[12:02] <Evil_Whisper> hehe I think it would be cool to be able to implement the KDE sys tray in gnome's panel :P
[12:03] <gerst`na> use kde than :D
[12:03] <gerst`na> like Torvalds suggested ;)
[12:03] <thecat12> my user password works, but my admin password isn't working
[12:05] <Evil_Whisper> If I could get it to look like gnome I would :P
[12:05] <gerst`na> kde is nicer...
[12:05] <Evil_Whisper> I prefer the look of Gnome but the functionality of kde :S
[12:06] <gerst`na> :DD
[12:06] <_ludo> is it possible to install realplayer with kubuntu 64 ? because i dont find the pack
[12:06] <Evil_Whisper> ludo isn't it possible just to use 32bit realplayer?
[12:06] <Evil_Whisper> try helix player ludo
[12:06] <Evil_Whisper> its a fork of realplayer
[12:06] <_ludo> ok merci ! i ll try
[12:08] <thecat12> how do I reset the admin password?
[12:08] <_ludo> i don't find the package with adept and i can't read mp3 files. What is the name of the package plz (srry i am a noob)
[12:09] <thecat12> (i am a noob as well)
[12:09] <Evil_Whisper> one second ludo
[12:09] <_ludo> ok
[12:09] <Evil_Whisper> so many terminals open have to find a free one :P
[12:10] <Evil_Whisper> sudo apt-get install helix-player
[12:10] <_ludo> i ll try thx
[12:11] <_nano_> my flashdrive shows it's 100% full when i plug it in, although its empty. am  i doing something wrong?
[12:11] <_ludo> i have an error : "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[12:12] <Evil_Whisper> ludo
[12:12] <gerst`na> _ludo, ...
[12:12] <Evil_Whisper> did you use sudo?
[12:12] <_ludo> yes
[12:12] <Hobbsee> _ludo: do you have synaptic/adept open?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> if so, close it
[12:12] <Hobbsee> then try again
[12:12] <_ludo> ok
[12:12] <gerst`na> just one apt can run
[12:13] <thecat12> does breezy have an update?
[12:13] <_ludo> it don't find the package.  :(
[12:13] <gerst`na> which one?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> which package?
[12:13] <Evil_Whisper> ludo have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[12:13] <_ludo>  helix-player
[12:14] <Evil_Whisper> its in either universe or multiverse
[12:14] <_ludo> i ll see
[12:14] <Hobbsee> !info helix-player
[12:14] <ubotu> helix-player: (The Helix Community's open source media player), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 4068 kB, Installed size: 10284 kB
[12:14] <Hobbsee> universe
[12:16] <_nano_> Hobbsee: my flashdrive shows it's 100% full (using df) although it's empty. is there anything more i need to do there?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> flash drive is fat32, i take it?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> _nano_: i'll tell you in offtopic lol...
[12:17] <Hobbsee> wont say that command in the main #kubuntu window...
[12:17] <_nano_> Hobbsee: i wouldn't even dare askin there :(
[12:18] <Hobbsee> _nano_: i'd probably cd to the directory for the usb (ie. media/sda1), then run rm -rf *
[12:18] <Hobbsee> make sure you cd into the correct dir first!
[12:19] <Hobbsee> they dotn bite
[12:19] <Hobbsee> usually
[12:19] <_nano_> Hobbsee: ok lemme try and see
[12:20] <Hobbsee> k
[12:25] <_nano_> Hobbsee: oh gosh...it's not sayin "mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[12:25] <_nano_> *now
[12:25] <Hobbsee> is it in /media/?
[12:26] <_nano_> it got mounted in /media/sda1 the first time (i'm using it with linux for the first time)
[12:26] <apokryphos> hm, very interesting to see the recent http://lwn.net/Articles/160704/ Grumy Editor's guide. Reviews of all the media players
[12:27] <_nano_> Hobbsee: oh yeah you're right I do see /media/sda1
[12:27] <Hobbsee> _nano_: i'm not sure that it usually goes into the fstab or mtab - but you can cd into /media/sda1 then rm -rf *
[12:28] <_nano_> Hobbsee: aah everything seems to be mounted readonly
[12:29] <_nano_> Hobbsee: sudo rm -rf * shows that all files are mounted read only
[12:29] <Hobbsee> er, why...
[12:30] <Hobbsee> this is just a standard USB disk?
[12:31] <_nano_> Hobbsee: well it's a sandisk mp3 player, but i use it as a flash drive as well
[12:31] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[12:33] <cooler> hello
[12:33] <cooler> how do I change the kdm theme for kde3.5 ?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> use the program kdmtheme - i think you may have to compile it
[12:34] <apokryphos> or just change one line in kdmrc :P
[12:35] <cooler> apokryphos: what line ?
[12:35] <apokryphos> it's in /etc/kde3/kdm
[12:35] <apokryphos> cooler: the one with Theme=/some/location
[12:35] <cooler> hehe
[12:35] <cooler> cool
[12:35] <cooler> thanks
[12:38] <gerst`na> is there for linux an online form filler? like roboform for windoz...
[12:44] <vvv> hi
[12:44] <vvv> Hi, i have a problem with DNS's, all the times i reboot the computer something modify resolv.conf, i remember tht there was an option, where can i find it?
[12:45] <slow-motion_> n8
[12:45] <leafw> anyone knows why placing a CD in the tray consumes amzing amount of time and RAM? a kded program is shown running, is t pre-caching the entire CD or what? It basically blocks my computer.
[12:46] <leafw> can it be disabled ?
[12:50] <_nano_> Hobbsee: I do see an entry in the mtab file
[12:51] <_nano_> Hobbsee: it says : /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[12:52] <_nano_> Hobbsee: that's what I was gonna ask next :P
[12:52] <Hobbsee> you could try changing it to a umask=000, and see if that let you write to it...
[12:52] <vvv> Hi, i have a problem with DNS's, all the times i reboot the computer something modify resolv.conf, i remember tht there was an option, where can i find it?
[12:52] <_nano_> Hobbsee: would i have to umount and mount again?
[12:52] <_nano_> Hobbsee: aah sorry :P
[12:52] <Hobbsee> _nano_: um, i'd expect so
[12:54] <gerst`na> what if you put it read only..? I mean the resolv.conf
[12:55] <jahshua> can someone please help me to open my irssi directory ?
[12:55] <jahshua> i cant figure it out :(
[12:55] <Hobbsee> your irssi directory?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> which one would that be?
[12:56] <vvv> Hi, i have a problem with DNS's, all the times i reboot the computer something modify resolv.conf, i remember tht there was an option, where can i find it?
[12:56] <jahshua> Hobbsee this is what i want to do
[12:56] <vvv> there was an option with nopeerdsn or something like that
[12:56] <jahshua> Usage: Copy the .theme file to ~/.irssi/ directory, change the theme with /SET theme
[12:56] <Hobbsee> vvv: i dont know, you may need to ask in #ubuntu
[12:56] <Hobbsee> jahshua: so where's the theme now?
[12:57] <vvv> i'm using kubuntu
[12:57] <jahshua> my desktop
[12:57] <jahshua> i can get into the directory in console
[12:57] <Hobbsee> jahshua: and your user is tao?
[12:57] <jahshua> but i dont know how to copy the theme there
[12:57] <Hobbsee> ok, cd Desktop
[12:57] <jahshua> yep
[12:57] <Hobbsee> cp filename.theme /home/tao/.irssi
[12:58] <Hobbsee> vvv: i'm not sure if it'd matter - just give it a try there, there are more people
[12:58] <treakath> hey all
[12:58] <jahshua> ok
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hi treakath
[12:59] <treakath> hey bow are you
[12:59] <Hobbsee> trying to create a chroot with pbuilder, not sure how well it's working
[12:59] <jahshua> Hobbsee thanks alot
[12:59] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[01:00] <treakath> k
[01:06] <jahshua> hello
[01:06] <jahshua> can anyone explain this statement to me 00:05 < Nei> set the background image in your terminal emulator
[01:08] <apokryphos> jahshua: maybe Nei can 8)
[01:08] <apokryphos> what's the context? What are you trying to do?
[01:08] <jahshua> im setting a theme for my irssi
[01:08] <jahshua> http://irssi.org/themefiles/stx.png
[01:08] <jahshua> like that
[01:08] <apokryphos> I won't ask why you're using irssi 8)
[01:08] <jahshua> lol
[01:09] <jahshua> what do you use?
[01:09] <apokryphos> Konversation/KVirc
[01:09] <jahshua> oh
[01:09] <jahshua> i dont like that one :p
[01:09] <apokryphos> which one?
[01:09] <jahshua> konversation
[01:09] <apokryphos> why?
[01:09] <jahshua> dunno, maybe it reminds me of mirc
[01:09] <apokryphos> anyhow, that theme: fake transparency. Just make the console transparent.
[01:10] <jahshua> how can i do that
[01:10] <jahshua> :p
[01:10] <apokryphos> it's nothing like mirc :)
[01:10] <jahshua> heh
[01:10] <apokryphos> Settings > Schema
[01:10] <jahshua> aaaaaaaahhhhhhh
[01:10] <jahshua> nice
[01:10] <jahshua> :))))
[01:11] <apokryphos> seems just like a desperate attempt to make a CLI app look cool, though :P
[01:11] <jahshua> well of course
[01:11] <jahshua> oh
[01:11] <jahshua> but im not desperate
[01:11] <jahshua> haha
[01:11] <jahshua> ;)
[01:11] <apokryphos> ...when the real solution is: you probably should be using a GUI IRC client 8)
[01:11] <jahshua> noooooooooo
[01:11] <jahshua> im trying to learn cli
[01:11] <jahshua> so
[01:12] <jahshua> i must stay away from gui
[01:12] <jahshua> right now
[01:12] <jahshua> maybe later
[01:12] <apokryphos> jahshua: irssi isn't going to help you learn cli, really
[01:12] <jahshua> of course
[01:12] <apokryphos> !cli
[01:12] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[01:12] <apokryphos> ....will
[01:12] <jahshua> but it keeps me in the console
[01:12] <jahshua> yep
[01:12] <jahshua> have all of them bookmarked
[01:12] <jahshua> and im reading
[01:12] <apokryphos> =)
[01:13] <apokryphos> you should eventually (hopefully) get to the stage when you can determine which is better for a given task, which will always be handy
[01:14] <psyk> how do i unrar files in kubuntu
[01:14] <jahshua> sure
[01:15] <apokryphos> install unrar-nonfree from multiverse, then just: unrar x somearchive.rar
[01:15] <djk_> psyk: with unrar-nonfree  -> cli  unrar x foo.rar
[01:21] <propagandhi> new2ubuntu: using ndiswrapper?
[01:26] <propagandhi> exit
[01:29] <Xmasmoo> how it is possible to change the default desktop manager later on after installing kubuntu?
[01:30] <apokryphos> Xmasmoo: you mean display manager? i.e. which desktop environment to log into?
[01:31] <Xmasmoo> apokryphos: yes
[01:31] <apokryphos> Xmasmoo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:31] <Xmasmoo> thanks
[01:39] <_randabis> I wanna chew my bubble gum, with you
[01:49] <Packing_Kaiser> Hi Hobbsee and Hentai^XP
[01:49] <Hobbsee> hi
[01:49] <Packing_Kaiser> :)
[02:03] <manolista> are xorg 7.0 or 6.9 packages for ubuntu
[02:03] <Packing_Kaiser> 6.9 are in dapper
[02:03] <raphink> packages.ubuntu.com and you'll get your answer
[02:04] <apokryphos> 7 only just came out; of course it wouldn't be packaged yet :)
[02:04] <Packing_Kaiser> is 7 stable out?
[02:04] <apokryphos> yup
[02:04] <Packing_Kaiser> woot
[02:04] <raphink> what are the changes in 7?
[02:04] <Packing_Kaiser> go Daniel ;)
[02:05] <apokryphos> stable composite, apparently
[02:05] <raphink> oh nice :)
[02:05] <raphink> so we might have stable 3d stuff when vista is out ;
[02:05] <raphink> ;)
[02:06] <Packing_Kaiser> :P
[02:13] <apokryphos> just realised how big an achievement the release is. It's the first major release in more than a decade!
[02:13] <Packing_Kaiser> lol. yep
[02:13] <Packing_Kaiser> X is finaly usefull again
[02:14] <apokryphos> shocking ;-)
[02:14] <Packing_Kaiser> ;)
[02:14] <apokryphos> funny seeing old CLI sentimentalists who'd just respond "GUI actually IS good: more terminals windows at once"
[02:15] <Packing_Kaiser> lol. i used to have lots of terminals, then i discoverd tabs ;)
[02:16] <apokryphos> yup. My brother still sticks to xterm; can't live with a terminal without tabs though
[02:16] <douglas> How can I get ipod support in amarok, it's currently broken in breezy it seems?
[02:16] <apokryphos> douglas: get a later version of amarok
[02:17] <apokryphos> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.7.php
[02:24] <MyWay> Hi, i'm having problems with my Atlantis router: i set the dns server in /etc/resolv.conf, after this i connect with pon dsl-provider, when i reboot the computer, the resolv.conf is changed and i have to set it again with the dns server, what can i do?
[02:26] <douglas> Thanks a mill
[02:27] <jahshua> hello is there a command to upgrade my amsn  ?
[02:29] <MyWay> apt-upgrade amsn
[02:29] <apokryphos> no
[02:29] <jahshua> command not found
[02:31] <_psyk> how do i add sources
[02:31] <djperegrine> how do I make it so it auto loads a module at boot? ( instead of doing modprobe ndiswrapper everytime at boot)
[02:32] <apokryphos> !tell _psyk about repositories
[02:36] <Yv12345vY> hello
[02:37] <Yv12345vY> hello, has anybody here experienced sound delays in gaim2.0?
[02:39] <rednaxel> how can I have 2 network configs (like WinXP), where it first tries DHCP and if it fails, set a static IP?
[02:42] <_psyk> what is multiverse
[02:42] <_psyk> and how do i use it
[02:42] <rednaxel> _psyk, multiverse is a repository
[02:43] <rednaxel> universe and multiverse - you set them at /etc/sources.list
[02:43] <_psyk> ok well im trying to get to unrar files
[02:43] <_psyk> and i need unrar non free
[02:43] <_psyk> from multiverse
[02:44] <rednaxel> check your /etc/apt/sources.list file - it must be there, commented out
[02:46] <apokryphos> _psyk: follow the guide on the link I gave you
[02:55] <MyWay> hi
[02:55] <MyWay> someone there?
[02:55] <MyWay> i have a router: i configured resolv.conf with my dns, i do pon dsl-provider and it works, when i reboot the computer my resolv.conf change and my dns aren't on it
[02:55] <MyWay> how can i do?
[02:56] <raphink> hmm
[02:56] <raphink> add a line to your /etc/network/interfaces
[02:56] <raphink> to run pon dsl-provider as pre-up
[02:56] <MyWay> how?
[02:57] <raphink> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[02:57] <MyWay> ok im in it
[02:57] <raphink> then in the dsl-provider entry
[02:57] <raphink> add
[02:57] <raphink> pre-up pon dsl-provider
[02:57] <raphink> then paste the result in a pastebin
[02:57] <raphink> so I can see ;)
[02:57] <MyWay> you mean between this?
[02:57] <MyWay> auto dsl-provider
[02:57] <MyWay> iface dsl-provider inet ppp
[02:58] <Spudchat> happy holidays everyone
[02:58] <MyWay> thank you too
[02:59] <MyWay> raphink: i did:
[02:59] <MyWay> auto dsl-provider
[02:59] <MyWay> pre-up pon dsl-provider
[02:59] <MyWay> iface dsl-provider inet ppp
[02:59] <MyWay>      provider dsl-provider
[02:59] <MyWay> # please do not modify the following line
[02:59] <MyWay>      pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
[03:00] <raphink> should do imo
[03:01] <MyWay> do you think it should work? :O
[03:01] <MyWay> it's all the day i'm trying :(
[03:02] <raphink> I think so
[03:02] <raphink> you can put the pre-up after the other one
[03:02] <raphink> inside the iface
[03:03] <MyWay> # The primary network interface
[03:03] <MyWay> auto eth0
[03:03] <MyWay> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[03:03] <MyWay> pre-up pon dsl-provider
[03:03] <MyWay> auto dsl-provider
[03:03] <MyWay> like this?
[03:04] <raphink> hmm
[03:04] <raphink> I'd have said inside the dsl-provider iface
[03:04] <raphink> not sure
[03:05] <raphink> doesn't matter much I think
[03:05] <raphink> oops
[03:05] <raphink> anyway
[03:06] <raphink> going to bed
[03:06] <MyWay> # The primary network interface
[03:06] <MyWay> auto eth0
[03:06] <MyWay> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[03:06] <MyWay> auto dsl-provider
[03:06] <MyWay> iface dsl-provider inet ppp
[03:06] <MyWay> pre-up pon dsl-provider
[03:06] <MyWay>      provider dsl-provider
[03:06] <raphink> bye bye
[03:06] <MyWay> this?
[03:06] <raphink> and gl MyWay
[03:06] <MyWay> thanks you
[03:06] <MyWay> is it good?
[03:06] <rednaxel> what's best for laptop net config: guessnet, laptop-net, netenv, mobilemesh... there's a lot of them!
[03:17] <jasonkb> hi, I just installed kubuntu and want to install all the development packages I need for kde 3.x development (i haven't maintained kolf in a while ;)  -- is there a faster way than starting out with something like apt-get install make gcc-3.4 g++-3.4 and then finding out as I go what else I need?
[03:18] <apokryphos> jasonkb: sudo apt-get build-dep kolf :)
[03:19] <apokryphos> jasonkb: you're the kolf developer? :D
[03:19] <jasonkb> heh yes
[03:19] <jasonkb> hm
[03:19] <apokryphos> Thank you for your work
[03:19] <apokryphos> I only play it rarely, but have a close friend who's a terrible aficionado. :P
[03:19] <apokryphos> (disappointed when there was no site to be found for it)
[03:19] <jasonkb> ah heh
[03:19] <jasonkb> thank you
[03:20] <jasonkb> I am too!
[03:20] <jasonkb> disappointed, that is
[03:20] <apokryphos> anyhow, build-dep is an apt tool that will resolve all dependencies for the given app
[03:20] <jasonkb> I lost a way to host it for a while
[03:20] <jasonkb> and during that time apparently the domain name expired :(
[03:20] <jasonkb> and I've been too lazy to set up a webpage elsewhere
[03:20] <apokryphos> you can always get a sourceforge account
[03:20] <jasonkb> I resurrected the user submitted courses for the time being here tho
[03:20] <jasonkb> http://web.mit.edu/jasonkb/www/kolf/
[03:21] <jasonkb> build-dep is very useful
[03:21] <jasonkb> thank you!
[03:21] <apokryphos> aha! Great link
[03:21] <apokryphos> thanks
[03:22] <leafw> how weird, I play golf in reality
[03:23] <apokryphos> I'd offer to host the kolf site, but I'm a true randomer to you :P
[03:23] <leafw> I didn't know there was a "kolf"
[03:23] <jasonkb> kubuntu is very nice, thanks for your work too
[03:23] <jasonkb> heh
[03:23] <jasonkb> I play on the MIT golf team -- we aren't very good
[03:23] <leafw> I'm 3.1
[03:23] <leafw> been playing all life long
[03:24] <leafw> how does one design a game in kolf ?
[03:24] <apokryphos> real golf just isn't for me; any game that has such long breaks (and doesn't involve great thinking in-between i.e. chess) can't be good for you 8)
[03:24] <leafw> a course, sorry
[03:24] <leafw> that'd be cool to do
[03:24] <jasonkb> start a new game with a blank course (choose in the ocurses pane)
[03:24] <jasonkb> then click the pencil on the toolbar to edit
[03:24] <leafw> let me apt-get it first
[03:24] <jasonkb> heh okay
[03:25] <MyWay> Is there a command for configure a router? pppoeconf or something?
[03:26] <jasonkb> I'm a tad disappointed no kdegames are installed by default on kubuntu but it's understandable
[03:26] <MyWay> jasonkb: run ur package manager and install games
[03:27] <jasonkb> er I already did
[03:27] <jasonkb> but
[03:27] <apokryphos> jasonkb: does it have any games by default actually?
[03:27] <jahshua> hello can someone please tell me what sudo apt-get clean  will do ??
[03:27] <leafw> jahshua: delete all the .deb packages
[03:27] <apokryphos> jahshua: take out all debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:28] <jahshua> what does that mean tho
[03:28] <leafw> jahshua: that where used to install applications from. No apps will be deleted.
[03:28] <jahshua> do i want to that ?
[03:28] <jahshua> i have been told to do it
[03:28] <jasonkb> apokryphos: seems not
[03:28] <apokryphos> jahshua: when you install packages with apt, it downloads them to a location before it installs them. apt-get clean takes all of those old ones out
[03:28] <leafw> jahshua: it frees hard drive space
[03:28] <jahshua> ok great
[03:29] <apokryphos> jasonkb: hm, indeed. Sounds like a bug :P
[03:29] <jasonkb> ah
[03:29] <jasonkb> how does one orchestrate a fix?
[03:30] <jahshua> so when i do sudo apt-get where do the packages go? for instance i did sudo apt-get earlier for amsn and now i want to remove it, so how do i find it
[03:30] <apokryphos> jasonkb: might either add the suggestion on the wiki page or ask jonathan about it
[03:30] <jasonkb> okay
[03:30] <jasonkb> does ubuntu install any games by default?
[03:30] <apokryphos> jahshua: you want to remove amsn from your system, or just the amsn .deb?
[03:31] <jahshua> whats the difference
[03:31] <jahshua> i dont really know :(
[03:31] <leafw> jasonkb: it doesn't.
[03:31] <jasonkb> ah..
[03:31] <apokryphos> jahshua: think of the .deb as an .exe, if you like
[03:31] <jahshua> ok right
[03:31] <leafw> jasonkb: CD space is reserved for openoffice and so.
[03:31] <jasonkb> er, an installing exe
[03:31] <jasonkb> leafw: hm okay
[03:32] <jahshua> ok so i want to remove it from my system ... i got a new .deb from sourceforge
[03:32] <apokryphos> leafw: it does, actually. gnome-games_2.12.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:32] <leafw> apokryphos: they don't appear in the kubuntu K-menu in any case
[03:33] <apokryphos> leafw: kubuntu doesn't, sure. Default ubuntu installation has some though
[03:33] <leafw> perhaps I chose not to install them? I thought I did a straightforward install.
[03:33] <leafw> ph, I see.
[03:33] <apokryphos> jahshua: ok, then sudo apt-get remove amsn
[03:33] <apokryphos> jahshua: it's really a good idea to start off with a GUI package manager. Try out adept
[03:33] <jahshua> ok im just trying to learn cli
[03:33] <jahshua> thats all
[03:34] <apokryphos> ok, sure
[03:34] <apokryphos> you should acquaint yourself with man pages -- you'll find them eternally useful :)
[03:34] <jasonkb> oh *phew* kolf doesn't start out playing a blank course any more the first time runs it
[03:34] <jahshua> yeh
[03:34] <jahshua> there are lots of them!
[03:34] <jahshua> hehe
[03:34] <jasonkb> my maintainership has been so nonexistent I forgot if 'd changed that
[03:35] <apokryphos> hi Mez :)
[03:35] <Mez> hey :D
[03:37] <Mez> evening seth_k|lappy
[03:37] <leafw> does anyone know what the 'kded' is doing on the background when I insert a CD. Is it a pre-cache or something? It kindda stalls my powerbook
[03:37] <Sean> aagh, I'm having some horrible problems with my ipod.  Anyone willing to help?
[03:37] <leafw> can it be disabled ?
[03:38] <troy> Sean: what program are you using with it?
[03:38] <Sean> I'm trying to get my ipod to enumerate as /dev/ipod whenever it's connected to the computer.
[03:39] <troy> Sean: are you using breezy?
[03:39] <Sean> Yeah
[03:39] <_psyk> how do i edit sources.list in root mode?
[03:39] <Sean> Kubuntu seems to be ignoring the udev rule I made for the ipod
[03:39] <troy> Sean: the /dev mount shouldn't matter -- it'll mount to /media/ipod using KDE, and that's where all the programs (such as gtkpod) expect it
[03:39] <_psyk> i do i access sources.list in root mode?
[03:39] <leafw> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:40] <apokryphos> _psyk: if you followed the instructions on that link, you wouldn't need to edit it directly like that 8)
[03:40] <troy> or sudo nano, if vim makes your skin crawl
[03:40] <Sean> troy: I have no /media/ipod
[03:40] <Mez> _psyk, k menu->run command -> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:40] <troy> Sean: it should be created for you when the ipod is plugged in, when using default breezy settings
[03:41] <troy> I think hald actually takes care of that
[03:41] <Sean> troy: ipod's plugged in, it's not created dynamically.  although the IPOD icon does appear on my desktop and I can browse the device's filesystem
[03:41] <Sean> ipodslave also cannot find the device
[03:42] <troy> Sean: hrmm, try running 'sudo update-usbids' and see if that helps
[03:43] <troy> Sean: the IPOD icon on your desktop, if you mouse-over it, does it tell you what device it is listed as?
[03:43] <Sean> troy: /dev/sdc2 is what the tooltip says
[03:44] <troy> and in /media you have /media/sdc2 ?
[03:44] <Sean> troy: yes
[03:44] <Sean> troy: but it isn't consistently enumerated as sdc2; sometimes it's sdb, sometimes it's sda depending on what i've got connected at the time
[03:45] <Sean> troy: i tried to symlink it to /media/ipod, but that seems to not work as well.
[03:45] <troy> okay - that's where it's behaving differently than my systems.  instead of sdc2, I get 'ipod' listed -- so I think it's something with the usb storage layer in hald or usbd, not in the /dev folder
[03:46] <troy> Sean: try gtkpod when that symlink is active (not the ipod slave, which is flaky at best)
[03:46] <Sean> gtkpod doesn't have a huge problem with it, i just detest the interface
[03:46] <Sean> but it's kludgy to have to re-symlink it when there are other devices active
[03:46] <troy> I agree, however the ipod slave wouldn't register more than 256 songs for me, even when I put more than 256 on the device -- it wasn't updating the database on the ipod properly
[03:47] <troy> so I just use gtkpod now
[03:47] <Sean> would a reinstall of Breezy Kubuntu and an immediate apt-get update and upgrade do the trick?  This install just happened today
[03:48] <jeff_> hey guys
[03:48] <troy> the /media/ipod folder should just be created, at least it does on both of my machines
[03:48] <jeff_> can anyone tell me what katapult does?
[03:48] <Sean> The only thing I've got on here is 855resolution, which is easy to configure
[03:48] <troy> brb,phone
[03:49] <jeff_> what does katapult do?
[03:50] <jeff_> guys?
[03:51] <Yv12345vY> has anybody here experienced problems with sound in gaim??
[03:52] <Sean> I turn sound off in gaim :)
[03:57] <sampan> _jeff, katapult is a convenient app launcher
[03:58] <sampan> eerrrrr jeff_ that is ... press alt-space and then type the first few keys of the apps name
[03:58] <sampan> i was told that, doesn't work with all apps, only those with kde .desktop files
[04:00] <jahshua> can someone pleeease remind me of the command to open tar.gz file
[04:00] <jahshua> dpkg something ;(
[04:01] <leafw> tar xvzf ...
[04:01] <jahshua> ohhhhhhhhh
[04:01] <jahshua> yes
[04:01] <jahshua> i wasent even close
[04:01] <jahshua> heh
[04:01] <leafw> konqueror may unpack it for you
[04:01] <_psyk> maaaaaaaan this sources.list thing has got me all confused
[04:01] <leafw> if you double-click
[04:01] <leafw> with 'Ark'.
[04:01] <jahshua> yeh i want to use cli
[04:01] <jahshua> :p
[04:01] <jahshua> trying to learn it
[04:01] <leafw> np, I only use CLI.
[04:01] <_psyk> is there a way to bring my source back to the original
[04:02] <leafw> _psyk: always make a backup first.
[04:02] <jahshua> leafw: respect.
[04:02] <leafw> you can search for source.plist at google and find someone showing an example one
[04:02] <jahshua> hrm ok i tried tar xvzf amsn-0.95.tar.gz
[04:02] <jahshua> didnt work
[04:02] <leafw> or read docs and make it manually yourself.
[04:03] <leafw> !?!?
[04:03] <ubotu> Wish i knew, leafw
[04:03] <leafw> what's the error message jahshua
[04:03] <sampan> or you can use source-o-matic and let ubuntu generate a sources.list for you
[04:03] <sampan> !easysource
[04:03] <ubotu> easysource is probably For an easy to use custom sources.list configurator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:03] <leafw> sampan: good one, I didn't know about this ubunturese thing
[04:03] <jahshua> leaf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6178
[04:04] <sampan> leafw  yeah it's a nice thing -- i've never just copy-pasted it, but it's nice to have it generate different parts which i can paste into mine
[04:04] <jahshua> maybe i got the wrong file for my distro ?
[04:04] <leafw> jahshua: first cd to the proper directory where the file lieves.
[04:04] <leafw> jahshua: tar won't install anything, only unpack.
[04:04] <jahshua> ok
[04:04] <jahshua> gotcha
[04:04] <leafw> sampan: ok
[04:05] <_psyk> hhaahaaa
[04:05] <_psyk> im a geniius
[04:05] <jahshua> woaaah ok so a whole bunch of scroll
[04:05] <jahshua> so now what
[04:05] <jahshua> heh
[04:05] <leafw> now
[04:05] <jahshua> i unpacked it
[04:05] <leafw> do a 'ls'
[04:05] <leafw> and see if there is a folder named "amsn-0.95" or so
[04:05] <jahshua> yep
[04:05] <leafw> cd into it
[04:05] <jahshua> ok
[04:06] <leafw> do a ls
[04:06] <leafw> and see if there is a config file
[04:06] <jahshua> green 'configure'
[04:06] <leafw> then, type ./configure   ,  then   make install clean
[04:06] <jahshua> and config.tcl
[04:06] <jahshua> ok
[04:06] <leafw> jahshua: but an apt-get would make it all easier.
[04:06] <leafw> why compile from source ?
[04:07] <jahshua> oh i know that
[04:07] <leafw> ok
[04:07] <jahshua> im just trying to learn
[04:07] <leafw> then, don't do make install clean.
[04:07] <jahshua> thanks for your help :)
[04:07] <jahshua> ok
[04:07] <leafw> just do    make
[04:07] <leafw> and see if it fails or what
[04:07] <jahshua> after ./configure
[04:07] <leafw> yes
[04:07] <jahshua> k
[04:07] <leafw> when it compiles fine, then do make install.
[04:07] <leafw> and make clean
[04:07] <leafw> and
[04:08] <jahshua> hmm
[04:08] <jahshua> checking tcl build dir... configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
[04:08] <leafw> to the ./configure yo ucan most times handle a --prefix=~/my_folder/whatever/
[04:08] <jahshua> that was at the end of the output
[04:08] <leafw> jahshua: so Tcl-dev (the header files for the Tcl package) is not present
[04:08] <leafw> you can apt-get it.
[04:08] <jahshua> right
[04:09] <leafw> or 'Adept'
[04:09] <jahshua> just tcl-dev ?
[04:09] <jahshua> T
[04:09] <leafw> do:  sudo apt-cache search Tcl
[04:09] <leafw> this will list what's there for Tcl
[04:10] <jahshua> ok if the text scrolls off the window
[04:10] <jahshua> how do i scroll up
[04:10] <leafw> with page-up
[04:10] <leafw> another alternative is:    sudo apt-cache search Tcl | more
[04:10] <jahshua> doesnt work
[04:10] <jahshua> page up
[04:10] <leafw> so it all goes into a temporary editor.
[04:10] <leafw> you can scroll then with space bar (screenfuls), or arrows
[04:11] <leafw> or vi style, with j,k
[04:11] <leafw> and do a search with /dev  or /Dev
[04:11] <leafw> the   n   goes to the next found word.
[04:11] <jahshua> hehehee
[04:12] <jahshua> ok
[04:12] <leafw> read up.
[04:12] <ssdo> anybody here having problems with kubuntu usplash especially during shut down?
[04:12] <jahshua> leafw i have been for two weeks.
[04:12] <ssdo> anyone have a solution?
[04:12] <jahshua> heh
[04:12] <leafw> jahshua: welcome then.
[04:12] <jahshua> tell me how to scroll up again, please :)
[04:13] <leafw> inside the  more ?
[04:13] <leafw> with arrows, or with j and k
[04:13] <jahshua> neither works
[04:13] <douglas> My sister got an iPod Video for x-mas, she of course runs windows and copied a large playlist of music to the device. She then asked me to copy my music to it, knowing that amarok 1.3.7 has good support for it. So I just now copied the music she wanted, and all of the sudden, artists with names after the letter j do not show up? What's up with this?
[04:13] <jahshua> im inside the bash shell
[04:13] <leafw> ok
[04:13] <leafw> first:
[04:14] <leafw> run this:    apt-cache search Tcl | more
[04:14] <leafw> if yo upush 'q' you quit the 'more' editor.
[04:14] <leafw> so don't push 'q'.
[04:14] <jahshua> ok
[04:14] <ssdo> what channel is KDE forums?
[04:14] <jahshua> right
[04:18] <jahshua> so i found something that says amsn an msn messenger written in tcl
[04:19] <leafw> jahshua: to compile amsn yo uneed the header files for the Tcl package
[04:19] <leafw> whcih means, the tcl-dev package
[04:19] <jasonkb> jahshua heh just to make sure, do you realize Kopete (installed by default on kubuntu) will let you hook up to MSN messenger?
[04:19] <leafw> in Adept you'll find it in 10 seconds.
[04:19] <jahshua> i cant even scroll up or down
[04:19] <jahshua> lol
[04:19] <jahshua> another day
[04:19] <leafw> so early
[04:19] <leafw> xD
[04:19] <jahshua> jasonk yes i know
[04:20] <jahshua> LOL i cant scroll!
[04:20] <jahshua> its driving me crazy
[04:20] <jahshua> i tried j and k
[04:20] <jahshua> and page up/ down and arrows
[04:20] <jasonkb> use the enter key
[04:20] <jahshua> erm
[04:20] <leafw> inside the 'more' or where, in a terminal?
[04:21] <jahshua> that just gives more text
[04:21] <jahshua> well more is highlighted right now
[04:21] <leafw> you can do:  xterm -sb -sl 10000  and this will have a scroollbar for your mouse.
[04:21] <leafw> the 'more' is a program you pipe the output of the  apt-cache search command to.
[04:22] <sampan> to end "more" hit "q"
[04:22] <jahshua> right
[04:22] <jahshua> i got all that
[04:23] <jasonkb> try shift-pageup and shift-pagedown to scroll a terminal with no scroll bars
[04:23] <jahshua> nope
[04:24] <leafw> jahshua: x86 or a ppc ?
[04:24] <leafw> does your computer have a 'fn' key at the lower left ?
[04:24] <jahshua> no
[04:24] <leafw> you may need to press it to activate the page-up -down
[04:26] <trenton> any quick tips for a gnome user switching over to kde? it become too much of a memory hog for me
[04:27] <leafw> trenton: k3b for burning CDs, right-click on desktop for a menu with "Run Command" and "Logout" ...
[04:27] <ggilbert> kio slaves are your friend :)
[04:27] <trenton> noticed that synaptic is known as adept too.. more feature rich, am liking it :)
[04:27] <ggilbert> oh and unmap the dump keybinding of shift-ctrl-alt-delete to log out immedietly :)
[04:28] <jasonkb> trenton play kolf? as far as I can tell a minigolf is the only notable difference between kde and gnome
[04:28] <jasonkb> :)
[04:28] <trenton> should i play kolf is a better question!
[04:29] <trenton> and one last possibly dumb question.. are there 'desklets' such as gdesklets for kde?
[04:29] <trenton> missing my weather information but thats about it
[04:29] <ggilbert> superkaramba does someothing similar
[04:30] <jasonkb> trenton: natch, you should play kolf
[04:30] <ggilbert> I can never see my desktop to use it though
[04:30] <ilba7r> trenton there used to be an application called kweather
[04:30] <ilba7r> just need some work setting it up
[04:30] <jasonkb> there's a weather panel applet at very least you can try
[04:31] <trenton> excellent. you guys are as helpful as the regular ubuntu crew and then some. gotta run but i hope to swing by more often :)
[04:33] <jasonkb> er, shit, I need copies of both qt 3 and qt 4 -- did just installing libqt4-core and friends overwrite my qt3? if not, what's QTDIR for qt 4?
[04:34] <jasonkb> oh
[04:34] <jasonkb>  /usr/libl/qt4, duh
[04:34] <jasonkb> I'm sorry
[04:34] <ggilbert> :) no worries. It isn't immedietly obvious
[04:36] <jahshua> leaf: ok i feel terrible.
[04:36] <leafw> jahshua: why, what happens now
[04:36] <jahshua> i gave in and used adept :(
[04:36] <treakath> hey dose any1 no where to get the linux download of firefox???
[04:36] <jahshua> i looked for that tcl header though
[04:36] <treakath> from
[04:36] <jahshua> couldnt see it anywhere
[04:36] <jahshua> <- lame
[04:37] <leafw> no need to whip your back
[04:37] <ggilbert> treakath: for ubuntu? apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:37] <leafw> I use adept all the time
[04:37] <treakath> what about kubnutu
[04:37] <`Nomad> !FreeFormats
[04:37] <ubotu> it has been said that freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[04:37] <ggilbert> same
[04:38] <ggilbert> ubuntu and kubuntu use the same package store
[04:38] <leafw> it's named tcl8.3-dev what you need.
[04:38] <treakath> ok
[04:38] <ggilbert> They're sort of two different configurations of the same distribution
[04:39] <leafw> jahshua: tcl8.3-dev
[04:39] <treakath> cant find where ypu download it from tho
[04:40] <jahshua> ok
[04:40] <jahshua> so what do i do with that
[04:40] <leafw> install it.
[04:40] <leafw> from Adept.
[04:40] <leafw> or from sudo apt-get install
[04:40] <leafw> it's a dependency of the amsn package
[04:41] <leafw> or the amsn source code, that's what you have.
[04:41] <leafw> you need those headers for compiling amsn.
[04:41] <jahshua> ok
[04:41] <jahshua> so after thats done
[04:41] <jahshua> done now
[04:41] <leafw> then go back to ./configure
[04:42] <leafw> cd to the folder, then ./configure
[04:42] <jahshua> checking tcl build dir... configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
[04:43] <leafw> you may have to tweak the ./configure file, or pass env vars to it
[04:43] <leafw> to tell it where is the tcl-dev
[04:43] <leafw> as I said, this is why the package system was invented.
[04:44] <jahshua> right
[04:44] <jahshua> so can i just remove all this and use adept
[04:44] <jahshua> lol
[04:44] <leafw> right
[04:44] <leafw> xD
[04:44] <jahshua> :(
[04:44] <leafw> or apt-get
[04:45] <jasonkb> er, everybody wins :)
[04:45] <leafw> jahshua: or apt-get to fetch a source package and see it compile it
[04:45] <leafw> if that amuses you
[04:45] <jahshua> so what about this tar file
[04:45] <leafw> just remove it.
[04:45] <jahshua> do i have to remove it
[04:45] <jahshua> or i can just drag it t the bin
[04:45] <leafw> type:   man rm   and read
[04:46] <leafw> or drag it to the bin
[04:46] <leafw> xDD
[04:46] <jahshua> :)
[04:46] <jahshua> k
[04:48] <jahshua> ok so to watch it compile .. sudo apt-get amsn  ?
[04:49] <leafw> no
[04:49] <leafw> xD
[04:49] <leafw> man apt-get
[04:49] <jahshua> lol
[04:49] <leafw> see what it can do.
[04:49] <jahshua> ok
[04:49] <jahshua> :P
[04:49] <leafw> scroll with arrows, space, or j.k again.
[04:53] <`Nomad> woahhh!!  I just upgraded to KDE 3.5 and my machine now seems twice as fast!  Is that fo rreal?
[04:56] <jasonkb> hi aseigo
[05:17] <sophie__> exit
[05:17] <treakath> hey all
[05:18] <Packing_Kaiser> hey
[05:18] <treakath> hey how aare you
[05:18] <Packing_Kaiser> I'm packing stuff.
[05:19] <treakath> snake
[05:19] <treakath> you there
[05:32] <jahshua> can someone please help me with this error
[05:33] <jahshua> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6179
[05:36] <jasonkb> kcontrol doesn't start after that, jahshua?
[05:36] <jahshua> yeh it does
[05:37] <jahshua> im just wondering about that error
[05:37] <jasonkb> i guess it's not a problem
[05:37] <jasonkb> I've never seen it so I can't say for sure tho :(
[05:39] <MasterTsunami> anyone running kde3.5 ?
[05:47] <bam_> any good tutorals on setting up a bluetooth network?
[05:54] <mac> why when I press "Administrator Mode" button in "System Settings" dialogs I just get a red outline for the client area of the window, but nothing inside of it???
[07:04] <jahshua> is telnet dangerous ?
[07:05] <jasonkb> dangerous as in someone can more easily sniff out your password, I suppose
[07:07] <sampan> telnet sends the information in plain (unencrypted text), so if someone is watching your packets they could easily see any login names and passwords you send over telnet.  but that's only dangerous if you're sending sensitive information
[07:08] <sampan> i use telnet to connect to berkeley's online library database all the time -- no sensitive information only searches for titles, authors, call #s, etc.; so there's no risk
[07:28] <jahshua> right
[07:43] <rohan> hi all
[07:43] <rohan> why does kubunu not have the "desktop access" applet ?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> rohan: it does...
[07:43] <Hobbsee> right click on kicker, add applet, desktop access
[07:43] <rohan> Hobbsee: cant find it. atleast not in default kde 3.4.3
[07:44] <rohan> Hobbsee: right, thats what i am doing.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:44] <Hobbsee> try for show desktop
[07:44] <rohan> oh... thats not present too.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> really?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> i'm sure it was there in 3.4.3
[07:45] <rohan> cant say. i will check, when i next boot into ubuntu. :)
[07:45] <Hobbsee> it's a kde thing, not the same as gnome, i suspect
[07:45] <rohan> i wouldnt know. i have never used gnome.
[07:47] <ejofee> !seveas
[07:47] <ubotu> methinks seveas is a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:47] <rohan> Hobbsee: i do, but right now i am another os..
[07:48] <rohan> the os which is named in bug #1 on malone :P
[07:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:49] <Hobbsee> that dreaded one
[07:50] <rohan> yes. unfortunately :(
[07:54] <fyrmedic> 
[08:42] <owner989> does konqueror crash for anyone else when viewing links with embedded videos?
[08:53] <owner989> this room is so dead compared to the ubuntu room
[08:54] <Hobbsee> owner989: it's christmas, in a lot of places, still...
[08:54] <Hobbsee> but at times it does go very quiet
[08:54] <owner989> yes
[08:54] <owner989> merry xmas
[08:54] <Hobbsee> you too
[08:54] <Hobbsee> anyway, which version of konq, and a link with an embedded video, so someone can test it?
[08:55] <Sneaky_Bastard> us kubuntu people are a rarer breed....
[08:55] <Sneaky_Bastard> ...we're people of quality
[08:55] <Hobbsee> that too
[08:55] <Packing_Kaiser> lol.
[08:55] <owner989> i have kde 3.5
[08:55] <Packing_Kaiser> suppose that makes  me a bastard :|
[08:55] <Packing_Kaiser> (in the dictionary sence)
[08:56] <Sneaky_Bastard> maybe I should spell that Kwality
[08:56] <Hobbsee> well...lol
[08:56] <Sneaky_Bastard> :p
[08:56] <owner989>  hobbsee, let me find one
[08:56] <Hobbsee> ok
[08:56] <Packing_Kaiser> lol Sneaky_Bastard
[08:57] <owner989> here is an example
[08:57] <owner989> any myspace link with embedded vid or music
[08:58] <owner989> eg http://www.myspace.com/scarredgal
[08:58] <owner989> try it
[08:58] <Mez> Sneaky_Bastard, can you please change your nick - I'm afraid some people might find it offensive
[08:59] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[08:59] <Hobbsee> and you get errors about it?
[08:59] <owner989> did it crash you
[09:00] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:00] <owner989> sometimes i get an alsasink error
[09:00] <owner989> or something
[09:00] <Hobbsee> segmentation fault
[09:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, that was what i got first time around
[09:00] <Hobbsee> bugs.kde.org
[09:00] <Sneaky_Bastard> if I am required to do that, I will drop this network from my list
[09:00] <Sneaky_Bastard> >:(
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Sneaky_Bastard: well, go have a look - does your nick violate the COC?
[09:01] <Hobbsee> !coc
[09:01] <ubotu> conduct is probably the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[09:01] <Sneaky_Bastard> I'm old enough and techie enough to deserve my nick of 10+ years
[09:01] <Mez> Sneaky_Bastard, fair enough - I understand that you're old enough :D but there are some people who arent...
[09:01] <owner989> so hobbsee, do you think there is any solution
[09:01] <Sneaky_Bastard> doesn't say "never offend anyone"
[09:02] <owner989> because otherwise konq is a nice browser
[09:02] <Mez> Sneaky_Bastard,  ... ?
[09:02] <Hobbsee> be considerate - it's inferred
[09:02] <Sneaky_Bastard> ok, I've had quite enough of self-righteous people trying to push me around
[09:02] <Sneaky_Bastard> good bye
[09:02] <Mez> not trying to push you around... just asking you to think of the kids
[09:02] <owner989> lol
[09:03] <Mez> weird
[09:03] <Mez> I asked nicely
[09:03] <Mez> ah well
[09:03] <Packing_Kaiser> *shrug*
[09:03] <Hobbsee> owner989: solution would be file a bug, i suspect...as for what else you could do...
[09:04] <MasterTsunami> man, i should have stayed with gnome :/
[09:04] <Hobbsee> is there an alsasink plugin for konqueror?
[09:04] <MasterTsunami> kde has been nothing but trouble since day1 :(
[09:04] <sampan> heresy!
[09:04] <Hobbsee> MasterTsunami: some people say the same thing about gnome :P
[09:04] <MasterTsunami> at least gnome wouldn't lock up when i switched modulare bay items :/
[09:05] <Mez> MasterTsunami, Linux has been a problem for me since day 1 - but I enjoy working with it :d It's fun fixing things :D
[09:05] <owner989> gnome components are more stable
[09:05] <owner989> but there are less gnome apps
[09:05] <Hobbsee> !start a desktop war
[09:05] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Syntax error in line 1
[09:06] <Mez> owner989, yet stll - some of the best apps are gnome apps
[09:06] <Hobbsee> ah drat, it's gone lol!
[09:06] <Mez> lol @ ubotu
[09:06] <MasterTsunami> like what
[09:06] <sampan> aren't all OS "trouble" in one form or another?  it's a defining characteristic
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hehehe @ sampan
[09:06] <sampan> ;D
[09:06] <Packing_Kaiser> i think software is the word your after, not os ;0
[09:06] <Hobbsee> i suspect it is, yes
[09:06] <MasterTsunami> i have no issues with linux at all
[09:07] <sampan> packing_kaiser  yeah, it probably could be broadened out to include all software
[09:07] <Mez> MasterTsunami, there's just those lil annoying bugs that you'll get with anything :D
[09:07] <Mez> lol
[09:07] <Mez> but at least in linux you can fix them
[09:07] <Mez> Packing_Kaiser, xhost _
[09:07] <MasterTsunami> a complete system crash isn't an "annoying" bug :/
[09:07] <Mez> s/\_/\+/
[09:07] <Mez> MasterTsunami, never had that
[09:08] <owner989> master did you update to kde 3.5
[09:08] <MasterTsunami> i did :|
[09:08] <owner989> what kind of crash do you get
[09:08] <Mez> ck
[09:08] <MasterTsunami> when i switch my modular battery for the cdrom or vice versa, the system locks up and crashes after a while :|
[09:09] <Mez> MasterTsunami, have you tried "ubuntu" with that to see if it's not a kernel thing ?
[09:09] <Mez> or are you sure it's kubuntu
[09:09] <owner989> is that a laptop master
 at least gnome wouldn't lock up when i switched modulare bay items :/
[09:09] <MasterTsunami> yes it's a laptop
[09:09] <MasterTsunami> and yes it's a kde thing
[09:09] <owner989> did you switch to kdm
[09:09] <owner989> or still using gdm
[09:09] <Mez> MasterTsunami, you didnt specify gnome in ubuntu :D
[09:09] <MasterTsunami> kdm
[09:10] <owner989> you can still reinstall gnome
[09:10] <owner989> with synaptic
[09:10] <MasterTsunami> i understand this :|
[09:10] <owner989> and use both
[09:10] <MasterTsunami> but why would i want to do that? :/
[09:10] <MasterTsunami> meh, i'll just file the same bug i did for ubuntu
[09:10] <MasterTsunami> and hope the kubuntu people fix it :/
[09:11] <Mez> MasterTsunami, it was a problem in general ubuntu too - not just kubuntu ?
[09:11] <MasterTsunami> back in warty it was
[09:11] <MasterTsunami> before kubuntu existed :D
[09:12] <Mez> MasterTsunami, ah - then have you tried it to see if it's a problem in plain ubuntu yet ? cause it may just have been the bug resurfacing
[09:12] <MasterTsunami> >_<
[09:12] <MasterTsunami> it..is..not...a problem..in..ubuntu
[09:12] <Mez> MasterTsunami, seeing as kubuntu and ubuntu use the same base - kernel etc - the only ifference is the window manager ...
[09:12] <MasterTsunami> only in kubuntu! :|
[09:12] <Mez> ok
[09:12] <Mez> :D
[09:12] <owner989> agreed mez
[09:12] <MasterTsunami> lol
[09:12] <Mez> glad thats clarified
[09:12] <Mez> it may be a problem in ubuntu still though :D
[09:12] <Mez> just - doesnt surface in gnome :D
[09:12] <owner989> you mean kdm
[09:13] <MasterTsunami> this is possible ;)
[09:13] <owner989> as opposed to gdm
[09:13] <MasterTsunami> or perhaps it is just 3.5?
[09:13] <MasterTsunami> i honestly didn't try it with 3.4.3
[09:13] <owner989> a lot of people are switching after linux torvalds comments
[09:13] <owner989> about gnome
[09:13] <MasterTsunami> what comments?
[09:13] <Mez> lol @ owner989 /me has been a fan for a while
[09:13] <MasterTsunami> i just wanted to try it :/
[09:14] <MasterTsunami> i tried xubuntu to but meh :/
[09:14] <owner989> fluxbox is good too
[09:14] <owner989> but minimalistic
[09:14] <Mez> MasterTsunami, http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html
[09:14] <MasterTsunami> actually gnome, xfce, kde...it's kind of like picking the biggest runt of a litter of runts :/
[09:14] <Mez> MasterTsunami, why not make your own ?
[09:15] <Packing_Kaiser> o_0
[09:15] <Mez> or use the shell ? :P
[09:15] <Packing_Kaiser> or both ;)
[09:15] <Packing_Kaiser> SDM (shell display manager)
[09:15] <MasterTsunami> :P
[09:15] <Mez> lol
[09:15] <Mez> Packing_Kaiser, isnt that called xterm ?
[09:15] <Packing_Kaiser> sdm -n (of shells) -s (size in px) ;)
[09:15] <Packing_Kaiser> lol. basicly
[09:16] <Mez> :P
[09:16] <Packing_Kaiser> :D
[09:16] <MasterTsunami> yes. little ol me will make his own display manager to compete with KDE and GNOME, which have taken years to get to where they are ;)
[09:16] <MasterTsunami> lol D;
[09:16] <Mez> MasterTsunami, or just edit KDE/gnome :D
[09:16] <Mez> to be to your liking
[09:16] <Packing_Kaiser> there you go, initiative :D
[09:16] <Mez> or we could all make UDM
[09:16] <MasterTsunami> some sort of twisted hybrid?
[09:16] <Mez> :D
[09:16] <MasterTsunami> Knome? :O
[09:17] <Packing_Kaiser> lol
[09:17] <Packing_Kaiser> but Gnome stands for something
[09:17] <Mez> MasterTsunami, GnoDE :D
[09:17] <Packing_Kaiser> whacking a k in would not be good ;)
[09:17] <owner989> gnome and kde used to stand for something
[09:17] <owner989> but now they are just names
[09:17] <Packing_Kaiser> they do still
[09:17] <Mez> KDE stands for K Desktop environment :D
[09:17] <Packing_Kaiser> K Desktop Environment
[09:17] <Mez> Kool Desktop Environment
[09:18] <Packing_Kaiser> Gnome is GNU Network something something
[09:18] <Packing_Kaiser> lol
[09:18] <Mez> or is i
[09:18] <Mez> [direct link]   Kopernicus Desktop Environment
[09:18] <MasterTsunami> maybe ;D
[09:18] <Mez> http://www.dgl.com/itinfo/2000/it001025.html
[09:18] <MasterTsunami> linux in the closet, osx on the desk! that's what i say ;)
[09:19] <Mez> GNU Network Object Model Environment
[09:19] <MasterTsunami> fancy! :O
[09:19] <Mez> linux in the closet
[09:19] <Packing_Kaiser> that's it :O
[09:19] <Mez> linux on the desk
[09:19] <Mez> windows in the bin :D
[09:19] <Mez> :-"
[09:19] <MasterTsunami> windows has a lot going for it :/
[09:19] <Mez> yeah - it does
[09:19] <Mez> but for the fact it;s not free
[09:20] <MasterTsunami> such as, the complete vertical integration thing :|
[09:20] <Packing_Kaiser> 350$ a pop ;)
[09:20] <MasterTsunami> which businesses love :O
[09:20] <MasterTsunami> $350? lol cmon
[09:20] <Mez> MasterTsunami, yet the monopolies commision doesnt :D
[09:20] <MasterTsunami> yeah, and we saw how well THAT worked out lol ;)
[09:20] <Mez> windows is good- but i like my software free :D
[09:20] <owner989> windows xp mce is more laggy than ubuntu for me
[09:21] <Mez> lol
[09:21] <owner989> ubuntu should develop a media center edition, it wouldnt be hard to do
[09:21] <Mez> I got told I was cool at work because of the whole fighting for free software thing
[09:21] <Mez> owner989, something I've actually thought about :D
[09:21] <MasterTsunami> oh you mean sudo apt-get install mythtv ? :D
[09:21] <Packing_Kaiser> heh
[09:22] <Mez> MasterTsunami, something like that
[09:22] <Packing_Kaiser> without the crap :|
[09:22] <Mez> except just a version that auto installs stuff, and runs through setup nicely :D and then you get a myth box :D
[09:22] <Mez> lol
[09:22] <owner989> there is a linux media center for the xbox
[09:22] <MasterTsunami> what, no config files? nothing like that?
[09:22] <Packing_Kaiser> no kidding ;|
[09:22] <owner989> it appeals to a lot of people
[09:23] <Mez> MasterTsunami, hopefully
[09:23] <MasterTsunami> are you sure you're talking about linux based media edition? lol.
[09:23] <Mez> it'd be cool
[09:23] <Mez> MasterTsunami, yeah - gui stuff etc etc
[09:23] <Mez> setup once and you're fine :D
[09:23] <Mez> nice GUI stuff
[09:23] <MasterTsunami> :P
[09:23] <Mez> bit like knoppmyth - but ubuntu
[09:23] <Mez> and better
[09:24] <Packing_Kaiser> without needing to setup sql databaes and new users
[09:24] <Mez> exaclt
[09:24] <Mez> it'd do that for you
[09:24] <Packing_Kaiser> I'm interested, let me know when it's done ;)
[09:24] <Mez> lol
[09:24] <Mez> when mdz sorts out myth :D
[09:25] <Packing_Kaiser> lol
[09:25] <Mez> I'm half tempted to go to sleep
[09:25] <Mez> half temted to go cook
[09:25] <Mez> which do you guys reckon I should do
[09:26] <Packing_Kaiser> i would cook
[09:26] <Packing_Kaiser> then you will need to sleep :D
[09:26] <owner989> yes cook
[09:26] <owner989> lol
[09:26] <Mez> hmm ok :d
[09:26] <Mez> talk later
[09:26] <Packing_Kaiser> later mate
[09:27] <Packing_Kaiser> *puts MicroSoft optical mouse on list of things to take on holiday*
[09:37] <HeartBT> !azureus
[09:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[09:38] <HeartBT> alright, now there must be a way to install it without all the gnome junk!
[09:56] <treakath> hey all
[09:56] <Packing_Kaiser> hi
[09:57] <treakath> how are you
[09:59] <HeartBT> Hey kaiser.  howzit?
[09:59] <Packing_Kaiser> not bad.
[09:59] <Packing_Kaiser> going to get somthjing to eat soon
[09:59] <treakath> k
[10:00] <treakath> hi chal
[10:00] <HeartBT> how to get azureus without all the extra gnome kaka is my current task, any thoughts?
[10:00] <Packing_Kaiser> HeartBT: how go yoU?
[10:01] <Packing_Kaiser> download the jar from the website work?
[10:01] <HeartBT> go well, nice quiet xmas, no kids screaming, nobody.  do they all have to come back?
[10:01] <Packing_Kaiser> lol. fraid so ;)
[10:01] <HeartBT> I was hoping for a nice bundled package for kde.
[10:02] <Packing_Kaiser> I'm feeling a bit down, but oh well
[10:02] <treakath> hi zugot
[10:02] <HeartBT> don't be down, next week is a whole new year.
[10:03] <treakath> whts wrong
[10:03] <Packing_Kaiser> mmm. and i wont be here to share it with you lot ;/
[10:03] <HeartBT> you get to travel!
[10:03] <Packing_Kaiser> yes!
[10:03] <sampan> travel > us lot
[10:03] <treakath> r u ok
[10:03] <Packing_Kaiser> I'll feel better again later, just the last hour or sos been getting to me :|. nm. will all be good
[10:04] <HeartBT> guess I gott go find a jar of azureus.
[10:04] <treakath> cheer up babe
[10:12] <treakath> hey bambam
[10:12] <treakath> talt
[10:13] <treakath> bambam
[10:13] <treakath> k
[10:13] <HeartBT> widgets??  I have to install all that other garbage for widgets?
[10:14] <treakath> install what
[10:16] <HeartBT> libswt-gtk-3.1-java  is required to azureus, but that depends on the gnome keyring and a list of others.  seems a high footprint for widgets.
[10:16] <flosoft> hey
[10:16] <HeartBT> hay?
[10:16] <flosoft> I got a problem ... I can't remove PHPMyAdmin
[10:16] <flosoft> is there a way to force this?
[10:16] <owner989> heart why not just install from www.azureus.com
[10:17] <HeartBT> going to owner989 just thought I would do a little homework first to see if it's really the better option.  then a rant hit me and well here we are.
[10:17] <owner989> wrong link sorry
[10:17] <owner989> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[10:17] <owner989> i think it is the better option if you dont want the ubuntu version
[10:18] <HeartBT> yeah, I completely agree with you.
[10:19] <HeartBT> just got my undies in a curl there for a sec, seeing the MB's filling up for notta.
[10:19] <owner989> the ubuntu azureus is old anyway
[10:19] <owner989> but it does auto update
[10:20] <flosoft> /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm: line 12: db_get: command not found
[10:20] <owner989> so will the jar from the azureus website
[10:20] <flosoft> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von phpmyadmin (--remove):
[10:20] <flosoft>  Unterprozess pre-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 127 zurck
[10:20] <flosoft> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
[10:20] <flosoft>  phpmyadmin
[10:20] <flosoft> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:20] <flosoft> root@Ubuntu:/home/admin #
[10:20] <owner989> flosoft what about --force
[10:21] <owner989> or something
[10:21] <flosoft> same#
[10:21] <flosoft> that is line 12 in the file it says
[10:21] <flosoft>     db_get phpmyadmin/reconfigure-webserver
[10:21] <flosoft> because my phpmyadmin is broken
[10:22] <flosoft> I can't login .... so I wanted to reinstall it
[10:22] <owner989> how did you install ti
[10:22] <flosoft> Synaptic
[10:22] <owner989> doesnt synaptic uninstall it
[10:22] <flosoft> but an older version ... it has been upgraded several times
[10:22] <flosoft> nope
[10:22] <flosoft> same error
[10:22] <HeartBT> uninstall clean remove config files?
[10:23] <owner989> good idea heart
[10:23] <flosoft> same error
[10:23] <flosoft> that is that what I tried to do
[10:23] <owner989> what about reinstalling then removing
[10:23] <flosoft> how?
[10:23] <owner989> in synaptic
[10:23] <flosoft> I may just try that
[10:23] <flosoft> give me a sec
[10:26] <flosoft> same error
[10:26] <flosoft> and it is still broken
[10:27] <HeartBT> it gave that error on install?
[10:27] <flosoft> uninstall
[10:27] <flosoft> install worked
[10:27] <HeartBT> no errors? and then uninstall clean and same error?
[10:28] <HeartBT> wacky.
[10:28] <flosoft> yes
[10:28] <flosoft> it is really annoying
[10:28] <HeartBT> does synaptic make a log of changes?
[10:28] <flosoft> what is that phpmyadmin.prerm
[10:28] <flosoft> how do you mean?
[10:28] <flosoft> I see  the error message
[10:29] <flosoft> /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm: line 12: db_get: command not found
[10:29] <flosoft> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von phpmyadmin (--remove):
[10:29] <flosoft>  Unterprozess pre-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 127 zurck
[10:29] <HeartBT> well I was just thinking that if it logged what it did, you could confirm it did what it said it did.
[10:29] <HeartBT> never mind.
[10:30] <HeartBT> db_get command not found.  ???
[10:30] <flosoft> yes
[10:30] <flosoft> it is written in on line 12
[10:31] <flosoft> from line 10
[10:31] <flosoft> # Package maintainer's commands follow:
[10:31] <flosoft> if [ "$1" = "remove" ]  || [ "$1" = "purge" ] ; then
[10:31] <flosoft>     db_get phpmyadmin/reconfigure-webserver
[10:31] <flosoft>     webservers="$RET"
[10:31] <flosoft>     restart=""
[10:32] <HeartBT> is that supposed to be a space after phpmyadmin/   ?
[10:33] <flosoft> don't know
[10:33] <flosoft> lets try without ;)
[10:33] <HeartBT> if it's a command string, I don't think so.
[10:34] <flosoft> the error is with db_get
[10:34] <HeartBT> I'm no programmer, but I beleive that that is an imbedded command.
[10:34] <owner989> did you try sudo apt-get update
[10:34] <flosoft> yep
[10:35] <flosoft> no updates
[10:40] <owner989> one thing i noticed is that in gnome, the internet keys on the keyboard worked but not in kde
[10:40] <owner989> there is a way to setup but looks like too much trouble considering i rarely use them
[10:42] <HeartBT> flosoft, phpmyadmin right?
[10:42] <HeartBT> what version
[10:43] <flosoft> 4:2.6.4-pl1-1ubuntu1.1
[10:44] <cmptrman> Could someone help me out.  I have a file that I cant delete as root, I have even tried using a live cd to delete it.
[10:44] <HeartBT> do you read spanish?
[10:44] <HeartBT> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/phpmyadmin/+bug/4811
[10:45] <flosoft> yes that is my error
[10:45] <flosoft> how do I fix it?
[10:45] <HeartBT> reading, the bug is known and fixed, I just have'nt found how yet.
[10:48] <HeartBT> headache approaching and no resolution in sight.
[10:48] <HeartBT> hey but take heart! they fixed it in dapper!
[10:50] <HeartBT> Fixed in dapper, breezy workaround is not really correct
[10:51] <HeartBT> ok, so what is the workaround?
[10:53] <HeartBT> The workaround is to update to PHP 5.13 or newer whatever that means
[10:53] <owner989> or just edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm
[10:53] <owner989> and # line 12
[10:53] <owner989> i would try that
[10:54] <HeartBT> hey! that does sound easier!
[10:54] <HeartBT> ok, I'm taking a break,  My head is splitting, and I'm not even caring about my azureus fix anymore.
[10:55] <HeartBT> bbiab
[10:56] <osh_> I found a very annoying dvd. I can play my other films but not this "Batman begins". Is there something I can do or have they managed to lock down dvd's again?
[10:57] <osh_> libdvdread: Could not open /dev/scd0 with libdvdcss.
[10:58] <flosoft> ok ... so what do I have to replace in line 12?
[10:58] <owner989> comment it out with #
[10:58] <flosoft> ok
[10:59] <flosoft> IT WORKS!!!!
[10:59] <flosoft> THX @ ALL of u!
[11:00] <owner989> no prob lol
[11:00] <flosoft> but still it doesn't work :S
[11:00] <flosoft> can't login
[11:01] <owner989> login to what
[11:01] <flosoft> PHPMyAdmin
[11:01] <owner989> didnt you uninstall it
[11:01] <flosoft> I did
[11:01] <flosoft> to reinstall and see if it would be fixed
[11:01] <owner989> i would install that version
[11:02] <owner989> and download the newest one from the phpadmin website
[11:02] <flosoft> ???
[11:02] <owner989> uninstall i mean
[11:02] <flosoft> and get a newer one?
[11:02] <owner989> yes
[11:02] <flosoft> where from?
[11:03] <owner989> http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/downloads.php
[11:03] <owner989> im not sure where you can get an updated deb file
[11:03] <owner989> though
[11:05] <flosoft> damn
[11:06] <flosoft> can I use the .deb file from dapper?
[11:09] <osh_> flosoft: try it.
[11:09] <osh_> flosoft: what could possibly go wrong... ;-)
[11:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:10] <Hobbsee> with a comment like that, anything!
[11:10] <osh_> flosoft: most likely it'll fail on some dependencies.
[11:10] <flosoft> damn
[11:10] <Hobbsee> what's this for?
[11:38] <EauTisse> Merry Christmas all ... how can I check available disk space in KDE ? Am I supposed to use some plugin to Kicker I read about on the web ?
[11:39] <EauTisse> (does Kicker still exist ?)
[11:39] <Hobbsee> EauTisse: kicker still exists.  df -h -T in a terminal works well
[11:39] <Hobbsee> think there are a couple of other packages somewhere that let you view your remaining space graphically
[11:39] <EauTisse> Hobbsee: I'll use the cmd line myself, the visual aid is for my father
[11:40] <Packing_Kaiser> kdisc or similar?
[11:41] <Packing_Kaiser> btw. hi Hobbsee, wb :)
[11:41] <Hobbsee> hi Packing_Kaiser :)
[11:41] <Packing_Kaiser> :)
[11:41] <Packing_Kaiser> bbl
[11:42] <Hobbsee> EauTisse: kdf
[11:42] <EauTisse> hm, not imediately available, I'll check in the package manager
[11:42] <EauTisse> Hobbsee: cheers
[11:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's in universe
[11:43] <chal> hi
[11:43] <EauTisse> oh btw, I was able to get java installed and available to Firefox but Konqueror won't pick it up as a plugin
[11:43] <EauTisse> has someone managed to make that work ?
[11:44] <EauTisse> I read the usual howto ... but it didn't seem to work although I put the plugin .so into one of the dirs that are scanned by Konq
[11:45] <Hobbsee> EauTisse: and did it work after that?
[11:45] <EauTisse> no, that's the point :-)
[11:45] <EauTisse> bah, never mind for now
[11:46] <EauTisse> more pressing problems ...
[11:46] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[11:46] <osh_> EauTisse: Use something from superkaramba. Lots of packages there have diskspace monitoring.
[11:46] <EauTisse> like printers : I defined a printer, selected the make and model from a list I was offered (Canon BJC 210) ... and all I get is a few lines of garbage on the paper
[11:47] <chal> does anybody know how i can rotate the screen?
[11:47] <osh_> EauTisse: the printer. probably the wrong driver. I had the same problem. Choose another printer-driver (or printer model).
[11:48] <osh_> Chai: Grab monitor with both hands. Lift the left hand more than you lift the right and then put the monitor back down again.
[11:48] <EauTisse> osh_: ok, I'll try something
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[11:49] <osh_> s/chai/chal/
[11:50] <Hobbsee> i would have said "grab monitor, throw out window, watch it spiral down before it hits the ground"
[11:51] <EauTisse> *CRUNCH*
[11:51] <Hobbsee> more like smash, but yes
[12:06] <bobbyd> hi
[12:07] <Hobbsee> hi
[12:09] <XamDM> need help no sound in dapper, but alsa found the card....
[12:09] <bobbyd> XamDM, unmuted?
[12:12] <XamDM> bobbyd: no
[12:12] <XamDM> bobbyd: it is not muted
[12:12] <osh_> XamDM: play with the settings in kmix. It usually helps. Did for me...
[12:13] <XamDM> bobbyd: in breezy and hoary it worked fine
[12:13] <XamDM> osh_: i tried
[12:13] <bobbyd> XamDM, use breezy? :)
[12:13] <bobbyd> dapper had new hardware detection...
[12:13] <Hobbsee> try muting headphone jack sense and line jack sense?
[12:13] <XamDM> ill try ...
[12:14] <XamDM> there is no mute option available for headphone (sblive 1024player)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> headphone jack sense, not headphones...
[12:16] <Hobbsee> it shoudl be there..
[12:16] <Hobbsee> under switches
[12:16] <XamDM> Hobbsee: Headphone LFE and Headphone Center
[12:17] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[12:17] <EauTisse> Hobbsee: kdf was what I needed, thanks !
[12:18] <Hobbsee> EauTisse: yay!  glad to help
[12:18] <EauTisse> heh ... does it integrate into Konqueror or do I always have to run it separately ?
[12:20] <EauTisse> weird really that the functionality isn't in the default configuration of KDE
[12:21] <EauTisse> the desktop environment goes to all sorts of extremes of coolness and friendliness but you have to go and fire up the package manager to dig up some widget to check your available disk space
[12:21] <Hobbsee> it was in 3.4.3, in kinfocenter, but not in 3.5
[12:21] <EauTisse> ah, go figure
[12:21] <Hobbsee> got no idea why
[12:21] <EauTisse> yeah, weird
[12:23] <EauTisse> waaahahaha, looking at the printer drivers, there's a "Canon BJC 210" and a "Canon BJC-210" !!!!
[12:23] <EauTisse> LOL
[12:23] <EauTisse> cool
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:23] <Hobbsee> try both
[12:23] <Hobbsee> one at a time
[12:23] <EauTisse> I am !
[12:23] <EauTisse> heheh
[12:23] <Hobbsee> but hey!  at least it finds your printer at all!
[12:23] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:23] <raphink> other differences between the two ?
[12:23] <EauTisse> oh yes, I' was very happy about that
[12:23] <EauTisse> don't know yet
[12:26] <EauTisse> booohoooo ....
[12:26] <EauTisse> fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in
[12:27] <EauTisse> eh
[12:27] <EauTisse> "can't load the driver"
[12:27] <EauTisse> bugger
[12:27] <osh_> Hah. Mplayer to the rescue. Apparently I can read the dvd. It's just okle, kaffeine and vlc that can't do it.
[12:27] <EauTisse> fuck me !
[12:27] <EauTisse> it works !
[12:27] <EauTisse> haha, CR+LF is fucked up !
[12:28] <osh_> EauTisse: Are you moderatly attractive, rich and female I'd might have a go. Otherwise no.
[12:28] <osh_> EauTisse: ;-)
[12:28] <EauTisse> I'm a hot cheerleader
[12:28] <EauTisse> 17
[12:28] <EauTisse> massive tits
[12:29] <Packing_Kaiser> EauTisse: please don't swar
[12:29] <Packing_Kaiser> *swear
[12:29] <EauTisse> pulpous lips
[12:29] <osh_> EauTisse: Oh, did I mention that I'm Brad Pitt?
[12:29] <EauTisse> a "tit" is a bird
[12:29] <EauTisse> osh_: *oooh* Brad !
[12:29] <Packing_Kaiser> (21:57:31) EauTisse: fuck me !
[12:29] <Packing_Kaiser> (21:57:49) EauTisse: haha, CR+LF is fucked up !
[12:29] <EauTisse> oh !
[12:29] <EauTisse> ah !
[12:29] <EauTisse> ok
[12:29] <Packing_Kaiser> pls don't :|
[12:29] <EauTisse> shall be more careful
[12:30] <Packing_Kaiser> thanks.
[12:30] <Packing_Kaiser> go back to partying ;)
[12:30] <EauTisse> please forgive me, I'm a 17 year old cheerleader
[12:30] <EauTisse> nah, full of food
[12:30] <EauTisse> got a printer to get workinf (damn it)
[12:30] <EauTisse> btw, driver is a success
[12:30] <rfaPsychO> hi pl can anybody help me with a little sound problem ?
[12:30] <EauTisse> now I have to find out where I set the CR+LF
[12:31] <tenco> hi all
[12:31] <rfaPsychO> hi
[12:31] <Packing_Kaiser> hi
[12:32] <tenco> is it possible to compile kde apps on breezy when so has installed kde 3.5.0 packages?
[12:32] <rfaPsychO> yes why ??
[12:32] <tenco> when i want to install the kdelibs4-dev package, i get 80 broken packages
[12:32] <rfaPsychO> why not ?
[12:32] <rfaPsychO> ok how did you install kde 3.5
[12:32] <rfaPsychO> with construct ?
[12:32] <tenco> no
[12:33] <rfaPsychO> how did you install ?
[12:33] <tenco> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[12:33] <rfaPsychO> compile it by yourself ?
[12:33] <rfaPsychO> ok
[12:33] <tenco> was the repository
[12:33] <rfaPsychO> ummm
[12:34] <rfaPsychO> this are not the stabel packages
[12:34] <rfaPsychO> this are developement packages
[12:34] <rfaPsychO> why did you install ?
[12:34] <raphink> this is the stable version of KDE
[12:34] <rfaPsychO> yes of kde but not for kubuntu
[12:35] <raphink> huh?
[12:35] <tenco> perhaps this is an aptitude problem
[12:35] <tenco> ?
[12:35] <raphink> what do you expect on kubuntu.org rfaPsychO ?
[12:35] <rfaPsychO> kubuntu at the moment has kde 3.4.3
[12:35] <raphink> they are not official packages for kubuntu, as in main or universe packages
[12:35] <_andrea> c' un italiano qui?
[12:35] <raphink> rfaPsychO: kubuntu _breezy_ currently has 3.4.3
[12:35] <Hobbsee> !it
[12:35] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:35] <rfaPsychO> yep thats what im trying to tell him
[12:35] <raphink> but kubuntu _dapper_ has 3.5.0 ;)
[12:36] <tenco> no
[12:36] <_andrea> ok
[12:36] <raphink> _andrea: parli l'inglese qui per favore
[12:36] <tenco> i have breezy with kde 3.5.0
[12:36] <raphink> tenco: so do I
[12:36] <raphink> tenco: but rfaPsychO is right in the fact taht 3.5.0 is not default on breezy, and no official anyway
[12:36] <raphink> s/no/not/
[12:36] <EauTisse> I don't believe this, the "print test" that is offered in the printer config applet writes something like 10 pages of stuff
[12:36] <_andrea> there isn't anyone in #kubuntu-it
[12:36] <tenco> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[12:37] <EauTisse> shouldn't a print test be like one A4 pages ?
[12:37] <raphink> _andrea: if it's not a kubuntu-specific question, go to #ubuntu-it
[12:37] <tenco> so why do they announce it on kubuntu.org? its official
[12:37] <raphink> EauTisse: the default print test is one A4 page
[12:37] <EauTisse> oops, I've just realised, it's PostScript !
[12:38] <EauTisse> raphink: : wrong driver still, eh ?
[12:38] <raphink> EauTisse: ;)
[12:38] <raphink> depends if your printer is postscript or not EauTisse
[12:38] <tenco> ok, iam installing with adept now. seems like this was an aptitude problem
[12:38] <EauTisse> raphink: I wouldn't have thought so, old Canon
[12:38] <EauTisse> inkjet thingy
[12:38] <raphink> yep no chance
[12:39] <EauTisse> the "Driver selection" recommends that I take foomatic+gimp-printer
[12:39] <EauTisse> I'll try foomatic+bjc200
[12:40] <EauTisse> wooh !
[12:40] <EauTisse> YEAHH !!
[12:41] <rednaxel> eau = water
[12:41] <EauTisse> this is excellent, thanks KDE/Linus/RMS/ESR/Mummy
[12:42] <tenco> hmm, ok. adept got it now
[12:44] <osh_> Bah. gam_server needs some love I think. It was taking 60% of the memory of my 1GB box. Going from 800mb used mem to 150mb just by doing a kill -15 on it.
[12:44] <Packing_Kaiser> gam server does for several reasons
[12:45] <rfaPsychO> can anybody tell me if kde3.5.0 is running stable on breezy ?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> seems to be
[12:45] <raphink> rfaPsychO: not officially, but it is stable
[12:45] <osh_> Packing_Kaiser: it's sgi's fam in a gnome version isn't it?
[12:45] <rfaPsychO> ok
[12:45] <rfaPsychO> i will make the upgrade
[12:46] <rfaPsychO> i wanna try this new little kde baby on my breezy
[12:46] <rfaPsychO> ;)
[12:46] <Packing_Kaiser> osh_: not sure, but it's not working right ;)
[12:46] <raphink> rfaPsychO: don't worry, it'll work fine
[12:46] <rfaPsychO> not working right ??
[12:46] <rfaPsychO> omg
[12:46] <Hobbsee> raphink: what's this?
[12:46] <rfaPsychO> i will upgrade it will work because i install it
[12:46] <raphink> Hobbsee: one of my packages doesn't build anymore since a lib was removed from a package on 21st dec
[12:47] <osh_> Packing_Kaiser: That's noted. After killing it my HDD-light isn't doing a fair imitation of a stroboscope anymore.
[12:47] <Hobbsee> ah, great, which lib?
[12:47] <raphink> thing is that I can't even find where this lib is called in the source Hobbsee :s
[12:47] <raphink> Hobbsee: libXft.la
[12:47] <rfaPsychO> can i stay in kde to make this apt-update ?
[12:47] <osh_> rfaPsychO: sure. I did.
[12:47] <raphink> Hobbsee: latest changelog says :
[12:48] <rfaPsychO> ok thx
[12:48] <Packing_Kaiser> osh_: it's also causing issues with ubuntu dappers 'applications' menu, and not letting go of files
[12:48] <raphink>   * Stop shipping libXft.la.
[12:48] <raphink>  -- Daniel Stone <daniel.stone@ubuntu.com>  Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:13:31 +1100
[12:48] <rfaPsychO> come beack later to tell you if it worked
[12:48] <rfaPsychO> cya
[12:48] <raphink> I can't get why this lib has been stopped shipping though
[12:48] <Hobbsee> will it build without the lib, if you modify it?
[12:48] <raphink> Hobbsee: I don't know where this lib is called, so I can't modify it
[12:48] <raphink> trying to find it
[12:49] <Hobbsee> search?
[12:49] <raphink> but I can't seem to find where it is
[12:49] <raphink> I did
[12:49] <Hobbsee> i guess serach where is the question...
[12:49] <osh_> Packing_Kaiser: Yeah, I noticed that there are a few enties in bugzilla about it. I don't think I'll bother adding another one then.
[12:49] <raphink> grep libXft ./* in my source
[12:49] <Hobbsee> mmm
[12:49] <raphink> grepped all the files
[12:50] <raphink> I don't think .la files are includes though
[12:50] <raphink> I don't know how they are called
[12:50] <Hobbsee> email the guy in question, as to why it was taken out?
[12:50] <raphink> it seems it's libtool that crashes at build
[12:50] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:50] <Packing_Kaiser> Hobbsee: Daniel stone took it out
[12:50] <raphink> I did send him a message on IRC. waiting for an answer
[12:50] <Packing_Kaiser> he's ubuntu's main X developer
[12:50] <raphink> Packing_Kaiser: yes we know that, but why? and what is there to replace it?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Packing_Kaiser: i didnt know that, but ok
[12:51] <Packing_Kaiser> raphink: i don't know. I'm not an x dev
[12:51] <raphink> Packing_Kaiser: ok then. I asked Daniel about it, hopefully he will answer me
[12:51] <Packing_Kaiser> ok
[12:52] <Packing_Kaiser> *checks dapper changes list for references to the file*
[12:52] <Packing_Kaiser> raphink: are you on dapper-changes list?
[12:53] <raphink> hmm
[12:53] <osh_> Suspend to disk doesn't work well on newer dell laptops. I've got a D810 here and it doesn't work. It seems to save the mem-info but it reboots during restore and comes back up clean. Is that a bugzilla entry perhaps?
[12:53] <raphink> not sure
[12:53] <raphink> I don't think so
[12:53] <raphink> there are too many lists
[12:53] <raphink> lol
[12:53] <Packing_Kaiser> raphink: where did you find that file got removed?
[12:53] <raphink> in the changelog of libxft source package
[12:53] <Packing_Kaiser> raphink: join flood, i will paste more of that email
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hehe - there are far too many lists
[12:54] <Packing_Kaiser> well I'm on a dozen or so, so it's not all hard
[12:54] <raphink> Hobbsee: yes
[12:54] <Packing_Kaiser> raphink: you joining?
[12:54] <raphink> yep
[12:55] <Packing_Kaiser> #flood
[12:55] <raphink> course ;)
[12:55] <raphink> I need to join
[12:55] <raphink> oh #flood you meant
[12:55] <raphink> I thought dapper-changs
[12:56] <Packing_Kaiser> lol. no
[12:56] <Packing_Kaiser> leave that to idiots like me
[12:56] <raphink> Packing_Kaiser: ?
[12:56] <raphink> well if ithere's such a list I suppose it's useful ;)
[12:57] <Packing_Kaiser> it can be :)
[12:58] <raphink> Packing_Kaiser: this doesnt' help me fix my issue though
[12:58] <Packing_Kaiser> raphink: 2 questions (I'm technicaly not here btw), how old is the file your trying to compile (how recently was it made), and have you tried those dev packages
[12:59] <raphink> hmm
[12:59] <raphink> the file i'm trying to compile is very new
[12:59] <raphink> and one week ago, it built fine with the dependencies I had put
[01:00] <raphink> now of course I can try to build it in a dchroot with these devs manually
[01:11] <blackflag> hello all
[01:11] <blackflag> can someone tell me where I can get mysqlcc for ubuntu?
[01:11] <blackflag> I tried from the source but this ends with errors
[01:12] <blackflag> is there a way to install mysqlcc via apt?
[01:21] <Phazeman> does anybody knows where to find the klamav official .deb for kubuntu ?
[01:22] <hilbig> hi, does anyone know how I can change the ALT+SPACE key combo for katapult?
[01:22] <rfaPsychO> back again upgrade to kde 3.5.0 worked for me
[01:22] <hilbig> Or how I can disable katapult?
[01:22] <rfaPsychO> i only had to reboot the system 2 or 3 times and run Adept 2 times
[01:23] <rfaPsychO> apt-get update / apt-get upgrade diddnt work for me had to use adept
[01:23] <tvo> hilbig: while the launcher is shown, press ctrl+C and a menu will pop up
[01:23] <hilbig> tvo: ah that did it, thanks
[01:24] <rfaPsychO> the only strange thing in kde3.5.0 are the programms on the title bar are faded out
[01:25] <rfaPsychO> really strange
[01:26] <rfaPsychO> ok this was a setting
[01:35] <sky-> ciao
[01:44] <faked> I want send emails in my lan with mailx, do I need for sending emails over lan an extra Packages therefore?
[01:45] <tygryss> hi
[01:47] <tygryss> I use the kunbutu 6.04 ...
[01:48] <tygryss> and I dont know how to enable sound ... I have ac97 sound card on my asus laptop
[01:48] <raphink> which is not last verison ;)
[01:48] <raphink> s/verison/version/
[01:54] <Forza> Kubuntu say that my usb mp3 player is full when it's almost empty, i have deleted the "invisible" .Trash folder but still no change, anyone who can help me out with this?
[01:56] <tygryss> how can I install kwin-baghira on kunbutu ?
[01:56] <tygryss> or gnuplot and open dx
[01:57] <manveru> apt-cache search kwin
[01:57] <manveru> or better... search for baghira
[01:58] <manveru> http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.shtml <- very useful :)
[01:59] <Forza> anyone plz?
[01:59] <manveru> Forza: btw, you can see the stuff that takes all the space in konqueror
[01:59] <manveru> just choose the file-size-view or however it's called in english
[02:00] <manveru> will give you a nice view of what files take how much space
[02:00] <Forza> manveru; due to konqueror it's empty just like what my console says
[02:01] <Forza> but due to its properties it almost full
[02:01] <manveru> its properties?
[02:01] <Forza> right click -> properties
[02:01] <manveru> oh, dunno
[02:22] <_andrea> i need to link my phone nokia with bluetooth
[02:26] <jroux> !win32codecs
[02:26] <ubotu> I heard win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[02:52] <osh_> hm, it appears that gam_server eats memory quite fast. Perhaps it's time for a cron-kill... ;-)
[02:55] <neoncode> I have KDE 3.5 and when I try to launch amaroK it displays it's splash screen, appears in the system tray, then closes... If I run it from a terminal I get this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/479179
[03:01] <conn> hi, is anyone here using firefox 1.5 and having trouble with gmail?
[03:01] <Kibou> what kind of trouble?
[03:03] <conn> I can log in and open messages, but it gets stuck when I try to send
[03:06] <Kibou> just sent a mail and it worked fine
[03:07] <conn> damn, thanks
[03:08] <conn> Kibou: do you have a router?
[03:08] <Kibou> nope
[03:08] <conn> ok, thx
[03:30] <gecon> Hello. First time here.. Need some desperate help about my network (nic) speed.
[03:33] <toby> How can I alter groups/owners/permissions such that the command '$ sudo eject /media/ipod' does not require me to sudo?
[03:33] <toby> What's the question gecon ?
[03:36] <gecon> Toby, I've spent much time trying to figure out. I have a small network at home. On 2 pc's (one running kubuntu) I have Gigabit nics but speed never gets over 9 MB/sec. I've tried many combinations of connections. Crossover CAT5e cable in use for peer2peer nic connection. Can someone maybe help?
[03:37] <gecon> 1 nic is rtl8169 (on kubuntu). The other nic is itegrated on nvidia4 motherboard. live cd ubuntu on PC having the nvidia to do my tests.
[03:38] <BleSS> hi! which file is used to set locales? is /etc/sysconfig/i18n?
[03:39] <gecon> Speed while using SMB (kubuntu to win2k) is even worst! Never > 1.5Mb/sec!
[03:57] <lwizardl> !nvidia
[03:57] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:01] <conn> how do you change the network interface's ttl setting in ubuntu?
[04:02] <lwizardl> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings && sudo apt-get nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:02] <lwizardl> whats wrong with that?
[04:17] <twinoatl> hi
[04:18] <twinoatl> Where can I submit bugreports ? can I use reportbug ?
[04:33] <rohan> hi all
[04:33] <rohan> kde 3.5 doesnt have a kde-devel pkg :P :(
[04:38] <neoxan> http://www.ultimatebierbong.de.vu/
[04:38] <neoxan> :D
[04:44] <endo602> sorry for this newbish question but is there a way I can dock device apps in the top right corner of the screen (transparently) i used a panel
[04:45] <endo602> that did work out too well
[04:45] <rjm101> hello to all, I need some help on a laserjet 1100 and an x-eye cam, can anyone help this newbie
[04:54] <conn> is anyone here using dapper? When your ethernet interface comes up, do you see warnings from dhcp?
[04:58] <rjm101> conn-looks like everyone is alseep
[05:03] <rjm101> hello to all, I need some help on a laserjet 1100 and an x-eye cam, can anyone help this newbie
[05:14] <rjm101> hello to all, I need some help on a laserjet 1100 and an x-eye cam, can anyone help this newbie
[05:18] <_abi> hey guys, how can I select an external soundcard as the default one in kubuntu?
[05:18] <_abi> when I cat /proc/asound/cards, it shows bot of my soundcards
[05:19] <_abi> but I dont know how to select it as default
[05:34] <nekomata> Is 9.5GB likely to be enough space for everything except /home for a laptop install does anyone know?
[05:35] <_matt> nekomata: a fresh install is likely to be a couple of gigs. if you want to upgrade, add more packages, etc it can quickly rise to aroun 7-9 gigs..
[05:37] <nekomata> thanks
[05:40] <bipolar> can anyone help me? I can't eject the cdrom drive on my laptop. There is no disk in it, It's not mounted. Pushing the button on the cdrom or running the "eject" command in a term does nothing. everytime I do either one I can hear the cdrom trying to spin up, but there is no disk in it.
[06:08] <EauTisse> guys, the Java howto on www.konqueror.org mentions kjas. Another java howto on the kubuntu webforum doesn't mention kjas. Is kjas necessary or not ?
[06:16] <EauTisse> it's ok, I got my answer elsewhere (#kde)
[06:20] <slubman|lt> hi
[06:20] <gecon> hello... please, I need some help with a slow rtl8169 NIC connection. I've post details etc. here: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2523.0
[06:26] <EauTisse> guys, is there a handy pannel to set KDEHOME and KDEDIRS or should I edit them in some boot script ?
[06:35] <gecon> hello... please, I need some help with a slow rtl8169 NIC connection. I've post details etc. here: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2523.0
[06:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:47] <chino> is there a set way i should layout my partitions ?
[07:24] <foster> Frohe Weihnachten
[07:35] <knewb> Hi - anyone know of a repository that has kpilot-devel? I've got no luck googling for it
[07:36] <nalioth> knewb: have you searched packages.ubuntu.com in the dapper repos?
[07:38] <knewb> nalioth: nope, let me give that a shot..  thanks
[07:39] <nalioth> knewb: hang on i misread your question
[07:39] <knewb> if a package can't be found there, does it mean it's not available?
[07:39] <nalioth> knewb: is there a kpilot homepage?
[07:41] <knewb> yes.. I've switched to kubuntu after using suse for a while, and the suse distro had that package
[07:43] <nalioth> knewb: then i'd suggest you find a source package (either build your own from the tarball from the homepage, or grab a source package from suse)
[07:44] <kkathman> kpilot is in the repos :)
[07:44] <kkathman> !info kpilot
[07:44] <kkathman> kpilot - KDE Palm Pilot hot-sync tool
[07:45] <nalioth> kkathman: he wants -dev
[07:45] <kkathman> libpisock8 - Library for communicating with a PalmOS PDA
[07:45] <kkathman> 
[07:46] <kkathman> you can look also at this:  apt-cache search prc-tools
[07:46] <knewb> nalioth: I'm trying to compile an app called ksafeid that needs the devs
[07:47] <kkathman> knewb: look at the prc-tools....there is one for each kind of processor
[07:48] <kkathman> prc-tools - GCC, GDB, binutils, etc. for PDAs using the PalmOS
[07:48] <knewb> kkathman: thanks, I'll have a look at that
[07:48] <ubotu> kpilot: (KDE Palm Pilot hot-sync tool), section utils, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 1661 kB, Installed size: 4044 kB
[07:49] <kkathman> looks like ubotu is a little slow today
[07:49] <knewb> lol
[07:49] <nalioth> oh, btw, good morning kkathman
[07:49] <kkathman> good morning nalioth -- Hope your Christmas was a good one, sir :)
[07:50] <nalioth> kkathman: it was better than some that i've spent working
[07:51] <kkathman> well I was thinking about you having to work...my father used to work every holiday also.. He worked at a newspaper and they dont shut down for holidays :)
[07:52] <nalioth> i've spent time in combat zones for xmas, been in far off states (when i drove a truck) so dispatching taxis was a change
[07:54] <kkathman> nalioth: and probably a nice change :)
[08:13] <knewb> nalioth: kkathman - much thanks for your pointers..! led me to find out that kubuntu uses ' libkdepim1-dev' instead of kpilot-devel
[08:13] <kkathman> great..well glad that helped :)
[08:13] <nalioth> knewb: share the love
[08:37] <{Satan_Lady}> anyone can say me whats this?
[08:38] <nalioth> ok then.
[08:58] <rubem> hi there
[08:58] <rubem> which package has the gcc, g++, make, etc?
[08:59] <nalioth> rubem: install "build-essential"
[09:01] <rubem> which package has the sintax enhancemnts for vi and vim
[09:01] <vvv> hi i have a problem with audio's cd
[09:01] <vvv> on xmms i can't listen the audio but they seem to move
[09:02] <nalioth> !sound
[09:02] <ubotu> sound is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[09:02] <jahshua> hello can someone please help me with this error
[09:02] <jahshua> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6214
[09:04] <jdef> just upgraded from Kubuntu preview to final and storage media empty
[09:06] <nalioth> jahshua: you'll need to point totem at another mount point
[09:06] <jahshua> how do i do that
[09:07] <nalioth> jahshua: on that i'm not sure, but the hardcoded places totem looks dont exist in kubuntu
[09:07] <nalioth> kkathman: you here?
[09:07] <jahshua> can i change the file association somehow
[09:07] <jahshua> i dont even want totem
[09:08] <jahshua> but i have al this gnome stuff now cause i installed the gnome desktop
[09:08] <jahshua> so things are all a bit confused at the moment
[09:12] <jdef> has anyone seen storage media being empty
[09:13] <nalioth> jahshua: you are not limited to 'gnome stuff' you can use what you like
[09:17] <jahshua> right
[09:18] <jahshua> but i mean
[09:18] <jahshua> the file associations seemed to have changed
[09:19] <nalioth> jahshua: right click on the item in nautilus/konqueror and properties. choose which app should open it
[09:24] <Voodoo_Vibe> hey!
[09:25] <Voodoo_Vibe> anyone who knows if there is support for soundblaster audigy 4 in kubuntu??
[09:25] <melonipoika> hi all, is anyone using initnd?
[09:25] <melonipoika> i installed it, but i get some errors when starting the computer
[09:27] <Voodoo_Vibe> when i try apt-get i get error message could not lock listcatalog or something cant translate any good....anything i can do??
[09:27] <jahshua> nalioth that just gives me the option to play it in kaffeine externally etc
[09:28] <jahshua> no option to change the player
[09:28] <nalioth> jahshua: i'm not sure then, how to change the default application (is "always open with" not in the options?)
[09:29] <jahshua> no :(
[09:30] <Delvien> Anyone know how to mount an MP3 HDD based MP3 player
[09:32] <jdef> anyone knows about storage media issue in breezy
[09:32] <knewb> Delvien: it's not being detected when u attach the usb cable?
[09:33] <Delvien> knewb not that i know .. how am i supposed to tell?
[09:35] <knewb> Delvien: konq should pop up with the contents of the hdd
[09:35] <Delvien> knewb its not. is there an automount setting im missing?
[09:38] <knewb> Delvien: neg.. if we're talking a usb connection, fstab doesn't need to have anything added... wahtlisted in the /media
[09:39] <knewb> aside from dvdrecorder, cdrom
[09:39] <Delvien> knewb nothing new, i dont think its mounting
[09:42] <knewb> Delvien: take a look for err msg when u do dmesg | grep usb
[09:43] <Delvien> knewb no errors but i do see this  usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6
[09:45] <sampan> jahshua  changing default apps with konq should be easy: konq --> settings --> configure konq --> file associations ... then search for the extension/file type and change the application (move the one you want up to top on the list)
[09:45] <knewb> Delvien: so the sys is seeing the drive, just can't access it
[09:45] <Delvien> right
[09:45] <Delvien> i just need to mount the thing
[09:46] <sampan> probably won't help for gnome/nautilus, but in kde/konq it works just fine
[09:48] <knewb> Delvien: see if this lists the drive... dmesg |grep sda
[09:49] <Delvien> knewb how do i tell which one is the mp3 player
[09:49] <knewb> Delvien: Im hoping you get spmething like sda1, or sda2
[09:50] <Delvien> knewb it doesnt help that i have a ton of partitions on my HD
[09:50] <Delvien> knewb http://pastebin.com/479542
[09:51] <jahshua> hello i have a HP digital camera that uses usb to unload the images to my pc, on my windows box it was easy enough, i just installed the software on the cd and it worked fine..what do i need to do for linux ?
[09:52] <knewb> Delvien: my usb hd connects as /dev/sda2
[09:54] <Delvien> knewb mine too
[09:54] <Delvien> oh
[09:54] <Delvien> knewb my sda1 is my windows, my sda2 is my linux , sda3 is my memory swap and my sda 4 is my fat32 drive for windows/linux stuff
[09:56] <leafw> why does the kded runs when I insert a CD to the point of clogging all the RAM and almost blocking the computeR?
[09:56] <leafw> can it be stopped ?
[09:56] <leafw> s/stopped/stop !?
[09:56] <jahshua> yes it annoys me too
[09:56] <jahshua> dont know how to stop it :(
[09:57] <Delvien> knewb lol when i tried syncing it to my windows machine windows crashed
[09:57] <knewb> Delvien: try grepping just sd.. maybe it assigned it sdb2 or something...
[09:58] <Delvien> knewb when i grep SB it came up with all the USB messages
[09:59] <knewb> Delvien: ergh.. try sdb
[09:59] <Delvien> knewb nothing
[09:59] <knewb> this doesn't like msgs that start with /..  /dev/sda is one drive and perhaps /dev/sdb is the usb
[09:59] <Voodoo_Vibe> how can i get Java in konquerer??
[10:00] <Delvien> http://pastebin.com/479545 knewb
[10:01] <leafw> Voodoo_Vibe: i nthe settings, go to plugins, and scan for the java applet stuff
[10:01] <Voodoo_Vibe> leafw: ok thanx will try
[10:03] <Delvien> knewb no such file or directory /dev/sbd
[10:03] <knewb> Delvien: do you see sdp2 ?
[10:03] <knewb> in /dev ?
[10:03] <Delvien> knewb nope
[10:03] <Delvien> knewb i dont think its mounting at all
[10:04] <pagux> how do i upgrade to latest  kde 3.5 ?
[10:04] <leafw> pagux: use Adept
[10:04] <pagux> apt-get upgrade ?
[10:04] <knewb> that was from the output of grep sb
[10:05] <Delvien> knewb any command to see all mounted drives?
[10:05] <pagux> leafw: is it standard kubuntu repo or i have add it manually ?
[10:05] <leafw> pagux: the www.kubuntu.org says it has been added to the packages
[10:06] <leafw> pagux: should be findable in Adept
[10:06] <pagux> leafw: wht pakage i should search for kde-desktop ?
[10:07] <knewb> to mount all drives in fstab is mount -a
[10:07] <Delvien> anyone tell me what this is "ehci_hcd"
[10:07] <pagux> ked search gives me zillion results
[10:07] <nalioth> pagux: kubuntu-desktop
[10:09] <leafw> pagux: you can always search for 3.5
[10:09] <leafw> bu kubuntu-desktop may do
[10:09] <knewb> Delvien: to see the already mounted drives, try df -BG
[10:10] <Delvien> http://pastebin.com/479552 knewb found this in my fstab never seen it before...
[10:11] <pagux> leafw: its NOT showing kubutu-desktop as upgradable
[10:11] <treakath> hey all
[10:12] <Delvien> knewb dont t ell me i have to boot to windows to transfer songs over to  my mp3 player... gr
[10:12] <knewb> that's strange... the iso9660 is a cdrom fs
[10:12] <treakath> hey snake
[10:12] <leafw> pagux: then go to kubuntu.org and fetch it manually.
[10:12] <pagux> there must some repo for it ....
[10:13] <nalioth> pagux: you have put the 3.5 repos in your sources.list and upgraded your apt, right?
[10:13] <pagux> where i can 3.5 repo enteries ?
[10:14] <apachelogger> pagux: you're looking for a repo?
[10:14] <sampan> the topic perhaps might be a good place to look ;)
[10:14] <knewb> Delvien: dear god no ; ) boot to win is never a good option
[10:15] <pussfeller> what kinda mp3 player?
[10:15] <Delvien> pussfeller Philips Gogear Jukebox HD6330 (30 gig version)
[10:15] <nalioth> pagux: visit kubuntu.org, all info is there
[10:16] <pussfeller> u plug it in and it doesnt get mounted?
[10:19] <pussfeller> huh it uses sqlite for a db
[10:20] <Delvien> pussfeller it doesnt mount :(
[10:20] <pussfeller> Delvien: thats odd... nothing hapens at all when you plug it in?
[10:20] <pussfeller> it dont make an icon?
[10:21] <Delvien> pussfeller not to my PC no, but on my mp3 player it shows its connected
[10:21] <Delvien> pussfeller nope no icon nothing
[10:22] <pussfeller> and tail -f /var/log/kern.log or lsusb give you no info
[10:23] <pussfeller> theres a go gear linux project btw
[10:24] <Delvien> pussfeller http://pastebin.com/479567
[10:24] <Delvien> pussfeller lsusb just gives me my ports
[10:24] <Delvien> oh had to have it plugged in lol
[10:25] <Delvien> pussfeller Bus 005 Device 012: ID 0471:014b Philips
[10:25] <pagux> do i have add "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main" to upgrade to kde 3.5 ?
[10:25] <Delvien> pussfeller looks like it sees it fine, but gotta manually mount it , which i dont know how to do
[10:26] <pussfeller> ok, so you just need to figure out which /dev/sd it is
[10:26] <Delvien> pussfeller aye i dont see aANY sd in /dev
[10:27] <pussfeller> mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat /mount_point is the syntax
[10:27] <pussfeller> hmm
[10:27] <Delvien> pussfeller oh sda... yeah all 5 are accounted for, but no extras
[10:27] <pussfeller> Delvien: this is with breezy?
[10:27] <Delvien> pussfeller there is a sr0
[10:27] <Delvien> aye
[10:28] <Delvien> pussfeller all my sda 1-5 are my partitions of my HD
[10:28] <Delvien> pussfeller but there are only those 5 sdas
[10:28] <berkes> good evening people.
[10:29] <berkes> anyone care to help me with a silly kaffeine issue?
[10:29] <berkes> everytime i fire kaffeine, it starts the wizard
[10:29] <berkes> where should I look to fix that?
[10:30] <pagux> kaffene sucks go for amroK ;-)
[10:30] <berkes> pagux: that is not what i asked :)
[10:30] <berkes> pagux: besides, amarok does not (and should not) play video
[10:31] <pagux> i it think plays with xine plugin
[10:31] <pussfeller> and "mount" accounts for every thing in "lshal | grep volume.mount_point"
[10:31] <berkes> pagux: *sigh*
[10:31] <berkes> deep sigh.
[10:31] <berkes> why is it alwyas like that?
[10:32] <jahshua> i neeeeeeeeed help :(
[10:32] <berkes> when you ask something in a linux forum like 'I have this and this issue with KDE, how can i fix it' that people come over and say : use gnome.
[10:32] <jahshua> i cant play this video http://ja.metacafe.com/watch/20840/cheerleader_toss_into_the_basket/
[10:32] <pagux> try easykubuntu ....i will install allur plugins
[10:32] <berkes> or in an irc chaneel that peopl tell you to use another app with another plugin.
[10:33] <pussfeller> berkes: kafeeine is still kinda buggy and thats just a fact
[10:33] <berkes> anyway. I /know/ kaffenie is far from perfect. But at least kubuntu supports it.
[10:33] <jahshua> i dont know what plugins it needs
[10:33] <berkes> pussfeller: I am not arguing against that.
[10:33] <berkes> pussfeller: all asked was "where should I look to turn off that 'wizard'
[10:33] <Delvien> pussfeller any suggestions to me?
[10:34] <pussfeller> it seemed to work better before
[10:34] <knewb> speaking of kaffeine & bugs... anyone have 0.7.1 for breezy?
[10:34] <jahshua> someone please
[10:34] <pussfeller> Delvien: and "mount" accounts for every thing in "lshal | grep volume.mount_point"
[10:34] <jahshua> please please please
[10:34] <jahshua> what plugin do i need . Totem wont play it
[10:34] <berkes> I did not ask: "hey i don't like kaffeine, what should I use'.
[10:34] <Delvien> pussfeller only came up with cdrom
[10:34] <Delvien> !checkinstall
[10:34] <ubotu> I heard checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[10:35] <berkes> i know there is xine/mplayer/kmplayer etc.
[10:36] <Delvien> pussfeller this is a pain
[10:36] <pussfeller> if its wanting to do the wizard again, that ussaully means for whatever reason, the config file in ~/.kde either didnt get written due to a crash or something, or doesnt have something like, run_wizard or first_time = yes in it
[10:36] <berkes> could it be that kaffeine does not close properly and hence it thinks it has never been ran before?
[10:36] <berkes> or is there a hidden flag in some odd config file i must change?
[10:37] <pussfeller> Delvien: it sounds like hal isnt working correctly or something... it should automount it when you plug it in, or ask you what to do
[10:37] <pussfeller> berkes: prob the former
[10:37] <peca> berkes: do you have file ~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/wizard_stamp_v0.7.1 (or other version)?
[10:37] <berkes> pussfeller: okay. funny. I do not even see a config file, other then one in .kde/share/config called kaffeinerc
[10:38] <berkes> and I just monitored that file. It does get changed on close of kaffeine.
[10:38] <berkes> hmm peca, no
[10:38] <Delvien> pussfeller ok bro thanks for your help...
[10:38] <berkes> i think tahts it then. lemme check
[10:38] <Delvien> damn you linux !
[10:38] <pussfeller> sorry I couldnt help more
[10:38] <Delvien> np
[10:38] <pussfeller> you might try posting to the forum or mailing list, you can get some more indepth help there, it might be a bug
[10:39] <knewb> peca: you got 0.7.1 deb or compiled?
[10:39] <peca> deb
[10:39] <Delvien> pussfeller other people are asking about the same thing in the mailing list and no one answers.. Because its not an ipod no one cares
[10:39] <pussfeller> hmm, then others are geting the same prob so its a bug
[10:40] <pussfeller> might try asking on the gogear linux project....
[10:40] <Delvien> wheres that
[10:40] <berkes> peca: should that file contain something, because I did a touch (tried 0.7.1 and 0.7) but it did not help
[10:40] <pussfeller> http://opengogear.sarovar.org/
[10:41] <berkes> peca: acc to kaffeine -v I have 0.7
[10:41] <pussfeller> so berkes you start it, go thru the wizard, close it properly, and it still wants to run the wizard again
[10:41] <berkes> pussfeller: yes.
[10:41] <berkes> every time ;)
[10:41] <peca> berkes: no, its zero size
[10:41] <_mike> hi i need to mount an mp3 player on this machine, it uses usb, how can i do that
[10:41] <pussfeller> well that would get annoying
[10:41] <berkes> though not sure if it closes all pretty.
[10:41] <berkes> kaffeine: KaffeinePart: destructor is what it prints to the commandline
[10:42] <berkes> I am not sure if that indicates that there is a problem?
[10:42] <berkes> pussfeller: and yes, its pretty annoying :)
[10:42] <_mike> hi i need to mount an mp3 player on this machine, it uses usb, how can i do that
[10:43] <jahshua> plug it in
[10:43] <pussfeller> _mike: in a just world, you would plug it in and then click on open in the question box that pops up
[10:43] <peca> berkes: maybe you should chect permissions of the directory
[10:44] <knewb> hehe
[10:44] <Darksun> Quick question! Is there a way to stop KDE using ctrl-F* as a hotkey for switching between desktops, I want to use ctrl-f4 to close tabs
[10:44] <berkes> peca: no problems there.
[10:44] <_mike> HEH wow i can't believe it mounted just by plugging it in
[10:44] <_mike> sorry for my infidelity
[10:45] <_mike> haha
[10:45] <berkes> peca: i could touch the "wizard_stamp_v0.7.1 file wo problems
[10:45] <pussfeller> kaffeine --verbose
[10:45] <berkes> _mike: trust the KDE Force :)
[10:45] <pussfeller> from a terminal
[10:45] <berkes> pussfeller: will do.
[10:46] <jahshua> what plugin do i need to stream .wmv file in kde with firefox  ?
[10:46] <pussfeller> but _mike on the other hand, many mp3 players use databases to read the id tags or file names to play
[10:46] <pussfeller> !restricted_formats
[10:46] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, pussfeller
[10:46] <pussfeller> i think you do know....
[10:46] <pussfeller> !restricted
[10:46] <ubotu> well, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:47] <jahshua> what plugin do i need to stream .wmv file in kde with firefox  ?
[10:47] <berkes> what the ** ? kaffeine wants to 'cp kaffeine.desktop /home/ber/Desktop/kaffeine.desktop' o_0, peca :)
[10:48] <pussfeller> jahshua: that link from ubotu
[10:48] <berkes> peca: any idea if it wants the "/usr/share/applications/kde/kaffeine.desktop" or the "/usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-kaffeine.desktop" one?
[10:49] <peca> berkes: dont know
[10:50] <berkes> hmm. copying them all by hand did not help either :/
[10:50] <`Nomad> my apt-get command has become kinda clogged up.. I forget the command to get things working again, was it dpkg -a "somethign"?
[10:51] <pussfeller> !FreeFormats
[10:51] <ubotu> methinks freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[10:51] <apokryphos> `Nomad: clogged up? You're gonna have to be a little more descriptive
[10:51] <apokryphos> you might mean sudo dpkg --configure -a, though
[10:52] <`Nomad> I ran an update an dit never managed to get all the updates from the repositories.. Now it says I shoudl run updates to fix it.  If I run upgrade, I see a ton of packages but they won,t be installed until update has been run..
[10:52] <`Nomad> I did an sudo apt-get clean
[10:53] <apokryphos> that wouldn't really help
[10:53] <apokryphos> `Nomad: what error specifically? Can you pastebin?
[10:53] <`Nomad> Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com breezy-extras/multiverse Packages
[10:53] <`Nomad> Seems to be unable to reach a few reps
[10:54] <apokryphos> disable that repository from apt, or directly from sources.list
[10:54] <apokryphos> then sudo apt-get update
[10:54] <`Nomad> 103 packages are being held back.. I upgraded to KDE 3.5 yesterday, so I guess now it wants to give me all the latest updates to my apps
[10:54] <`Nomad> ok, will go now and try it wothout this one
[10:56] <`Nomad> ok, disabled it.. It was for extra packages only.. But 103 packages are still held back.. What does that mean?  They're not quite cooked yet?  :)
[10:56] <`Nomad> I just ran update and upgrade.
[10:57] <`Nomad> I'll try from the GUI adept
[10:57] <apokryphos> it means you should do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, instead of upgrade
[10:57] <`Nomad> oh?
[10:57] <audi> hi boys
[10:57] <`Nomad> KDE 3.5 means a dist-upgrade then?
[10:57] <apokryphos> dist-upgrade for 3.5, yes
[10:58] <`Nomad> apok: working.. thanks!
[10:58] <audi> Is there a program like Emule for kubuntu?
[10:58] <berkes> hmm. digging deeper in that kaffeine issue: I reinstalled it (wit remove --purge) but that did not help
[10:58] <apokryphos> audi: popular conventional p2p clients: frostwire/limewire, gtk-gnutella
[10:58] <`Nomad> berkes: I could never get kaffeine to work well for me.  I end up using VLC and Totem
[10:58] <berkes> I, however, do get a message when firing up. A message in that wizard, I mean:
[10:58] <audi> frostwire works with emule server?
[10:58] <berkes> No DVB-Devices found. The DVB related functions will be hidden
[10:58] <pussfeller> audi: amule, mldonkey for emule networks
[10:59] <berkes> `Nomad: that scks. I really want the kpart and stuff.
[10:59] <apokryphos> audi: no.... those are all on the gnutella network
[10:59] <audi> amule haven't .deb package
[10:59] <apokryphos> berkes: what's the issue?
[10:59] <audi> i tried compiling it but it returned errors
[10:59] <apokryphos> audi: it's in the repos
[10:59] <audi> repos?
[10:59] <apokryphos> repositories
[10:59] <berkes> apokryphos: when I rund kaffeine, it runs the wizard, every time.
[10:59] <apokryphos> !info amule
[10:59] <berkes>  ~run
[10:59] <audi> i searched 'amule' but it didnt find anything
[10:59] <audi> why?
[11:00] <apokryphos> berkes: heh, I heard someone with that issue some time ago. I think there might be a bug report on it -- worth checking out.
[11:00] <berkes> hmmm. that could also be. geez. that i didnt even think of hunting for a bug. silly me.
[11:00] <`Nomad> COuld it have been run as root initially maybe and some permission is stuck On somewhere?
[11:00] <apokryphos> audi: you don't have the Universe repository enabled
[11:00] <manveru> oh, ubuntu is ill?
[11:00] <manveru> ubotu... i mean
[11:00] <manveru> :)
[11:01] <audi> what's this apokryphos, how can i enable it
[11:01] <apokryphos> manveru: updating
[11:01] <apokryphos> !tell audi about repositories
[11:01] <manveru> ubotu: you there?
[11:01] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, manveru
[11:01] <manveru> ah, wonderful :)
[11:01] <`Nomad> !tell `Nomad about repositories
[11:01] <apokryphos> manveru: only repo info needs updating.
[11:01] <manveru> probably
[11:02] <pussfeller> amule used to be buggy, but it more gui-centric, mldonkey is fairly solid, but kinda hard to configure
[11:02] <audi> apokryphos but i haven't synaptic
[11:02] <audi> i have another program
[11:02] <audi> package and something
[11:02] <audi> adapt
[11:02] <apokryphos> audi: so follow the instructions for having Kubuntu :)
[11:02] <apokryphos> (they're at the bottom)
[11:02] <pussfeller> bus on the other hand, mldonkey runs as a deamon and only needs a webrowser to connect and control it
[11:02] <audi> can't see them
[11:02] <manveru> amule is in universe btw
[11:03] <ubotu> amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-1ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 2459 kB, Installed size: 7452 kB
[11:03] <slow-motion> bbl
[11:03] <apokryphos> audi: ahh, the factoid was changed
[11:03] <audi> i searched for AMULE but can't find it
[11:03] <apokryphos> audi: wiki.kubuntu.org/Repositories
[11:03] <manveru> !sources
[11:03] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:04] <manveru> !repositories
[11:04] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse follow section 2.3 in http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch02.html#addinguniverse - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[11:04] <manveru> wonderful :)
[11:04] <manveru> somebody updated him
[11:04] <apokryphos> no really
[11:04] <manveru> and he's faster than ever... ^^
[11:04] <apokryphos> *not really
[11:04] <audi> apokryphos i added the swtizerland server with apt-setup
[11:05] <audi> isn't this the same?
[11:05] <apokryphos> manveru: the refreshing repo information is a cron job. Factoids don't need reloading etc
[11:05] <apokryphos> audi: ok
[11:05] <apokryphos> sure
[11:05] <audi> but i still can't find it
[11:05] <audi> why?
[11:05] <apokryphos> err, no....
[11:05] <apokryphos> audi: you didn't follow the instructions. Do the part it says about enabling/adding universe/multiverse
[11:05] <manveru> apokryphos: i don't mean the info... i can apt-cache policy for that too
[11:05] <apokryphos> yes........
[11:05] <pussfeller> and then apt-get update
[11:05] <manveru> apokryphos: but the factoids changed :)
[11:05] <audi> apokryphos here? wiki.kubuntu.org/Repositories
[11:06] <apokryphos> yes
[11:06] <apokryphos> audi: argh! Wrong entry. Sorry again... one sec.
[11:06] <audi> i cant find it
[11:06] <apokryphos> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:06] <apokryphos> ok, there
[11:06] <audi> oh
[11:06] <audi> ok
[11:09] <audi> oh.
[11:09] <audi> apokryphos: Does i need doing the same on my debian?
[11:09] <apokryphos> berkes: was there a bug report on it?
[11:09] <audi> or on Debian it's not needed?
[11:10] <apokryphos> audi: not sure how it's setup on debian. They definitely don't use the "Universe/Multiverse" repository name/methodology exactly, though. That's ubuntu-specific.
[11:10] <audi> ok
[11:10] <Forza> Im trying to stream a movieclip (wmv) trough VLC, i can hear the sound but there's no picture, anyone who can help me out?
[11:10] <berkes> apokryphos: yes. a sec. pls :)
[11:10] <apokryphos> ok cool
[11:10] <apokryphos> Forza: you have w32codecs installed?
[11:11] <Forza> dunno
[11:11] <Forza> wher to get them?
[11:11] <audi> apokryphos: i have a last question: i'm trying install a program called VLC VideoLan Player, where can i find the .deb package?
[11:11] <apokryphos> audi: it's in the repos, again. =)
[11:11] <audi> oh good
[11:11] <audi> thanks
[11:12] <jahshua> i cant find any of the plugins to get this to work
[11:12] <jahshua> :((((
[11:12] <jahshua> i cant play this video http://ja.metacafe.com/watch/20840/cheerleader_toss_into_the_basket/
[11:13] <apokryphos> jahshua: works fine here in konq
[11:14] <apokryphos> though the video doesn't seem to show any cheerleader toss into the basket
[11:15] <jahshua> hmmm
[11:15] <jahshua> i was using firefox
[11:15] <jahshua> konq is suuuuper slow
[11:15] <jahshua> for me
[11:15] <berkes> apokryphos: yes, that thread in the bug report helped me localise the problem and fix it. I am now waiting for my bugzilla PW then ill give you the url + details :)
[11:16] <apokryphos> jahshua: huh? Sounds like something's wrong -- Konq is much faster than ff
[11:17] <jahshua> that page wont even load for me in konq
[11:20] <fr> hi guys whats the kde version of gedit? i always use sudo nano -w
[11:23] <audi> kwrite?
[11:25] <apokryphos> fr: kate
[11:26] <apokryphos> never sudo {GUIAPP} with kde, though
[11:26] <apokryphos> use kdesu
[11:26] <spstarr_home> hmm, is it safe to update to aptitude 0.4.0 in dapper yet?
[11:28] <vaporwave> hi, can anyone help me with re-installing grub? I reinstalled Windows and srewed up my MBR...
[11:29] <apokryphos> !grub
[11:29] <ubotu> grub is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[11:29] <Forza> I have installed the w32codecs but how do i get VLC to use them???
[11:29] <apokryphos> it will, if it's installed
[11:30] <Forza> Well its not under the codecs in VLC
[11:31] <spstarr_home> has KDE 3.5 been merged into Kubuntu ?
[11:31] <spstarr_home> if so, aptitude unhold is saying it will remove kubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <berkes> apokryphos: hers the ug, for that wizardy thing: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17109
[11:35] <apokryphos> berkes: cool, thanks
[11:35] <apokryphos> spstarr_home: in dapper, yes
[11:35] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop is just a metapack
[11:35] <spstarr_home> ok, so i dont need to use kubuntu.org's breezy packages
[11:36] <spstarr_home> right but if it takes out kubuntu-desktop it will remove everything else
[11:36] <apokryphos> if you installed by aptitude or something. One of aptitude's drawbacks :P
[11:36] <spstarr_home> just use apt-get to do it?
[11:36] <apokryphos> spstarr_home: but wait, what is it that tries to remove kubuntu-desktop?
[11:36] <berkes> apokryphos: ill be offline soon, but if you want me to test/verify anything for kaffeine, wrt that issue, feel free to mail me :)
[11:36] <spstarr_home> aptitude i find is a bit weird on that
[11:37] <spstarr_home> well, everything is dependant on kubuntu-desktop meta
[11:37] <spstarr_home> the meta package
[11:37] <fr> guys how do I add engines for amaroK? i want it to play mp3's
[11:37] <lamp---> what do i need to add a mp
[11:38] <apokryphos> spstarr_home: it removes packs it installed just to satisfy depends when you remove the original app
[11:38] <lamp---> 3 to a audio project in k3b
[11:38] <spstarr_home> i guess i'll let it remove kubuntu-desktop and now readd it
[11:38] <spstarr_home> right
[11:38] <spstarr_home> ok now im back in sync
[11:38] <spstarr_home> hopefully, apt, apt-utils debtags work now
[11:38] <apokryphos> spstarr_home: no, that's not how metapacks are meant to work. It's meant to depend on all the required things, and nothing's meant to depend on removing it
[11:39] <apokryphos> that's just aptitude's gift
[11:39] <spstarr_home> otherwise i'll have to revert those apt* packages
[11:39] <spstarr_home> apokryphos, hmm
[11:39] <elgordo12345> What do you use for DVD authoring?   I've tried qdvdauthor, runs forever but doesnt create anything, DVDStyler wont compile, varsha gives a pipeline error.
[11:39] <apokryphos> spstarr_home: but what is trying to remove kubuntu-desktop?
[11:39] <apokryphos> fr: install akode-mpeg and gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:39] <spstarr_home> oh, dbus
[11:39] <apokryphos> fr: personally I'd also install amarok-engines
[11:39] <spstarr_home> The following packages will be REMOVED:  hal ivman k3b k3blibs kdebase-kio-plugins kdm konq-plugins konqueror kubuntu-desktop <-
[11:40] <fr> ok i will try that
[11:40] <spstarr_home> sorush20, i have to now add kubuntu-desktop back and now it reinstalls those all with the new versions
[11:40] <apokryphos> spstarr_home: you get that when you try ot install......?
[11:41] <spstarr_home> apt-get install dbus
[11:41] <spstarr_home> aptitude unhold dbus would do the same
[11:41] <apokryphos> dapper is currently going through a dbus transition
[11:41] <apokryphos> lot of problems there :P
[11:41] <spstarr_home> i dont use dbus much in kde :)
[11:42] <spstarr_home> but this should sync me in drappers kde 3.5 as apposed to the breezy 3.5 packages i was using
[11:42] <apokryphos> pretty sure that the automounting and media:/ kioslave use a combination of HAL and dbus
[11:42] <fr> thanks apokryphos! it works!
[11:42] <apokryphos> cool
[11:42] <spstarr_home> a little pain wont matter as long as apt* doesnt break again
[11:42] <fr> another question, is there a search function for apt-get? i know emerge had one back when i used gentoo a long time ago..
[11:42] <spstarr_home> apt-cache
[11:43] <apokryphos> fr: apt-cache search package =)
[11:43] <spstarr_home> or aptitude search package if you have it
[11:43] <spstarr_home> ah
[11:43] <spstarr_home> libkdes4c2
[11:44] <spstarr_home> -> c2a
[11:44] <spstarr_home> ok so 3.5 is in dapper now good
[11:44] <spstarr_home> i dont understand the version numbering
[11:44] <spstarr_home> 4c2 vs 4c2a
[11:44] <fr> amaroK is a nice mediaplayer
[11:45] <apokryphos> the best ;-)
[11:45] <crimsun> libstdc++ allocator transition, shawn.
[11:45] <spstarr_home> hmm, that might break apt again (since its c++)
[11:45] <spstarr_home> which is what happened last time i updated apt*
[11:46] <crimsun> apt* are fine
[11:46] <spstarr_home> i believe dapper has the fixed debtags now
[11:46] <spstarr_home> yes :-)))
[11:46] <crimsun> yes, that was fixed a while ago
[11:46] <_lamp> How can i add mp3 filles to a k3b project
[11:46] <spstarr_home> 1.5.1 was broken
[11:46] <apokryphos> _lamp: you need k3b-mp3
[11:47] <spstarr_home> crimsun: i had badness, aptitude wouldnt let me install packages :)
[11:47] <_lamp> apokryphos: do i need multiverse sources for that
[11:47] <apokryphos> Universe
[11:47] <apokryphos> !info k3b-mp3
[11:48] <_lamp> apokryphos: it can't be installed
[11:48] <_lamp> !info k3b-mp3
[11:48] <apokryphos> _lamp: not very descriptive
[11:48] <apokryphos> why can't it be installed?
[11:49] <spstarr_home> heh score is -2
[11:49] <_lamp> E: Pakket k3b-mp3 heeft geen installeerbare kandidaat
[11:49] <spstarr_home> the following packages are BROKEN: readline-common
[11:49] <spstarr_home> I must say, i don't understand aptitude's 'score system'
[11:49] <apokryphos> _lamp: I really don't know what that means
[11:49] <apokryphos> no installation candidate?
[11:49] <_lamp> apokryphos:  yes
[11:49] <fr> I am trying to install azureus, I do "sudo apt-get install azureus"  and spits back "package azureus is not available, but is reffered to by another package ... E:Package azureus has no installation candidate"  any reason why its doing this?
[11:50] <apokryphos> _lamp: hoary/breezy?
[11:50] <_lamp> breezy
[11:50] <spstarr_home> ok, good, apt* didnt break
[11:50] <apokryphos> fr: azureus isn't in the repos. Just get it from their site
[11:50] <fr> oh, howcome its in the startup guide heh
[11:50] <ubotu> k3b-mp3: (The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.12.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
[11:50] <dutch> crimsun: I told you I found out what the red line was for ?
[11:50] <fr> do i need to apt-get java?
[11:51] <apokryphos> _lamp: weird. No idea why it says that... it sure does.
[11:51] <berkes> about amarok. I am becoming a bit worried about its usability.
[11:51] <apokryphos> fr: which startup guide/
[11:51] <crimsun> dutch: yes, the marker bit. I read it in my message log. Thanks.
[11:51] <berkes> they keep adding and adding features. Its becoming to feel a bit like a fankenstein by now :-)
[11:51] <ubotu> k3b-mp3: (The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.12.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
[11:51] <dutch> ok,  just checking..
[11:51] <apokryphos> berkes: check out amarok.kde.org -- something they're trying to really address for 1.4, apparently
[11:51] <spstarr_home> crimsun: am I mistaken but 'hotplug' is gone from dapper?
[11:51] <apokryphos> _lamp: could you pastebin your sources.list?
[11:52] <spstarr_home> initramfs-tools wants to remove it which i dont feel comfortable allowing yet unless dapper has that bit sorted out?
[11:52] <berkes> apokryphos: yea. Ive been following it closely. Pity I have so little time, for i'd love to help with some usability improvements there ;)
[11:52] <fr> apokryphos, i found it on the forums dont have the link anymore.. my firefox keeps on screwing up the bookmarks
[11:52] <apokryphos> fr: be weary of 3rd-party startup guides.
[11:53] <spstarr_home> br
[11:53] <apokryphos> fr: you do need java, though. You can get java packs from giannaros.org/buntu/breezy/i386/
[11:53] <spstarr_home> brb....reboot
[11:53] <crimsun> spstarr_home: you're not mistaken
[11:53] <fr> ok thanks i'll check it out
[11:53] <_lamp> apokryphos: i know why i don't have sources in my /etc/sources.lst can i get som?
[11:53] <apokryphos> _lamp: should be in /etc/apt
[11:54] <_lamp> IDD
[11:54] <apokryphos> I presume that's a smiley or something? :P
[11:55] <fr> apokryphos how do i use the.deb file
[11:55] <apokryphos> fr: I think Kubuntu has a right-click > Kubuntu Package Menu > Install?
[11:57] <_lamp> apokryphos: thx i think it works
[11:57] <apokryphos> cool
[12:01] <spstarr_home> yes, hotplug does not appear to be in dapper yet
[12:01] <spstarr_home> don't update initramfs :)