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| jsgotangco | hey Burglaptop | 01:13 |
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| mdke | that's a pretty active page i think | 01:13 |
| mdke | hello jerome | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 01:14 |
| jsgotangco | happy holidays! (if not too late) | 01:14 |
| mdke | same to you :) | 01:14 |
| jsgotangco | i did some doc updates but havent uploaded yet | 01:15 |
| mdke | cool, why not upload? | 01:15 |
| jsgotangco | i forgot my laptop | 01:15 |
| mdke | ah | 01:16 |
| mdke | which docs? | 01:16 |
| jsgotangco | kubuntu and server | 01:16 |
| mdke | oh wow | 01:16 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: it is pretty active, but a lot of the informatin is already known | 01:16 |
| mdke | Burglaptop, known or fixed? | 01:16 |
| Burglaptop | known, with LP specs to talk about each issue | 01:16 |
| jsgotangco | but theres no activity in svn at all, so i'll just upload when i get my laptop tommorow at my in laws | 01:17 |
| mdke | i guess you can note that, if you wish | 01:17 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, sounds good | 01:17 |
| Burglaptop | ugh, I will just leave it for now | 01:17 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: do you have any objections if i nuke the various Koffice pages that have no useful help content on them? | 01:27 |
| jsgotangco | who uses KOffice anyways | 01:28 |
| Burglaptop | right, they shall die | 01:28 |
| Burglaptop | spanish? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartLinkModemDriverHowto?highlight=%28CategoryCleanup%29 | 01:41 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: ^ | 01:45 |
| mdke | why would you delete spanish pages? | 01:45 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 01:46 |
| mdke | my spanish is very poor, but the page looks good to me | 01:46 |
| Burglaptop | I don't want to delete it | 01:47 |
| Burglaptop | I want to move it to -ES or something similar | 01:47 |
| mdke | my spanish isn't good enough to improve it | 01:47 |
| mdke | will you move all the spanish docs? | 01:48 |
| Burglaptop | no, just that one because it is an english namespace | 01:48 |
| mdke | the others seem to have "COMO" after them | 01:49 |
| mdke | i guess you could add that | 01:49 |
| mdke | ubuntu-es.org has a lot of documentation on there | 01:50 |
| mdke | you could ask them to migrate it i guess | 01:50 |
| mdke | gah, where is the mp3 help on the wiki?? | 01:58 |
| Madpilot | mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats | 01:59 |
| mdke | Madpilot, nope | 01:59 |
| mdke | at least, I don't see it | 01:59 |
| Madpilot | that's the only mp3 page I know of... | 01:59 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-98f0945855102afe97a542ae07168f3ddcc61124 | 02:00 |
| mdke | ah ok, no separate section | 02:00 |
| mdke | i found this tho, which is what I was looking for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CDRipping | 02:00 |
| Madpilot | no, it's lumped in with the rest of the non-free stuff | 02:00 |
| mdke | i think mp3 needs an entry in the TOC on RestrictedFormats, that was too hard to find :( | 02:01 |
| mdke | especially since the page "mp3" links there | 02:01 |
| mdke | links/redirects* | 02:01 |
| Madpilot | you want to do it, or should I? | 02:01 |
| mdke | i'll do it, sure | 02:03 |
| mdke | man that TOC is long and ugly :) | 02:11 |
| mdke | prime candidate for subpages :) | 02:12 |
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| mdke | heya rob1 | 02:14 |
| rob1 | hi mdke | 02:14 |
| mdke | good christmas? | 02:15 |
| rob1 | yeah, still tired | 02:15 |
| rob1 | how about yourself? | 02:15 |
| mdke | good thanks | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | i slept all day myself yesterday | 02:28 |
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| mdke | hmm, the FAQ resources suck quite a lot | 02:53 |
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| Burglaptop | mdke: yes, they do | 03:18 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: I almost wonder if we should redirect ' | 03:18 |
| Burglaptop | FAQ to UserDoc | 03:18 |
| Burglaptop | what does everybody think of having all WindowsPrograms as a subpage of WindowsPrograms? | 03:52 |
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| Madpilot | huh? all who as a subpage of what? | 03:56 |
| Burglaptop | move things like WorldofWarcraft to under WindowsPrograms | 04:01 |
| Madpilot | why? | 04:02 |
| Madpilot | we know they're windows apps, but wine & linux are the point, not Windows, right? | 04:02 |
| Burglaptop | put them under Wine then? | 04:02 |
| Madpilot | why move them at all? | 04:03 |
| Burglaptop | because they all require Wine or Cedega | 04:03 |
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| jsgotangco | Burglaptop, ping? | 04:28 |
| Madpilot | he was here about half an hour ago, jsgotangco | 04:31 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 04:31 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: yep? | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | heh he's still online im pretty sure, wiki updates are still happening | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | see? | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | Burglaptop, do you know Mark Johnson, Debian upstream | 04:33 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: for which package? | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | Docbook | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | he sent email to Jane a few weeks ago inquiring about doc work, but he hinted at compensation | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | i told jane we're volunteers | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 04:35 |
| Burglaptop | nope, never heard of him | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | so jane told mark to contact us | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | (Janew) | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | well anyways, i invited him over he could probably help out on the technical aspects (that we're not very familiar with) | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | i told him not to expect much, we're mostly writers not xml hackers anyways | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | (fyi guys) | 04:37 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: did you have any thoughts about moving Windows stuff under Wine? | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | so that you can save the namespace? | 04:42 |
| Burglaptop | yes, and to clearly identify them | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | seems ok but not all windows stuff are wine related | 04:42 |
| Burglaptop | whatever, I will leave them for now | 04:43 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: can you try moving WorldofWarcraftHowto to WorldofWarcraft ? | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | hold on | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | why not just rename the page? | 04:44 |
| Burglaptop | I did, it fails | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | well i created a new page | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | purge the Howto? | 04:45 |
| Burglaptop | hmm? | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | purge WorldofWarcraftHowto ? | 04:46 |
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| Burglaptop | how do I do that? | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | ummm | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | More Actions - delete page ? | 04:48 |
| Burglaptop | I created and deleted WorldofWarcraft to try and clear that | 04:49 |
| Burglaptop | I suspect that it is a bug in Moin | 04:49 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:49 |
| Burglaptop | a bloody hell, it has already been moved | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | yay we still have pitti's christmas gift on locales and apt dumbness | 04:51 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: there is a workaround | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | how? | 04:52 |
| Burglaptop | remove locales | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | the deb won't install | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | hmm? | 04:52 |
| Burglaptop | reinstall the old 2.3.6 one | 04:52 |
| Burglaptop | upgrade to the 2.3.7 version | 04:52 |
| Burglaptop | then reinstall your locales | 04:52 |
| Burglaptop | that is what pitti was trying to say in the email | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | how crackful is that? | 04:52 |
| Burglaptop | not | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 04:53 |
| Burglaptop | well, the wine stuff is pretty well in hand now | 04:53 |
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| Burglaptop | well, that is first time I have blogged about doc work in ages | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | you blogged about the wiki tsunami you caused this weekend? | 05:16 |
| Burglaptop | yep | 05:17 |
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| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: what do you think about redirecting FAQ to UserDocumentation | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | FAQ is hardly formal documentation | 06:03 |
| Burglaptop | but the information in it is very outdated | 06:03 |
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| Burglaptop | FAQ has now been moved on to the website | 06:07 |
| Burglaptop | s/website/wii | 06:07 |
| Burglaptop | wiki, even | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | most of it are still in zope methinks | 06:07 |
| Burglaptop | not the faq | 06:09 |
| Burglaptop | some of us should have edit privs on the website | 06:09 |
| jsgotangco | i have edit privs on art.ubuntu.com but its hardly usable at the moment | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | upading the submitted artwork is cumbersome for starters | 06:11 |
| jsgotangco | bloody hell kubuntu flight 2 networking is borked | 06:12 |
| Burglaptop | kde is pretty borked right now | 06:15 |
| jsgotangco | *sigh* | 06:15 |
| crimsun | how is it borked? | 06:16 |
| Burglaptop | it is kde *grin* | 06:16 |
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| Burglaptop | I understand there are some migration issues with recent changes | 06:17 |
| Burglaptop | gstreamer, etc. | 06:17 |
| jsgotangco | i like katapult though | 06:20 |
| jsgotangco | Burglaptop, i remove locales? | 06:24 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: yes | 06:25 |
| jsgotangco | specifically? | 06:26 |
| Burglaptop | apt-get remove locales | 06:27 |
| jsgotangco | and next i install? | 06:29 |
| Burglaptop | install the old version of locales off the flight 2 cd | 06:29 |
| Burglaptop | then upgrade the locales package | 06:29 |
| Burglaptop | then use the language selector gui to reinstall the language packs | 06:29 |
| Burglaptop | and use it to set you default locale | 06:30 |
| jsgotangco | hmm so this is an apt issue right? not locales specifically | 06:30 |
| Burglaptop | there might be a bug in the locales package as well | 06:33 |
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| jsgotangco | Burglaptop, ping? | 08:08 |
| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: pong | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | have you tried http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ch02.html | 08:15 |
| Burglaptop | nope | 08:16 |
| Burglaptop | do you think this wording a little strong? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion | 08:16 |
| Burglaptop | the top note | 08:16 |
| jsgotangco | heh if it breaks stuff why install it in the first place | 08:18 |
| Burglaptop | some will demand the latest crack | 08:18 |
| Madpilot | ...because it's new and shiny! | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | bah | 08:18 |
| robitaille | the top note is a bit strong, but that wiki page does some intrusive stuff to someone setup... | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | its like buying the first batch of broken xbox units | 08:19 |
| Burglaptop | anyway, I am rebooting for a bootchart | 08:20 |
| Burglaptop | brb | 08:20 |
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| Burglaptop | hmm, 42 secs | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | average | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | mine is similar | 08:26 |
| Burglaptop | wonder if a 686 kernel would shave any tiome off | 08:26 |
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| Belutz | jdub, are you there? | 08:49 |
| jsgotangco | hey Belutz | 08:49 |
| Belutz | hi jsgotangco :D | 08:49 |
| Belutz | how are you? | 08:49 |
| jsgotangco | not bad what's up | 08:49 |
| Belutz | i'm still in sydney | 08:50 |
| Belutz | i'm coming home tommorow | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | oh did you meet jdub at least? | 08:50 |
| Belutz | no :( | 08:51 |
| Belutz | i don't bring my laptop | 08:51 |
| jsgotangco | why did you spend christmas in sydney? | 08:51 |
| Belutz | because i didn't plan to stay this long | 08:51 |
| Belutz | because my friend's parents ask me to extend my stay in sydney | 08:51 |
| robitaille | Belutz, jdub has been irc idle for the last 92 hours. | 08:52 |
| robitaille | I suspect he is not around | 08:52 |
| Belutz | i see | 08:53 |
| jsgotangco | why? | 08:53 |
| Belutz | this is my last day in sydney, i thought i could meet him | 08:53 |
| Belutz | why? hmm no reason :D | 08:54 |
| jsgotangco | i have his number but i don't like giving out numbers he might not like it even | 08:54 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco: http://belutz.blogspot.com | 08:54 |
| jsgotangco | he's probably out of town as well | 08:54 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, that's ok :) | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | hmm lifeless is in sydney i think | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | or maybe not | 08:55 |
| Belutz | i like sydney... | 08:55 |
| Belutz | :D | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt know you studied at wollongong | 08:56 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, i studied in jakarta, but it's an overseas programme | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | ahh right | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | but you still have a degree from UoW right? | 08:57 |
| Belutz | yup | 08:57 |
| jsgotangco | maybe i should consider a homestudy for grad school | 08:57 |
| Belutz | i'm an alumni from UoW | 08:57 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, yeah, maybe i'm going to apply for some scholarship | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i'll shop around i'm going back to brisbane in 2 weeks after the new year | 08:58 |
| Belutz | waaa... you're going to brisbane? | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | it should have been a few weeks ago but i decided to move it next year | 09:00 |
| Belutz | i see | 09:00 |
| Belutz | for work? | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 09:00 |
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| Belutz | :D | 09:01 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, maybe ask about the warning to the firefox page on the forum thread, i can't see anyone complaining about that problem there | 12:59 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, but people who bork their systems may not make it tothe forums | 06:06 |
| Burgwork | holy crap, that was a commit I just saw | 06:22 |
| Burgwork | hmm | 06:59 |
| Burgwork | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9155633&forum_id=43270 | 06:59 |
| mdke | Burgwork, sure, i still think it's a good idea to ask the original author via that thread | 07:25 |
| mdke | also, I don't think people have borked their systems beyond going to the forum, because that thread has 31 pages of feedback | 07:25 |
| Burgwork | mdke, does the warning harm people | 07:36 |
| Burgwork | ? | 07:36 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, i don't know, i haven't tried the guide. I'm just suggesting you ask the author about it, it's just common courtesy | 08:03 |
| mdke | if the forum thread shows a lot of satisfied customers, it would be nice to figure out when the problem is caused, and when it isn't | 08:05 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, most of those users probably don't use some of those programs. But breaking help I consider fairly major | 08:18 |
| Burgwork | mdke, the problem is caused all the time, regardless | 08:18 |
| Burgwork | any time you upgrade FF, you must upgrade those apps or they will cease to work, period | 08:19 |
| mdke | it is a major problem if true, but I find it hard to understand why nothing appears on that thread | 08:21 |
| mdke | firefox is not upgraded anyhow, the old version is left intact iirc | 08:21 |
| Burgwork | because most of the forums people don't use those apps | 08:21 |
| mdke | ok, if you're not going to post, i'm happy to do it | 08:22 |
| Burgwork | sure, I am busy at work currently | 08:22 |
| mdke | i consider it simple courtesy | 08:22 |
| mdke | some info | 08:22 |
| mdke | where did you hear about the breakage? | 08:22 |
| mdke | -users? | 08:23 |
| Burgwork | hmm, rethinking this | 08:40 |
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| Burgwork | I think I might be wrong, as much as it pains me to admit it | 08:45 |
| mdke | you haven't seen the breakage? | 08:45 |
| Burgwork | I think to change the note at the top | 08:46 |
| Burgwork | it should say "As long as you don | 08:46 |
| Burgwork | t remove the existing copy of Firefox, .... | 08:46 |
| mdke | o.o | 08:47 |
| mdke | the guide doesn't say to remove it, afaics | 08:48 |
| Burgwork | no it doesn't, but people might think to do that anyway, because they "don | 08:48 |
| Burgwork | t need it" | 08:48 |
| Burgwork | grr, bloody enter key | 08:48 |
| mdke | a note about that would be fine yeah | 08:49 |
| Burgwork | I shall edit it | 08:50 |
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| Burgwork | i will test that on a fresh breezy install sometime this week | 08:51 |
| mdke | good idea | 08:51 |
| mdke | hello BlackDesert | 08:51 |
| mdke | :) | 08:51 |
| BlackDesert | hi everybody | 08:51 |
| BlackDesert | ;-) | 08:51 |
| Burgwork | salut BlackDesert | 08:52 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, I like your wording better | 09:17 |
| mdke | ;) | 09:17 |
| mdke | can we remove the links to the FAQs on UserDocumentation? | 09:19 |
| mdke | they suck balls | 09:19 |
| Burgwork | yep | 09:19 |
| Burgwork | I had though we should redirect FAQ to UserDocumentation | 09:19 |
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| mdke | we really need to take anything useful from the faqs and integrate em with the rest of the wiki | 09:20 |
| mdke | I'll add that to WikiToDo | 09:20 |
| Burgwork | they are mostly done. I will do some of that today | 09:20 |
| mdke | rocking | 09:21 |
| mdke | blimey | 09:27 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareManagement looks rather like a new attempt at UserDocumentation ;) | 09:27 |
| Burgwork | I really should tackle the big pages like that | 09:28 |
| mdke | i'm gonna wreak havoc on it | 09:28 |
| Burgwork | mdke, can some of us get edit rights to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view | 09:29 |
| mdke | not that I know of | 09:29 |
| Burgwork | ugh | 09:29 |
| mdke | the new website will be along soon I think | 09:29 |
| Burgwork | that badly needs updating | 09:29 |
| mdke | so that won't be a problem | 09:29 |
| mdke | i filed a bug about that yesterday tho, it really sucks | 09:29 |
| Burgwork | mdke, I was thinking about creating a category called NeedsExpansion | 09:35 |
| Burgwork | pages that don't completely explain the topic | 09:35 |
| Burgwork | as opposed to pages that are badly written | 09:36 |
| mdke | hmm not sure | 09:37 |
| mdke | maybe simple is best | 09:37 |
| mdke | Burgwork, have we got a comprehensive list of games anywhere? | 09:37 |
| mdke | there is one on that SoftwareManagement page which I'm about to remove | 09:38 |
| Burgwork | mdke, there is no Games page | 09:38 |
| Burgwork | let me create one | 09:38 |
| Burgwork | I think FAQ is ready to be redirected UserDocumentatin | 09:38 |
| mdke | ok | 09:38 |
| Burgwork | do you think I should just do it or ask for futher input? | 09:38 |
| mdke | sounds fine | 09:38 |
| mdke | I'll do the Games page | 09:39 |
| Burgwork | redirection done | 09:39 |
| Burgwork | I can add things about Wine/Cedega to the games page later | 09:40 |
| mdke | fine | 09:40 |
| mdke | it's at "Games" | 09:43 |
| Burgwork | why don't we remove the main games from the UserDocumentation page and just have a link to the Games page on UserDocumentation | 09:43 |
| mdke | that's what I did | 09:43 |
| Burgwork | great minds think alike | 09:44 |
| Burgwork | hadn't seen the diffyet | 09:44 |
| mdke | :) | 09:44 |
| Burgwork | I think the wiki is really starting to come together as a good resource | 09:49 |
| mdke | me too | 09:50 |
| crimsun | it's certainly becoming more usable from a new user's perspective, thanks to everyone's work | 09:50 |
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| mdke | it's high maintenance though | 09:50 |
| mdke | at the moment | 09:50 |
| crimsun | ultimately I'd love to see wiki integration into the distro | 09:51 |
| Burgwork | documentation is always high maintenacne | 09:51 |
| Burgwork | crimsun, where that will come is through LP-integration | 09:51 |
| crimsun | Burgwork: yep | 09:51 |
| Burgwork | and LP-landing pages | 09:51 |
| mdke | Burgwork, well... a lot of the maintenance on the wiki is not based on the documentation | 09:51 |
| mdke | look at the time you've spent on those specs | 09:51 |
| Burgwork | mdke, yes, indeed | 09:51 |
| Burgwork | I hate that LP drives into our wiki | 09:51 |
| Burgwork | for people and specs | 09:51 |
| mdke | i don't | 09:52 |
| Burgwork | both of those should be exclusively on LP | 09:52 |
| mdke | we just need another wiki | 09:52 |
| mdke | ah, yeah ultimately | 09:52 |
| Burgwork | and yes, we also need another wiki | 09:52 |
| Burgwork | one that allows "publishing" of a sort | 09:52 |
| mdke | homepages and specs will ultimately be on LP, I'm sure | 09:52 |
| Burgwork | I am not so certain about the specs | 09:52 |
| Burgwork | the LP guys didn't see my POV when I was at UBZ | 09:53 |
| Burgwork | as a first step, we need to get off the ubuntu wiki onto our own | 09:54 |
| Burgwork | then we can start talking better wiki stuff | 09:54 |
| Burgwork | is the document storage facility down? | 09:55 |
| mdke | not sure, it goes down for a short period each day i believe | 09:56 |
| Burgwork | it was down yesterday for a quite sometime, and I can't get it now | 09:56 |
| mdke | try #gwos | 09:57 |
| Burgwork | negatory | 09:57 |
| mdke | i don't know that word | 09:58 |
| Burgwork | doesn't exist | 09:59 |
| mdke | oh, strange | 10:00 |
| mdke | ah | 10:00 |
| mdke | #ubuntu-gwos | 10:00 |
| Burgwork | if we migrate to our own wiki, should we migrate to Mediawiki at the same time? | 10:02 |
| Burgwork | having the same markup as the biggest wikis in the world will probably help us get contributers | 10:02 |
| mdke | is that a rhetorical question? | 10:04 |
| Burgwork | no | 10:05 |
| mdke | you know my answer ;) | 10:05 |
| mdke | different Ubuntu wikis with different markup would be so bad | 10:05 |
| mdke | not to mention different authserver hacks | 10:05 |
| Burgwork | yes, the authserv stuff is a breakign point | 10:05 |
| Burgwork | but LP is giong to have a gneeric api for that | 10:05 |
| Burgwork | because they are working to integrate with many different systems | 10:06 |
| Burgwork | dammit, I want to blog again but nobody has blogged | 10:08 |
| mdke | is that a problem? | 10:08 |
| Burgwork | yes, a self imposed rule, so it doesn't become Planet Corey | 10:08 |
| mdke | ah | 10:08 |
| mdke | i don't think that will happen ;) | 10:08 |
| Burgwork | with the amount of blogging I have been doign recently | 10:09 |
| Burgwork | ugh, forgot this page existed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowTos | 10:20 |
| Burgwork | and now we have someone adding to it | 10:21 |
| mdke | yeah henrik made it when porting the howtos from the website | 10:21 |
| Burgwork | check out RecentChanges | 10:21 |
| mdke | i see it | 10:21 |
| Burgwork | I have emailed that person and asked them to join us here | 10:22 |
| mdke | cool | 10:22 |
| Burgwork | we should probably merge that page into UserDoc as well | 10:22 |
| mdke | agreed | 10:22 |
| Burgwork | once he replys I will do that | 10:22 |
| === Burgwork is about to fall asleep at his deak | ||
| Burgwork | desk, even | 10:24 |
| mdke | know that feeling | 10:24 |
| Burgwork | I didn't get to sleep until 2am this morning | 10:25 |
| Burgwork | ugh, moin needs a better method of uploads and attachments | 10:25 |
| Burgwork | per page is very very primitive | 10:25 |
| === mdke pushes Burgwork towards #moin | ||
| Burgwork | http://labix.org/irss | 10:32 |
| Burgwork | http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/SinglePageSlideShow | 10:33 |
| Burgwork | that second could be very cool for us | 10:34 |
| Burgwork | ok, so moin cannot allow users to edit one page and everybody to edit a talk page | 10:38 |
| Burgwork | which mediawiki can do, with a single switch | 10:38 |
| Burgwork | you can do it in moin, but you must configure on a page by page basis | 10:39 |
| === mdke pushes Burgwork towards #moin | ||
| mdke | although I'm not sure about such a feature | 10:42 |
| mdke | forums do that | 10:42 |
| Burgwork | that i what I got from #moin | 10:43 |
| mdke | what is? | 10:43 |
| Burgwork | the information about ACLs | 10:43 |
| Burgwork | which in my mind is a key part of a better wiki doc system | 10:43 |
| mdke | i'm not sure | 10:44 |
| mdke | i don't think we should shie away from the idea that wiki docs can be collaborative | 10:45 |
| === mdke points at wikipedia | ||
| Burgwork | yes, they can be collaborative | 10:46 |
| Burgwork | published help should only need typos being changed and minor things | 10:47 |
| Burgwork | web published I mean | 10:47 |
| Burgwork | my proposal involves having the in progress stuff as very much collobarative, exactly as today | 10:47 |
| Burgwork | but the published stuff would be pushed onto a different wiki with slight different rules | 10:47 |
| mdke | why? | 10:48 |
| Burgwork | because the end user knows they are getting high qulality docs when they go to help.u.c. | 10:49 |
| mdke | the end user knows they are getting high quality information when they go to wikipedia.org | 10:49 |
| Burgwork | so all the end user sees in help.u.c unless they wish to help us | 10:49 |
| mdke | i'm not really convinced that the extra confusion that having more than one help wiki would put on the user is worth any possible benefit | 10:50 |
| Burgwork | but help is tied to a specific release | 10:50 |
| Burgwork | and after that release happens, the docs assoicated can be slushy frozen, ala the current svn stuff | 10:50 |
| Burgwork | we don't actually need a wiki | 10:53 |
| mdke | gtg now | 10:53 |
| Burgwork | cya | 10:53 |
| === Burgwork is bored, bored, bored | ||
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