[12:03] and below that could all the links (which are easily navigated using TOC the first time you see the page) [12:04] mhz: could you help with the latest changes section? [12:05] *please* :) [12:05] yes, but I still can't finish my last email (been 1 hour or so) to those designers [12:05] any better ideas? [12:05] as soon as I have dinner.. sure [12:06] and after i finish the email :D [12:06] artnay: lukacu: you lost me [12:06] which /artwork ? === mhz BRB [12:07] the main page for all that [12:08] well yeah ... but every time you start explaining that i get lost ... could you write it or perhaps even sketch it :) [12:08] shematic ... [12:09] why not just do it? ;) [12:10] well i am sure it is a good solution ... so its fine with me [12:10] lukacu: in which sentence did you lost me? [12:10] i think it was the "links" one [12:12] oh, below that would be all the topics that are currently listed at /Artwork [12:12] :) [12:12] ok [12:12] such as *buntu artwork, FAQ, Contact etc. [12:13] is that proposal a part of agenda? [12:16] lukacu: what do you mean? [12:16] well we will confirm this structure at the meeting? [12:16] or will we reorganize wiki before? [12:18] and what should be done with the default themes, icon sets and such? some of them have to be removed (in order to save space) and offered as debian packages [12:18] right? but which ones? [12:19] lukacu: it would be nice to have a better layout and some separation before the meeting [12:19] i concur === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:39] does 'ubuntu-calendar' only work on GNOME? [12:45] there could be kubuntu-calendar ;) [12:48] but have you ever seen what that is for? [12:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList - updated [12:49] mhz_BRB: it changes your background in GNOME when the month changes [12:49] it could be revieved [12:49] booh, I thought it was something better ;) [12:50] thx artnay [12:50] mhz_BRB: so [12:51] could we have a "recent changes in *Artwork* pages" on the main page? [12:51] I guess it's already possible but how? :) [12:51] well ... i need some sleep ... see you all tomorrow then :) [12:51] artnay: i dont understand, sorry [12:51] bye lukacu [12:51] lukacu: sleep well [12:52] good night [12:52] artnay: can you gimme an example of your mind [12:53] * [12:53] Development discussion is taking place at [WWW] http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel and #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net [12:53] You are welcome to join if you want to make Xubuntu a superb desktop solution! [12:53] mhz_BRB: ok, let's have a news section (meeting on the 29th, new background project started etc.) as the first element of /Artwork [12:54] below that could be a link that would show all changes in pages that contain *Artwork* and maybe related sites (think as dependencies) [12:54] artnay: i do apologyze but I still can't quite follow you [12:55] after that (or before the news section) could be a short summary [12:55] ohhh [12:55] I know there's a macro that shows up all pages in CategoryArtwork, for instance [12:55] and then links to all those subjects that need their own page (*buntu artwork, FAQ, Contact...) [12:55] is that what you mean? [12:56] .oO(it seems i am either too tired or too slow now. I still cant follow) [12:56] BRB [12:56] (cooking) === robertl [n=robertl@c-67-170-148-121.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:01] well, that link would open a new page which lists last changes in pages that contain phrase *Artwork* in title [01:01] and project pages need dependencies, too. [01:02] like Firefox theme would depend on icons etc. [01:03] unless this process can be easily and publicily tracked, it will fail :( [01:04] well it's not like changes in kernel, but still it should be easily tracked [01:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList - updated [01:28] it's 02:30 AM here, I'm off. ciao! [02:20] artnay: saw topic in #ubuntu-meeting [02:21] daniel did it [03:02] artnay: is artwork a team in LaunchPad? === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:44] klepas: hi there [04:45] I have sent an email to Jani Monses or something. [04:45] he's the admin of Xubuntu team in LP [04:53] nice [04:53] thanks :) [04:53] i get that email from Daniel [04:53] Artwork meeting in 3 days! :) [04:59] me is sleepy [04:59] but replied at least 40 mails and worked 4 hours on a @#$% report [05:00] so I think is enough for one day. [05:02] :) [05:02] i'm actually in my school holidays currently [05:02] i graduated from high school and begin college next year so i have 8 weeks holidays! [05:02] :) [05:02] and i try to do something productive each and everyday :) [05:02] so i reckon it sounds like you've had a good day [05:02] :) [05:07] heheh [05:08] that cheers me up [05:08] well, bye klepas === megabyte405 [n=megabyte@user-0cdvltn.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:28] g morning artworkers [06:30] moin [06:30] meeting has been confirmed :) [06:30] Thursday the 29th of December. 23:00 UTC [06:30] and someone kindly posted on that page how to determine the date in UTC :) [06:31] $ date -u [06:31] :) [06:31] yeah, I fired my fx and it showed that information :9 [06:31] thanks anyway [06:31] :) [06:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList - I updated that one last night (4-5 hours ago) [06:31] cool [06:31] i'll browse it later :) [06:31] check out ubuntux.org [06:32] and we discussed about the structure of /Artwork [06:32] cool [06:32] you should check the log as you don't hang on IRC 24/7 [06:32] and give your opinions [06:32] i know the guy from ubuntux.org - Friedrich - and he's asked me to write about Ubuntu a wee bt [06:32] *bit [06:33] tought after the meeting we might update the world on the happenings of the Ubuntu Art Team :) [06:33] s/tough/thought [06:34] I thought we could that beforehand [06:34] hehe [06:34] so are you up for that? [06:35] interested in writing a cooperative article for him? [06:35] updating the happenings of the art team as a direct result of that meeting :) [06:35] sorry, to whom? [06:35] oh [06:35] friedrich... sorry, I guess I wasn't paying attention there [06:36] well? [06:36] what sort of article? I'm interested although my grammar might not be fluent enough :) [06:37] that's what i'm there for [06:37] basically we write in article format what's been happening with Ubuntu, art wise [06:37] and talk about what we discussed in the meeting [06:38] and he seems to be very interested about the posibility of a Ubuntu/Kubuntu art package for universe [06:38] oh, so bits of history, eh? [06:38] volvoguy should be involved [06:39] yea [06:39] i can mail volvoguy about this [06:39] at least the article [06:39] actually [06:39] i'll mail him too about the meeting [06:39] http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-artwork-2005-12-26.html [06:39] i'm not sure he is aware of it [06:39] take a look at the end section [06:39] klepas: he is, he gave his vote [06:39] http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-artwork-current.html [06:40] mhz and I discussed about the structure [06:40] nice [06:40] to be completely honest, I'm not that wiki crazed [06:40] any ideas and improvements are more than welcome [06:40] i mean if there is someone else who is more interested in doing it/editing it i am happy to let them have their fun [06:41] and i don't particularly mind about the structure [06:41] sure, but at least tell us what you think [06:41] what you proposed the first time I was quite content with [06:41] I do, as it is currently unacceptable [06:42] if the information is hidden somewhere, we won't get new artworkers. let's provide a clear picture of what's happening with artwork and how to help [06:42] agreed [06:42] i am more interested in fixing AUC [06:42] because right now it is a pain to maintain [06:43] I actually added something concerning AUC to TodoList last night [06:43] and the Ubuntu/Kubuntu art packages for unierse [06:43] lovely [06:43] i'll browse it [06:43] yeah, and while you're at it, edit if needed [06:44] yea [06:44] actually [06:44] got a lot of things to do now [06:44] i want to read those two logs [06:44] sure, take your time [06:44] skim a cooperative article i am writing along with a whole bunch of others on libervis.com [06:44] it's not we would do it now [06:44] and then check that todolist [06:44] ;) [06:44] I just got to work, now I'm checking my mails and IRCing [06:45] :) [06:45] slept 3 hours... terrible [06:45] same [06:45] but then i went back to bed for another 3 :) [06:45] now don't tell me about it! :D [06:46] i guess though they don't let you sleep at work, eh? :P [06:46] been there done that [06:46] ^_~ [06:46] hey megabyte405 and robertl [06:47] Tm_T: ping [06:49] should we spread the word about meeting on ubuntuforums? [06:49] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1940 [06:50] well at least ubuntuforums now has a proper link :) [06:53] yea [06:53] saw that [06:53] i've got an account on ubuntuforums [06:53] though i'm not overly keen on forums with a massive diversity of people [06:53] now don't we all have at least one? ;p [06:55] no, seriously. ubuntuforums is mostly for screenshots although bvc is attending there [06:55] yea [06:55] I just have had bad experiences in the past with forums [06:55] when they get too diverse you get a lot of different opinions [06:56] and chances are people with thin nerves, bad days and aggressive behaviour will be present [06:56] :) [06:56] which can ruin the atmosphere quite quickly [06:56] that's usually about the time i leave [06:56] well if it gets too dirty, just /kick [06:57] like personal insults without proper arguements and things like that [06:57] yea [06:57] but it's bound to happen again [06:57] and i'm not usually a forum admin at that point [07:02] ack [07:02] that fitz.sf.net project [07:02] not my cup of tea :) [07:03] why not? [07:03] too ugly :P [07:03] i mean... my icewm theme is as far as i go :P [07:04] oh you meant the deco [07:04] I didn't like it either [07:04] ah, lol [07:04] I just wanted to get one element off from konqueror so it wouldn't be too crowded [07:05] as I don't use menus that often, mostly shortcuts. and if I have to use menus, they're still there [07:05] i have all toolbars for all konqueror profiles [07:05] i want my power :) [07:15] got another person to join in on the meeting [07:15] :) [07:15] who? [07:15] there are probably going to me more people not on the art team present than there are of us [07:15] Karin Purser from Linux Australia [07:16] oh yeah, I spoke with her [07:16] he visited here some time ago [07:16] you did? [07:16] she? [07:16] he? eh? [07:16] She [07:16] Karin Purser [07:16] :) [07:16] of course, my mistake :o [07:17] so what did she say? [07:17] just wanted to have a chat with you [07:17] but you were offline [07:18] yea [07:18] i know what she was after :P [07:19] she wanted some help about apps [07:19] graphic apps [07:19] :) [07:19] inkscape/gimp? I could use some help as well :) [07:19] serious? [07:21] http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20051223114511873 [07:21] serious help? sure, why not :) [07:21] mp3 support OOB with gstreamer 0.10... can't wait for dapper [07:21] no, wait... I'm running dapper [07:22] so what are you after for inkscape/gimp [07:23] I should spent more time with those applications [07:23] yep [07:24] :) [07:24] brb [07:24] I find myself searching for options and tools, then I'm browsing the help file and after that googling... [07:24] gonna grab a coffee [07:30] aMSN with webcam support... whatta ya know === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:59] arts made X die [07:59] grr [08:00] why not just have screen and irssi combination? :p [08:00] brb [08:01] screen and irssi combination? [08:12] or some bouncer [08:13] just have a stable server and set irssi or bouncer there, then connect using ssh (text-based) or ssl secured connection (GUI, no need to change your fav IRC software) [08:14] run irssi in screen, that way X won't crash your IRC connection :o [08:17] https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=313&application=firefox - https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=1342&application=firefox [08:18] does the latter one work on your distro? [08:21] no idea [08:21] should i try? [08:21] why not :9 [08:21] remember i suse konqueror the most :P [08:21] I'm on XP now :( [08:24] ah, rightio [08:24] http://albin.abo.fi/~jkniivil/junk/hmm.png [08:25] it works [08:25] but i don't like it [08:25] oh, ok. thanks for confirming === klepas is now known as klep[a] s === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Topic for #ubuntu-artwork: Art Team meeting soon! Please place your vote on an applicable time slot now [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamMeetings] to make this meeting happen. Merry Christmas everyone! :) === Topic (#ubuntu-artwork): set by klepas at Sun Dec 25 15:37:53 2005 === lukacu [n=lukacu@cpe-212-18-59-221.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klep[a] s is now known as klepas === klepas is now known as klepa[s] === omeg [n=omega@h8441190238.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:52] hey, I have just sent an email inviting xubuntu-devel ML [12:53] hi mhz [12:53] lukacu: moin [12:54] BTW, i am using XFCE and ... it kind of looks decent but I don't see all tools to tweak winsow colors not menus :( [12:54] i think we will have more people that are not members of the team at the meeting than those who are :) [12:56] indeed [12:56] and this team should be created in LaunchPad === mhz still feels uncomfortable with LP being propietary [12:57] :) ... yeah, i know that feeling === mhz sighs [12:59] lukacu: what if we just don't use LP? [12:59] would that be too bad? === mhz is even considering resigning to his LP team memberships and admin groups [01:00] well ... i dont use it ... ive seen it like 3 times and thats all [01:00] :) [01:02] on second thoughts... why do I have to have a LP account (based on non-free software) to collaborate and edit 'freedom' as in a wiki scenario? === mhz is complaining at #launchpad [01:04] lol ... it really bugs you doesnt it? [01:05] YES! [01:06] if it were 'optional' for people like me or you who don't make money out of their contributions, it would be lots different [01:06] mhz: a tehnical question... can i just apt-get xfce in ubuntu and then change session at login? [01:06] but since we are forced to have an account to access the chance to contribute... that's a diff story [01:06] yup [01:07] lukacu: I have almost all desktops here :) [01:07] ok ... i am tired of gnome ... must try out something more lightweight [01:08] mhz: xfce4 ? [01:11] xubuntu-desktop [01:11] thanks artnay [01:12] mhz: so is it possible to have a link to recent changes of *Artwork* pages? [01:12] we don't have much time left [01:12] we should renew wiki pages before the meeting [01:14] im afraid i can not help much ... i must study :( === klepa[s] is now known as klepas [01:15] exams soon after new year :( [01:15] hey guys [01:15] :) [01:15] oh, what sort of exams? [01:15] hello klepas [01:15] ping klepas [01:15] what's happening? [01:16] artnay: well i study computer science so that kind of exams ;) [01:16] lukacu: circuits? networks? are you speacialized in something already? [01:17] no ... my specialization is computer software ... but the big exam is economics :) [01:18] hehe, well have fun with that one ;p [01:18] artnay: was your idea (the one I nvever got last night) to have WikiPages/WikiSubPages ? [01:18] mhz: yes [01:19] mhz: read the log if you missed something [01:19] and if I didn't make myself clear, just ask :) === trevorv [n=trevorv@81-178-255-160.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:22] hi trevorv [01:22] hullo :) [01:23] I suppose you are one of the notorious Xubuntu users ;) [01:23] read the post on ML? [01:25] i am, and very much a user rather than developer at the moment! its changing though. just read the post, and thought id join the channel, although my gimp and inkscape skills are pretty primitive [01:26] that really doesn't matter in this point. anyways, take a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal [01:27] welcome trevorv [01:27] thanks klepas [01:28] you are aware of a meeting taking place at 2300 hundred hours, UTC, this thursday? [01:29] klepas: we should probably build /UbuntuArtwork to be an example [01:30] klepas, i am, ill try and be there if i can [01:31] artnay: this log is not being kept in URL log, afaik [01:31] artnay: however, I did read your changes in wiki [01:32] guys [01:32] and I have to say, subpages are TOO dangerous for a wiki [01:32] Andy Fitz will be missing out [01:32] just talking to him now === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:32] why build /UbuntuArtwork? it should be an example to other teams, how to build /*buntuArtwork [01:32] hi AndyFitz [01:32] mhz: read the log that ubuntulog is gathering [01:33] mhz: I know, therefore we should find some sort of balance [01:33] g'day [01:33] hello [01:33] not able to make the thursday meeting. so I thought id get in now... [01:33] hehe, any news? [01:33] the points I wanted to raise are: tango icons and visual metaphors are the best contribution outside of calendar wallpapers and boot/ gtm logins that we can make [01:34] the reason being is that I'm still not 100% that my method will work ( its working so far but the best direction for energy would be to help the tango projects contributions (almost alll good vector illustrations are easily re-stylable ) [01:34] AndyFitz: why? have you heard some news? [01:35] also the visual metaphors are damn important [01:35] they are the more controversial part of icons [01:35] so even thinking about them is a great contribution [01:35] what about metacity? sound effects? screensavers? [01:36] tango is a good project and is building a technical implementation that makes naming icons more sense. so if you don't have illustrative skills a great way to help is to look at their specs and describe a good illustration as best and simply as you can [01:37] isn't it freedesktop naming scheme? or was tango project the first one to propose it? [01:37] artnay. metacity grocking is a good thing to play with but I have no idea where it will go [01:37] I thought they were the first one to implement it [01:37] AndyFitz: i think you're right here however there are other very important other 'projects' as well, such as a universe ubuntu/kubuntu art package :) [01:37] klepas right, so I'm going to hopefully have some great train reading material from the meeting logs ;-) [01:37] so re-directing any people wanting to work on icons to the Tango project for now sounds good [01:38] yep [01:38] AndyFitz: we can talk more about it at LCA [01:38] where i also hope to pick up a few Inkscaping tips, btw :) [01:38] AndyFitz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList - there's a list of projects that should be taken into account [01:39] klepas. yes because no efforts get wasted. if concepts are not good enough for tango. they are good enough for OCAL .. if they are not good enough for OCAL they are good enough to self-host ( the great thing about art is once a human touches a canvas of any kind it is likely to end up useful to someone else ) [01:40] if licensed appropriately, yep [01:40] btw, OCAL? [01:40] artnay yep. that document has been in my bookmarks :) please use it as closely to the agenda as possible [01:40] klepas: pong [01:40] klepas openclipart.org [01:40] the catch there is its not CC-sharealike its public domain [01:41] artnay: what? [01:43] Tm_T: remember when we spoke of moving the the menu bar into windec (sort of OS X style, but that way it wouldn't take extra space outside of the window) [01:43] that's of no worries to me [01:43] artnay: aah, I'll check that [01:44] artnay: ah yes, have seen those earlier, there's multiple windecos like that :) [01:45] brb === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] [01:47] guys I've got to head. going to byron bay early tomorrow morning to meet girlfriends parents ( cannot be a zombie ). take care and I'm sorry for my crappy attendance [01:47] could anyone recommend me a good starting point for learning how to modify gtk themes? i want to have a play around with some colours [01:47] hehe, don't worry and have where ever you're heading. bye! [01:47] bye AndyFitz [01:48] seeya artnay, trevorv, klepas, all === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [01:48] trevorv: does gnome.org offer any documentation? [01:48] I've found the documentation to be lacking on some projects [01:49] im just having a look there now, i presume it would be exactly the same for gnome and Xfce? [01:49] well they both use gtk [01:49] I have a gnome wiki url for GTK === Tm_T is wondering why klepas pinged him [01:50] now did you pong? [01:50] :) [01:50] yes [01:50] aah, i have found a tutorial on gnome.org :) [01:50] artnay: 1440 [01:51] im off for lunch, ill be back in a while [01:51] I'm leaving as well [01:51] later! [01:54] aye [01:56] Tm_T: just wanted to know whether you're around [01:56] i also needs some help, after the art meeting :) [01:56] trevorv: enjoy lunch [01:59] klepas: ok, I've been away from home now over a week [02:00] and will be couple days, I'm available again in next year :) [02:08] lovely [02:08] well as you might have heard [02:08] we have been given the ok by ogra to make an Ubuntu art package for the universe repositories [02:08] and i've been approached by kubuntu users requesting one for Kubuntu as well (this KDE) [02:14] KDE <3 [02:14] hey, I'm Kubuntu user ;) [02:14] Tm_T: i use KDE predominately in the momeny [02:15] so i am keen on both of these possible packages [02:15] i just need some help [02:15] we can use already existing art, and in some cases we certainly will [02:15] actually, I already do have some backgrounds to Kubuntu, just if I can transfer those to svg or some other proper file format [02:15] because there is some really great work on GNOME and KDE -look.org [02:15]