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Lord_Athuris there an edubuntu version with SElinux to download from the web?12:25
crimsunnot that I know of12:25
crimsuncoincidentally, I'm reading a host of SELinux papers :/12:25
Lord_Athur:D12:27
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Lord_Athurhi01:49
Lord_Athurmhz_BRB, 01:49
Lord_Athurmhz_BRB,  /join #banux01:50
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mhzlol!03:54
mhzhttp://openmortal.sourceforge.net/     http://openmortal.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html  03:54
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: there will be NO meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan. | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | see also #edubuntu-es and #edubuntu-de
=== Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Fri Dec 16 10:22:09 2005
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mhzhi all12:53
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writerHi all!03:13
zakamehi writer :D03:13
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writerI get today DVD Edubuntu - is it LiveCD?03:14
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YagisanI don't think so03:20
writerWho know about Edubuntu-DVD. On the disk I found only art file. May be I bad find?03:22
Yagisanwriter: ogra may know, but he is on holidays03:23
writerThanks. Now on the West is Xmas? Yes? When will end the holidays on the West? 03:25
Yagisanwriter: It depends, most companies get 2-4 weeks holidays. 03:26
Yagisanwriter: usually most people are back by January 703:27
writerYagisan: Thank you. OK. In Russia holidays will by January 10. Happy New Year!03:29
zakamerocking03:30
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Lord_Athurhi03:31
Yagisanwriter: Happy New Year to you too!03:31
YagisanG'day Lord_Athur03:31
Lord_Athurthanks Yagisan, good day for you too03:31
Lord_AthurI've installed kubuntu breezy today, but kubuntu cannot show me the folders in /mnt of other partition03:33
YagisanSorry Lord_Athur, I'm not very familiar with Kubuntu03:37
Yagisandoes ls /mnt in a terminal work03:37
Lord_Athurok Yagisan 03:37
Lord_Athur:D03:37
writerLord_Athur: Yes, in /mnt is nothing. See in /media 03:40
Lord_Athurthere is nothing in media03:40
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writerAnd what find you?03:41
Lord_Athura???03:41
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Lord_Athurwriter, do you speak spanish?03:41
YagisanLord_Athur: nothing is mounted there then03:41
writer Lord_Athur: No, I speak bad English and good Russia03:42
Lord_Athurok writer :D03:43
writerLord_Athur: But intersting Ubuntu very03:43
Lord_Athurthat's the important03:44
writerI write the articles about Ubuntu on the http://linuxcenter.ru03:46
Lord_AthurI'll see them03:47
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mhzogra: is this german http://www.ai-vdi.org/ ?04:37
mhzogra: BTW, I am convinced... I will work on XFCE instead of wmaker04:38
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mhzYagisan: hehehe04:39
mhzwell, I'll try04:39
jsgotangcobah work in gnome :P04:39
=== mhz hopes he can tweak XFCE to look as cool as some wmaker and fluxbox screesnshot
zakameon a celeron 266 :P04:39
Yagisanzakame: I have a p2 233 right beside me04:40
Yagisan64mb ram04:40
mhzjsgotangco: the good thing is I'll try to use only non-gnome dependant apps 04:40
Yagisananyone wants testing on it, just let me know04:40
jsgotangcowell its gtk so you'll be seeing some04:40
mhzjsgotangco: indeed04:40
zakameYagisan: w00t :) I've yet to blog about the celeron running the full gnome though04:41
Yagisanyou kids today are spoilt with your gui's, back in my day it was all punch cards and cli if you were lucky04:41
Yagisanzakame: if I can find a board, I have a 6x86 120Mhz cpu here04:41
jsgotangcogahhh i only saw a punch card, not actually use one04:41
mhzjsgotangco: however, 'nomed' (aka, Daniel) is working on http://www.dsslive.org.test.ibiblio.org/mediawiki/index.php/Home04:42
YagisanI remember wiring up the plugboard on my pc04:42
mhzjsgotangco: and that DSS project is not using gnome dependencies04:42
mhzso I have some hopes04:42
zakameYagisan: ooh classic :)  I didn't do much work on those though04:42
mhzunless there's a very light KDE arounf04:43
jsgotangcowow it looks like a launchpad project04:43
mhz-f + d04:43
mhzjsgotangco: which one?04:43
jsgotangcoDSS04:43
mhzoh, yes! very cool project!04:43
mhzjust like openusability.org04:43
jsgotangcomhz, actually LP will have infrastructure to let you create your own derivatives04:44
jsgotangcoorchard is just proof of concept 04:44
mhzjsgotangco: yup, but i will not use more LP until it is 'free as in freedom'04:44
mhzi'll be patient04:45
jsgotangcowhatever suits you, i prefer to be productive :P04:45
mhzso I'll use just the parts I need to (like auth for wiki)04:45
mhzjsgotangco: yes, i know your preferences ;)04:45
jsgotangcomhz, its not that, i need tools to create stuff, like for example, i'll need java so i could export to pdf...04:46
jsgotangcothere's no competely "free" toolchain that can do that at the moment04:47
mhzjsgotangco: it doesn't matter how cool it looks or how good it is, If I can't share it with you, I won't use it04:47
mhzso, as long as i know it is not free, I can't feel comfortable promoting its use04:48
mhzI can be less or similar productive using Tutos project04:48
jsgotangcohow do you exactly define free anyways? FSF definition?04:48
mhzahhh, good question04:48
mhzGPL would summarize it04:49
mhz4 basic freedoms will do to me04:49
YagisanI tend to agree more with Debian then the FSF about free04:49
mhzYagisan: i may consider use non-free software as long as I am not contributing to such project04:51
mhzin this particular project, I am contributing04:51
mhzso I need to be sure and feel comfortable enough about freedom04:51
Yagisanmhz: I tend to see the wiki as non-free myself04:51
mhzYagisan: why?04:52
mhz.oO(ogra will kick me.. maybe this is too much off topic)04:53
jsgotangcomhz, those are pretty basic and besides, rms is a hippie =)04:53
mhzlol04:53
mhzwell, good point04:53
jsgotangcomhz, we haven't even tackled about branding and stuff04:53
mhzbut are the basis for what I have done and invested in last 3 years04:53
jsgotangcothese are just simple issues, but that's one reason why our firefox doesn't have the firefox logo04:53
Yagisanmhz: it seeks to remove the copyright from contributors, yet wishes to use copyright to prevent people taking content from the wiki04:54
jsgotangcoactually its also possible that our browser shouldnt even be called firefox04:54
zakame(gartoon has a fox though :P)04:54
mhzYagisan: ?04:54
jsgotangcozakame, but the fox isn't trademarked, the logo is04:54
zakameyup04:54
jsgotangcopretty much how canonical has ubuntu and the ubuntu logo trademarked04:54
mhzYagisan: it keeps copyright. It is implied in RecentChanges04:54
jsgotangco(dunno about kubuntu though)04:55
mhzand also in Last modified by part, Yagisan 04:55
mhzYagisan: who told you wiki wishes to use copyright to prevent people taking content from the wiki04:59
Yagisanmhz: It was in the thread I started04:59
jsgotangcoa pretty long thread05:00
mhzI dont recall ubuntu-doc people saying they use 'copyright'05:00
mhzI do recall the need to protect good content to be screwed up05:01
Yagisanmhz: where are the web archives, I can find the mail05:02
jsgotangconice chat but the sandman calls =)05:02
mhzhehe, jsgotangco bye05:02
Yagisanmhz: I recall being asked not to contribute if I wish to retain copyright over my work05:02
mhzyes05:03
Yagisanbye jsgotangco05:03
mhzI recall that too05:03
jsgotangcothe problem was mostly attribution i believe05:03
mhzYagisan: and that is no related to whishing to have copyright over the content05:03
mhzjsgotangco: indeed05:03
mhzYagisan: if a wiki is community driven content05:04
Yagisanjsgotangco: yes, that was my motivation for posting05:04
mhzwe would all be the 'owners' of such content05:04
Yagisanmhz: It's simple for me, if I author a doc, someone else must be the person to put it on the wiki, if others wish to use it05:05
mhzand therefore, everytime I wish to add or modify (even syntaxis) I'd have to aske permission to every single persone 05:05
ogra_ibookwasnt there a decision in the last CC meeting that all wiki content will be CC-SA2.5 from now on ? 05:05
mhzyes, ogra 05:06
ogra_ibookbtw dont mix up copyright with licenses ...05:06
jsgotangcoyep05:06
mhzgood point05:06
ogra_ibookconent is always copyrighted05:06
Yagisanyep - but some wish to public domain the wiki05:06
Yagisanthat is certainly not the terms I contribute on. my coding skills will never let me become a motu,05:07
Yagisanbut my other work may - unless my name is removed from said work - in which case - what proof do I have ?05:08
mhzYagisan: your name will always remain in a wiki05:10
Yagisanwow - what a tangent from how do you define free05:10
ogra_ibookYagisan, you dont need coding skills to be a packager05:11
mhzogra: as a matter of fact,,, i need to be sure packages I will work on are as independtant as possible from GNOME05:12
Yagisanogra_ibook: no, it does make it harder to fix problems. I'm having issues with my ia32-libs-universe package, that would be easier to fix05:12
mhzso I have been told to 'start packaging like that'05:12
Yagisanif I knew where to look :(05:12
mhzogra: what skill shoul I need then?05:12
ogra_ibookYagisan, dig the other distros for similar errors in the bugtrackers and find a patch ;)05:13
Yagisanmhz: I suggest determination, that's what gets me here05:13
Yagisanogra_ibook: umm, I think I'm the first05:13
ogra_ibookoh, k05:13
Yagisanogra_ibook: for kicks, feel free to check this out http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/voodoo_magic_here/05:14
ogra_ibookthen ask a specialist ;) Mithrandir is our amd64 guy, lamont does ia6405:14
mhzYagisan: I have determination05:14
mhzthen what's next?05:14
Yagisanand see if you can work out why it *always* looks for sdl in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib32 like I set up ldflags05:14
ogra_ibookmhz, basic scripting knowledge ... know how makefiles are set up and read the debian new maintainers guide05:15
Yagisanmhz: patience, and a subscription to debian-mentors helps05:15
ogra_ibookthats all you need for packaging05:15
mhzokis, thx05:15
mhzsounds simple05:15
mhzlet's see if I can make it :)05:15
ogra_ibookalso set up a pbuilder to build youor packages in a clean environment ...05:15
Yagisanand a fresh chroot to test them05:16
ogra_ibookand learn about lintian and lindam, the error checkers05:16
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Yagisanand apt-cacher or similar set up05:16
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ogra_ibook2 distros ? 05:17
YagisanUbuntu + Debian05:17
Yagisanbut I broke my debian chroots, and don't have bandwidth to fix them until Jan 705:17
mhzwow!!!05:17
ogra_ibookwho needs debian anyway :)05:18
mhzguys that sounds less simple now05:18
ogra_ibookmhz, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto and read the debian NM guide 05:18
ogra_ibookthat will get you started05:18
mhzokis05:18
mhzsorry to be running but, is the Debian NM is debian.org I assume?05:19
Yagisanlets see, 2 distros * 2 arches * 2 releases = 8 chroots + 8 pbuilders for me05:19
Yagisanmhz: yep05:19
mhzogra: did you see that xfce in action ? http://www.dsslive.org.test.ibiblio.org/mediawiki/images/Dsslive-desktop.png05:19
mhzI guess that will suit your 'end-user-desktop' description :)05:20
ogra_ibookhttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html05:20
ogra_ibookmhz ^^^05:20
Yagisannot counting my i386 chroot for apps like wine, which is why I started ia32-libs-universe05:20
mhzogra: thanks for that extra care for me :)05:20
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Yagisanbye mhz05:21
ogra_ibookhey, i'm still the motu master (at least on paper ;) )05:21
mhzbye Yagisan I hope you get less bills and more inputs05:21
mhz:)05:21
mhzogra: hehehe05:21
mhzyou are05:21
mhzBTW, ogra you are too many MR.'s05:22
mhz:)05:22
mhznot only on papr05:22
ogra_ibookyes, thats why i'm only motu master on paper... not enough time for active motu stuff05:22
Yagisanogra_ibook: master, would you like to laugh at^W^W check carefully my build logs ?05:22
ogra_ibooksure, where are they ? 05:24
Yagisanhttp://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/voodoo_magic_here/deng_1.8.9+1.9.0beta3-1ubuntu205:24
mhzogra: is that Guide in PDF or friendly print somewhere in your HD?05:24
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Yagisanmhz: IIRC that is a bigish guide when printed05:24
ogra_ibookmhz, i havent used it since ~2years05:24
ogra_ibooki dont have a local copy05:24
Yagisanmhz: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.pdf05:25
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Yagisanmhz: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.es.pdf <-05:26
Yagisanmhz: spanish help ?05:26
ogra_ibookYagisan, looks like youre trying to compile with the 64bit version of sdl05:26
mhzYagisan: thx, N-NOTU05:26
ogra_ibookhey \sh 05:26
mhzYagisan: thx, N-MOTU05:26
mhzYagisan: no, I prefer EN.. usually more updated05:27
Yagisanogra_ibook: that's the error, but I deliberately set the path /usr/lib32 where I have a 32bit version05:27
\shmoins 05:27
Yagisanogra_ibook: I can't find what is sending sdl to try and link with the 64bit libs05:27
mhz\sh: moin05:27
YagisanG'day \sh05:28
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ogra_ibookmy server gives up :(05:28
\shogra_ibook: your HE server?05:28
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ogra_ibookYagisan, -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libSDL.so05:29
ogra_ibook\sh, yes05:29
\shogra_ibook: u need smtp, imap and webspace?05:29
ogra_ibooki'm pondering to spend another 700 for new server HW05:29
Yagisanogra_ibook: yes, but I can't find what sets /usr/lib/libSDL.so05:29
ogra_ibookcurrently its running an a minimal setup....05:29
ogra_ibookbut it seems to reboot itself all 5-6h05:30
ogra_ibookand sometimes it only shuts down05:30
ogra_ibooki guess it overheats or the memory is broken05:30
Yagisanogra_ibook: ebay it !!05:30
YagisanO:-)05:30
ogra_ibooknope, i'll buy a new one 05:30
ogra_ibookand use the only case for new HW at home05:31
Yagisanogra_ibook: I meant ebay the old one05:31
Yagisanpeople will buy anything there05:31
mhzokeys, ogra and Yagisan thx for the extra help05:32
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mhzbye al05:32
mhzbye all05:32
Yagisanno worries mhz05:32
\shogra_ibook: what do you need..I could help out right now :)05:32
ogra_ibookYagisan, i want to recycle the old one05:32
Yagisanogra_ibook: ok, but if it's broke, it's always nice to have someone pay to take it away05:33
ogra_ibook\sh, not sure yet ...05:33
\shogra_ibook: if you need stable imap/smtp stuff..my server can serve this :)05:34
ogra_ibook\sh, my prob is that i have 4G hwdb data on the disk ... i dunno if i want to set it on this heavy load right now to mirror it away05:34
\shogra_ibook: well...what you can do is to go to the HE DC and check there05:35
ogra_ibook\sh, mail is currently running ok ...05:35
ogra_ibookshit... it crashed again it seems05:36
ograogra@aleph:~$ uptime05:38
ogra 18:05:55 up 22 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.11, 0.08, 0.1005:38
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\shwe have to put the hwdb stuff on revu or on my server asap05:38
ogra\sh, i orderes a vserver at HE for it05:39
ogra*ordered05:39
ograbut they dont delicer in less than 7-14 days05:39
ogra*deliver05:39
\shhum...normally they are faster05:41
ograi even called and begged05:41
ograthey arent05:41
\shogra_ibook: what about bringing the hwdb to the C DC?05:42
ogra\sh, thats the long term solution05:42
ogracurrently i dont trust the machine enough to mirror it over the net...05:42
\shogra_ibook: actually you have to do it on the HE DC :)05:43
\shs/on/in/05:43
ograyup05:43
ograhttp://cgi.ebay.de/19-1HE-Intel-P4-3-0GHz-160GB-512MB-S-ATA-RAID-Server_W0QQitemZ5845484175QQcategoryZ8074QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem05:44
ograi'll buy that one and put the HD in to mirror it directly i think 05:44
ograthe nice thing is, even with the additional vserver for 20 i'll save 20 in the end and have redundancy ...05:46
ogra\sh, the prob with pop/smtp is, that the machine is also the DNS and has the MX entries ... its not just easy redirecting ...05:47
\shogra_ibook: hmmm....updating primary ns records at denic :) 05:48
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ogra\sh, which takes me a lot effort ...05:48
ogra\sh, i'll rather buy that server and replace my oldie05:48
\shogra: well...if it gets the same ip address :)05:49
Yagisanogra: dumb question time - can't you temporally replace your broken system with a spare pc ?05:49
ograYagisan, i have no phys. access to the DC its in ... and the vserver i wanted as a quick replacement doesnt get set up this year anymore05:50
\shogra_ibook: you have :) drive to airport business park :)05:51
ograso all i can do is buy a replacement box now (its needed anyway) and set it up as fast as i can05:52
ogra\sh, doesnt gain me anything without having a replacement05:52
\shogra: true05:52
Yagisanogra: so pull your spare parts out of the garage05:53
Yagisanogra: It's probally heat, so bring some fans05:53
ograYagisan, i wont replace rubbish with rubbish05:53
ograYagisan, i have touched this machine 5 years ago the last time .... i dont want to touch it the next 5 if possible afetr this is fixed05:54
ogra*havent05:54
Yagisanogra: just a band-aid until you get a new box05:55
ograwhat ? sitting with a hairdryer in the DC ?05:56
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\shgrmpf...06:00
\shsomething is accessing one partition..and fuser doesn't tell me which app..and I'm unable to umount this partition now06:01
Yagisan\sh: lsof ?06:01
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\shYagisan: that was it...06:05
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HendrikHAZHi guys!06:30
HendrikHAZOgra, last time you told me to check in Synaptics installer for Kubuntu desktop. I did that, but did not find any packages. Where can I add the packages to the Synaptics manager in order to download them? I am running Edubutu Breezy06:31
HendrikHAZOh, I forgot. I would like to install the Kubuntu desktop on an edubuntu installation06:32
HendrikHAZCan anyone help me with this?06:35
ograthe kubuntu packages are not on the CD06:36
ograyou need th eonline repositories for it06:36
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HendrikHAZSorry again, I am a complete newbie to Linux and Ubuntu. Where can I get them?06:38
ograin the settings menu in synaptic ...06:39
HendrikHAZOk I am there and then?06:41
ograselect repositorys 06:41
ograyou'll get a popup window06:41
ogralook whats listed there (i suspect its only the CD)06:42
ograif so, click the "add" button on the right 06:43
ograand add the online repos06:43
HendrikHAZYes, it said Edubuntu cdrom Breezy. I assume I have to add06:43
ograexactly06:43
ograif you want to kbe able to install from all 17000 packages we offer, check all the checkboxes06:43
HendrikHAZUbuntu 5.1, sec updates or updates?06:43
ograjust breezy badger ...06:45
ograupdates and sec. updates is something you can do additionally ...06:46
HendrikHAZk, it's downloading the repositories now. Kubuntu desktop will be in there?06:46
ograyup06:46
ograyou'll find it with the search function then06:46
HendrikHAZK, seems I found them. I just need to install the Kubuntu desktop, right? Or are there other packages too?06:48
HendrikHAZsorry, it highlighted a whole bunch more. Will try it out. Could this potentially hose my installation or will it just add the Kubuntu desktop to choices for interface?06:50
ograyou will have gnome and kde then ...06:51
HendrikHAZK ogra thx a lot! I will get back to ya if I have any more trouble. You have been a gr8 help m8!07:04
ogra:)07:04
ograi'm happy about every user we get ;)07:04
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spacey_kihttp://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png08:55
spacey_kihehe08:55
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