[12:06] <Burglaptop> finally got past that locales bug
[12:06] <mdke> cool
[12:06] <Burglaptop> this is cool
[12:06] <Burglaptop> http://live.gnome.org/Gedit_2fSnippetPlugin
[12:06] <mdke> how's the rehabilitation going?
[12:07] <Burglaptop> well, I am almost passed out from the pain this morning, so I didnt go to work today
[12:07] <mdke> shit
[12:07] <Burglaptop> the pain comes when I move, so as long as I sit still I am fine
[12:08] <Burglaptop> I fixed that s/Below/Under thing I did yesterday
[12:09] <Burglaptop> I hate having to break URLs like this, but I think we need to, because the other wikis are not appearing soon
[12:09] <Burglaptop> mdke: and did you have any thoughts on removing all the talk pages that merely list all the previous subpages?
=== mdke hmms
[12:10] <mdke> Burglaptop, yeah the talk pages can go. we kept them with the idea that some might be useful for making lists in the original pages, but that need has long gone away IMO
[12:10] <Burglaptop> ok, they are going to die now
[12:10] <mdke> it might be time to up the pace on BetterWikiDocs, you're right
[12:11] <mdke> brb
[12:12] <mdke> back
[12:17] <Burglaptop> I am expecting dapper+1 realisitically
[12:18] <mdke> depends i think
[12:18] <mdke> if we push it and work out a really good solution, we can get it done quicker
[12:22] <mdke> geez I can't upgrade here at my parents
[12:23] <mdke> must be the fascist ISP getting in the way
[12:28] <Burglaptop> why? apt uses port 80
[12:28] <mdke> yeah, working now
=== mdke shrugs
[12:28] <mdke> perhaps it was trying to resume an old download or something and didn't like it
[12:36] <Burglaptop> well, that should be all the talk pages
[12:36] <mdke> heh
[12:37] <Burglaptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItHasBegun
[12:37] <mdke> yeah i saw that once
[12:38] <mdke> nuke it
[12:38] <mdke> no changes since migration
[12:38] <Burglaptop> not linked anywhere
[12:39] <Burglaptop> dead
=== mdke sings in latin
[12:40] <Burglaptop> it's dead Jim
[12:40] <Burglaptop> I have been watching a great deal of Star Trek with my GF recently
[12:40] <mdke> with your girlfriend?
[12:40] <mdke> shocking
[12:41] <Burglaptop> she instigates it
=== mdke shakes head sadly
[12:42] <Burglaptop> I am not much of trek fan, but you know what they are women
[12:42] <Burglaptop> s/are/say
[12:44] <Burglaptop> about, even
[12:44] <Burglaptop> and I claim to speak english!
=== mdke tries to understand
[12:47] <Burglaptop> don't bother. Madpilot gave up years ago
[12:47] <mdke> hehe
[12:49] <mdke> geez dapper is so good, I'm really tempted just to dist-upgrade my breezy partition and use it for work
[12:50] <Burglaptop> X is going to break in early Jan, daniels warned yesterday
[12:51] <mdke> ah, is that version 7 coming in?
[12:51] <crimsun> yes
[12:51] <Burglaptop> yes, and some other breakage related to meta packages, from what i understand
[12:51] <mdke> ah hey crimsun 
[12:52] <mdke> but will it break even just doing upgrades, or will he keep the packages back until they are fixed?
[12:53] <Burglaptop> no, it is some upgrade issue
[12:53] <Burglaptop> daniel did not elaborate
[12:53] <mdke> ok
[12:53] <mdke> i generally feel that as long as I don't dist-upgrade, I'm safe
[01:06] <mdke> goddamn MenusRevisited!
[01:06] <mdke> xine isn't in my menu
[01:14] <Burglaptop> mdke: huh?
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[01:22] <mdke> Burglaptop, i installed xine, and it isn't in the menu
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[02:10] <Burglaptop> LaptopUsage or LaptopHowTo for a clearinghouse page for laptop usage on Ubuntu
[02:10] <Burglaptop> ?
[02:44] <Madpilot> hi all
[02:45] <mdke> lo
[02:46] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: you've started to spell "useful" as "userful", you know - I've seen it several times in your RecentChanges flood :P
[02:47] <mdke> the guy is on speed, give him a break :)
[02:47] <Burglaptop> no, it is because of my job
[02:47] <Madpilot> He also works for a company called "Userful" - maybe it's subtle advertising
[02:48] <Burglaptop> nope, when I try and spell userful, I usually spell it useful
[02:48] <mdke> i still blame the speed
[02:48] <mdke> or morphine or whatever
[02:48] <Madpilot> mdke: I think it's actually Tylenol, but whatever ;)
[02:49] <mdke> well whatever it is, it works
[02:49] <mdke> judging by RecentChanges
[02:49] <Burglaptop> actually it is boredom
[02:49] <Burglaptop> so, LaptopUsage or LaptopHowto for the clearinghouse page for help on using laptops
[02:50] <mdke> whatever you prefer
[02:50] <mdke> bloody hell this sounder crap is getting on my tits
[02:50] <mdke> 4 consecutive mails, on the same thread, by the same person??
[02:51] <Burglaptop> Scott?
[02:52] <mdke> yes this guy with all the anger
[02:52] <Burglaptop> angrykeyboarder indeed
[02:52] <mdke> this latest one
[02:53] <mdke> i'll summarise
[02:53] <Madpilot> does Sounder = Ubuntu Users, or are there still two mailing lists?
[02:53] <mdke> "we should have build-essential because linux geeks are surprised not to find them. If Ubuntu made more frequent updates, I'd have no need for compiling software..."
[02:53] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: there are still two
=== mdke swears
[02:54] <Burglaptop> mdke: more frequent updates???? 6 months is grueling enough
[02:54] <mdke> what a cock
[02:54] <Madpilot> OK - I'm on neither, but do sometimes check ubuntuforum's mirror of UUsers
[02:54] <mdke> bshumate, you rock! nice work on the wiki
[02:56] <Madpilot> that passwords page is great - and I'm going to be looking into Bastille more...
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[02:56] <mdke> really well written pages
=== Burglaptop produces a great deal of quantity
=== mdke pats
=== Madpilot crowns Burglaptop "RecentChanges Floodmeister" :P
[03:02] <Burglaptop> you ain't seen nothin' yet
[03:08] <mdke> and who is this guy going on about ALT all the time?
[03:08] <mdke> i can't understand any of his emails :(
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[03:47] <Burglaptop> mdke: you seen highvoltage recently?
[03:52] <Burglaptop> would you guys assume that if a page has had no edits recently, it likely hasn
[03:52] <Burglaptop> t got any views either?'
[03:53] <crimsun> depends
[03:53] <Burglaptop> for docs, I can assume so
[03:53] <crimsun> if the creation date of the page is pre-Hoary, I'd say that's a viable assumption
[03:53] <Burglaptop> especially things that look like braindumps of problems
[03:54] <Burglaptop> this still useful for us? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/doc/MoinToDocIdeas
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[04:34] <jsgotangco> happy holidays all!
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jsgotangco
[04:36] <jsgotangco> ho ho ho
[04:39] <Madpilot> Merry Bah Humbug to everyone! ;)
[04:40] <jsgotangco> wow even the -doc list is full of holiday spam
[04:42] <jsgotangco> brb
[04:51] <Burglaptop> do we need this either? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XMLProcessing
[04:52] <Madpilot> is there something else that needs that filename? if not, leave it...
[04:52] <Madpilot> have you considered starting an actual OrphanedPages page?
[04:58] <Burglaptop> nope
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[05:37] <Burglaptop> rob1: can we nuke FAQguide respec?
[05:37] <rob1> yep
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[08:03] <rob1> does anyone know what the url is to the fridge rss feed?
[08:03] <Burglaptop> nope, nor is it easily availabe
[08:04] <rob1> dang
[08:04] <rob1> why not?
[08:05] <Burglaptop> because it isn't
[08:05] <Burglaptop> email fridge-devel about it
[08:07] <rob1> bah
[08:07] <rob1> gya
[08:07] <rob1> s/gya/gay
[08:13] <Burglaptop> rob1: that is not a term we like to use around Ubuntu
[08:13] <Burglaptop> gay should not be used as an insult
=== rob1 shrugs
[08:18] <rob1> get over it Burglaptop 
[08:20] <Burglaptop> rob1: no, I am quite serious
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[08:23] <Burglaptop> rob1: you might have missed what I said. I said I was quite serious
[08:27] <rob1> haven't you got something better to do then harass me?
[08:28] <Burglaptop> I am not harassing you
[08:28] <Burglaptop> I find the term "gay" used as an epithet offensive
[08:29] <rob1> sure, but was it that big a deal?
[08:30] <crimsun> it can be, particularly with those of us who don't find gender labels very appropriate.
[08:30] <Burglaptop> gay is as offensive as calling someone a nigger
[08:30] <rob1> gee, when did everyone start getting all politically correct?
[08:30] <Burglaptop> or a kike. It it tolerated now, just as those terms were tolerated earlier in history
[08:31] <Burglaptop> it doesn't make it any better
[08:31] <Burglaptop> rob1: it has nothing to do with being PC. It has to do with respect
[08:32] <rob1> yeah ok Burglaptop
[08:32] <rob1> like you've never used such terms before
=== rob1 just shrugs and goes back to what he was doing
[08:33] <Burglaptop> not recently and I have made an effort to remove them because they are disrespectful
[08:35] <rob1> well good for you, no need to force your believes down my throat
[08:35] <crimsun> I certainly wouldn't use them in -devel, I'll put it that way.
[08:36] <crimsun> not only because there are Canonical and Ubuntu employees who would readily smack you down, but like Corey stated, it's disrespectful.
[08:36] <Burglaptop> rob1: it is not my beliefs. It is the Ubuntu code of conduct
[08:36] <Burglaptop> which incidentally all three of us have signed and are in a channel that is bound by it
[08:37] <rob1> like I said, surely you have something better to do. whats the big deal exactly?
[08:38] <crimsun> the big deal is the simple lack of respect
[08:38] <rob1> of what, exactly?
[08:39] <Burglaptop> rob1: I said that I found the term you used offensive
[08:39] <Burglaptop> and you choose to ridcule that belief
[08:40] <rob1> ok, well I apologize that you took it as being offensive, that wasn't the intent. 
[08:40] <Burglaptop> thank you
[08:41] <Burglaptop> and please don't use that term on any ubuntu channels again
[08:41] <Burglaptop> you might get a far harsher reception
[08:41] <Burglaptop> at least 2 of the Canonical employees are openly gay
[08:41] <rob1> whatever, you don't tell me what to do
[08:41] <Burglaptop> no, I made a request of you
[08:42] <rob1> you got your apologie, what more do you want?
[08:43] <Burglaptop> it is not about me rob1
[08:43] <Burglaptop> seperate the messenger from the message
[08:43] <rob1> get over it
[08:45] <Burglaptop> rob1: one of the things that Ubuntu is well known for a welcoming and inviting community to all
[08:45] <Burglaptop> people using the word "Gay" as an epipthet is not part of that
=== rob1 just puts this down to a difference in cultures
[08:45] <Burglaptop> and the precise reason the CoC was created
[08:46] <Burglaptop> rob1: in fact there a lot of people in Canada who use it to and I hate it from them as well
[08:46] <rob1> where I live, people don't get on the bandwagon about something as innocent as this
[08:46] <rob1> oh well..
[08:47] <Burglaptop> respect is one of those intangible things that you can lose with the smallest of things and must make the largest of efforts to gain back
[08:48] <Burglaptop> hence why we must think carefully about what we say and how we might offend other people, especially in a place where people can only see your text and not your body language and tone of speech
[08:50] <rob1> its not about respect, I made a momentary lapse in judgement - not something so bad as to publicly deserve the third degree
[08:50] <Burglaptop> that was not the third degree
[08:51] <rob1> if you had a problem with it, you should have pm'ed me instead and I would have quickly apologised. harping on in chan about something as ridiculous as this just gets you on the bad side of people
[08:52] <rob1> hence, I have no time for it
[08:55] <Burglaptop> I didn't mean to publicly embarrass you. I merely was pointing out something I found offensive. I am sorry if I offended you
[08:55] <rob1> ok
[08:55] <rob1> I'm off, I have christmas things to do
[08:55] <Madpilot> ... wow, the things I miss when I'm away from the computer...
[08:55] <Burglaptop> bon soir, Madpilot
[08:56] <Madpilot> just finished read the backscroll :P
[09:06] <Madpilot> I need to crash. Good night, Merry Christmas, and bah humbug to all - I'll be back on the 26th, probably.
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> night mate
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> see you round
[09:07] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: I'm going to shut down the server until I get back, too
[09:08] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: np
[09:08] <Madpilot> k. Later, all
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