=== JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@p5089F51F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@90.210-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@90.210-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawarma [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === hughsie [n=hughsie@host86-132-116-241.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] PowerManagement guys -- opinions please. [12:50] in reference to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagementConfiguration [12:50] the battery critical sliders are per-time, rather than per-percent. [12:51] now I've got a bit of time, i've been fixing the issues ubuntu has with g-p-m to more match this mockup [12:51] but, i need some rational about the per-time thing [12:54] hughsie, i guess nobody of the guys that have written this spec is around ... [12:54] (and i disagree with it to be honest, i think g-p-m is fine as is) [12:55] ogra, cool, cheers! [12:55] ogra_ibook, you mind if I scribble on your wiki? [12:55] put a comments section at the bottom and make your suggestions there [12:56] but in the end its mjg59 who will implement it and i think he'll take g-p-m as well as it is now ;) [12:57] ogra_ibook, I figured if you really dont likethe hal actions thing, you can just wrap g-p-m around PowerManager init.d service like i did before hal had actions support [12:57] ogra_ibook, but that's hassle :-) [12:57] gah, got a horrible lag here [12:58] ogra_ibook, You should see the mount(), unmount(), eject() methods in HAL CVS. [12:58] mjg59 cares for this part, i think he'll just write a dbus service [12:58] at least it sounded like it ... [12:58] they rock for fedora (as gnome can just call a dbus method) but I'm not sure how easily pmount and the ubuntu stuff will work. [12:59] he can use PowerManager as a start, or just do a quick daemon in python or something [12:59] currently he calls the gdm functions directly, which works like a charm ... [12:59] but wont match the security requirements i guess [12:59] yes, i guess. [01:00] i'd love to have it like it is now ... [01:00] :-), well, wait and see [01:00] you been following g-p-m cvs at all? [01:00] but somehow there were some people that didnt like the implementation at all and wrote this spec [01:00] only the releases ... my focus moved to ltsp ... [01:01] I think Corey Burger has some problems with some stuff, but Jaap sent a few patches to make him happier. [01:01] Like the Shutdown button now brings up the logout dialogue [01:01] rather than just blindly shutting down the system [01:01] yes, Burgwork is a hard bone if it comes to usability, he's a perfectionist ;) [01:02] cool [01:02] Yes, he's cool. [01:02] Exams finsihed last week, and so far I've been committing patches like ther eis no tmw. [01:02] today I've made 11 commits to gnome cvs [01:02] heh === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-080-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] how's work? [01:03] hughsie: Hi [01:03] cool === schlomo [n=Doudou@ASt-Lambert-153-1-33-132.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] i just get a nightly meal ... [01:03] Hi [01:03] sorry to bother [01:03] mjg59, hi, you got a min? [01:03] bbl [01:03] hughsie: Basically, we're going to be using g-p-m as is [01:03] yay [01:03] mjg59, with the hal methods? [01:03] hughsie: I've hacked dbus lightly to get the semantics right for our security model [01:03] which version has been used to compile kernel 2.6.12.10-386 ? [01:03] hughsie: Yup [01:03] mjg59, *sweet* [01:04] I have to recompile alsa driver for snd-hda-intel [01:04] mjg59, there's lots of source tidy ups and code reduction in CVS. === sto [n=sto@debian/developer/sto] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] but CVG g-p-m depends on CVS hal... [01:04] :-) [01:04] any idea ? [01:04] hughsie: I've got a pam module that creates a lockfile when a user logs in, which includes the console [01:05] mjg59, like the rh at_console thing? [01:05] don't tell me gcc-3.5 because it's virtual package right now :) [01:05] hughsie: It's the at_console thing, except we check that the user is at the foreground console [01:05] Rather than just at /a/ console [01:05] please any tips ? [01:05] mjg59, so better than at_console :-) [01:05] So if there are two users at the console, only the current one can trigger suspends and play with the network and so on [01:06] hughsie: Yes :) [01:06] mjg59, makes sense [01:06] i ight steal the idea and bugzilla rh about it.. :-) [01:06] mjg59, I think i've solved the "gpm won't run at the login screen" problem [01:07] hum [01:07] hughsie: So the only thing I need to add now is a suid app that hal can call [01:07] thanks anyway [01:07] hughsie: Oh, coo [01:07] :) [01:07] using dbus activation, one instance of g-p-m can replace another. [01:07] and one instance can be gnome-power-console and have no GUI. [01:07] schlomo: cat /proc/version [01:07] hughsie: Ah, excellent [01:07] mjg59, that sound likea plan? [01:07] mjg59, one problem tho, [01:08] hughsie: Yes [01:08] gcc version 3.4.5 20050809 :) [01:08] mjg59 : thanks for the tips ;-) [01:08] mjg59, g-p-m has to use the system dbus connection, not the session connection [01:08] hughsie: Ah [01:08] as session gets created and destroyed all the time with login and logout [01:08] Yes [01:08] Hmm [01:08] We want to be able to have more than one g-p-m running, though [01:09] no big problem, same shit, different connection that's all === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] mjg59, what for? [01:09] Since more than one user may have a session [01:09] Or are we back to a system-wide g-p-m now? [01:09] mjg59, no -- :-) [01:10] With fast-user-switching, there may be two or more users with gnome sessions at once [01:10] mjg59, when the user is no longer at_console, the instance of g-p-m attached to that console quits, and the at_console instance gets started [01:10] but with fusa, only one should be at_console, no? [01:10] hughsie: With RH, multiple people can be at_console [01:10] With us, only one [01:10] mjg59, yes, but that is busted and wrong in my opinion [01:10] the rh case that is [01:11] But users can switch just by hitting ctrl+alt+F? [01:11] How do you catch that? [01:11] configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel. ? [01:11] I have to get source ? [01:12] why I can compile a module ? [01:12] schlomo: What are you trying to do? [01:12] on Hoary kernel I can [01:12] schlomo: You should probably be asking this on #ubuntu [01:12] mjg59, not sure of the details at the moment, i'm waiting for somebody to fix https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4637 === sto_ [n=sto@224.Red-80-59-203.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] sorry [01:12] so I can test it myself and get all the corner cases out [01:12] Ihave to recompile alsa module for snd-hda-intel [01:12] but at the moment session/system dbus is one #define change ;-) [01:13] on 2.6.12.10-i386 [01:13] schlomo: ask in #ubuntu, I'll help you. This is the wrong channel. [01:13] hughsie: Ok, cool [01:13] ok sorry [01:14] mjg59, whats the release date for dapper? [01:14] hughsie: April [01:15] no problem. new hal is expected in jan, so my big release is going to be a bit after that [01:15] Assuming fd#4637 gets fixed in time.... === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] mjg59, one last question (then i sleep) for the critical low sliders, currenly per-percent, in the discussion with Corey, he wanted then per-time (i.e. 5 minutes remaining, rather than 5% remaining) -- what's your take on this? [01:18] hughsie: I think per-time is sensible [01:18] But I think I've said that before :) [01:19] mjg59, i'm thinking so at the moment, but some batteries give wildly inaccurate times at low charges... is that not a worry? === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] hughsie: Hmm. How is the time less accurate than the percentage? [01:20] mjg59, if the resolution is say 2 minutes, and the battery dischange is non-linear (old/knackered batteries) then the time goes completely non-linear less than about 10 minutes [01:21] my new laptop battery is okay, but my old battery is accurate for the first 30 minutes, then exponentially crashes! [01:21] hughsie: Oh - so when we say "10 minutes" that might be entirely inaccurate? Hrm. [01:21] yes [01:21] I wonder if hal ought to learn [01:21] i normally hibernate at 1% (critical low) [01:21] Since spec-compliant batteries provide a model number and serial number [01:21] but one minute is not accurate enough at all. [01:22] mjg59, my batteries only differ by age. [01:22] hughsie: The serial number is identical? [01:22] Tch. [01:22] you can do some fancystuff in hal for non-linear discharges, but then you need a backing store for the data [01:22] not serial no, but model etc [01:22] Ok. Percentage based, but set the default based on the battery information? [01:22] hughsie: Right, that was what I meant [01:23] hughsie: hal could record the curve for individual batteries [01:23] That's quite advanced, though :) [01:23] mjg59, yes, but that requires a backing store for about 16k of data. I've thought about this one before [01:23] hughsie: Yeah. We have no mechanism for that now? [01:24] the percentage change should be set on the capacity, you're right. [01:24] i'll do that. [01:24] at the moment, g-p-p gives a "esimated time value" in small italics under the percentage slider. [01:24] Ok, that sounds good [01:24] you can see it in the glade file, but it only works (obvioulsy) when discharging. [01:25] As long as it doesn't default to warning me at a ridiculous time when I've got a big battery :) [01:25] yes, i'll fix that. defaults to 5% at the moment [01:27] mjg59, okay, thanks for the input. I sleep now. Happy Christmas all you Ubuntu'ers! [01:27] hughsie: Happy christmas! === sto_ is now known as sto === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.197.240] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === leonel [n=leonel@201.137.163.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schlomo [n=chatzill@ASt-Lambert-153-1-33-132.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] Hi [02:36] I have take some quotes from an article [02:36] yop schlomo [02:36] faut dormir il est tard ;) [02:37] about friendly documentation [02:37] and support options [02:37] yep [02:37] I think it very interesting [02:37] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6100 [02:37] just 3 rows [02:37] can you read please [02:38] does launchpad.net has been done for that purpose ? [02:38] where is that from ? [02:38] schlomo: demande sur #launchpad si tu veux parler de launchpad c'est mieux, c'est fait pour :) [02:38] ok :) [02:39] ACM === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487FFB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nekohayo [n=nekohayo@ip216-239-86-153.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lunitik [n=lunitik@ip68-231-8-75.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] Is there any work around for the locales issue? (bugzilla #21436) - I'd ask in #ubuntu but I'm banned.... === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnno@h11n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:22] k... thanks for your help :/ === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-1-248-232.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] liar, he isn't in the ban list === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A6079E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-61-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger_ [i=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-61-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-61-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h11n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] hello === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu__ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dr88dr88 [n=gerrit@h174218.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@210-55-43-223.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu__ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0FBBD.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@205-194.243.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sto [n=sto@debian/developer/sto] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-247-121.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] I recently upgraded to ubuntu dapper, but list my cute X11 mouse cursor [11:41] how do I regain it? :) [11:41] s/list/lost [11:41] I'm addicted to that cute thing! [11:42] oh, and there's some problems with the cups packages. Some rc.invoke script fails [11:42] and the latest kernel has it's include files installed wrongfully. But I simply installed the kernel source package, changed the version in version.h and used that to build my VMWare modules (which works) [11:43] would be nice if it would get fixed ;0 [11:43] ;) === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-70-16-64-188.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] pvanhoof, this is a developer channel, and most of the developers are on holiday [11:57] Besides, dapper is not an "upgrade" as long as it's not finished :-) [11:58] ok :) [11:58] You'd probably have better luck reporting bugs in bugzilla.ubuntu.com [11:58] yeah, was going to do that [11:59] pvanhoof: after all, you can always try to uninstall it first. then install it [11:59] oh, but I just installed it. Why would I want to uninstall it? :) [11:59] I meant the mouse cursor :) [12:00] ah, is it a package? [12:00] that might have slipped during the install then [12:00] err, upgrade [12:01] heh :) [12:01] try do that, it may fix it :) [12:01] which package? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-17-151-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] try xcursorgen with all it's dependencies === mahangu__ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0FBBD.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] wb [12:19] Is there some lag on the mirrors atm ? I received pitti's notice about new kernels 2 days ago, and still don't see them @ au.archive.ubuntu.com [12:19] Yagisan: I would expect them to be on security.ubuntu.com === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] jbailey: by default apt was set up with a breezy-security line and my "local" mirror [12:22] I'd assume that should have taken care of it [12:23] *shrug* I don't have good answers, only answer. 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[05:18] BenC: I have 32-bit user space, but I could test it later today if you want [05:18] lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/amd64-alternative-smp/ [05:18] I'm assuming that you'reconfident it won't trash my filesystem or anything like that... [05:18] it's an SMP kernel [05:18] yes, all should be safe [05:18] it will either crash or boot :) [05:19] model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ [05:19] which beast do I want for that? [05:19] after you boot it do "dmesg | grep SMP" and see if you see a message like "SMP alternatives: switching to UP code" [05:19] -k8-smp [05:20] fetching now - holler if someone beats me to testing it.. [05:20] the more testers the better [05:20] otherwise, I'll munge it and install once I get back from running to town and such. [05:20] ok [05:20] I'll plan on testing in any case then [05:20] no one has tested it yet [05:20] thanks [05:21] of course, if it comes up and tells me I have 2 processors, that'll be cool too.:-) === lamont notes that php5 is ftbfs (needs to switch to libd4.3) === lamont wanders off for a while === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.15-10-amd64-k8-smp' in `../linux-image-2.6.15-10-amd64-k8-smp_2.6.15-10.15_i386.deb'. [05:43] BenC: ping [05:49] lamont: is there a default -j to MAKEOPTS in the builders? [05:49] lamont: > 1 === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-236.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A62843.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:06] neuralis: pong [06:07] BenC: can you take a look at wiki/ServerTesting (bottom of page) and see what else you'd like on there? [06:07] i wrote that in 10 minutes at 4am, so i quite likely missed several things [06:09] reading... === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] neuralis: When reporting bugs, tell them to make sure to include atleast dmesg, and also check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures for other things they can do prior to submitting the bug report [06:15] will do. anything else they should be testing? [06:18] lamont: also, im told mvo can not build mono in even a breezy chroot on ppc buildd, which built fine before.. is something amiss with the system? [06:19] lamont: its not reproducable on similar systems [06:20] lamont: and it does also happen now for versions that worked before on that machine === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] neuralis: that's pretty close to it === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-168-233.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === decklin [i=decklin@ellington.rupamsunyata.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] where is the 'component' box in bugzilla? (when entering a new report) [07:00] decklin: for new bugreports you should use launchpad.net/malone [07:01] oh, ok. thank you. === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:09] argh. ok, i created a bugzilla account 10 minutes ago, and that generated password does not work on malone, but malone also says my email is already registered. [07:11] decklin: your wiki account should be your launchpad account [07:11] slomo: all new bugs are going to malone now? [07:12] Amaranth: afaik yes [07:12] Amaranth: i'm pretty sure i don't have a wiki account. [07:12] this is for an address i use on Debian packages, if that matters === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-77.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] (well, a reset worked. ok, sorry to bother everyone.) [07:24] <\sh> evening === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h11n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] tseng: no. gcc has certain options (-pipe) forced, and defaults certain others (but not on ppc) [08:07] tseng: what did change is possibly ppc vs ppc64 on the base system [08:08] there could also be toolchain diffs between when it built and when it shipped. === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h11n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] BenC: hrm... that new kernel requires a dapper initramfs-tools... what else does it need from dapper? [08:10] <\sh_away> merry christmas to all of you :) === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] \sh, to you too === psyke [n=psy@83.141.127.50] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.5.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dougsk [n=dougsk@65.61.112.84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === storm [n=joel@201-24-200-210.mganm703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dougsk [n=dougsk@65.61.112.84] has left #ubuntu-devel ["thanks] === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] merry xmas to you all! [08:51] does anyone happen to have an older version of xserver-xorg-driver-ati than xserver-xorg-driver-ati_6.5.7.2-0ubuntu1_i386? [08:55] <\sh> whiprush: your christmas present is on its way :) [08:55] heh [08:56] <\sh> ah well...dapper-changes message is already there :) [08:58] heh [08:58] neato, thanks! === ispiked [n=ispiked@unaffiliated/ispiked] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] <\sh> ok..guys ... have some nice presents...nice celebrations :) cu later these days :) === xhaker [n=xhaker@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] siretart, i got xserver-xorg-driver-ati_6.5.7-0ubuntu3_i386.deb === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-157-92.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] lamont: hm i ruled out toolchain on account of it failing the same on breezy chroot [10:12] lamont: and merry christmas, you have the patience of a saint [10:12] :P === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] lamont: probably udev === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] the locales package does not want to install [10:34] it is a dapper upgrade from flight CD 2 [10:35] any take? [10:37] dist-upgrade agaain [10:37] yes... a second try fixed it for me too ;) [10:38] I tried it several time [10:38] I'll try again [10:38] still the same [10:38] I tried 2 times in a row [10:38] all it says is [10:38] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb (--unpack): [10:38] subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 [10:38] Errors were encountered while processing: [10:39] its the preinst script [10:39] it doesnt check for the target dir before trying to write a file [10:39] oh [10:39] so? [10:39] is there a workaround? [10:40] (make the directory?) [10:40] mpitt email on ubuntu announce was not really clear [10:40] which directory? [10:40] yeah: sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/locales/supported.d [10:40] then it goes smoothly again [10:40] still [10:40] its not clear because its only a problem with dapper -> dapper [10:41] which isnt supported [10:41] yeah I knoe [10:41] bugzilla #21419 [10:42] sure [10:42] but the mkdir does not do anything [10:42] the directory already did exists [10:44] check the output of "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb" === Zdra [n=zdra@176-231.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gatorade [i=Gatorade@ip68-104-16-221.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] I have a problem with my live cd can anyone help? [11:21] When I load the cd my mouse does not respon [11:21] repond* [11:22] and the optical lights inside don't work === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] help === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === storm [n=joel@201-24-200-210.mganm703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] Gatorade: this is a channel for the developers to work together, try asking on #ubuntu