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artnaythat's a great project (well at least the aim is). I appreciate very much the work you've been doing12:02
artnayhow is the documentation? :o12:02
nomedartnay, coming soon12:02
nomed:)12:02
nomedi'm the only devel .. and it quite an hard work ...12:03
artnayI bet12:03
nomedi've already done the bootup process the volume-manager and the installer12:03
nomedwell mainly the installer has been fixed from guadalinex liveinstaller12:04
nomedbugs .. localization and some other stuff to work with dsslive12:04
nomedbut in these days i would play :P12:05
nomedso artwork is fine ...12:05
artnayI liked the screenshot. although it's blue, it's clean and quite modern, too. job well done :)12:08
artnayhey mhz 12:08
mhzartnay: hey12:08
artnayhad a brainstorm?12:08
artnay:)12:09
mhznot really, I needed to solve my personal issues regarding non free software12:09
artnayanyways, some updates at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal12:09
artnayhere and there12:09
artnaymhz: relating what?12:09
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artnayor was/is it too personal? :o12:10
mhzkind of12:11
artnaywell I'm not using 100 % pure FOSS, hopefully I will not get killed for that12:13
mhz:)12:14
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artnayTm_T: anyways, this is what I was talking about earlier: http://fitz.sourceforge.net/12:23
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mhzartnay: i think 1st top priority should be to unite *buntu art teams and encourage them to work together12:27
mhz2nd priority, yes... standarize wiki pages by *buntu falvour12:28
artnaymhz: the problem is that there's no clear teams12:28
mhzartnay: has this issue been discussed by CC?12:28
artnaytherefore Artteam (the contact page) could divide people into different sections (Ubuntu, Kubuntu *)12:28
artnaymhz: I don't think so12:28
artnayand as for Kubuntu, riddell said there's no any particular team at the moment12:29
mhzthen, we gotta make sure flavours leaders show up in the artwork meeting :)12:30
artnayI don't think there are any leaders *g* it's just a bunch of people here and there in quite disorganized way doing contributions12:31
artnayumh, where's my grammar checker12:32
mhzthen, we gotta make sure flavours leaders show up in the artwork meeting. Important: if not solved... we can use the ML12:33
mhzartnay: ridell, kubuntu?  ogra, edubuntu, 12:33
artnayand what about xubuntu?12:33
mhzno idea12:34
artnaythey have this logo contest going on12:34
mhza11y, Henrik12:34
mhzindeed12:34
mhzwiki and www, highvoltage12:35
lukacuinteresting discussion, but i am really tired ... must ... go ... bed ... zzzzzzzzzz :)12:35
lukacugood night all12:35
mhzlukacu: sleep well12:35
artnayg night, lukacu 12:35
artnaywell the meeting announce will be on the main page of the fridge12:37
artnaybut I still prefer mailing people, especially now during christmas time12:38
mhzartnay: i can email henrik, edubuntu people, and highvoltage12:39
artnay/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst12:40
artnaycollect2: ld returned 1 exit status12:40
artnaysorry12:40
mhzehehe12:40
artnaymhz: sure, that would most probably bring some attention12:40
mhzartnay: okis, but this will happen after dinner :(12:43
artnayhttp://www.mockup.org/about12:46
nomedartnay, i'm collaborating with that guy ... 12:47
nomedsince 3 days :)12:47
nomedhe's helping for qt stuff :)12:48
nomedreally nice project12:48
artnayoh12:49
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lukacuhi10:10
klepashey lukacu 10:52
lukacuhey klepas10:53
klepasit seems thursday will be the most likely day for our meeting10:56
lukacuyes ... i dont expect a dramatic turnover now :)11:02
lukacuis thursday 2300 utc ok with you?11:03
klepasit's not too bad11:09
klepas:)11:09
lukacumorning i guess?11:10
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klepaser.. ja :)11:12
lukacuja == yes ? :)11:14
klepasyes :)11:16
klepassorry :)11:16
lukacuwell we use 'ja' as 'yes' in slovenian language though it has german roots11:18
lukacuso it was not really difficult ;)11:18
klepasGerman is my first language11:19
klepaslukacu: http://wombat.nuxified.com/node/107 - Merry Christmas :)11:20
lukacuthanks ... wait a moment ... ill upload my christmas card (it is in slovenian but the context is clear i guess)11:23
lukacuklepas: http://colos.fri.uni-lj.si/luka/images/content/voscilnica2006.png ;)11:25
lukacudont know if you link christmas with snow in australia though... :)11:26
klepasas a European, i surely do :)11:28
klepashehe11:29
klepaslovely work :)11:29
klepasthe trees look lovely11:29
klepas"2006"?11:30
lukacuits for new year too :)11:30
lukacui worked on something else for days but then i changed the plan and inkscaped this really fast11:31
klepashehe :P11:32
klepascame out rather well11:32
klepas:)11:32
klepastime for a shower11:32
lukacuklepas: well i guess the next year is 2006?11:33
klepasbe back later11:33
lukacuok11:33
klepas:)11:33
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artnayhey all03:32
lukacuhello artnay03:35
artnayhey lukacu 03:36
klepasahoy03:37
mhzartnay: klepas: hi03:55
mhzhi all03:55
mhzklepas: iirc you sent an email inviting people to the artwork meeting03:55
mhzor was it you artnay ?03:56
klepasmhz: yes i have03:58
klepas2 so far03:58
klepasand the mail server seems to be posting them into the archives03:58
klepaswhich ought to mean they've been sent03:58
klepasbut their don't seem to be arriving in people's inboxes :(03:58
mhzklepas: that mail was sent to art ML and ...?03:59
klepasnever arrives in people's inboxes03:59
klepas=\03:59
lukacuklepas: ive received both emails03:59
klepasi've received neither. and i sent them04:00
lukacustrange04:00
klepasmhz: here's the online version: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-December/000543.html04:00
klepasmhz: also please see, ASAP! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamVoting04:00
mhzklepas: yup, i inculded that url content in a wiki page04:00
klepas:)04:00
klepassorry, i am forgetful04:00
klepasand i'm sleepy04:01
mhzklepas: so you sent it to kubuntu and art only04:01
klepasno04:01
klepaskubuntu-users and ubuntu-artwork04:01
klepasby the way04:01
klepascould someone contact Daniel Robitaille <robitaille@ubuntu.com> soon04:01
mhzgood, i am sending it to edubuntu, edubuntu-devel-es, ogra, highvoltage, ubuntu-users and ubuntu-marketing04:02
klepasand kindly ask him to put up the winning poll option04:02
klepasthanks :)04:02
klepascoming back to that04:02
klepasi will be going to sleep04:02
klepassomeone needs to mail Daniel Robitaille <robitaille@ubuntu.com>04:02
klepasin about 4 hours if i am right04:02
mhzklepas: i am04:02
klepasand just tell him the meeting date04:02
klepasand time04:02
klepasas from that poll on the wiki04:03
klepasin roughly 4 hours04:03
klepasmight be more04:03
mhzyup, it seems thursday04:03
klepasyeo04:03
klepas*yep04:03
artnaythere's not much votes, wonder if there will be more...04:03
mhz6 votes is a hell of a democracy!04:03
klepaslol04:03
lukacu:)04:03
klepasyea04:03
mhzthanks god we have meritocracy ruling over democracy :)04:04
mhz:)04:04
klepasmhz: give the other people on the other mailing lists you're sending the mail to a bit of time to respond04:04
klepassay make it 6 hours04:04
mhzokis04:04
klepasi'm at GMT/UTC +1004:04
klepasand it's 02:04 now04:04
klepasso  there is still over 6-8 hours left before the deadline we set04:05
klepasthat should give those people some time04:05
mhz, so I betta move it to 23 UTC04:05
klepasyep04:05
klepasthat sounds good04:05
klepasthanks mhz 04:05
mhznp04:05
mhzas i said, this are the stuff i can do04:05
artnayand there's actually 7 votes so far!04:06
mhzgiving opinions on art it's just a matter of liking or disliking, no art arguments :)04:06
mhzcool!!04:06
klepasthis meeting is going to rock04:06
klepas:)04:06
mhzyes!!04:07
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lukaculol04:07
klepasfinally we will be able to get some organisation into the team04:07
mhzklepas: I can invite my mom!04:07
klepasso we can put mouse to canvas04:07
mhzshe'll always support me04:07
mhz:)04:07
klepasmhz: i've invited some people from the tango project along as well04:07
mhzthat's good idea04:07
klepasand it seems some people from Linux Australia might also show04:07
artnayklepas: what about andy? is he attending?04:08
klepassomeone from the kubuntu list mailed me asking us to create a kubuntu art package for universe04:08
artnayI contacted bvc but he hasn't replied yet04:08
klepasartnay: andy told me he's on holiday on Fraser island04:08
artnaymaybe I should send an email to him04:08
klepaswhich is off the main continent of Australia04:09
artnaybut at least volvoguy will be there04:09
klepasi don't think he has a net connection04:09
klepasartnay: yes, that is important04:09
klepaswe might need to talk about a new art coordinator04:09
klepasalso, if Andy doesn't show04:09
klepasi can relate everything to him at LCA in 27 days04:09
klepas:)04:09
artnayso he'll be releasing his icon set on the same day, right?04:10
klepaswe'll probably spend a few late nights at the university college accommodation hacking away :)04:10
klepasartnay: it's supposed to be a surprise, but yep :)04:10
klepasshh!04:10
klepas:)04:10
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klepasby the way guys04:11
mhzwhat's the diff between https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList04:11
mhzhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal04:11
klepasmhz: one is the list which artnay composed04:11
mhzhehe, yes.04:11
klepasessentially acting as the agenda for the meeting04:11
klepas:)04:11
artnaymhz: Proposal was meant to be the main page, List is just to get those things editable by all04:11
artnayjhmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn04:11
mhzbut oh, i see.04:12
artnaydamn you cat!04:12
klepas;)04:12
mhzhihi04:12
klepasby the way guys04:12
klepasthe big "project" i want to work on after the meeting04:12
klepasis composing a ubuntu and kubuntu art package for universe04:12
klepaswe've already got the green lights from ogra04:12
klepasand i am sure no one will have anything against some packaged kubuntu art either :)04:13
artnayhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle04:13
artnaythat one doesn't mention how to get it via apt04:14
artnay(sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title, it's in Universe)04:14
klepasalrighty guys04:15
klepasi'm going to be off04:15
klepasi need the sleep04:15
artnaymhz: we could still remove all unnecessary text from /ArtowkrTodoProposal and rename it as /Artwork04:15
artnayg night04:15
klepasmhz: remember to send that mail! it's utterly vital!!!04:15
klepaswell mails04:15
klepas:)04:15
mhzklepas: night04:15
mhzdont worry04:15
klepas:)04:15
mhzI am on it at this very moment04:16
artnaymhz: and then we could start the /UbuntuArtwork page from scartch, move things from /ArtworkTodoList there and some other sites that haven't been linked well04:16
klepasmhz: especially the one to Daniel Robitaille <robitaille@ubuntu.com> in 6-8 hours :)04:16
mhzartnay: good idea I'll finish my 3 pending emails and that's next04:16
lukacunight klepas04:16
mhzartnay: correction! good idea I'll finish my 4 pending emails and that's next04:16
mhz:)04:17
klepasenjoy the holidays folks :)04:17
artnay:)04:17
artnayyou too, klepas 04:17
mhzno holiday here04:17
klepashttp://wombat.nuxified.com/node/10704:17
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klepas:)04:17
artnayyep, I have work tomorrow...04:17
artnaythis is just having fun04:17
mhzindeed04:17
artnaymhz: first of all, we should have an idea what parts of /ArtworkTodoList could be used in all the projects04:19
artnay /ArtworkTodoProposal should have a short summary and all mentioned links should work04:24
artnaybut we still have some time left before the meeting04:25
artnaythat would be a goal for us, get it done before the meeting04:25
artnayanyways, I'm cooking now04:25
mhzheheh04:28
mhzi am about to cook once i send those 3 mails left04:28
mhzartnay: i do agree with you, though04:28
mhzafter lunch, i can definately work on ideas for 'to do'04:29
mhzmails to danielle and 'the rest' already sent04:36
artnaydone but now I have to eat and then leave. I'll be back later :o04:47
artnaybye04:47
artnaymhz: job well done :904:47
mhzc ya later artnay 04:48
mhzart.ubuntu.com06:05
mhzr those guys here?06:09
lukacumhz: i am one of the admins of auc ...06:21
mhzre07:01
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mhzlukacu: why not all artists upload SVG or source files in AUC ?08:59
lukacumhz: dont know09:18
lukacuthe bigger problem are those who upload just svg file09:18
lukacuit is much harder to create a thumbnail out of a svg09:19
lukacuthat is one of the reasons we have about 30 pending submissions ...09:20
lukacuand thats why we need a good faq for the auc ... guidelines and so09:21
mhzgee09:21
mhzwork looks much more than just organizing stuff :(09:22
mhzok.09:22
mhzlukacu: and why authentification is same as for ubuntu sites?09:22
lukacuis it?09:23
lukacudamn, still only seven votes ...09:26
lukacuwe have more than 30 members and more than 20 of them are ... asleep?09:29
mhzhehe09:31
mhzit's always same old story09:32
mhzthat's why meritocracy rules09:32
mhzso, if others dont participate, I dont accept compaints :)09:32
lukacu:)09:32
mhz2.5 hrs to end voting09:33
lukacuand counting... ;)09:33
lukacuwell it doesnt really matter ... the importiant thing is that we start working09:34
lukacuothers will wake up later ... i guess09:34
mhzyup09:37
mhzother will show up09:37
mhzlukacu: maybe you can clarify this to me.. is this Artwork Team or Art ?09:37
mhzlukacu: maybe you can clarify this to me.. is this Artwork Team or Art Team ?09:37
mhzI meant :)09:37
lukacudont know ... let me see the announce email09:38
lukacuit says Artwork Team :)09:39
lukacuand i think thats better09:40
lukacuart team sounds like a bunch of artist doing their performaces and istallations ;)09:41
mhzlukacu: then, we gotta modify all places it says ArtTeam (like in AUC)09:41
mhzhehehehe09:41
lukacuand we are doing some serious work here ;)09:41
mhzindeed09:41
mhzUbuntu performances!09:41
mhzUP day!09:41
mhz:D09:41
lukacu:)09:41
lukacui guess we have to ... create a redirect and all that09:42
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mhzso, I'll redirect ArtTeam wiki page to ArtworkTeam09:42
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mhzkamstrup: hi09:42
mhzkamstrup: did you vote?09:42
kamstrupmhz, no...09:43
kamstrupcheers anyway :-)09:43
mhzhehehe09:43
lukacukamstrup: vote! ... it is your right, your duty ;)09:43
kamstruphehe09:43
kamstrupi will i will09:43
mhzhow many of you guys have signed the Code Of Conduct and therefore are Ubunteros?09:44
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lukacucool ... we have 8 votes now :)09:44
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lukaculol09:45
lukacubrb09:46
kamstrupvoted thursday09:49
lukacugood09:50
mhzlukacu: page redirecting ok09:51
mhzlukacu: so, have you signed CC?09:52
lukacunope ... not yet09:52
lukacuive not been a really active member of the community before the art team09:53
lukacu... artwork team ... sorry ;)09:53
mhzheheh09:55
lukacuwhat do you need to sign the cc?09:55
mhzbut you are and WILL be right?09:55
lukacuwell i hope so :)09:55
mhzCC is a commitment to Ubuntu meaning09:55
mhzthats #1 requirement09:55
mhzif you can do that and feel commited then just read the CC and sign it (digitally or with pen and fax it)09:56
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mhzDanten: hi there09:56
mhzDanten: please vote for out meeting09:57
mhzout =our09:57
lukacumhz: yeah ... now i remember why i have not sign it yet09:57
Dantenoh09:57
lukacui am lazy ;)09:57
mhzhehehe09:57
mhzgood point09:57
lukacuand i dont have digital certificate09:57
mhznot a problem09:58
lukacuwill have to get one i guess09:58
mhzthere's a nice HowTo09:58
mhzand no need of certificate, just your gpg key09:58
lukacuDanten: vote!09:59
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lukacu:D09:59
kamstrupI added a time-conversion link to the meeting wiki page09:59
lukacubachler: hi09:59
bachlerhiho10:01
bachlermerry xmas10:01
lukacubachler: vote -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamVoting10:01
lukacumerry xmas to you too10:01
lukacubachler: your vote does matter ;)10:02
bachlerthen ill just not vote :-P10:03
lukacukamstrup: good work10:03
lukacubachler: nooooooo ;)10:04
mhzkamstrup: very good tip10:04
mhzand I just added a command line way :D10:04
bachlerhmm, im a bit busy.. i have to fix some stuff, i just orderd a new box.. dual opteron242, 1gb ecc/reg dd400 ram.. gainward 6600gt goldensample :-)10:05
bachlerxmas present for myself10:05
lukacuwell its less than a minute of your time ... if you intend to be at the meeting10:06
mhzbachler: ok, dont vote but do you think you cn make it to the meeting?10:07
bachlercan't promise anyting, but ill try10:08
mhzthx10:08
lukacugreat10:08
bachleri mean.. the world could go under :-P10:08
mhzhehehe10:08
lukaculol10:08
mhzunder M$???10:08
bachleryeah.. that would be the same thing..10:08
bachlerif all goes as planed im setting up my new box then10:09
mhzbachler: excellent box to help with new ideas in Artwork team :)10:10
bachleryeah10:10
bachlergimp is a theraded app, so itll work gooood on my dual optys10:10
lukacumhz: where is that HowTo now?11:07
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artnayping mates!11:13
artnaylukacu: which HowTo? :)11:13
mhzpong artnay 11:13
artnayoh, lots of text... /me reads11:14
lukacusomething about certificates and ubnutu cc ... nothing art related11:14
artnayhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/attachments/20051226/2fbd8270/dapperproposal3-0001.jpg11:14
artnaythose open office icons bother me on a plain gnome-panel11:15
lukacui like the thunderbird icon11:15
artnaymaybe I just have too small monitor :(11:15
artnayumh, it's a bit too hostile although you could link it to something african11:16
lukacuoo.org icons really have too many details11:16
artnayand I don't understand that document11:16
artnaythe next will be most likely based on Tango, some patience please :)11:17
mhzlukacu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey11:18
mhzand..11:18
artnayare you posting something on ML?11:19
lukacuwhat should we post there?11:20
artnayI don't know, just thought you're going to sign something11:21
artnayand you mentioned a HowTo11:22
mhzartnay: he may consider becoming an ubuntero by signing CodeOfConduct11:22
artnaysounds reasonable11:22
mhzlukacu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto11:23
mhzlatter has even an example of signing CC11:23
lukacuql11:23
lukacunow all i have to do is read this and stop being lazy ;)11:24
mhzhehhe11:24
mhzand vote! :)11:25
mhzlukacu: artnay:11:25
mhzin your expert opinions11:25
lukaculol ... my "expert" opinion11:26
mhzwhat would be the logical steps to follow by people who would like to create themes for GNOME?11:26
mhzGo where, do/read what?11:26
mhzI am meeting potential Chilean volunteers, they are Graphic designers11:27
mhzso.. I need to email them with instructions/tips/suggestions in Spanish11:27
artnayto tell the truth, I don't have any GNOME docs nearby11:31
artnaywho uses GNOME anyway? *g*11:31
artnayno, just joking11:32
mhzit's that they will help me for Edubuntu11:32
mhz:)11:32
mhzand Edubuntu default is GNOME :(11:32
artnayG 2.8... I so wanted to like it, but no. I even prefer XFCE over G11:32
artnaywhat parts were you thinking?11:33
lukacuyeah ... gnome is really annoying sometimes11:33
artnayit's not very well documented, I afraid :(11:34
artnayor then I just should learn to use google more efficiently11:36
mhz?11:37
artnayask them to do some changes in gnome-panel :)11:38
lukacumhz: i am afraid i cannot help you ... i am using gnome but thats all11:39
mhzwell, afaik, ogra has been working on a menu generated by profiles11:39
artnaymhz: what kind of designers are they?11:40
mhzhmm graphic11:40
mhzthey are studying at university11:41
artnaymhz: posters? stamps? :)11:42
mhzohhh11:43
mhzweb sites, campaigns, marketing, posters, paper, envelopes, logos, etc11:43
artnayhmh, maybe they should take a look at Tango project unless they already are familiar with it11:45
artnayshow Ubuntu to these guys and have a list of different processes11:46
artnaythen ask their opinions. or do some sort of usability test... I don't know, they are your friends after all :)11:47
mhzheheh11:51
mhzokis11:51
mhzso, today we have no 'guidelines' for designers who want to collaborate with artwork?11:51
lukacunope ... do we behave like we do?11:52
lukacu;)11:52
lukacui hope we will clear this thing at the meeting11:52
mhzindeed11:53
artnayI hope one of the janes could attend11:53
lukacubut then again: we have so many thigns to discuss that the meeting could last ... days ;)11:54
artnaycanonical should publicize a branding guide11:55
mhzartnay: they'll hire a professional company of designers, afaik.11:56
artnaymhz: I've heard of that, but they still do want to have community artwork11:56
mhzindeed11:56
artnayand we haven't seen what Andy is doing atm11:57
mhzthat's why I agree on the importance of next meeting11:57
artnayand it's never been announced anywhere11:57
artnaythat should be a part of their branding guide11:57
mhzartnay: that's one of my other 'thinking' issues ;)11:57
lukacuis the voting closed now?11:57
mhzno 100% bazaar 11:57
mhz3 minutes to go, AFAIK11:58
lukaculol11:58
lukacuhurry folks! :P11:58
mhzheheheh11:58
mhzyeah, sure!11:58
mhzMon Dec 26 22:58:45 UTC 200511:59
mhzMon Dec 26 22:59:12 UTC 200511:59
lukacu...11:59
mhzlukacu: difficult part will be the time consuming 'counting votes'11:59
mhz:D11:59
lukaculol11:59
mhzMon Dec 26 22:59:44 UTC 200512:00
mhzMon Dec 26 22:59:59 UTC 200512:00
mhzokis!12:00
lukacu:D12:00
artnayok, how should /artwork be done?12:00
mhzPople: No more voting please!12:00
lukacuwrite that on the voting page12:00
artnaytop category: news, latest changes in /artwork* pages12:01
artnayTOC on the right side12:01
artnayintroduction/ a short summary12:02

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