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=== Topic for #ubuntu-artwork: Wrap up for Breezy and get a coherent development framework reader early in the Dapper cycle. A meeting on this and various other issues is due to occur soon, so stick around. :)
=== Topic (#ubuntu-artwork): set by klepas at Sat Oct 22 13:00:01 2005
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mhzklepas: hi there!05:39
mhz01:38 AM of sunday here in Chile05:40
mhzyou?05:40
klepas16:1106:11
klepasbe back in a little while06:11
klepasgot some hardware issues06:11
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klepasmhz: back :)07:05
klepasanyone awake?07:26
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lukacumorning11:46
klepasmoin11:48
klepasand Merry Christmas11:48
klepas:)11:49
lukacuhello klepas11:49
lukacuand merry christmas11:50
omegMerry Christmas everyone11:55
klepasso11:58
klepasyou guys11:58
klepaswhen would you like the art meeting held?11:58
lukacu29. 12. somewhere between 0900 and 2300 GTM ... 12:07
lukacu:)12:07
lukacuand we still have to write agenda12:08
klepasi've written it12:10
klepasall in that email12:10
klepasi just need to find it from the archives12:10
klepasand repost it12:10
klepasbecause the mail server seemed to have some problems with it12:10
lukacuok12:12
lukacui will paste it in wiki agenda page and then send the link to the ml12:13
klepasmmh12:16
klepascool12:16
klepashey12:16
klepaswhere can i find the ubuntu-art ML archives?12:16
lukacuhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/12:20
klepasoh12:20
klepasthanks :)12:20
klepasi'll send it out tonight12:22
mhzmoin12:41
mhzklepas: can I suggest you propose 2 dates and times are best for you, and then we -esp. the ones know nothing about art but will follow the lead- just vote ?12:42
klepasyep01:24
klepashow about we set up a vote?01:24
klepasi can set up a poll on my website01:24
mhzcool01:25
mhzor, the harder or less friendly way but keeping a moin record, would be we vote using Moin features for tables and icons01:27
mhz:)01:27
klepasyep01:33
klepasmmh01:33
klepascould you set that up?01:33
mhzsure!01:38
mhzmy only doubt is if users will give some loving to it ;)01:38
mhzwell, Moin users, yes. We like moin very much so we appreciate these details01:39
klepasmoin?01:39
klepasi know the expression01:39
klepasbut if it something else, then i'm confused :)01:39
mhzheheh, the other use, klepas, is Moin = MoinMoin wiki, the technology we use in Ubuntu sites01:43
klepasah, :)01:51
mhzklepas: ping02:53
mhzklepas: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/ArtworkTeamMeetings02:53
mhzedit as you need02:53
=== mhz will have breakfast now
=== mhz bbl
lukacumhz: good template, now all we have to do is to think of two proposals :)03:02
mhzlukacu: hehe, indeed03:07
mhzklepas, lukacu, artnay, guys: do you think ArtTeam should cover all 'art' aspects? wiki CSS, icons, logos, themes for all desktops (gnome, kde, xcfe, wmaker, fluxbox, fwm, etc), wallpapers, licensing issues, etc?03:11
mhzluanchpad artwork?03:11
klepasyea03:15
klepaswould be nice03:15
klepassince the eventual goal of the art team is to work on all art03:15
artnayumh03:15
artnayhello guys03:16
klepashey artnay 03:16
klepasMerry Christmas!03:16
artnaymhz: I'd like to see more contributions on *box, E17 etc. themes in AUC03:16
artnayklepas: did you request imagemagick?03:16
klepasfor AUC server?03:16
artnayyes03:17
artnaylaunchpad is proprietary so we should ask before doing anything03:17
klepasyea03:18
klepasfor now03:18
klepaswiki ought to do03:18
artnaythe main focus should be on GNOME desktop03:18
klepaswe're not that special03:18
klepasartnay: for now03:18
artnayright? at least most of ubuntu users do use G03:19
klepasbut once we unite KDE and XFCE people as well...03:19
mhzlaunchpad is not Free as In freedom?????03:22
mhzyup, could any of you 'the more active' people send an email to each desktop ML, please? 03:23
mhztelling them you are cordinating a meeting we'd like them to attend?03:24
artnayat least desktop team should be informed. they might do some dupe work03:24
artnaylittle co-operation here03:24
mhzIMHO, all art related team should coordinate stuff here and work 'locally' in their # if they want03:26
artnaywhy isn't there any usability tests that both tango and oxygen would use? or is there?03:29
mhzartnay: maybe you could ask in the Accessibility Team ML03:29
mhzHenrik and others are real committed to a11y issues03:30
mhzartnay: sorry03:30
mhzI mean, you could email those guys, or if you want.. I paste the body (I am subscribed to that ML)03:31
artnaysorry about what? :)03:32
mhz.oO(but again... that is a subject that really needs help and I am too ignorant, so I follow their lead)03:32
mhzinviting them to the art meeting03:32
mhzthey are trying to provide Ubuntu ready-to-use by people with physical problems03:32
=== klepas is doing the poll now :)
klepasdone!03:35
klepaseveryone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamMeetings03:35
=== mhz tabbing
artnaymhz: what about scim? :o03:36
klepasand a new mail is out03:36
mhzscim?03:36
klepasdone03:36
klepasnow we just wait03:36
mhzcool, klepas, I will just edit a small typo03:37
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:klepas] : Art Team meeting soon! Please place your vote on an applicable time slot now [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamMeetings] to make this meeting happen. Merry Christmas everyone! :)
klepasthere we are :)03:38
artnayumh03:38
klepasdid i miss something artnay ? :)03:39
artnayartwork-todo should be updated and splitted into wiki pages 03:39
artnaywiki rework, eh?03:39
klepasyep03:40
klepasbtw03:40
klepashttp://wombat.nuxified.com/node/10603:40
klepas:)03:40
mhzklepas: we have a little issue03:40
klepasmhz: yep?03:40
mhzklepas: can I suggest we have a due date for voting?03:40
mhz:)03:40
klepasyes, good idea03:40
mhzOtherwise, people will vote last hour03:40
mhzor too late03:40
mhzklepas: BUT03:41
mhzdon't edit yet, please03:41
mhzI am there as well03:41
klepasi know03:41
mhz;)03:41
mhzoh03:41
klepasi'm getting the warning :)03:41
mhzright03:41
klepas:)03:41
mhzI love Moin wiki!03:41
mhznow the BUT is:03:41
mhzif 1st date is Tuesday 13 GMT...03:41
mhzclosing voting is Monday?03:42
mhzand today is Sunday here :D03:42
lukacumhz: oh ... ive already cast my vote ... i hope it is ok03:42
mhzhehehe03:42
mhzwe'll see03:42
klepasmonday would be good03:42
mhzthx for telling me, so can be cautious and copy my content before 'saving' (just in case)03:42
mhzmonday, klepas03:43
mhzanother issue03:43
mhzis that standrard meeting calls are UTC03:43
mhz(based on other ubuntu meetings03:43
mhzklepas: so, what UTC time will we close voting?03:44
klepasum03:44
klepaswhat's the place in the world03:44
klepasthat is furthest behind03:44
mhzhehehe, no idea :)03:45
klepasbecause then it would be 23:59 UTC of that time03:45
mhzI know Chile is currently UTC -303:45
klepasprobably Greenwhich, England03:45
klepas20 UTC?03:45
klepashttp://mirror.linux.org.au/podcasts/la-update/laupdate_ep_12_20051224.ogg <--- 09:50 minutes into the show ;)03:46
mhzwhich date is 13 GMT = UTC ?03:46
mhzsorry!  which time is 13 GMT = UTC ?03:46
=== klepas is clueless
klepasmmh03:46
klepasbet there is some sort of converter on the net03:46
=== mhz is saving changes so you see his idea for moin syntax
klepasyep03:48
lukacumhz: according to http://www.dxing.com/utcgmt.htm utc and gmt are the same...03:49
mhzLOL!!!03:49
lukacuif that was the question...03:49
klepasany of you guys downloaded this -> http://mirror.linux.org.au/podcasts/la-update/laupdate_ep_12_20051224.ogg03:50
mhzyup, lukacu 03:50
klepas?03:50
mhzklepas: what is that ogg about?03:50
klepasLinux Australia update03:52
klepashas an interview with me in it03:52
klepas:P03:52
klepas09:40-ish onwards03:52
lukacuklepas: downloading it right now :)03:53
klepas;)03:53
klepasbasically...03:53
klepasthere is this thing called LCA03:53
klepasLinux Conference Australia03:53
klepaslargest GNU/Linux and open source conference in the southern hemisphere03:54
klepasthe next one is on in 28 days03:54
klepas23rd January, 200603:54
klepasfor 7 days03:54
klepasLinus Torvald, Mark Shuttleworth, Andrew Fitzsimon and Jeff Waugh are just some of the people going03:55
klepasand LA, Linux Australia, of which I am a member, has just had a member of the year award03:55
klepaswhich someone nominated me for03:55
klepasand now i seemed to have won03:55
lukacu:D03:55
klepasso i'll be attending LCA 2006 as well03:55
klepas:)03:55
=== mhz is done with Moin syntaxis. He thinks it's ok now
=== mhz gotta cook
mhz:(03:56
klepasthanks mhz_BBL :)03:57
mhz_BBLyw, klepas later on, I may also add a wiki page for the meeting in the url you pasted03:58
klepasah, rightio03:59
klepasthanks so much03:59
lukacuklepas: listening to the ogg... ;)03:59
klepasmuch appreciated03:59
klepaslukacu: yea... me + excitement = bad interview03:59
klepasand i am very excited right now04:00
=== klepas will try to lynch as many Ubuntu related things from the conference, whether cds, posters, advertising things, bookmarks and whatnot else
=== klepas will also try to get Mark Shuttleworth to sign an Ubuntu cd :)
lukacuklepas: 9:30 now04:07
lukacu;)04:07
klepas:)04:13
klepaswhat do you think? :)04:18
lukacuit is a good interview but the quality of the ogg is a bit poor... i could not understand evrything04:19
lukacubut then again i am not a native english speaker ;)04:20
klepasyea04:20
klepasconnection wasn't all too good04:20
lukacubut i ve got lots of info about you ... similar to reading a cv :)04:22
klepasnow you do, or you had?04:24
lukacuwhat? ... now i have ... from this interview 04:24
klepasah, good :)04:25
klepashehe04:25
lukacuwhy would i collect info about you before ;)04:25
klepaslol04:25
klepasi don't know04:25
klepasit's all here [http://wombat.nuxified.com/about] 04:25
klepaswell the basics :)04:25
lukacui am not some kind of freak ... or like let say cia :D04:25
klepaslol04:27
klepaslukacu the stalker04:27
klepas:P04:27
lukacuhowever i thought you were older ... like 25 or something :)04:28
lukacudont know why realy04:29
klepashehe04:30
klepasfrom the interview's voice04:30
klepasor just from before?04:30
lukacufrom before and form the voice :)04:31
lukacus/form/from04:31
klepasah, rightio04:33
klepaswell...04:33
lukacuand the part about german roots ... you have german roots or is germany just the place of your birth?04:33
klepasborn there04:33
klepasand i am still german04:33
klepasand we speak it at home04:33
klepasother than that04:33
klepasI am a citizen of the world!04:33
lukaculol04:34
klepasi consider myself one04:34
klepasnot particularly drawn to Australia04:34
klepasor Germany04:34
klepasin patriotism04:34
klepasi mean, lovely places04:34
klepasbut national pride of any country04:34
klepas=non04:35
klepasby the way04:35
klepashttp://wombat.nuxified.com/gallery/Photos/Graduation-Formal-2005/S4301470-small.jpg04:35
klepasphoto of me04:35
klepasthis year :)04:35
klepasactually. this month04:35
lukacu:)04:35
klepasi guess i don't look 16 in that either, eh?04:36
lukacuno :D04:36
klepaswhat would you judge?04:36
lukacuum? ... judge what?04:39
klepasage04:39
klepasfrom the picture04:39
lukacuoh04:40
lukacui am not really goot at judging from pictures but id say 2004:41
lukacu:)04:41
lukacuat least04:41
=== klepas laughs
klepascool :)04:42
lukacumind though that i am realy not good at that ;)04:43
klepasno problems :)04:43
klepasalright04:43
artnayumh, did I miss something? :)04:43
klepasmake sure you've voted04:43
klepasboth of you04:43
=== artnay reading
klepassee the topic04:43
lukacui have ... or at least i think i have :)04:44
klepas:)04:45
klepastime to sleep m'thinks04:45
klepasgood night/day04:45
klepasand a Merry Christmas to all of you04:45
klepascheerio :)04:45
lukacugood night klepas04:45
mhz_BBLartnay: ping08:42
lukacuhello mhz08:45
mhzlukacu: hi08:46
mhzso far.. thursday it is08:46
lukacuyes08:46
lukacuhow can i see whole history of the page in moinmoin wiki?08:48
mhzsimple..08:48
mhzlukacu: just the history of 1 page?08:48
lukacuyes ... i am used to mediawiki08:48
mhzthen, click on GetInfo08:48
mhzlukacu: mediawiki is very cool08:49
mhzhowever, I have my strong point in favor of Moin ;)08:49
lukacusimple indeed :D08:49
mhzhehe08:49
mhzthat's the idea08:49
mhzlukacu: did yo know that Moin data is 100% filed as plain text? so backing up is copy/paste process08:50
artnayhey mhz08:51
lukacumhz: what do you mean by plain text? ... no database?08:51
mhzartnay: good you are here08:51
artnaymhz: you too :)08:52
mhzlukacu: that's the magic of it. Moin devel guys did a very clever use of their Python Powers08:52
mhzjust plain text08:52
lukacunice08:52
mhzbut the front end is nice html :)08:52
lukacumhz: you have mentioned a wiki page for agenda before?08:54
mhzyup, I am 3 minutes of creating such page08:54
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lukacu:)08:55
artnayok, so next thing would be doing a wiki page of artwork-todo08:59
lukacuyeah ... thats the agenda page i think ... or not?09:00
artnaywell the artwork-todo page there on the post is outdated09:04
artnayhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-December/000543.html09:04
artnayand the copy is on klepas' server09:04
artnayso if we want to edit that, let's do a wiki page of it09:04
artnaybecause we need separate pages for all that stuff, maybe one could utilize the information that's been written there09:05
lukacuok09:05
artnayis it too dirty if we paste it all to one page for now?09:06
artnayit is, it should be separated now :)09:07
mhzplease guys, visit http://wiki.edubuntu.org/ArtworkTeamMeetings09:08
lukacuit is ok if we put it on a single page ... just add some wiki syntax09:08
mhzand also.. http://wiki.edubuntu.org/ArtworkTeamVoting09:09
artnaymhz: that makes me wonder... it's out of ubuntu wiki09:09
mhzhahaha09:09
mhznope09:09
mhznot at all09:09
mhzsee same url and change for ubuntu instead09:10
mhzand add https09:10
lukacuand com09:10
mhzall wikis in ubuntu sites09:10
mhzshare same /data dir09:10
artnaysilly me 09:10
mhznot silly09:10
mhzI had same problem the first time i saw it09:11
mhz:D09:11
artnayfor fuck's sake!09:14
artnayI was just writing a wiki page when FX locked up!09:15
artnayand that happens only in GNOME, dammit09:15
artnayFX is behaves 100 percently correct in KDE, IceWM, E17 and fluxbox09:15
lukacuthats strange09:16
lukacuit behaves (mostly) fine on my pc ... but hey, thats software ;)09:18
artnayok now09:28
artnayhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList09:28
artnayit's quite GNOME-centric09:28
artnaynow some [[BR}}ing :p09:28
artnayor then not if I'm going to do typos like that09:29
artnayyep, I definitely am09:31
lukacu:)09:31
artnaynow it's time for a ciggie, after that I might try to get something done09:32
artnayhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList09:48
artnayI did some cleaning on it09:48
artnayhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal - link to meeting added09:53
artnaythat page should be cleaned as well... :)09:53
mhz_thinkingartnay: i'll be able to take a look at it in about 1 hour, probebly :(09:54
=== mhz_thinking BBS
artnaymhz, still thinking? :)10:35
artnaylukacu: any word of imagemagick?11:30
lukacuno11:31
lukacuno word from henrik at all11:31
lukacudont know what to do next11:31
artnaysame thing with the branding guide11:36
artnayhope they could show up when the meeting takes place11:36
lukacuyeah11:37
artnayanyways, I've been informing people (Ubuntuforums members, desktop team on IRC) of the upcoming meeting11:40
lukacugood work ... i think you should be a substitute leader of the team11:42
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artnayrather not11:42
artnayhey lllmanulll 11:42
artnayanyways, I mailed volvoguy11:43
lukacuartnay: thats just my opinion11:43
artnaylukacu: I'll do what I can, but I think I have some timing problems :(11:44
lukacuoh ... what kind of timing problems?11:44
artnaylukacu: work, girlfriend and such :p11:44
artnaylllmanulll: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal11:45
lukacuartnay: oh ... dont we all have that kind of timing problems ;)11:45
artnaylllmanulll: there will be a meeting most probably on the 29th of Dec. hopefully you can participate!11:45
lllmanulllHey there :)11:46
=== lllmanulll wishes a merry christmas to everyone
artnayyou too, mate11:46
lllmanulllartnay : sure, I'll be tere :)11:46
lukacuhohoho ... merry christmas to you too lllmanulll11:46
lllmanulllartnay : will there be an announcement on the list ?11:48
artnaylllmanulll: there already is, actually two of them11:48
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nomedhi all11:49
artnayhi nomed11:49
lukacuhello nomed11:49
nomedi would try to make an ubuntu-artwork like package for my project ...11:50
nomedis there any tut i can follow ?11:50
artnayask ogra, he has packaged that meta-package11:50
nomedi see that ubuntu-artwork source has been made using some tool ..11:51
nomedthere are Makefile.am | in and so on ..11:51
artnayno, sorry. actually apt-cache show gives me this: Maintainer: Jeff Waugh <jdub@perkypants.org>11:51
artnayalthough ogra is the packager of artwork team11:51
nomedogra ? :)11:52
nomedare you available ... ?11:52
artnay /msg jdub, he likes all kind of bugging :p11:52
nomedartnay, i see that in the roadmap there are even entries about metadistros .. it would be nice to have a tut about packaging metadistros' artworks ..11:52
nomedhehehehe11:53
artnaysounds like a tutorial that should be covered in /Artwork ;)11:54
artnaynomed: what is your project? may I ask?11:56
nomedhttp://www.dsslive.org.test.ibiblio.org/mediawiki/11:56
artnayoh, nice. one for me, please.11:57
nomedi'm organizing now the new home page ..11:58
nomedi switched to mediawiki .. 11:58
nomedand the "core" syuff is done .. time to fix the packages ...11:58
nomedi need to generate a new trunk within svn for dsslive-artwork .. 11:59
nomedand i link from there these images11:59
nomedhttp://www.dsslive.org.test.ibiblio.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap-0.3-1:Menu#File_Managers11:59
nomedthat's way i need now to know how to generate such package12:00

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