[01:13] <jsgotangco> hey Burglaptop 
[01:13] <mdke> that's a pretty active page i think
[01:13] <mdke> hello jerome
[01:14] <jsgotangco> hey mdke 
[01:14] <jsgotangco> happy holidays! (if not too late)
[01:14] <mdke> same to you :)
[01:15] <jsgotangco> i did some doc updates but havent uploaded yet
[01:15] <mdke> cool, why not upload?
[01:15] <jsgotangco> i forgot my laptop
[01:16] <mdke> ah
[01:16] <mdke> which docs?
[01:16] <jsgotangco> kubuntu and server
[01:16] <mdke> oh wow
[01:16] <Burglaptop> mdke: it is pretty active, but a lot of the informatin is already known
[01:16] <mdke> Burglaptop, known or fixed?
[01:16] <Burglaptop> known, with LP specs to talk about each issue
[01:17] <jsgotangco> but theres no activity in svn at all, so i'll just upload when i get my laptop tommorow at my in laws
[01:17] <mdke> i guess you can note that, if you wish
[01:17] <mdke> jsgotangco, sounds good
[01:17] <Burglaptop> ugh, I will just leave it for now
[01:27] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: do you have any objections if i nuke the various Koffice pages that have no useful help content on them?
[01:28] <jsgotangco> who uses KOffice anyways
[01:28] <Burglaptop> right, they shall die
[01:41] <Burglaptop> spanish? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartLinkModemDriverHowto?highlight=%28CategoryCleanup%29
[01:45] <Burglaptop> mdke: ^
[01:45] <mdke> why would you delete spanish pages?
[01:46] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:46] <mdke> my spanish is very poor, but the page looks good to me
[01:47] <Burglaptop> I don't want to delete it
[01:47] <Burglaptop> I want to move it to -ES or something similar
[01:47] <mdke> my spanish isn't good enough to improve it
[01:48] <mdke> will you move all the spanish docs?
[01:48] <Burglaptop> no, just that one because it is an english namespace
[01:49] <mdke> the others seem to have "COMO" after them
[01:49] <mdke> i guess you could add that
[01:50] <mdke> ubuntu-es.org has a lot of documentation on there
[01:50] <mdke> you could ask them to migrate it i guess
[01:58] <mdke> gah, where is the mp3 help on the wiki??
[01:59] <Madpilot> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:59] <mdke> Madpilot, nope
[01:59] <mdke> at least, I don't see it
[01:59] <Madpilot> that's the only mp3 page I know of...
[02:00] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-98f0945855102afe97a542ae07168f3ddcc61124
[02:00] <mdke> ah ok, no separate section
[02:00] <mdke> i found this tho, which is what I was looking for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CDRipping
[02:00] <Madpilot> no, it's lumped in with the rest of the non-free stuff
[02:01] <mdke> i think mp3 needs an entry in the TOC on RestrictedFormats, that was too hard to find :(
[02:01] <mdke> especially since the page "mp3" links there
[02:01] <mdke> links/redirects*
[02:01] <Madpilot> you want to do it, or should I?
[02:03] <mdke> i'll do it, sure
[02:11] <mdke> man that TOC is long and ugly :)
[02:12] <mdke> prime candidate for subpages :)
[02:14] <mdke> heya rob1 
[02:14] <rob1> hi mdke 
[02:15] <mdke> good christmas?
[02:15] <rob1> yeah, still tired
[02:15] <rob1> how about yourself?
[02:17] <mdke> good thanks
[02:28] <jsgotangco> i slept all day myself yesterday
[02:53] <mdke> hmm, the FAQ resources suck quite a lot
[03:18] <Burglaptop> mdke: yes, they do
[03:18] <Burglaptop> mdke: I almost wonder if we should redirect '
[03:18] <Burglaptop> FAQ to UserDoc
[03:52] <Burglaptop> what does everybody think of having all WindowsPrograms as a subpage of WindowsPrograms?
[03:56] <Madpilot> huh? all who as a subpage of what?
[04:01] <Burglaptop> move things like WorldofWarcraft to under WindowsPrograms
[04:02] <Madpilot> why?
[04:02] <Madpilot> we know they're windows apps, but wine & linux are the point, not Windows, right?
[04:02] <Burglaptop> put them under Wine then?
[04:03] <Madpilot> why move them at all?
[04:03] <Burglaptop> because they all require Wine or Cedega
[04:28] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, ping?
[04:31] <Madpilot> he was here about half an hour ago, jsgotangco
[04:31] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:33] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: yep?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> heh he's still online im pretty sure, wiki updates are still happening
[04:33] <jsgotangco> see?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, do you know Mark Johnson, Debian upstream
[04:34] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: for which package?
[04:34] <jsgotangco> Docbook
[04:35] <jsgotangco> he sent email to Jane a few weeks ago inquiring about doc work, but he hinted at compensation
[04:35] <jsgotangco> i told jane we're volunteers
[04:35] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:35] <Burglaptop> nope, never heard of him
[04:35] <jsgotangco> so jane told mark to contact us
[04:35] <jsgotangco> (Janew)
[04:36] <jsgotangco> well anyways, i invited him over he could probably help out on the technical aspects (that we're not very familiar with)
[04:37] <jsgotangco> i told him not to expect much, we're mostly writers not xml hackers anyways
[04:37] <jsgotangco> (fyi guys)
[04:41] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: did you have any thoughts about moving Windows stuff under Wine?
[04:42] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:42] <jsgotangco> so that you can save the namespace?
[04:42] <Burglaptop> yes, and to clearly identify them
[04:42] <jsgotangco> seems ok but not all windows stuff are wine related
[04:43] <Burglaptop> whatever, I will leave them for now
[04:43] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: can you try moving WorldofWarcraftHowto to WorldofWarcraft ?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> hold on
[04:44] <jsgotangco> why not just rename the page?
[04:45] <Burglaptop> I did, it fails
[04:45] <jsgotangco> well i created a new page
[04:45] <jsgotangco> purge the Howto?
[04:46] <Burglaptop> hmm?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> purge WorldofWarcraftHowto ?
[04:47] <Burglaptop> how do I do that?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> ummm
[04:48] <jsgotangco> More Actions - delete page ?
[04:49] <Burglaptop> I created and deleted WorldofWarcraft to try and clear that
[04:49] <Burglaptop> I suspect that it is a bug in Moin
[04:49] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:50] <Burglaptop> a bloody hell, it has already been moved
[04:51] <jsgotangco> yay we still have pitti's christmas gift on locales and apt dumbness
[04:51] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: there is a workaround
[04:52] <jsgotangco> how?
[04:52] <Burglaptop> remove locales
[04:52] <jsgotangco> the deb won't install
[04:52] <jsgotangco> hmm?
[04:52] <Burglaptop> reinstall the old 2.3.6 one
[04:52] <Burglaptop> upgrade to the 2.3.7 version
[04:52] <Burglaptop> then reinstall your locales
[04:52] <Burglaptop> that is what pitti was trying to say in the email
[04:52] <jsgotangco> how crackful is that?
[04:52] <Burglaptop> not
[04:53] <jsgotangco> ahh
[04:53] <Burglaptop> well, the wine stuff is pretty well in hand now
[05:15] <Burglaptop> well, that is first time I have blogged about doc work in ages
[05:16] <jsgotangco> you blogged about the wiki tsunami you caused this weekend?
[05:17] <Burglaptop> yep
[05:45] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: what do you think about redirecting FAQ to UserDocumentation
[05:54] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[06:03] <jsgotangco> FAQ is hardly formal documentation
[06:03] <Burglaptop> but the information in it is very outdated
[06:07] <Burglaptop> FAQ has now been moved on to the website
[06:07] <Burglaptop> s/website/wii
[06:07] <Burglaptop> wiki, even
[06:07] <jsgotangco> most of it are still in zope methinks
[06:09] <Burglaptop> not the faq
[06:09] <Burglaptop> some of us should have edit privs on the website
[06:10] <jsgotangco> i have edit privs on art.ubuntu.com but its hardly usable at the moment
[06:11] <jsgotangco> upading the submitted artwork is cumbersome for starters
[06:12] <jsgotangco> bloody hell kubuntu flight 2 networking is borked
[06:15] <Burglaptop> kde is pretty borked right now
[06:15] <jsgotangco> *sigh*
[06:16] <crimsun> how is it borked?
[06:16] <Burglaptop> it is kde *grin*
[06:17] <Burglaptop> I understand there are some migration issues with recent changes
[06:17] <Burglaptop> gstreamer, etc.
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i like katapult though
[06:24] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, i remove locales?
[06:25] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: yes
[06:26] <jsgotangco> specifically?
[06:27] <Burglaptop> apt-get remove locales
[06:29] <jsgotangco> and next i install?
[06:29] <Burglaptop> install the old version of locales off the flight 2 cd
[06:29] <Burglaptop> then upgrade the locales package
[06:29] <Burglaptop> then use the language selector gui to reinstall the language packs
[06:30] <Burglaptop> and use it to set you default locale
[06:30] <jsgotangco> hmm so this is an apt issue right? not locales specifically
[06:33] <Burglaptop> there might be a bug in the locales package as well
[08:08] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, ping?
[08:14] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: pong
[08:15] <jsgotangco> have you tried http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ch02.html
[08:16] <Burglaptop> nope
[08:16] <Burglaptop> do you think this wording a little strong? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:16] <Burglaptop> the top note
[08:18] <jsgotangco> heh if it breaks stuff why install it in the first place
[08:18] <Burglaptop> some will demand the latest crack
[08:18] <Madpilot> ...because it's new and shiny!
[08:18] <jsgotangco> bah
[08:18] <robitaille> the top note is a bit strong, but that wiki page does some intrusive stuff to someone  setup...
[08:19] <jsgotangco> its like buying the first batch of broken xbox units
[08:20] <Burglaptop> anyway, I am rebooting for a bootchart
[08:20] <Burglaptop> brb
[08:25] <Burglaptop> hmm, 42 secs
[08:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:25] <jsgotangco> average
[08:26] <jsgotangco> mine is similar
[08:26] <Burglaptop> wonder if a 686 kernel would shave any tiome off
[08:49] <Belutz> jdub, are you there?
[08:49] <jsgotangco> hey Belutz 
[08:49] <Belutz> hi jsgotangco :D
[08:49] <Belutz> how are you?
[08:49] <jsgotangco> not bad what's up
[08:50] <Belutz> i'm still in sydney
[08:50] <Belutz> i'm coming home tommorow
[08:50] <jsgotangco> oh did you meet jdub at least?
[08:51] <Belutz> no :(
[08:51] <Belutz> i don't bring my laptop
[08:51] <jsgotangco> why did you spend christmas in sydney?
[08:51] <Belutz> because i didn't plan to stay this long
[08:51] <Belutz> because my friend's parents ask me to extend my stay in sydney
[08:52] <robitaille> Belutz,   jdub has been irc idle for the last 92 hours.
[08:52] <robitaille> I suspect he is not around
[08:53] <Belutz> i see
[08:53] <jsgotangco> why?
[08:53] <Belutz> this is my last day in sydney, i thought i could meet him
[08:54] <Belutz> why? hmm no reason :D
[08:54] <jsgotangco> i have his number but i don't like giving out numbers he might not like it even
[08:54] <Belutz> jsgotangco: http://belutz.blogspot.com
[08:54] <jsgotangco> he's probably out of town as well
[08:55] <Belutz> jsgotangco, that's ok :)
[08:55] <jsgotangco> hmm lifeless is in sydney i think
[08:55] <jsgotangco> or maybe not
[08:55] <Belutz> i like sydney...
[08:56] <Belutz> :D
[08:56] <jsgotangco> i didnt know you studied at wollongong
[08:56] <Belutz> jsgotangco, i studied in jakarta, but it's an overseas programme
[08:56] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[08:57] <jsgotangco> but you still have a degree from UoW right?
[08:57] <Belutz> yup
[08:57] <jsgotangco> maybe i should consider a homestudy for grad school
[08:57] <Belutz> i'm an alumni from UoW
[08:58] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yeah, maybe i'm going to apply for some scholarship
[08:58] <jsgotangco> hmm i'll shop around i'm going back to brisbane in 2 weeks after the new year
[08:59] <Belutz> waaa... you're going to brisbane?
[09:00] <jsgotangco> it should have been a few weeks ago but i decided to move it next year
[09:00] <Belutz> i see
[09:00] <Belutz> for work?
[09:00] <jsgotangco> yep
[09:01] <Belutz> :D
[12:59] <mdke> Burgwork, maybe ask about the warning to the firefox page on the forum thread, i can't see anyone complaining about that problem there
[06:06] <Burgwork> mdke, but people who bork their systems may not make it tothe forums
[06:22] <Burgwork> holy crap, that was a commit I just saw
[06:59] <Burgwork> hmm
[06:59] <Burgwork> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9155633&forum_id=43270
[07:25] <mdke> Burgwork, sure, i still think it's a good idea to ask the original author via that thread
[07:25] <mdke> also, I don't think people have borked their systems beyond going to the forum, because that thread has 31 pages of feedback
[07:36] <Burgwork> mdke, does the warning harm people
[07:36] <Burgwork> ?
[08:03] <mdke> Burgwork, i don't know, i haven't tried the guide. I'm just suggesting you ask the author about it, it's just common courtesy
[08:05] <mdke> if the forum thread shows a lot of satisfied customers, it would be nice to figure out when the problem is caused, and when it isn't
[08:18] <Burgwork> mdke, most of those users probably don't use some of those programs. But breaking help I consider fairly major
[08:18] <Burgwork> mdke, the problem is caused all the time, regardless
[08:19] <Burgwork> any time you upgrade FF, you must upgrade those apps or they will cease to work, period
[08:21] <mdke> it is a major problem if true, but I find it hard to understand why nothing appears on that thread
[08:21] <mdke> firefox is not upgraded anyhow, the old version is left intact iirc
[08:21] <Burgwork> because most of the forums people don't use those apps
[08:22] <mdke> ok, if you're not going to post, i'm happy to do it
[08:22] <Burgwork> sure, I am busy at work currently
[08:22] <mdke> i consider it simple courtesy
[08:22] <mdke> some info
[08:22] <mdke> where did you hear about the breakage?
[08:23] <mdke> -users?
[08:40] <Burgwork> hmm, rethinking this
[08:45] <Burgwork> I think I might be wrong, as much as it pains me to admit it
[08:45] <mdke> you haven't seen the breakage?
[08:46] <Burgwork> I think to change the note at the top
[08:46] <Burgwork> it should say "As long as you don
[08:46] <Burgwork> t remove  the existing copy of Firefox, ....
[08:47] <mdke> o.o
[08:48] <mdke> the guide doesn't say to remove it, afaics
[08:48] <Burgwork> no it doesn't, but people might think to do that anyway, because they "don
[08:48] <Burgwork> t need it"
[08:48] <Burgwork> grr, bloody enter key
[08:49] <mdke> a note about that would be fine yeah
[08:50] <Burgwork> I shall edit it
[08:51] <Burgwork> i will test that on a fresh breezy install sometime this week
[08:51] <mdke> good idea
[08:51] <mdke> hello BlackDesert 
[08:51] <mdke> :)
[08:51] <BlackDesert> hi everybody
[08:51] <BlackDesert> ;-)
[08:52] <Burgwork> salut BlackDesert 
[09:17] <Burgwork> mdke, I like your wording better
[09:17] <mdke> ;)
[09:19] <mdke> can we remove the links to the FAQs on UserDocumentation?
[09:19] <mdke> they suck balls
[09:19] <Burgwork> yep
[09:19] <Burgwork> I had though we should redirect FAQ to UserDocumentation
[09:20] <mdke> we really need to take anything useful from the faqs and integrate em with the rest of the wiki
[09:20] <mdke> I'll add that to WikiToDo
[09:20] <Burgwork> they are mostly done. I will do some of that today
[09:21] <mdke> rocking
[09:27] <mdke> blimey
[09:27] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareManagement looks rather like a new attempt at UserDocumentation ;)
[09:28] <Burgwork> I really should tackle the big pages like that
[09:28] <mdke> i'm gonna wreak havoc on it
[09:29] <Burgwork> mdke, can some of us get edit rights to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view
[09:29] <mdke> not that I know of
[09:29] <Burgwork> ugh
[09:29] <mdke> the new website will be along soon I think
[09:29] <Burgwork> that badly needs updating
[09:29] <mdke> so that won't be a problem
[09:29] <mdke> i filed a bug about that yesterday tho, it really sucks
[09:35] <Burgwork> mdke, I was thinking about creating a category called  NeedsExpansion
[09:35] <Burgwork> pages that don't completely explain the topic
[09:36] <Burgwork> as opposed to pages that are badly written
[09:37] <mdke> hmm not sure
[09:37] <mdke> maybe simple is best
[09:37] <mdke> Burgwork, have we got a comprehensive list of games anywhere?
[09:38] <mdke> there is one on that SoftwareManagement page which I'm about to remove
[09:38] <Burgwork> mdke, there is no Games page
[09:38] <Burgwork> let me create one
[09:38] <Burgwork> I think FAQ is ready to be redirected UserDocumentatin
[09:38] <mdke> ok
[09:38] <Burgwork> do you think I should just do it or ask for futher input?
[09:38] <mdke> sounds fine
[09:39] <mdke> I'll do the Games page
[09:39] <Burgwork> redirection done
[09:40] <Burgwork> I can add things about Wine/Cedega to the games page later
[09:40] <mdke> fine
[09:43] <mdke> it's at "Games"
[09:43] <Burgwork> why don't we remove the main games from the UserDocumentation page and just have a link to the Games page on UserDocumentation
[09:43] <mdke> that's what I did
[09:44] <Burgwork> great minds think alike
[09:44] <Burgwork> hadn't seen the diffyet
[09:44] <mdke> :)
[09:49] <Burgwork> I think the wiki is really starting to come together as a good resource
[09:50] <mdke> me too
[09:50] <crimsun> it's certainly becoming more usable from a new user's perspective, thanks to everyone's work
[09:50] <mdke> it's high maintenance though
[09:50] <mdke> at the moment
[09:51] <crimsun> ultimately I'd love to see wiki integration into the distro
[09:51] <Burgwork> documentation is always high maintenacne
[09:51] <Burgwork> crimsun, where  that will come is through LP-integration
[09:51] <crimsun> Burgwork: yep
[09:51] <Burgwork> and LP-landing pages
[09:51] <mdke> Burgwork, well... a lot of the maintenance on the wiki is not based on the documentation
[09:51] <mdke> look at the time you've spent on those specs
[09:51] <Burgwork> mdke, yes, indeed
[09:51] <Burgwork> I hate that LP drives into our wiki
[09:51] <Burgwork> for people and specs
[09:52] <mdke> i don't
[09:52] <Burgwork> both of those should be exclusively on LP
[09:52] <mdke> we just need another wiki
[09:52] <mdke> ah, yeah ultimately
[09:52] <Burgwork> and yes, we also need another wiki
[09:52] <Burgwork> one that allows "publishing" of a sort
[09:52] <mdke> homepages and specs will ultimately be on LP, I'm sure
[09:52] <Burgwork> I am not so certain about the specs
[09:53] <Burgwork> the LP guys didn't see my POV when I was at UBZ
[09:54] <Burgwork> as a first step, we need to get off the ubuntu wiki onto our own
[09:54] <Burgwork> then we can start talking better wiki stuff
[09:55] <Burgwork> is the document storage facility down?
[09:56] <mdke> not sure, it goes down for a short period each day i believe
[09:56] <Burgwork> it was down yesterday for a quite sometime, and I can't get it now
[09:57] <mdke> try #gwos
[09:57] <Burgwork> negatory
[09:58] <mdke> i don't know that word
[09:59] <Burgwork> doesn't exist
[10:00] <mdke> oh, strange
[10:00] <mdke> ah
[10:00] <mdke> #ubuntu-gwos
[10:02] <Burgwork> if we migrate to our own wiki, should we migrate to Mediawiki at the same time?
[10:02] <Burgwork> having the same markup as the biggest wikis in the world will probably help us get contributers
[10:04] <mdke> is that a rhetorical question?
[10:05] <Burgwork> no
[10:05] <mdke> you know my answer ;)
[10:05] <mdke> different Ubuntu wikis with different markup would be so bad
[10:05] <mdke> not to mention different authserver hacks
[10:05] <Burgwork> yes, the authserv stuff is a breakign point
[10:05] <Burgwork> but LP is giong to have a gneeric api for that
[10:06] <Burgwork> because they are working to integrate with many different systems
[10:08] <Burgwork> dammit, I want to blog again but nobody has blogged
[10:08] <mdke> is that a problem?
[10:08] <Burgwork> yes, a self imposed rule, so it doesn't become Planet Corey
[10:08] <mdke> ah
[10:08] <mdke> i don't think that will happen ;)
[10:09] <Burgwork> with the amount of blogging I have been doign recently
[10:20] <Burgwork> ugh, forgot this page existed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowTos
[10:21] <Burgwork> and now we have someone adding to it
[10:21] <mdke> yeah henrik made it when porting the howtos from the website
[10:21] <Burgwork> check out RecentChanges
[10:21] <mdke> i see it
[10:22] <Burgwork> I have emailed that person and asked them to join us here
[10:22] <mdke> cool
[10:22] <Burgwork> we should probably merge that page into UserDoc as well
[10:22] <mdke> agreed
[10:22] <Burgwork> once he replys I will do that
[10:24] <Burgwork> desk, even
[10:24] <mdke> know that feeling
[10:25] <Burgwork> I didn't get to sleep until 2am this morning
[10:25] <Burgwork> ugh, moin needs a better method of uploads and attachments
[10:25] <Burgwork> per page is very very primitive
[10:32] <Burgwork> http://labix.org/irss
[10:33] <Burgwork> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/SinglePageSlideShow
[10:34] <Burgwork> that second could be very cool for us
[10:38] <Burgwork> ok, so moin cannot allow users to edit one page and everybody to edit a talk page
[10:38] <Burgwork> which mediawiki can do, with a single switch
[10:39] <Burgwork> you can do it in moin, but you must configure on a page by page basis
[10:42] <mdke> although I'm not sure about such a feature
[10:42] <mdke> forums do that
[10:43] <Burgwork> that i what I got from #moin
[10:43] <mdke> what is?
[10:43] <Burgwork> the information about ACLs
[10:43] <Burgwork> which in my mind is a key part of a better wiki doc system
[10:44] <mdke> i'm not sure
[10:45] <mdke> i don't think we should shie away from the idea that wiki docs can be collaborative
[10:46] <Burgwork> yes, they can be collaborative
[10:47] <Burgwork> published help should only need typos being changed and minor things
[10:47] <Burgwork> web published I mean
[10:47] <Burgwork> my proposal involves having the in progress stuff as very much collobarative, exactly as today
[10:47] <Burgwork> but the published  stuff would be pushed onto a different wiki with slight different rules
[10:48] <mdke> why?
[10:49] <Burgwork> because the end user knows they are getting high qulality docs when they go to help.u.c.
[10:49] <mdke> the end user knows they are getting high quality information when they go to wikipedia.org
[10:49] <Burgwork> so all the end user sees in help.u.c unless they wish to help us
[10:50] <mdke> i'm not really convinced that the extra confusion that having more than one help wiki would put on the user is worth any possible benefit
[10:50] <Burgwork> but help is tied to a specific release
[10:50] <Burgwork> and after that release happens, the docs assoicated can be slushy frozen, ala the current svn stuff
[10:53] <Burgwork> we don't actually need a wiki
[10:53] <mdke> gtg now
[10:53] <Burgwork> cya