[12:02] <Zdra> :-(
[12:03] <JanC> libdvdcss has a DMCA problem
[12:03] <JanC> it's illegal in the US & with the new EUCD in Europe it will be illegal too  :-(
[12:03] <Zdra> damn
[12:04] <JanC> copyright protection circumvention blah
[12:04] <JanC> of course it's just a way to make things more expensive here in Europe
[12:05] <Zdra> that's a shame to not be able to read dvd out-of-the-box for a user-friendly distrib like ubuntu... but if it's illegal we cannot do any thing... :'(
[12:06] <JanC> maybe if it wouldn't be possible to change between DVD region codes and someone pays the license fees...
[12:07] <JanC> like Fluendo paid license fees for MP3 & MPEG2
[12:08] <Zdra> yes but for mp3 we have ogg, but for DVD we have no choice to use libdvdcss
[12:09] <JanC> well, there is ogg theora, but that's a real cpu-hog
[12:09] <Zdra> copy protection leads to one thing : downloading the divX is easier than read the legal dvd... GREAT !
[12:10] <Zdra> why I download ? because I can't bye musique on the web (IE+WMP requiered)
[12:10] <JanC> plus the DivX is available months before the cinema release here in Belgium...
[12:10] <JanC> well, you can buy some music as MP3 or Ogg Vorbis
[12:11] <JanC> or even FLAC in some cases
[12:11] <Zdra> JanC: all website i've seen reject me because I don't uses IE
[12:11] <Zdra> and even if I had windows i wouldn't use IE
[12:11] <womble> I rip all my DVDs for convenience (no need to fiddle with discs all the time), safety (no scratches on my HDD), and to avoid those butt-reamingly annoying "copyright notices" you can't skip over.
[12:12] <JanC> Zdra: http://www.belgianmusiconline.be/ works fine, but they have only a small number of Belgian artists...
[12:13] <JanC> OTOH, they have Ogg Vorbis   :)
[12:15] <JanC> and Belgian artists means mainly Flemish artists
[12:16] <JanC> because they have lots of work to convince record companies to not use WMA/iTunes DRM-stuff :-(
[12:16] <Zdra> There is a very small number of music...
[12:17] <JanC> yeah, I guessed that (ULB is French) but there is an English language site too AFAIK?
[12:18] <JanC> and Hooverphonic etc. are well-known outside Flanders I think  :)
[12:20] <Zdra> JanC: i'll take a look later... good night everybody !
[04:49] <crimsun> yep, no better time to do merges :)
[12:01] <JohnnyMast> mary chrismas every one
[12:22] <sivang> merry Xmas JohnnyMast
[12:23] <JohnnyMast> :)
[01:00] <minghua> any MOTU would review a sync please?  malone 5372
[02:11] <zakame> evening all, merry xmas :D
[02:12] <greenpenguin13> evening
[02:13] <zakame> heya ajmitch , azeem ! merry xmas!
[02:14] <Yagisan> G'day all, boxing day here now
[02:16] <zakame> w00t Yagisan
[02:17] <Yagisan> zakame: so, what did you spend christmas doing ?
[02:20] <zakame> Yagisan: well we had the usual eve dinner, then after some 4 hours of sleep, lunchtime with my grandfather who was recovering
[02:22] <Yagisan> zakame: I just had a not so quiet lunch with the wife and kids, watched the kids lose interest in their toys after a record 20 seconds, then spent the afternoon watching Iron Chef
[02:22] <zakame> Yagisan: w00 Iron Chef, haven't seen that for quite a while
[02:23] <Yagisan> zakame: Wife is now on an O/S phone call to mum & dad, so I thought I'd log in and see how many other were here
[02:23] <zakame> (no cable TV yet :(
[02:23] <Yagisan> zakame: I don't have cable either :( Actually, I have almost non-existent tv reception
[02:24] <Yagisan> zakame: Iron Chef Japan, or Iron Chef America ?
[02:24] <zakame> Yagisan: I've seen some of Japan, not yet America
[02:25] <Yagisan> zakame: You'll want to rip your eyes out after watching ICA - like most of their adaptions it wasn't well done
[02:25] <Yagisan> zakame: ICJ all the way :)
[02:25] <zakame> waah
[02:26] <zakame> w00t indeed :)
[02:28] <Yagisan> zakame: I wish I had decent tv reception, I could record an add free version of iron chef every saturday night of sbs
[02:29] <Yagisan> zakame: my tv tuner is useless at this apartment :(
[02:29] <zakame> Yagisan: I pray the Three Kings hear you :)
[02:30] <Yagisan> zakame: they have - they decided that today, I get no 7, 9, 10, ABC or SBS :(
[02:30] <zakame> waah!!!
[02:30] <Yagisan> zakame: that is every free-to-air channel unavailable instead of just one or two today
[02:31] <zakame> Yagisan: your channels signoff there just this xmas, or _every_ xmas? :(
[02:33] <Yagisan> zakame: it's just me this christmas - I'm sure everyone else is enjoying another repeat of "A chistmas carol" or one of the other endless christmas repeats that they usually put on
[02:34] <zakame> Yagisan: awww *patpat*... yeah, sometimes---no, most of the time---those xmas specials just `overdo' it :(
[02:35] <Yagisan> zakame: just TWO pats, come on man, I'm a furry animal, a yagisan, more pats man
[02:36] <Yagisan> don't forget behind the ears
[02:36] <Yagisan> and where is my carrot to snack on ;)
[02:38] <zakame> Yagisan: er I don't know what a yagisan is... yet ;)
[02:38] <Yagisan> zakame: a yagi is a goat, yagi san = mr goat
[02:39] <zakame> ooh! :D
[02:40] <zakame> LOL!
[02:42] <Yagisan> the channel feels strangely empty today
[02:58] <spacey_ki> its christmas Yagisan :)
[02:58] <zakame> hey spacey_ki :)
[02:58] <zakame> and slomo :)
[02:58] <spacey_ki> hi zakame
[02:58] <spacey_ki> merry christmas
[02:58] <spacey_ki> :)
[02:59] <spacey_ki> think i'll eat goat tonight
[02:59] <slomo> hi zakame, spacey_ki :)
[02:59] <spacey_ki> hi:)
[03:00] <Yagisan> slomo, spacey_ki: Merry Chistmas! -  Did you remember to get me something O:-)
[03:01] <spacey_ki> :p
[03:02] <zakame> hear, hear!!! same here!
[03:02] <slomo> Yagisan: well... my christmas presents were liferea 1.0 and banshee 0.10.2 ;) nothing for you? tell me your wishes :)
[03:04] <zakame> yeah, liferea!!!
[03:04] <Yagisan> slomo: I got my kids appreciation for 20 whole, that's right count em, 20 whole seconds
[03:04] <Yagisan> woo hoo
[03:04] <Yagisan> next christmas - santa can visit me instead
[03:06] <bmonty> Yagisan: have you been talking with Santa about the first thing that pops up?
[03:07] <zakame> buwahaha
[03:07] <bmonty> I told my son that he missed the deadline to get on Santa's list for this year
[03:09] <Yagisan> bmonty: It's nice when they still believe in santa
[03:09] <Yagisan> bmonty: eventually they realise it's you that buys the gifts
[03:09] <bmonty> he is barely two months old so he has no idea what is going on
[03:10] <bmonty> he just likes the lights on the tree as another thing to stare at :)
[03:10] <Yagisan> bmonty: mine are 22 months and 5 weeks
[03:10] <bmonty> damn...you gotta let her recover!
[03:11] <bmonty> :)
[03:13] <Yagisan> bmonty: yeah, not much choice now, she had a difficult delivery with the last one :(
[03:14] <Yagisan> but santa said 1) he's not a doctor, he can fix her, and 2) no female viagra
[03:14] <Yagisan> s/can/can't
[03:14] <bmonty> :)
[03:15] <Yagisan> I was devastated
[03:16] <Yagisan> here I am, stuck with an absolutely gorgeous woman, and I have to behave myself. It's just unnatural I tell you.
[03:16] <Yagisan> I'm a goat, hence horny by nature :-D
[03:16] <zakame> rocking! :D
[03:18] <Yagisan> In other news my dvd ripping cluster stopped working because suddenly after a *kernel* upgrade, I now need to enter a password for
[03:18] <Yagisan> key based ssh access. WTF ?
[03:19] <zakame> huh? o_O
[03:20] <Yagisan> zakame: exactly. No change in config, no change in ssh key, but now it was a password. stopped my cluster dead.
[03:20] <slomo> Yagisan: maybe it couldn't mount your home partition anymore and can't find the key? ;)
[03:20] <Yagisan> s/was/wants
[03:21] <Yagisan> slomo: /home is on / for the nodes
[03:21] <slomo> no idea then :)
[03:21] <Yagisan> this is what I get:
[03:21] <Yagisan> (amd64)jamie@doomguy:~/media/movies/sorted$ ssh 192.168.1.32
[03:21] <Yagisan> Enter passphrase for key '/home/jamie/.ssh/id_rsa':
[03:22] <slomo> hm
[03:22] <Yagisan> jamie@192.168.1.32's password:
[03:23] <Yagisan> on every system. there is no passphrase for that, and if I enter the client local password it works.
[03:23] <spacey_ki> and if you leave it empty?
[03:23] <spacey_ki> :)
[03:23] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: I get "jamie@192.168.1.32's password:" repeated at me
[03:24] <spacey_ki> ok ;p
[03:24] <spacey_ki> shouldn't be related to kernel i think
[03:24] <Yagisan> instant breakage of dvdrip because of it
[03:24] <spacey_ki> sounds more like an sshd setting
[03:24] <spacey_ki> or something
[03:24] <spacey_ki> :)
[03:25] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: that is on package default settings
[03:25] <spacey_ki> but no clue. i'm off for family visit :)
[03:25] <spacey_ki> bb :)
[03:25] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: It should not be the kernel, but that was the last change before it broke :(
[03:28] <Yagisan> slomo: you came back to fix my problem ????
[03:29] <Yagisan> O:-)
[03:29] <slomo> Yagisan: nope :( i have to fix my own problem currently... i hate nfs...
[03:29] <Yagisan> slomo: me too. but I need it for my ltsp stuff to work
[03:30] <Yagisan> slomo: are your nfs mounts just not mounting. I had that a while ago
[03:31] <slomo> Yagisan: no... they're not responding anymore :P
[03:31] <Yagisan> brb - need to put a little girl to bed
[03:31] <zakame> gaah, nfs :(
[03:39] <bmonty> my nfs mounts take forever to mount but after that they work fine
[03:43] <Yagisan> re
[03:44] <Yagisan> the reason it's called nfs is because it Never Functions Successfully
[03:44] <zakame> haha
[03:45] <slomo> bmonty: install portmap
[03:46] <zakame> yep, portmap
[03:46] <bmonty> hmm...I thought it was...
[03:47] <Yagisan> of course we could use Sometimes May Backfire instead
[03:49] <bmonty> that was it...thanks slomo, zakame
[03:52] <zakame> wb ogra_ibook , merry xmas :D
[03:52] <ogra_ibook> zakame, same to you :)
[03:54] <Yagisan> Woo hoo fixed my ssh problem
[03:55] <Yagisan> my dvd cluster works again :-D
[03:56] <Yagisan> (for reference I blew away the authorised keys on every client, and generated new ones, which where the scp'ed to the clients)
[03:56] <Yagisan> s/the/then
[03:58] <bmonty> nah, I just want single sign on
[03:59] <Yagisan> I wanted a single sign on too, that's part of the reason my network is moving to thin clients
[03:59] <Yagisan> it's so much easier to administer *1* box
[04:00] <bmonty> the problem is that the ldap/kerberos stuff is a bitch to configure
[04:00] <bmonty> and there isn't good docs
[04:01] <Yagisan> I know :( and it's even worse if you need to integrate MS Active Directory into it
[04:02] <bmonty> I wanted it to work for my linux boxes first, and then I was going to try and get my wife's XP box in on the mix
[04:04] <Yagisan> bmonty: the last time I tried (a few years ago to get a distinction for a networking course, it was a true pain in the arse, as the crap MS ADDC needed to be the master, with MSDNS)
[04:05] <bmonty> I've never tried to mix AD and anything else, but I know if your DNS isn't set up correctly AD will refuse to work
[04:05] <Yagisan> as it a) breaks the ldap spec, b) breaks the dns spec, c) breaks the kerberos spec
[04:05] <bmonty> and the DNS breakage can be very subtle
[04:06] <bmonty> when you hold a monopoly...who needs specs?
[04:07] <Yagisan> bmonty: Personally, I'd like to see them help liable and punished effectively for their abuses, but as long as businesses have limited liablity
[04:08] <Yagisan> their will be no ethical behaviour from them
[04:08] <Yagisan> s/their/there
[04:09] <bmonty> except nobody cares, because there are only a very few people that care about integrating MS stuff with anything else
[04:10] <Yagisan> bmonty: people like me, that do phased migrations away from their systems, care. We just don't get listened to.
[04:11] <bmonty> exactly, you are costing them money so it is not in MS's best interest to solve your issues
[04:13] <Yagisan> bmonty: yep, we are voting with out feet. They cost us money, now we are leaving - it's not in our best interests to continue with products that are not suitable for the intended job
[04:25] <Yagisan> wow, timidity really uses a lot of cpu time
[05:22] <elektranox> can sb. tell me why "/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/menu-policy.html/ch2.html#s2.1" doesn't exist on my system?
[05:27] <lfittl> elektranox: do you have debian-policy installed?
[09:24] <CGA> hi all
[09:25] <CGA> i'm trying to compile E17 and its libs from CVS on my system (ubuntu breezy) but i get an error when compiling evas (a EFL library) because it needs Xorg compiled with XShm.h , what can i do about it?  why didn't you guys compile X with that header? -- i have already been in #ubuntu but didn't help much
[09:48] <raphink> hi there
[09:48] <raphink> merry xmas everyone
[10:07] <MasterC> hi :)
[10:08] <MasterC> when will the libdbus dependencies problems be fixed?
[10:09] <raphink> hi MasterC
[10:09] <MasterC> many packages (like banshee) are linked against libdbus1-1, but its not available
[10:09] <MasterC> in dapper
[10:10] <raphink> no idea
[10:11] <Burglaptop> MasterC: should be mostly solved now
[10:11] <MasterC> oh, I see
[10:11] <MasterC> banshee is fixed
[10:11] <MasterC> I tried it one hour ago, sry :)
[10:12] <MasterC> well done, thank you
[10:12] <MasterC> bye
[11:46] <nomed> hi all
[11:46] <nomed> is there a tutorial to generate packages like ubuntu-artwork ?
[11:47] <nomed> i see that ubuntu has in roadmap to support somehow metaditros ... i would try to make my own artwork package trying to follow ubuntu "standards" ..
[11:48] <nomed> mainly for training ...
[12:01] <Sepheebear> nomed: just d/l the ubuntu-artwork package and model yours off of that