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[12:08] <floam> has anyone here gotten a serial ata plextor drive to work with via chipsets? I've got a bugzilla bug proceeding as normally but I'm curious if it's actually supposed to work at all in dapper
[12:08] <floam> s/drive/dvd drive/
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[01:26] <qwert1> hi
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[03:16] <desrt> psusi; i found a fix for the fglrx problems if you're interested
[03:17] <desrt> linked to in 20587.  please test and share your results in that bug.
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[03:25] <hub> hey desrt 
[03:25] <desrt> hello hubert
[03:25] <desrt> Xgl is fun :)
[03:26] <desrt> nice + fast but has some odd errors with transparency
[03:29] <hub> desrt: the closed development from SuSE?
[03:30] <desrt> ?
[03:30] <hub> desrt: s/SuSE/Novell/
[03:31] <desrt> i'm confused
[03:31] <desrt> xgl is a fdoism, not a novellism
[03:31] <hub> ah
[03:31] <desrt> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xgl
[03:31] <desrt> this one
[03:32] <hub> because there have a been some sort of disagreement
[03:32] <hub> desrt: hold, I'll give you some links
[03:32] <desrt> ya.  i have no idea what's going on either
[03:32] <hub> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-more-on-xgl.html
[03:32] <desrt> between xegl, xgl, in-kernel gl support, xrender, cairo, glitz, ...
[03:32] <desrt> so many different bits of the picture and nobody seems to know how they are going to fit together
[03:33] <hub> desrt: in short Novell hired a few Xgl hackers and decided to work behind closed doors, making the other people working on this on thei own
[03:33] <desrt> weird
[03:33] <desrt> i'm gonna read a bit.  hold on.
[03:33] <hub> desrt: and KDE hackers like Aaron Seigo started ranting and raving about that
[03:34] <hub> desrt: look at the recent desktop_architect list
[03:34] <hub> a bit like Gtk MacOS X
[03:37] <desrt> so
[03:37] <desrt> novell is trying to keep this all to themselves for (i guess) 2 reasons
[03:38] <desrt> 1) they maintain complete control over it throughout its incubation period and when they release it to the world it will be mature enough that nobody will really have any chance to influence it
[03:38] <desrt> 2) they'll get to have it integrated into NLD first and everyone else will lag a release cycle or two
[03:40] <desrt> this makes a lot of sense
[03:46] <hub> crap
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[03:46] <hub> network manager does not react to my wireless card
[03:46] <hub> the PCCard one
[03:46] <hub> not the atheros shite
[03:48] <desrt> heh.  google for 'desktop_architects list' gets linus
[03:48] <hub> same list
[03:48] <hub> @osdl
[03:48] <desrt> nod.
[03:48] <desrt> i'm there
[03:48] <desrt> this is very high traffic
[03:48] <hub> not lately
[03:49] <hub> it has been for a few days
[03:49] <hub> with Linus troll
[03:52] <desrt> you saw nat's reply?
[03:52] <hub> sure I did
[03:53] <hub> I'm subscribed to the list
[03:53] <desrt> the way he presents it it's more like someone went off and worked on their own and is in the process of getting his changes ready to merge
[03:53] <hub> my boss even asked my why I didn't post using my work address
[03:54] <Burglaptop> hub: you work for Xandros now?
[03:54] <hub> yeah
[03:54] <hub> that the only job I got an offer for
[03:54] <hub> that's why I moved
[03:54] <Burglaptop> what do you do there?'
[03:54] <desrt> it's because everyone else heard you're french
[03:55] <hub> Burglaptop: software developer
[03:55] <hub> on their proprietary server product
[03:55] <desrt> that seems like a strange fit
[03:55] <hub> in Qt
[03:56] <desrt> even more strange :)
[03:56] <hub> desrt: well, could be worse. I could write C# on Windows
[03:56] <Burglaptop> true. I sell a FC4 based product
[03:56] <hub> at least it is a Linux job
[03:56] <Burglaptop> hub: feel the same way
[03:57] <hub> that's why I installed Ubuntu on my laptop :-)
[03:57] <hub> :-)
[03:57] <hub> (I paid for it)
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[05:47] <psusi> desrt, which fglrx problem?
[06:08] <desrt> psusi; were you not the person in here about a week ago annoying the hell out of everyone about how your videocard wasn't working? :p
[06:10] <psusi> hehe... daniels told me it could be done without ATI's damned drivers using the mesa ones instead ;)
[06:12] <psusi> right now I'm working on getting hal and gnome-volume-manager to auto mount a packet write mode cdrw correctly... finally managed to mess with the hal config files to get the drive to auto mount read/write, but now I can't figure out why it doesn't show up on the desktop
[06:12] <psusi> even though it is mounted under /media
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[06:47] <MasterTsunami> is there supposed to be a bittorrent tracker running by default in dapper?
[06:48] <crimsun> probably something overlooked, though it does only listen on localhost
[06:48] <MasterTsunami> yeah that i noticed as well
[06:48] <MasterTsunami> still, i would think most users would want a client only, and not the tracker
[06:48] <MasterTsunami> perhaps i should file a bug?
[06:49] <Burglaptop> MasterTsunami: raise it on ubuntu-devel mailing list
[06:49] <psusi> I swear I've seen that brought up before... maybe it was on the dapper forums not the mailing list...
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[06:50] <MasterTsunami> i wouldnt have noticed it had i not restarted my laptop and saw "Shutting down bittorrentTracker"
[06:50] <MasterTsunami> and then my eyes went O_O
[06:54] <MasterTsunami> i have to say though, xorg7 is fasssst :D
[06:54] <Burglaptop> MasterTsunami: are you going to post to ubuntu devel or should I?
[06:55] <MasterTsunami> In the forums?
[06:55] <psusi> xorg7 likes to hard lock when I /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:56] <MasterTsunami> I'll post Burglaptop ;D
[06:56] <Burglaptop> MasterTsunami: cheers, ok
[06:58] <MasterTsunami> fglrx is kinda funky with xorg7 too; doesn't like to shutdown :/
[06:58] <psusi> also it seems that xorg7 thinks that the forward/back ( far left/far right ) buttons on microsoft intellimice are mouse buttons 8 and 9 instead of 6 and 7... few others complaining about it on the forums
[06:59] <MasterTsunami> well, i've never gotten the mouse numbering; there just seems to be too much variance by distribution, mouse, etc.
[06:59] <psusi> I don't get why it would change from release to release
[06:59] <psusi> the thing only HAS 7 buttons... even says so in xorg.conf... so why on earth does xorg think I'm pressing buttons 8 and 9?  heh
[07:02] <MasterTsunami> lol
[07:02] <psusi> oh well, a little xmodmap trickery fixes it... 
[07:04] <Burglaptop> psusi: you filed a bug? This is also not a support channel
[07:05] <psusi> Burglaptop, going to tomorrow if someone else hasn't already...
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[07:13] <psusi> there... bugs away!
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[07:16] <smallfoot> guys help me!
[07:16] <smallfoot> crimsun has ban me from channels!
[07:16] <crimsun> smallfoot: you're being a nuisance (trolling) in these channels, and you've been muzzled.
[07:17] <smallfoot> muzzled fo shizzle mah nizzle?
[07:17] <smallfoot> lololol
[07:17] <smallfoot> cmon unban me!
[07:18] <smallfoot> fo sheezy ya sleezy
[07:19] <smallfoot> im snoop-doggy muzzled
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[07:19] <smallfoot> ok
[07:19] <smallfoot> i surrender
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[07:19] <crimsun> thanks, fabbione :)
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[07:20] <fabbione> np
[07:20] <jsgotangco> :D
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[07:58] <method> Hi. Should I mention an annoying bug in Dapper here, or just register it?
[07:58] <Burglaptop> method: just file it
[07:58] <method> Burglaptop, will do.
[07:58] <Burglaptop> method: unless you think it needs a great deal of dicussion regarding the solution
[07:59] <method> No, I thought it might be trivial.
[07:59] <method> But annoying.
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 2 released
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[10:41] <Treenaks> jdub: http://muttscomics.com/art/images/daily/121305.gif
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[11:02] <tuhl> as far I have seen dbus migration is completed
[11:02] <tuhl> when will we get the new gnome packages?
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[02:24] <zakame> evening devs :)
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[03:25] <tepsipakki> how come there is no libnspr4_1.7.12-1ubuntu2 for i386, only for amd64?
[03:25] <tepsipakki> mozilla isn't installable because of this (dapper)
[03:26] <zakame> hm, 'coz it's not built yet? lemme check the buildLogs
[03:26] <tepsipakki> it's old..
[03:27] <tepsipakki> amd64-version built a month ago ;)
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[03:28] <zakame> hm other reasons then ;)
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[05:02] <tuhl> hi - when will we see the new dbus 0.6 GNOME packages?
[05:03] <jsgotangco> its being done 
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[05:04] <ogra_ibook> already there
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[05:08] <tuhl> ok thanks
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[05:47] <tuhl> after an update to the latest package in depper my applicaiotn menu does not contain any entries
[05:47] <ogra> killall gam_server
[05:48] <tuhl> it only blinks very short with displaying all entries and contains no entry after taht
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[05:49] <ogra> tuhl, try the above command
[05:49] <tuhl> ogra: now it works
[05:50] <tuhl> what is the reason for that? wrong starting order?
[05:50] <tuhl> gnome-power manager crashes aswell
[05:50] <ogra> nope, its a bug in gamin
[05:51] <ogra> will be fixed eventually during dapper development
[05:51] <ogra> the fun of a devel release :)
[05:51] <tuhl> what about gnome-power-manager?
[05:51] <Lathiat> might be a dbus thing?
[05:52] <Lathiat> hrm no 0.6 yet, maybe not
[05:52] <tuhl> cupsd does not start anymore aswell
[05:53] <ogra> g-p-m is running flawlwee on my amd64 lappie and the ibook i have ... whats your issue ? 
[05:53] <tuhl> The Application "gnome-power-manager" has quit unexpectedly.
[05:54] <Lathiat> try starting it on a konsole and see what kind of messages it spits out
[05:55] <ogra> or start it in a termial if you dont use the k prefixed apps :P
[05:55] <tuhl>  gnome-power-manager
[05:55] <tuhl> /usr/bin/gnome-power-manager(5836): libnotify: Error connecting to session bus: Unable to determine the address of the message bus
[05:55] <tuhl> ** ERROR **: Cannot initialise libnotify!
[05:55] <tuhl> aborting...
[05:56] <ogra> your libinotify is outdated or your g-p-m binary isnt up to date ...
[05:56] <Lathiat> ogra: hahaha
[05:56] <Lathiat> i said konsole without thinking about it
[05:56] <Lathiat> signs im truely lost ;p
[05:56] <ogra> heh
[05:57] <ogra> tuhl, it should work fine with all apps up to date, look whats outdated
[05:58] <tuhl> g-p-m is 0.1.2-2
[05:59] <tuhl> libnotofy 0.2.2-1ubuntu1
[06:00] <tuhl> no further updates available vi snaptic
[06:00] <tuhl> synaptic
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[06:04] <tuhl> ogra: any ideas?
[06:04] <ogra> not really 
[06:05] <ogra> as i said, its all running fine here
[06:05] <tuhl> what might be wrong with cupssys?
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[06:51] <Robot101> meh
[06:52] <Robot101> I got udev from breezy, it made me devices in /dev/dvb/ once
[06:52] <Robot101> s/breezy/dapper/
[06:52] <Robot101> now it only makes the /dev/dvb0.dvr0 ones
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[07:00] <sivang> hi Robot101 
[07:01] <Robot101> hola
[07:02] <sivang> Robot101: Hola! :-) Can I ask you something on #dbus?
[07:02] <Robot101> sure
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[08:40] <zyga> evening :)
[08:44] <sivang> evening zyga 
[08:50] <floam> BenC: should I bother reporting my unsuccess with sata_via's ATAPI support upstream?
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[09:20] <BenC> floam: yeah
[09:37] <floam> BenC: ok
[09:37] <floam> I was sort of hoping it was something Ubuntu was doing wrong, but it seems not so now
[09:38] <floam> googling shows people on SuSE, Gentoo with the same thing on sata_via
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[11:27] <\sh> Burgwork: no problem with wine
[11:27] <\sh> brb
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