications, places, or system? [02:28] somewhere below applications ... [02:28] in "system tools" there iirc ... [02:29] using dapper here, the menu is broken, so i cant look up the correct place [02:29] yes, in system tools, thanks === lululinux thinks it belongs in main 'system' menu [02:30] I used the root password [02:30] the menu will change a lot in dapper ... [02:30] dunno wher it will be put [02:30] thats wrong [02:30] it's the only password that exists on this system [02:30] user passwords are null [02:31] use your user password [02:31] the root password is nowhere used in edubuntu [02:31] that wont work [02:31] root has the only password that exists on this system [02:31] your sudo user (the one you set up on install) is the only administrative user in every gui in ubuntu ... setting a root password just adds insecurity [02:33] that user now has a null password, like all other users except root [02:33] thats wrong [02:34] set one [02:34] that's how it is [02:34] how did you achieve that ? [02:34] the installer will complain if you dont set a password for the admin on install [02:34] normal command line useradd/passwd tools [02:35] and how did you install ? [02:35] hm kinda like oem? [02:35] bleah wrogn chan [02:36] edubuntu is built around sudo... root is only helpful on the commandline [02:36] kubuntu install, then apt-get install edubuntu-desktop [02:36] one can always do `sudo bash` or `sudo /bin/sh` [02:37] then again, what's the point of sudo if all you want is a rootshell :/ [02:37] kubuntu follows this philosophy as well [02:37] all gui tools require sudo ... [02:38] if you want to change itt, feel free to find all of them and change it to su, but its a hell lot of work and somewhat a slap into the face of security ... [02:38] well, the kid doesn't need update notification on the main menubar anyway, so I'll just try to delete that if I can figure out how; then I'll login root and do adept [02:39] there is a reason we choose sudo ;) [02:39] I don't care [02:39] this is not my only linux box [02:39] they all need to require the same basics [02:39] Gnome is more than enough deviation as it is [02:40] all my others are KDE only [02:40] as i said, feel free to change it... but it will change back on every upgrade (no matter if gnome or kde) [02:40] er, rather strong... [02:41] the tools are all called with the respective sudo tool...so on upgrades the .desktop files will revertt to it ... [02:42] why do my additions to KDE menus not get picked up in Gnome? I had to make manual additions in each. [02:42] in dapper the admin tools will be hidden for non sudo users ... update-notifier as well ... [02:42] SeaMonkey and Firefox 1.5 [02:42] that's good [02:43] if you didnt use the ubuntu packages, then complain at the people who broke seamonkey and firefox ;) [02:43] will there be any ubuntu version that runs on an ix86 Mac? [02:43] I didn't see any SeaMonkey 1.0b or Firefox 1.5 packages in adept [02:44] ubuntu/edubuntu and kubuntu follow all the freedesktop.org standard, if the tools you use dont work, the upstream didnt follow them [02:44] if there is a x86 mac to develop on, we will do that ;) [02:44] whatever the normal KDE menu editor is i used [02:45] whatever the normal KDE menu editor is what I used [02:45] whatever the normal KDE menu editor is is what I used [02:45] to add them ? [02:45] yes [02:45] thats fine [02:46] but if you read the freedesktop.org spec you'll see that they are storing their data in different places to not mix up the menus ;) [02:46] mebbe in 3.5 that will be changed? [02:46] with the new gnome editor in dapper you can override that afaik [02:47] kde isnt that far yet with freedesktop.org standards ... [02:47] there is still a lot stuff to be fixed ... [02:47] i guess that will come in 4.0 [02:48] I don't see a way to delete the update notifier from the main menubar [02:48] the kid doesn't need it there [02:49] you need to delete it from the session and save the session ... [02:49] how? [02:50] delete it with the session manager from the desktop settings menu, then save the session on logout [02:50] right click on panel has no "delete from panel" option [02:50] its in the notification area ... you cant just delete it from there ... the app itself runs in the session... [02:51] #(not different to kde btw) [02:51] found it [02:51] great :) [02:52] :) [02:53] the trash can looks much too much like the active state indicator for the desktop chooser [02:53] yes, the icon isnt the best one ... [02:54] tango will change that [02:54] I have other things to do for a while. Thanks ogra_ibook [02:54] have fun and merry christmas (in case you celebrate it) [03:01] ogra_ibook: Merry Christmas to you too! ( lululinux is my kid's puter upstairs ) [03:01] thanks :) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:42] ogra_ibook: selecting new login doesn't do anything except make a noise [03:42] hmm, is gdm running ? [03:42] no [03:43] run it then ;) [03:43] I don't like it [03:43] kdm is running [03:43] so you cant have the gdmflexiserver support .... 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