[12:02] :-( [12:03] libdvdcss has a DMCA problem [12:03] it's illegal in the US & with the new EUCD in Europe it will be illegal too :-( [12:03] damn [12:04] copyright protection circumvention blah [12:04] of course it's just a way to make things more expensive here in Europe [12:05] that's a shame to not be able to read dvd out-of-the-box for a user-friendly distrib like ubuntu... but if it's illegal we cannot do any thing... :'( [12:06] maybe if it wouldn't be possible to change between DVD region codes and someone pays the license fees... [12:07] like Fluendo paid license fees for MP3 & MPEG2 [12:08] yes but for mp3 we have ogg, but for DVD we have no choice to use libdvdcss [12:09] well, there is ogg theora, but that's a real cpu-hog [12:09] copy protection leads to one thing : downloading the divX is easier than read the legal dvd... GREAT ! [12:10] why I download ? because I can't bye musique on the web (IE+WMP requiered) [12:10] plus the DivX is available months before the cinema release here in Belgium... === Kilohertz [n=khz@200-247-29-170-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] well, you can buy some music as MP3 or Ogg Vorbis [12:11] or even FLAC in some cases [12:11] JanC: all website i've seen reject me because I don't uses IE === at1as [n=at1as@24-247-15-243.static.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] and even if I had windows i wouldn't use IE [12:11] I rip all my DVDs for convenience (no need to fiddle with discs all the time), safety (no scratches on my HDD), and to avoid those butt-reamingly annoying "copyright notices" you can't skip over. [12:12] Zdra: http://www.belgianmusiconline.be/ works fine, but they have only a small number of Belgian artists... [12:13] OTOH, they have Ogg Vorbis :) [12:15] and Belgian artists means mainly Flemish artists [12:16] because they have lots of work to convince record companies to not use WMA/iTunes DRM-stuff :-( [12:16] There is a very small number of music... === Zdra is french speaking [12:17] yeah, I guessed that (ULB is French) but there is an English language site too AFAIK? [12:18] and Hooverphonic etc. are well-known outside Flanders I think :) === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-48-160.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] JanC: i'll take a look later... good night everybody ! === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217cbd164.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-079-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | How To Track Merge Status -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | Grab your merge here: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new | sign up for ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com now! === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by \sh at Wed Dec 14 00:06:37 2005 === #ubuntu-motu [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). 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Thanks! === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] yep, no better time to do merges :) === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === corey_ [n=corey@S0106001217cbd164.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.28] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-136-77.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@chan530-a148.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@chan530-a148.otenet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@cpc2-cosh5-5-0-cust84.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] mary chrismas every one === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] merry Xmas JohnnyMast [12:23] :) === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.28] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.28] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:00] any MOTU would review a sync please? malone 5372 === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-165-36.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-9-82-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-6333.lns3-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.28] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@210.1.83.169] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] evening all, merry xmas :D [02:12] evening === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@203.89.178.198] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] heya ajmitch , azeem ! merry xmas! [02:14] G'day all, boxing day here now === torkel [i=torkel@69-188.umenet.t3.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] w00t Yagisan [02:17] zakame: so, what did you spend christmas doing ? === jmg [n=Jernau@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-65-26-222-190.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaloz [i=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@69.56.173.186] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NigelS [i=nigel@83.166.160.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] Yagisan: well we had the usual eve dinner, then after some 4 hours of sleep, lunchtime with my grandfather who was recovering === chillywi1ly [n=danielb@CPE-65-26-222-190.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NigelS [i=nigel@83.166.160.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaloz_ [n=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] zakame: I just had a not so quiet lunch with the wife and kids, watched the kids lose interest in their toys after a record 20 seconds, then spent the afternoon watching Iron Chef [02:22] Yagisan: w00 Iron Chef, haven't seen that for quite a while [02:23] zakame: Wife is now on an O/S phone call to mum & dad, so I thought I'd log in and see how many other were here [02:23] (no cable TV yet :( [02:23] zakame: I don't have cable either :( Actually, I have almost non-existent tv reception [02:24] zakame: Iron Chef Japan, or Iron Chef America ? [02:24] Yagisan: I've seen some of Japan, not yet America === otep [n=demo@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] zakame: You'll want to rip your eyes out after watching ICA - like most of their adaptions it wasn't well done [02:25] zakame: ICJ all the way :) [02:25] waah === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-232-175.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame puts that bit on the planner-el === Yagisan looks lovingly at his currently 18GB and growing collection [02:26] w00t indeed :) === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] zakame: I wish I had decent tv reception, I could record an add free version of iron chef every saturday night of sbs [02:29] zakame: my tv tuner is useless at this apartment :( [02:29] Yagisan: I pray the Three Kings hear you :) [02:30] zakame: they have - they decided that today, I get no 7, 9, 10, ABC or SBS :( [02:30] waah!!! [02:30] zakame: that is every free-to-air channel unavailable instead of just one or two today [02:31] Yagisan: your channels signoff there just this xmas, or _every_ xmas? :( [02:33] zakame: it's just me this christmas - I'm sure everyone else is enjoying another repeat of "A chistmas carol" or one of the other endless christmas repeats that they usually put on [02:34] Yagisan: awww *patpat*... yeah, sometimes---no, most of the time---those xmas specials just `overdo' it :( [02:35] zakame: just TWO pats, come on man, I'm a furry animal, a yagisan, more pats man [02:36] don't forget behind the ears [02:36] and where is my carrot to snack on ;) [02:38] Yagisan: er I don't know what a yagisan is... yet ;) [02:38] zakame: a yagi is a goat, yagi san = mr goat === zakame pats Yagisan all over, especially behind the ears :) [02:39] ooh! :D === zakame should brush up on his Japanese === Yagisan feels better, and promptly eats zakame's hat, before running off [02:40] LOL! [02:42] the channel feels strangely empty today === Yagisan trots up and down the channel looking for more hats to eat === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] its christmas Yagisan :) [02:58] hey spacey_ki :) [02:58] and slomo :) [02:58] hi zakame === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-136-77.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan decides to eat spacey_ki's hat [02:58] merry christmas [02:58] :) [02:59] think i'll eat goat tonight [02:59] hi zakame, spacey_ki :) [02:59] hi:) === Yagisan baahs "I've got christmas decorations stuck in my teeth" [03:00] slomo, spacey_ki: Merry Chistmas! - Did you remember to get me something O:-) [03:01] :p [03:02] hear, hear!!! same here! [03:02] Yagisan: well... my christmas presents were liferea 1.0 and banshee 0.10.2 ;) nothing for you? tell me your wishes :) [03:04] yeah, liferea!!! [03:04] slomo: I got my kids appreciation for 20 whole, that's right count em, 20 whole seconds [03:04] woo hoo [03:04] next christmas - santa can visit me instead === Yagisan sits on santa's lap: "So Yagisan, what do you want for christmas", Yagisan whispers into Santa's ear, and Santa turns *bright* red [03:06] Yagisan: have you been talking with Santa about the first thing that pops up? === Yagisan is permanently added to the naughty list for that [03:07] buwahaha [03:07] I told my son that he missed the deadline to get on Santa's list for this year === Yagisan hopes he didn't ask for what I asked for [03:09] bmonty: It's nice when they still believe in santa [03:09] bmonty: eventually they realise it's you that buys the gifts [03:09] he is barely two months old so he has no idea what is going on [03:10] he just likes the lights on the tree as another thing to stare at :) [03:10] bmonty: mine are 22 months and 5 weeks [03:10] damn...you gotta let her recover! [03:11] :) === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] bmonty: yeah, not much choice now, she had a difficult delivery with the last one :( [03:14] but santa said 1) he's not a doctor, he can fix her, and 2) no female viagra [03:14] s/can/can't [03:14] :) [03:15] I was devastated [03:16] here I am, stuck with an absolutely gorgeous woman, and I have to behave myself. It's just unnatural I tell you. [03:16] I'm a goat, hence horny by nature :-D [03:16] rocking! :D === Yagisan baahs in frustration [03:18] In other news my dvd ripping cluster stopped working because suddenly after a *kernel* upgrade, I now need to enter a password for [03:18] key based ssh access. WTF ? [03:19] huh? o_O [03:20] zakame: exactly. No change in config, no change in ssh key, but now it was a password. stopped my cluster dead. [03:20] Yagisan: maybe it couldn't mount your home partition anymore and can't find the key? ;) [03:20] s/was/wants [03:21] slomo: /home is on / for the nodes [03:21] no idea then :) [03:21] this is what I get: [03:21] (amd64)jamie@doomguy:~/media/movies/sorted$ ssh 192.168.1.32 [03:21] Enter passphrase for key '/home/jamie/.ssh/id_rsa': [03:22] hm [03:22] jamie@192.168.1.32's password: === ealden_ [n=ealden@ipdial-189-49.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] on every system. there is no passphrase for that, and if I enter the client local password it works. [03:23] and if you leave it empty? [03:23] :) [03:23] spacey_ki: I get "jamie@192.168.1.32's password:" repeated at me [03:24] ok ;p [03:24] shouldn't be related to kernel i think [03:24] instant breakage of dvdrip because of it [03:24] sounds more like an sshd setting [03:24] or something [03:24] :) [03:25] spacey_ki: that is on package default settings [03:25] but no clue. i'm off for family visit :) [03:25] bb :) [03:25] spacey_ki: It should not be the kernel, but that was the last change before it broke :( === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] slomo: you came back to fix my problem ???? [03:29] O:-) [03:29] Yagisan: nope :( i have to fix my own problem currently... i hate nfs... [03:29] slomo: me too. but I need it for my ltsp stuff to work === zakame looks for new merges to do === Yagisan considers patching ltsp to use samba instead [03:30] slomo: are your nfs mounts just not mounting. I had that a while ago [03:31] Yagisan: no... they're not responding anymore :P [03:31] brb - need to put a little girl to bed [03:31] gaah, nfs :( === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.28] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] my nfs mounts take forever to mount but after that they work fine [03:43] re [03:44] the reason it's called nfs is because it Never Functions Successfully [03:44] haha [03:45] bmonty: install portmap [03:46] yep, portmap [03:46] hmm...I thought it was... [03:47] of course we could use Sometimes May Backfire instead [03:49] that was it...thanks slomo, zakame === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@p5089D7D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] wb ogra_ibook , merry xmas :D [03:52] zakame, same to you :) [03:54] Woo hoo fixed my ssh problem [03:55] my dvd cluster works again :-D [03:56] (for reference I blew away the authorised keys on every client, and generated new ones, which where the scp'ed to the clients) [03:56] s/the/then === bmonty wants ldap/kerberos/openafs running on his network === Yagisan thinks you may was well chuck in true ddns and ipsec opportunistic encryption while you are at it [03:58] nah, I just want single sign on [03:59] I wanted a single sign on too, that's part of the reason my network is moving to thin clients [03:59] it's so much easier to administer *1* box === Yagisan wishes he had a bigger network to play with [04:00] the problem is that the ldap/kerberos stuff is a bitch to configure [04:00] and there isn't good docs [04:01] I know :( and it's even worse if you need to integrate MS Active Directory into it [04:02] I wanted it to work for my linux boxes first, and then I was going to try and get my wife's XP box in on the mix [04:04] bmonty: the last time I tried (a few years ago to get a distinction for a networking course, it was a true pain in the arse, as the crap MS ADDC needed to be the master, with MSDNS) [04:05] I've never tried to mix AD and anything else, but I know if your DNS isn't set up correctly AD will refuse to work [04:05] as it a) breaks the ldap spec, b) breaks the dns spec, c) breaks the kerberos spec [04:05] and the DNS breakage can be very subtle === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-49.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] when you hold a monopoly...who needs specs? [04:07] bmonty: Personally, I'd like to see them help liable and punished effectively for their abuses, but as long as businesses have limited liablity [04:08] their will be no ethical behaviour from them [04:08] s/their/there [04:09] except nobody cares, because there are only a very few people that care about integrating MS stuff with anything else [04:10] bmonty: people like me, that do phased migrations away from their systems, care. We just don't get listened to. [04:11] exactly, you are costing them money so it is not in MS's best interest to solve your issues [04:13] bmonty: yep, we are voting with out feet. They cost us money, now we are leaving - it's not in our best interests to continue with products that are not suitable for the intended job === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-198.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan marvels at 8 bug reports for his package all caused because the user doesn't have alsa set up correctly [04:25] wow, timidity really uses a lot of cpu time === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-75-11.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywi1ly is now known as chillywilly === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@p5089D7D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable084.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elektranox [n=elektran@p5481E626.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] can sb. tell me why "/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/menu-policy.html/ch2.html#s2.1" doesn't exist on my system? [05:27] elektranox: do you have debian-policy installed? === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@p5089D7D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-9-82-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elektranox [n=elektran@p5481E626.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jpatrick [n=patrick@204.Red-81-37-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-234-107.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-75-181.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD950A5CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin_ [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez|Away [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@chan530-a148.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@chan530-a148.otenet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === corey_ [n=corey@S0106001217cbd164.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CGA [n=CGA@213-156-52-117.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] hi all [09:25] i'm trying to compile E17 and its libs from CVS on my system (ubuntu breezy) but i get an error when compiling evas (a EFL library) because it needs Xorg compiled with XShm.h , what can i do about it? why didn't you guys compile X with that header? -- i have already been in #ubuntu but didn't help much === tambaqui [n=patricia@200.231.240.229] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] hi there [09:48] merry xmas everyone === MasterC [n=chans@dslb-084-060-229-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] hi :) [10:08] when will the libdbus dependencies problems be fixed? [10:09] hi MasterC [10:09] many packages (like banshee) are linked against libdbus1-1, but its not available [10:09] in dapper [10:10] no idea [10:11] MasterC: should be mostly solved now [10:11] oh, I see [10:11] banshee is fixed [10:11] I tried it one hour ago, sry :) [10:12] well done, thank you [10:12] bye === MasterC [n=chans@dslb-084-060-229-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-75-11.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === corey_ [n=corey@S0106001217cbd164.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-165-18.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anna [n=anna@p54A3C59A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-49-227.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lllmanulll [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nomed [n=debaser@host233-198.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:46] hi all [11:46] is there a tutorial to generate packages like ubuntu-artwork ? [11:47] i see that ubuntu has in roadmap to support somehow metaditros ... i would try to make my own artwork package trying to follow ubuntu "standards" .. [11:48] mainly for training ... === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable084.72-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] nomed: just d/l the ubuntu-artwork package and model yours off of that