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| hub | still can't insall locales | 01:24 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 2 released | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Keybuk at Wed Dec 14 23:49:11 2005 | ||
| === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, services and participating registered users ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )... Thanks! | ||
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| zakame | config | 04:04 |
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| poimen | someone here writes in c? | 04:32 |
| bmonty | elmo: please sync solfege from unstable, ok to drop ubuntu changes | 04:40 |
| crimsun | hey, I was just going to ask ;) | 04:40 |
| bmonty | crimsun: heh...I beat you to it, and you opened a dup bug :) | 04:41 |
| crimsun | bmonty: :) | 04:42 |
| bmonty | Merry Christmas! | 04:42 |
| crimsun | you, too :) | 04:42 |
| zakame | still gard at work huh? :) | 04:45 |
| zakame | *hard | 04:45 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:floam] : www.myspace.com | ||
| tseng | floam: what the hell | 05:28 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:seth_k|lappy] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 2 released | ||
| seth_k|lappy | thank goodness for topic history | 05:46 |
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| floam | tseng: what the fuck | 06:58 |
| floam | god damn it, sorry | 06:58 |
| floam | tseng: it's xmas, some 12 year old found this PC. | 06:58 |
| floam | guess they thought xchat's topic bar would take them to a website | 06:59 |
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| desrt | hahahah | 07:02 |
| desrt | xchat's topic bar does look remarkably like a webbrowser location bar | 07:03 |
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| zakame | is it just me, or did somebody delete PrintingRoadmap in the wiki? | 08:00 |
| zakame | ah, it was moved... ignore /me | 08:02 |
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| robertj | anything horribly broke in dapper at the moment? | 07:06 |
| ogra_ibook | not here | 07:06 |
| robertj | dist-upgrade it is then! | 07:07 |
| === robertj hopes for a gnome-phone-manager miracle | ||
| ogra_ibook | hmm... i wouldnt *dist*-upgrade | 07:07 |
| ogra_ibook | (at least not in a development release) | 07:07 |
| robertj | nothing on this machine, so no need to worry | 07:08 |
| ogra_ibook | your choice ;) | 07:08 |
| Robot101 | ogra_ibook: the key is reading what apt suggests... :P | 07:10 |
| robertj | my key is apathy | 07:10 |
| ogra_ibook | Robot101, exactly :) | 07:10 |
| robertj | although I do remember about 6 years ago one dist-upgrade decided base needed to go | 07:11 |
| ogra_ibook | my key is cherrypicking from the held back packages# | 07:11 |
| tseng | i dont have anything held back | 07:12 |
| tseng | last was gnome-cups | 07:12 |
| ogra_ibook | i installed flight 2 on this lappie yesterday, there was a lot held back | 07:12 |
| ogra_ibook | (not anymore though) | 07:13 |
| === robertj was kinda bummed to not see any relicencing talk on rhythmbox-devel | ||
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| hub | robertj: locales does not install for me | 07:35 |
| hub | I filed a bug | 07:35 |
| ogra_ibook | does not install for you ? or does not set the locales ? | 07:37 |
| hub | fails to install | 07:38 |
| ogra_ibook | oh, odd ... | 07:38 |
| hub | I filed a bugzilla | 07:38 |
| ogra_ibook | works fine here | 07:38 |
| hub | yeah I know | 07:38 |
| ogra_ibook | i just have to run locale-gen manually | 07:38 |
| hub | can't | 07:38 |
| robertj | how's your new laptop? | 07:47 |
| hub | robertj: fast | 07:49 |
| ogra_ibook | hub, hwat is it ? | 07:49 |
| ogra_ibook | *what | 07:49 |
| robertj | yeah, I upgraded from a 1.6ghz celeron to a 1.4 ghz celeron and was shocked at the speed increase, I'm sure yours had to be substantial ;) | 07:49 |
| robertj | btw, I still really like my G3 900 ibook when it is working | 07:49 |
| hub | ogra_ibook: ibm z60t | 07:49 |
| ogra_ibook | cool | 07:50 |
| robertj | it's been back twice for the logic board and now I've got a power adapter I have to order but work is footing the bill, otherwise I'd be mad | 07:50 |
| hub | robertj: from g3/400 to Centrino 1.73 | 07:50 |
| ogra_ibook | i got me this shiny G4 ibook :) | 07:50 |
| hub | ogra_ibook: with the unsupported wireless? | 07:50 |
| ogra_ibook | got it working fine now | 07:51 |
| ogra_ibook | just compiled the latest bcm43xx trunk | 07:51 |
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| ogra_ibook | the one in the 2.6.15-9 package locked my system ... | 07:52 |
| robertj | what I want to know is if the intel ibook will have two mouse buttons, if I so I think that may be my next work laptop, otherwise it will probably be a tablet model | 07:52 |
| ogra_ibook | call apple and ask ;) | 07:53 |
| ogra_ibook | i have no prob using the synaptics driver over here ... so i got virtually 3 mouse buttons | 07:53 |
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| robertj | I don't like the touch to click, I always turn it off | 07:54 |
| robertj | yup, locals busted here as well | 07:55 |
| tuhl | is this a know bug in the devel branch: cupsd is always exiting | 07:55 |
| robertj | err locales | 07:55 |
| robertj | and yup, running it by hand is still b0rk | 07:55 |
| ogra_ibook | make sure the langpacks are installed too | 07:56 |
| hub | robertj: I hate touch to click as well | 07:57 |
| robertj | it just feels bad to me but I wonder if there are also RSI implications | 07:57 |
| hub | bugz 21489 | 07:57 |
| ogra_ibook | i prefer it to extensive f12 usage | 07:58 |
| hub | ogra_ibook: I catch myself doing that on the ibm | 07:58 |
| robertj | caps lock seems like a good candidate for that | 07:58 |
| ogra_ibook | heh | 07:58 |
| hub | robertj: that bug I mentionned is about the locales | 07:58 |
| robertj | I err...don't know what I do...I guess I hit f12 but maybe I just don't right click... | 07:58 |
| robertj | touch to scroll however is great | 07:59 |
| ogra_ibook | ++ | 07:59 |
| robertj | what's going on these days in directory-services land on the integration front? | 08:03 |
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| wasabi_ | hahahaha im on the internet | 08:38 |
| ogra_ibook | wasabi_, nope... youre wrong, we're all in your lan :P | 08:42 |
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| poningru | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/clique | 08:46 |
| wasabi_ | haha | 08:51 |
| mjg59 | Hurrah! | 08:57 |
| mjg59 | It says "No Dialtone" | 08:58 |
| mjg59 | Now I just need to plug it into a phoneline and test | 08:58 |
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| hub | poningru: I read that one | 09:00 |
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| mhz | ogra_ibook: I have been told LP is not 'free as in freedom'. Is that so? | 09:13 |
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| ogra_ibook | mhz, yes, it will be GPLed one day | 09:14 |
| ogra_ibook | mhz, but its currently proprietary software | 09:15 |
| mhz | ogra_ibook: and why is that Ubuntu people promote and prefer such propietary software to develop Freedom? | 09:15 |
| ogra_ibook | because it offers functionallity nothing else offers | 09:16 |
| ogra_ibook | its built around our needs ... | 09:16 |
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| Robot101 | because the power of launchpad is that it's one place to track everything | 09:17 |
| mhz | Track and Tutos do such thing, probably. | 09:17 |
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| ogra_ibook | mhz, dont worry it will become GPL eventually... | 09:17 |
| mhz | that 'eventually' is my concern | 09:17 |
| Robot101 | mhz: launchpad has more resource to track the development of essentially all free software | 09:18 |
| mhz | everytime I speak about ubuntu I make emphasis on the 'freedom' part | 09:18 |
| Robot101 | mhz: if it worries you, don't use it until it's free. until then, it might help other people to track stuff... | 09:18 |
| mhz | Robot101: sure. It is just that I was blind because I took for granted that a development of the high category as ubuntu, and that also promotes freedom of access to knowledge, it was obviously using free software. | 09:21 |
| ogra_ibook | mhz, ubuntu will be built using 100% launchpad in the future ... launchpad will give you easy features to build a 100% wmaker based edubuntu as youre asking for all the time ;) | 09:21 |
| Robot101 | will a dapper kernel work on breezy? I need some new DVB USB drivers | 09:28 |
| ogra_ibook | the kernel *might* work ... but i'm not sure if you also have to pull in new udev | 09:31 |
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| === Robot101 whistles innocently as he realises he's not had breezy-security in his sources list since it released | ||
| === ogra_ibook looks for ways to hack into Robot101's system | ||
| Robot101 | is there a handy way to make machines e-mail you when new updates become applicable? | 09:45 |
| mjg59 | Robot101: There's a cronjob on the SRCF that does it | 09:55 |
| Robot101 | mjg59: dapper kernel + breezy = win? | 09:59 |
| mjg59 | Robot101: Pretty much | 09:59 |
| mjg59 | Robot101: Oh, and I still need to actually /test/ it, but I may have a (mostly) free driver for the Thinkpad modems | 10:00 |
| Robot101 | cool | 10:00 |
| hunger_ | mjg59: Cool! Where can I get it? | 10:00 |
| mjg59 | hunger_: Hang on :) | 10:00 |
| mjg59 | hunger_: Need to check it works, then I need to hack it so it builds sensibly, then I need to figure out if it works on other chipsets | 10:01 |
| mjg59 | hunger_: What's the PCI ID of your device at 00:1f.6 ? | 10:01 |
| Robot101 | 0000:00:1f.6 0703: 8086:24c6 (rev 01) | 10:01 |
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| mjg59 | Robot101: I know what yours is :p | 10:01 |
| Robot101 | :P | 10:01 |
| hunger_ | mjg59: Dunno... let me check the wiki... | 10:01 |
| === mjg59 goes to find the laptop | ||
| Robot101 | argh, nieces to bed = crying nearby... upstairs was quiet until now | 10:02 |
| hunger_ | mjg59: lspci says: 0000:00:1e.3 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03) | 10:03 |
| Robot101 | hunger_: lspci -n? | 10:03 |
| hunger_ | Robot101: Dunno... no OS on my laptop at the moment... | 10:03 |
| hunger_ | Robot101: LiveCD does not boot on it, so I couldn't fix it yet. | 10:03 |
| === hunger_ is grabbing a ubuntu breezy live CD right now. | ||
| mjg59 | hunger_: Ok, not the same as mine, then | 10:04 |
| mjg59 | I'll need to do a couple of quick tests first | 10:04 |
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| mjg59 | Gah | 10:08 |
| hunger | Damn connection... | 10:08 |
| mjg59 | Why does minicom not work? | 10:08 |
| ogra_ibook | yes, t-online has issues today | 10:08 |
| hunger | ogra_ibook: I am at 1und1... that has issues every day:-( | 10:08 |
| ogra_ibook | oh | 10:09 |
| ogra_ibook | luckily i cant get 1+1 over here | 10:09 |
| hunger | ogra_ibook: I guess I cause about 4 times thwe traffic due to having to restart downloads then I would do if my connection would stay up for longer then max. 2h. | 10:09 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. It seems keen on "No Dialtone" even when connected to a phoneline | 10:10 |
| ogra_ibook | thats odd | 10:10 |
| hunger | mjg59: That is what I get with slmodem on my modem as well:-( | 10:10 |
| mjg59 | hunger: If you don't have a smartlink, that's what you'd expect | 10:11 |
| hunger | mjg59: Yes... but slmodem used to work with my old laptop (which claimes to be AC97 as well), so I thought it might be worth a try. | 10:11 |
| mjg59 | hunger: Rather, it'll work with anything that properly complies to the MC97 spec, which Conexants don't | 10:12 |
| === hunger goes to bed. Maybe the liveCD will be downloaded when I get up tomorrow (which I doubt). | ||
| hunger | mjg59: "The good thing about standards is that there are so many to misinterpret when convinient.". | 10:14 |
| mjg59 | hunger: Oh, I think this one was deliberate | 10:14 |
| hunger | mjg59: Misinterpretions often are:-( | 10:15 |
| ogra_ibook | hmm, g-p-m really needs to look at the time ... | 10:15 |
| Robot101 | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 10:15 |
| Robot101 | busybox-cvs-initramfs hotplug | 10:15 |
| Robot101 | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 10:15 |
| Robot101 | busybox-initramfs libsysfs2 linux-image-2.6.15-9-686 pcmciautils | 10:15 |
| Robot101 | The following packages will be upgraded: | 10:15 |
| Robot101 | grepmap initramfs-tools libselinux1 linux-image-686 module-init-tools | 10:15 |
| Robot101 | ubuntu-minimal udev | 10:15 |
| Robot101 | what could possibly go wrong? :) | 10:15 |
| ogra_ibook | my battery still has 1.5h to go but the icon is deep red | 10:15 |
| ogra_ibook | Robot101, try to omit udev | 10:16 |
| ogra_ibook | Robot101, the new udev conflicts with hotplug, we dont use it anymore | 10:16 |
| Robot101 | it pulled in udev itself | 10:17 |
| ogra_ibook | ouch | 10:17 |
| ogra_ibook | not sure if it will work with breezy then | 10:17 |
| Robot101 | why? that's getting a new udev for me | 10:18 |
| Robot101 | and a new mkinitramfs | 10:18 |
| Robot101 | looks fine to me | 10:18 |
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| ogra_ibook | all the old hotplug stff in the apps will rely on hotplug being there ... | 10:18 |
| Robot101 | what hotplug stuff in the apps? | 10:19 |
| ogra_ibook | dunno, i transitioned kino which has issue with the hotplug scripts for example | 10:19 |
| Robot101 | robot101@thubuntu:/etc/hotplug$ dpkg -S /etc/hotplug | 10:19 |
| Robot101 | libsane, hotplug, libgphoto2-2, alsa-base, linux-sound-base: /etc/hotplug | 10:19 |
| mjg59 | ogra_ibook: If they do, then dependencies aren't tight enough | 10:19 |
| Robot101 | those things? | 10:19 |
| ogra_ibook | it expects certain hotplug scripts to be there for jogdial stuff | 10:20 |
| mjg59 | ogra_ibook: Can you file a bug, then? | 10:20 |
| ogra_ibook | dunno which other apps might have issues, but i suspect there are more | 10:20 |
| mjg59 | If the system is in a consistent state, then things should work | 10:20 |
| mjg59 | If they don't, it's a failure in our packaging | 10:20 |
| ogra_ibook | mjg59, since i care for kino, i'll just fix it with the next upload ;) | 10:20 |
| Robot101 | ogra_ibook: fix it with correct dependencies too though :) | 10:21 |
| ogra_ibook | mjg59, if apps put stuff in /etc/hotplug.d they wont know its gone in breezy | 10:21 |
| Robot101 | ogra_ibook: yes, so they should depend on hotplug | 10:21 |
| mjg59 | ogra_ibook: Then udev needs to conflict with those packages | 10:21 |
| Robot101 | or that :) | 10:21 |
| mjg59 | Though yes, the correct behaviour was for them to depend on hotplug | 10:22 |
| mjg59 | (There are exceptions for packages that are essential, which makes life more awkward) | 10:22 |
| Robot101 | hmm, bringing dapper near my sources list has an interesting effect on my half-baked dbus situation | 10:22 |
| === Robot101 comments out dapper and finishes the plain breezy upgrade | ||
| ogra_ibook | what means "near my sources.list" ? | 10:23 |
| ogra_ibook | ah | 10:23 |
| ogra_ibook | :) | 10:23 |
| Robot101 | I rolled my own dbus 0.60 packages | 10:23 |
| mjg59 | Robot101: I have a broken hal-device-manager now. I blame you. | 10:24 |
| Robot101 | mjg59: fix it to make async method calls from signal callbacks | 10:24 |
| ogra_ibook | mjg59, blame launchpad ;) | 10:25 |
| ogra_ibook | its missing some lpi stuff | 10:25 |
| mjg59 | ogra_ibook: No, dbus is broken... | 10:25 |
| ogra_ibook | inbreezy ? | 10:26 |
| Robot101 | no, J5 added a deadlock to the python bindings | 10:26 |
| ogra_ibook | works fine for g-p-m and other stuff in dapper | 10:26 |
| mjg59 | ogra_ibook: They're not using the python bindings | 10:27 |
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| ogra_ibook | ah,k i get only errors about lpi if i start it from commandline | 10:28 |
| Robot101 | mjg59: you have to admit, making blocking method calls on dbus before showing any UI is broken behaviour anyway | 10:28 |
| mjg59 | This driver is blatantly not working | 10:29 |
| mjg59 | Either that or this cable is gash | 10:29 |
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| hub | mhz_thinking: Mark said that LP would be released under GPL when it is releasable | 10:44 |
| hub | mhz_thinking: that is what he told people to UBZ | 10:44 |
| hub | mjg59: where is a bluetooth controller? Can't find at neither on USB nor on PCI | 10:44 |
| hub | mjg59: nor the modem | 10:44 |
| mjg59 | hub: Generally USB | 10:45 |
| mjg59 | The modem will be hanging off the southbridge | 10:45 |
| hub | how will I find it? | 10:45 |
| mjg59 | Which? The modem or the bluetooth? | 10:48 |
| hub | modme | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | You don't, as such | 10:49 |
| hub | ah | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | It's an MC97 codec | 10:49 |
| hub | on the ISA? | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | No | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | On the AC97 bus | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | Easiest way to find out what is to grab ScanModem (google for it) | 10:49 |
| hub | ok | 10:50 |
| hub | btw, I don't even have a RJ-11 cable | 10:50 |
| hub | cheap | 10:50 |
| mjg59 | Ha | 10:50 |
| mjg59 | That's pretty poor | 10:50 |
| hub | really | 10:50 |
| hub | mjg59: would the modem work with free driver? | 10:51 |
| mjg59 | hub: There are no free drivers | 10:52 |
| mjg59 | Closest you have is an open kernel part and closed userspace part | 10:52 |
| hub | grrr | 10:52 |
| mjg59 | Run scanmodem, and see what chipset it claims you have | 10:52 |
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| hub | nevermind | 10:52 |
| hub | mjg59: about to do | 10:53 |
| hub | mjg59: it claims that it has a pcmcia modem | 11:01 |
| hub | LtModem agere/lucent | 11:01 |
| mjg59 | pcmcia? | 11:07 |
| mjg59 | Seriously? | 11:07 |
| mjg59 | Not PCI? | 11:07 |
| Amaranth | doesn't the linuxant driver has lots of GPL violations? | 11:08 |
| mjg59 | Amaranth: Yes | 11:10 |
| Amaranth | have the authors of the stolen bits of code been notified? | 11:10 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 11:13 |
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