[01:03] <Burglaptop> are there any japanese speakers in the house?
[07:33] <corey_> oh, fun, more half finished "build your own package" docs
[07:33] <corey_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoCreateNewPackages
[07:33] <corey_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage
[01:06] <BrainDeadKK> can i ask if this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows was changed to require a live cd because of the doc team? or just becase someone decided to.? because i feel it should be changed back to using the install cd
[01:08] <mhz> BrainDeadKK: I really can't answer that but I do know that IMHO, recovery should be done via LiveCD
[01:08] <BrainDeadKK> i think it should use install because everyone (theoretically ) has one
[01:09] <BrainDeadKK> and lots of people cant download a 600mb iso on dialup to recover a system
[01:09] <mhz> .oO(which reminds me, I would really like to have Ubuntu LiveCD work with an option of just terminal-mode, like Gentoo does)
[01:11] <mhz> BrainDeadKK: but current Breezy install CD has almost no recovery options, or there are tools included you say?
[01:11] <BrainDeadKK> mhz: you have to boot 'rescue' mode, then mount your hdd, then rung grub-install
[01:12] <mhz> BrainDeadKK: i agree, though, on the fact that connection is important to many people.
[01:12] <mhz> BrainDeadKK: yup, but besides that... any other 'rescue' alternatives or tools?
[01:12] <BrainDeadKK> mhz: not as far as i know (but i havent checked)
[01:13] <mhz> or you mean 'rescue' as in 'rescue the grub-guindowz relationship' ?
[01:13] <BrainDeadKK> yes, rescue the grub boot loader
[01:13] <BrainDeadKK> afaik that's all the mode is there fore
[01:14] <BrainDeadKK> heh
[01:15] <mhz> BrainDeadKK: hmmm, if you are sure that 'rescue for bootloader'  work fine from install cd, then maybe you should add it as an alternative in that page.
[01:16] <mhz> IMHO, both methods should be explained
[01:16] <BrainDeadKK> it's how i have always done it, so adding it as an alternaitive is probably a good idea
[01:16] <mhz> yup
[01:16] <mhz> indeed
[01:17] <mhz> BrainDeadKK: but make sure the current install cd does it smoothly ;)
[01:17] <BrainDeadKK> I'm going on holiday on 27th, so i don't know if i can do it/any before i go I'm afraid :( but I'll keep it on mind
[01:17] <mhz> good. another task on the todo list :)
[01:17] <mhz> my todo is endless :D
[01:18] <BrainDeadKK> lol. i feel your pain ;)
[01:18] <mhz> .oO( geee, there are so much I'd like to do!)
[01:19] <BrainDeadKK> :)
[01:19] <mhz> BrainDeadKK: and.. when you'd be back?
[01:19] <BrainDeadKK> if i start writing the second way should i email it to the list, or just start adding it to the wiki page?
[01:20] <mhz> just add it, people who are interested on changes, will get auto-notifed by email, instantly
[01:20] <BrainDeadKK> ok
[01:21] <BrainDeadKK> i should be packing tomorrow (I'm away untill febuary), but i will try and find time for the rescue bit
[01:21] <mhz> and, if you add it as a 'comment', please do insert @SIG@ at the end of your comment so we get a timestamp with your username (wiki page, hoepfully) + timestamp
[01:21] <mhz> wow!!! 1 month!!!
[01:22] <BrainDeadKK> yeh, interstate for untill mid january, then linuxconf au. so i wont be around a lot ;)
[01:23] <BrainDeadKK> :( pity you cant make it
[01:23] <mhz> afik, Yagisan, from #edubuntu will be there too
[01:23] <mhz> Yagisan is expert on security issues
[01:23] <BrainDeadKK> i heard ajmitch (from #ubuntu) will be there, but i cant contact him to find out
[01:24] <mhz> did you try #ubuntu-devel ?
[01:24] <BrainDeadKK> no, i havent asked around. it just came up
[01:25] <mhz> well, I suggest there should be a huge poster with photos of 'ubunteros' who couldn't make it
[01:27] <mhz> cool!, thx
[01:28] <BrainDeadKK> np
[07:18] <ealden> hey mdke