| crimsun | (I blame gnome-menus or something ;-) | 12:04 |
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| raphink | pfff | 12:07 |
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| slomo | yes, let's blame seb ;) | 12:08 |
| raphink | lol | 12:09 |
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| raphink | hi ogra_ibook | 12:33 |
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| Yagisan | G'day All | 06:25 |
| Yagisan | If I want to redefine LD_LIBRARY_PATH so an app looks for it's libraries in a different path, it should be sufficient to put | 06:26 |
| Yagisan | LD_LIBRARY_PATH = /lib32 /usr/lib32 /usr/X11R6/lib32 /lib /usr/lib in debian/rules right ? | 06:26 |
| Lathiat | isnt it LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib32:/usr/lib32:/usr/X11R6/lib32.... | 06:28 |
| Yagisan | thanks Lathiat: I'm over-tired today and doing typos in my rules files | 06:30 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: that didn't seem to work. I got a FTBFS again because it tried to use the library in /usr/lib rather then /usr/lib32 :( | 06:37 |
| crimsun | ./configure needs it in LDFLAGS | 06:38 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: thank you. I need a few working test cases for my ia32-libs-universe package | 06:41 |
| crimsun | my guess is anything game-related | 06:43 |
| Lathiat | so what exactly is in ia32-libs? | 06:45 |
| Yagisan | sorry guys - had to leave. My daughter jumped off the dining table trying to fly and I needed to administer first aid :( | 06:54 |
| crimsun | sounds like me some 20 years ago. | 06:55 |
| Yagisan | re: ia32-linbs-universe: currently sdl packages to get some games working, and I plan to put in whatever is needed to get wine going | 06:55 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, so you'd be about 22 then ? | 06:56 |
| Yagisan | my initial test cases are deng (not yet in ubuntu) zsnes and wine. Feel free to suggest others | 06:56 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: +4 | 06:57 |
| crimsun | speaking of wine, are we going to merge it from Sid? | 06:58 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: I don't know, the winehq guys have popped out either 0.9.3 or 0.9.4 now in their repo | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: IIRC ubuntu uses their package | 07:00 |
| crimsun | those are supposed to be less stable than 0.9 | 07:00 |
| crimsun | according to Scott, who was fairly active in getting Hoary's wine up to speed | 07:01 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: to be honest, I have had regressions in every wine release after hoary shipped | 07:01 |
| crimsun | hmm. | 07:02 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: I mainly use it for gpl apps that are Win only, or 1 or 2 games I have form '95 | 07:02 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: but some people need it, so I'd like to see it running on amd64 | 07:02 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: I figured I could get some package magic working until real multiarch is done | 07:03 |
| crimsun | you probably want to coordinate with Tollef and Jeff on that, then | 07:04 |
| crimsun | I hear there are going to be some nasties in Dapper+1 | 07:04 |
| Yagisan | oh ? I figured it would be a simple case of adding some extra 32bit libs and some patches to rules and control to get this band-aid working | 07:06 |
| crimsun | the band-aid will suffice for Dapper, probably, but it won't work for Dapper+1 | 07:07 |
| crimsun | they have a much better idea of the transition than I do, though | 07:07 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: ok. I hope to have it ready for dapper. I'd rather not keep it around after dapper, as I'd prefer true multi-arch | 07:08 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: I already had siretart volunteer to test packages when ready, are you also interested ? | 07:10 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: I don't have an amd64 desktop, only a pbuilder some 3000 km away | 07:11 |
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| Yagisan | crimsun: santa didn't get you one ? that's ok. santa didn't get me my ppc system for christmas either | 07:14 |
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| crimsun | Yagisan: no, Santa brought me uninterrupted sleep instead. | 07:16 |
| Yagisan | crimsun: lucky you. Santa brought me a large hole in my wallet, and a severe lack of sleep since then | 07:17 |
| crimsun | Yagisan: :) | 07:17 |
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| Yagisan | crimsun: It's called the "joy" of 2 under 2 | 07:19 |
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| smallfoot | hi | 07:20 |
| smallfoot | what is this channel about? | 07:20 |
| crimsun | read the topic. | 07:20 |
| smallfoot | and why is there is so many damn ubuntu channels? | 07:20 |
| smallfoot | and can you please tell that guy crimsun not unban me | 07:20 |
| jsgotangco | because we're so damn many? | 07:20 |
| smallfoot | lol | 07:21 |
| smallfoot | oh | 07:21 |
| smallfoot | ok | 07:21 |
| smallfoot | i guess its good idea have many chans then | 07:21 |
| jsgotangco | crimsun, please unban smallfoot please... :D | 07:21 |
| smallfoot | yeh, pwetty please | 07:21 |
| crimsun | sorry, can't unban him here ;) | 07:21 |
| smallfoot | is ubuntu the most used linux of all distros? | 07:21 |
| === Yagisan sighs | ||
| === crimsun looks at the merge list instead | ||
| === jsgotangco has nothing to do | ||
| === smallfoot confused | ||
| === smallfoot hugs crimsun, Yagisan and jsgotangco, extra big hug to jsgotangco | ||
| jsgotangco | err why? | 07:23 |
| Yagisan | wOOt! I found yet another way to make deng FTBFS | 07:23 |
| smallfoot | because you said to him plz unban me | 07:23 |
| smallfoot | deng FTBFS? | 07:23 |
| jsgotangco | smallfoot, you really believed that? :D | 07:23 |
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| smallfoot | ye | 07:23 |
| smallfoot | lol | 07:24 |
| smallfoot | warthy is newer than breeze badger? | 07:24 |
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| smallfoot | can you use 'su' on ubuntu? | 07:26 |
| lifeless | smallfoot: no | 07:26 |
| lifeless | smallfoot: warty was first | 07:26 |
| smallfoot | ok | 07:26 |
| smallfoot | which one was before hoary hedgehog? | 07:27 |
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| Yagisan | u410 | 07:27 |
| smallfoot | if you cant use 'su' on ubuntu then it sucks | 07:27 |
| smallfoot | it sucks that must type sudo everytime before use a command | 07:27 |
| === jsgotangco kicks smallfoot | ||
| smallfoot | well, its so strange | 07:27 |
| smallfoot | i understand why its no root account, since that page says the benefit of no root | 07:28 |
| jsgotangco | smallfoot, its like this | 07:28 |
| Yagisan | smallfoot: You have no understanding of of system accountability do you ? | 07:28 |
| smallfoot | but then again, many telnet and ssh dont allow remote root login so it dont matter | 07:28 |
| smallfoot | i dont know, maybe | 07:28 |
| jsgotangco | smallfoot, if you know the difference of su and sudo you'll know the benefits | 07:28 |
| smallfoot | iknow different | 07:28 |
| jsgotangco | tell me | 07:28 |
| jsgotangco | what is the most obvious difference | 07:28 |
| smallfoot | sudo run command, su give you privilieges | 07:28 |
| jsgotangco | no | 07:28 |
| jsgotangco | strike 1 | 07:28 |
| smallfoot | damn | 07:28 |
| jsgotangco | just tell me the most obvious benefit of ussing sudo from su | 07:29 |
| === Yagisan knows | ||
| smallfoot | sudo can run command immediately by 1 command instead of first use su, then type command | 07:29 |
| jsgotangco | no no let's not talk about semantics | 07:30 |
| jsgotangco | its pretty simple really | 07:30 |
| smallfoot | ok then i dont know | 07:30 |
| smallfoot | to me, is the same | 07:30 |
| smallfoot | both have power | 07:30 |
| Yagisan | so do batteries and power sockets | 07:30 |
| Yagisan | but they are not the same | 07:31 |
| === Yagisan kicks deng hard | ||
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| smallfoot | ok | 07:33 |
| smallfoot | who make all fancy names | 07:33 |
| smallfoot | like hoary hedgehog, breezy badger, war warthog | 07:33 |
| smallfoot | ? | 07:33 |
| Yagisan | the boss | 07:34 |
| smallfoot | ok | 07:35 |
| smallfoot | what if i make trademark on warty warthog?? | 07:35 |
| smallfoot | and breezy badger?? | 07:35 |
| Yagisan | the boss will sue your arse off the face of the planet | 07:35 |
| method | Canonical might own the trademarks. | 07:35 |
| Yagisan | I expect they would | 07:35 |
| smallfoot | ok | 07:36 |
| method | That's what corporations are for. | 07:36 |
| smallfoot | guys tell that guy crimsun to unban me from the other channels | 07:36 |
| smallfoot | mum says i must go sleep and close computer | 07:36 |
| smallfoot | bye!!! | 07:36 |
| method | What did you do? | 07:36 |
| Yagisan | crimsum - please ban smallfoot from ALL channels | 07:36 |
| crimsun | good thing I don't have that sort of privilege ;) | 07:37 |
| lifeless | apparently he is a swedish gorilla | 07:37 |
| smallfoot | wtf???? | 07:37 |
| smallfoot | WHY?? | 07:37 |
| smallfoot | LOLOL IM NOT MONKEY!! | 07:37 |
| smallfoot | please dont ban me from all channels | 07:38 |
| lifeless | 17:37 [freenode] -!- smallfoot [i=gorilla@c-a25b70d5.041-5-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] | 07:38 |
| lifeless | 17:37 [freenode] -!- ircname : gorilla | 07:38 |
| smallfoot | please unban me from all chaanels | 07:38 |
| lifeless | 17:37 [freenode] -!- channels : #ubuntu-motu | 07:38 |
| lifeless | 17:37 [freenode] -!- server : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/] | 07:38 |
| lifeless | looks like a gorilla to me;) | 07:38 |
| smallfoot | OH YEH SMART GUY | 07:38 |
| lifeless | 17:37 [freenode] -!- End of WHOIS | 07:38 |
| smallfoot | lololol | 07:38 |
| crimsun | smallfoot: rest assured that I won't (un)ban you from all channels | 07:38 |
| smallfoot | hmm | 07:38 |
| smallfoot | ok | 07:38 |
| smallfoot | =/ | 07:38 |
| smallfoot | you guys should be lucky i dont have ops!! | 07:39 |
| smallfoot | i would ban everybody!! | 07:39 |
| Hobbsee | hehe @ crimsun | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 07:39 |
| smallfoot | Hobbsee, you have the cute | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | come on let's play warcraft | 07:39 |
| smallfoot | yeh | 07:40 |
| smallfoot | tell me your guys name in warcraft | 07:40 |
| smallfoot | then if you dont give me all your item, my guild will hunt you!! | 07:40 |
| jsgotangco | yeah right | 07:40 |
| smallfoot | ok | 07:41 |
| smallfoot | mom get angry | 07:41 |
| lifeless | smallfoot: please take this to #warcrat or something, its off topic here | 07:41 |
| smallfoot | i must close computer | 07:41 |
| smallfoot | bye!! | 07:41 |
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| Yagisan | this is so funny, and yet so sad | 07:42 |
| Yagisan | I'd say about 10 yrs | 07:42 |
| jsgotangco | when i started on linux, i had a lot of questions but i didnt annoy people (im pretty sure of it) | 07:42 |
| Yagisan | I still have lots of questions, but the best way to learn is to do it | 07:43 |
| Yagisan | speaking of which | 07:43 |
| === Yagisan kicks ia32-libs-universe and deng both again | ||
| lifeless | Yagisan: I think 10 could only be physical, not mental age. | 07:44 |
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| Yagisan | lifeless: possibly. btw if you are who I think you are, did you get your laptop fixed from udu ? | 07:45 |
| lifeless | erm, @ udu - my laptop was working, but the hinge was getting worse and worse | 07:45 |
| lifeless | I cannot open the hinge any more at all as of about 5 months back, I bought a dell x1, still have not managed to get the manufacturer to respond to get the hoverbook fixed. | 07:46 |
| Yagisan | lifeless: yep - thats the one. | 07:46 |
| Yagisan | lifeless: I met you, IIRC your in Sydney right | 07:47 |
| lifeless | yes | 07:47 |
| lifeless | up epping way | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | oh you were there? | 07:47 |
| === Yagisan needs to get his replacement key signed | ||
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: yep. It was nice - I went for proactive security | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | you were at the UDU keysigning? | 07:48 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: yes - before terrible disaster struck | 07:48 |
| Yagisan | brb | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | wow so we got to meet but didnt chat at all lol | 07:48 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: that sucks :( | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | what's your full name i might have signed it | 07:50 |
| === Yagisan is Jamie Jones | ||
| jsgotangco | right | 07:51 |
| Yagisan | lifeless: I'm down in lidcombe. perhaps one day when you're not busy, I could meet up with you for a key signing ? | 07:51 |
| lifeless | sure | 07:52 |
| lifeless | I work from home, so ;) | 07:52 |
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| Yagisan | lifeless: heh - so do I | 07:55 |
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| Yagisan | jsgotangco: It's funny - I've probably met most people here, yet I can't remember what they look like | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | more people from sydney - oh good! | 07:57 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: so where are you ? | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | around near dural | 07:58 |
| Yagisan | that's not too far away, a pain to get to via public transport though | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i can drive, fortunately | 08:00 |
| === Yagisan just walks 30 metres to the train station | ||
| Hobbsee | actually, cherrybrook is a closer location | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe nice, at epping? | 08:00 |
| Yagisan | nope, that's lifeless. I'm at licombe | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | ah, right, yep | 08:01 |
| Yagisan | it could be worse, eg auburn, bankstown, lakemba etc | 08:01 |
| Yagisan | wOOt "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" | 08:02 |
| Hobbsee | hehe true | 08:02 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: so, what are you working on now ? | 08:04 |
| Hobbsee | right now? i'm a little dazed to work on this second, but i was doing a version of ksudoku earlier... | 08:04 |
| Yagisan | I do my best work when I'm out of it ;) | 08:05 |
| Hobbsee | hehe true | 08:05 |
| Hobbsee | i just got home from work | 08:05 |
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| Yagisan | Hobbsee: are you are motu yet ? | 08:07 |
| Hobbsee | no | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | i usually end up sending stuff through Riddell-awa | 08:08 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: I just send my stuff to revu, and await the "we can't have this in ubuntu, because upstream is needs to be beaten with a cluebat" comments | 08:12 |
| Hobbsee | hehe great | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | has anyone verified http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ch02.html if it works | 08:12 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: I just read it. there are typos and it won't work as is | 08:14 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: most of it is fine | 08:15 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: perhaps a cut & paste error from the wiki ? | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | Yagisan, where is the orignial wiki entry? | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | its from docbook source | 08:15 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot | 08:16 |
| jsgotangco | ok i'll check it out | 08:16 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: the wiki one works fine | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto doesn't apply? | 08:17 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: it does. | 08:18 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: both are useful. 1st one esp for amd64 users | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | ok so i do DebootstrapChroot first right? | 08:18 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: yes | 08:19 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: wait - is this for developing packages ? | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | i just want to try it out | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | i assume i just change the lines that says breezy to dapper | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | Yagisan, but right, for creating packages, wanted to verify the steps being done for documentation | 08:21 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: for building packages Pbuilder howto is good, but it will only build a pbuilder for your arch | 08:22 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: if you need to build a pbuilder for another arch, ie i386 on an amd64 system it is a little bit more involved | 08:23 |
| jsgotangco | i'll go first to debootstrap and see how it goes | 08:24 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: debootstrap will give you a chroot - good for doing test installs of your package | 08:25 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: but I strongly recommend you do the pbuilder howto to set up your build environment | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | what do i do first? | 08:25 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: what is your arch ? | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | 386 | 08:26 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: do pbuilder first to set up a build environment | 08:29 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: do you have apt-cacher set up ? | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | hmm nope | 08:29 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: If you don't have a fat pipe, then we should set one up first, then pbuilder | 08:31 |
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| jsgotangco | should i chnage all references of breezy to dapper? | 08:33 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: ping me if you need help with apt-cacher. yes you can change breezy to dapper, or hoary for that matter | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | Yagisan, got spare time now? | 08:34 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: some | 08:34 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: I installed apt-cacher on my firewall box | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 08:35 |
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| jsgotangco | i always get perm denied on this line | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | $ sudo echo APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; > /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated | 08:38 |
| Yagisan | odd. Try this sudo `echo APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; > /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated` | 08:40 |
| Yagisan | if not, I'll dcc you the file | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | strange | 08:49 |
| === Yagisan wishes percussive maintenance worked on stubborn packages | ||
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| jsgotangco | nice shell | 09:40 |
| zakame | shell? | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | metawire | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:42 |
| zakame | ah :) | 09:42 |
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| Gloubiboulga | slomo_, ping | 11:39 |
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| slomo_ | Gloubiboulga: pong | 01:11 |
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| Gloubiboulga | salut pef | 01:20 |
| pef | Gloubiboulga: salut :) | 01:20 |
| Gloubiboulga | slomo_, hello. Still around ? | 01:20 |
| slomo_ | sure | 01:20 |
| Gloubiboulga | do you have time to review my package slomo_ ? | 01:21 |
| slomo_ | hmm, later... not now ;) | 01:21 |
| Gloubiboulga | np | 01:21 |
| pef | Gloubiboulga: url ? :) | 01:21 |
| Gloubiboulga | pef, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1294 merci | 01:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | :) | 01:22 |
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| zakame | evening fellow MOTUs :) | 02:24 |
| zakame | cool, package.qa.debian.org already incorporates ubuntu patches from Keybuk :) | 02:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | zakame, hi | 02:31 |
| zakame | heya Gloubiboulga :) | 02:32 |
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| Gloubiboulga | I have a little question for you zakame (and other MOTUs) | 02:32 |
| zakame | go ahead :) | 02:32 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'm working on a package, and the source dir contains a .bat and several backup files | 02:33 |
| Gloubiboulga | should I remove all this from the .orig.tar.gz ? | 02:33 |
| slomo_ | no | 02:33 |
| slomo_ | only when it makes the package harder or impossible | 02:33 |
| zakame | backup files as in .*~ and ^#.*# ? | 02:33 |
| Gloubiboulga | zakame, yep | 02:33 |
| Gloubiboulga | slomo_, ok. | 02:34 |
| Yagisan | Gloubiboulga: there are very few reasons you can remove something from an orig.tar.gz | 02:34 |
| zakame | Gloubiboulga: dpkg-source will clean them anyway on package build, so you don't have to touch them ;) | 02:34 |
| Yagisan | Gloubiboulga: just ignore the backup files | 02:34 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok, I'll ignore all this files :) | 02:34 |
| Gloubiboulga | thanks Masters | 02:34 |
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| Yagisan | slomo_: could I bother you for a bit ? I'd like to dcc you a rules file, a build log & see if you can help me see what I stuffed up | 02:37 |
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| slomo_ | yes, sure... but i've to leave in ~30 minutes | 02:38 |
| Yagisan | thanks slomo_ | 02:39 |
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| nomed | hi all | 02:40 |
| nomed | is there any xubntu devel here ? | 02:40 |
| nomed | *xubuntu* | 02:40 |
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| nomed | i think some packages need some changes | 02:41 |
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| Hieronymus | nomed: just file a bug? | 02:44 |
| nomed | Hieronymus, it's not a bug ... | 02:44 |
| nomed | but for ex .. should xfdesktop be a modular pkge ? | 02:45 |
| nomed | xfdesktop + xfce4-menu ? | 02:45 |
| nomed | or should ivman be modular ? | 02:45 |
| nomed | like ivman-kde + ivman-xfce + ivman ? | 02:45 |
| nomed | and so on .. | 02:45 |
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| Hieronymus | nomed: no idea | 02:48 |
| zakame | nomed: perhaps posting something about that to ubuntu-devel ML would be better | 02:48 |
| zakame | brb MOTUs | 02:48 |
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| siretart | nomed: janimo is your man for xfce. I think a post to our mailing list would be the best way to reach him | 02:54 |
| nomed | so for xubuntu ubuntu-motu list is fine ... | 02:55 |
| nomed | k | 02:55 |
| nomed | thanks | 02:55 |
| siretart | sure. | 02:56 |
| siretart | perhaps even ubuntu-devel | 02:56 |
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| zakame | waah nufw has so many lintian errors, and I haven't even touched it :( | 03:08 |
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| jinty | ajmitch: ping | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | jinty: it's almost 4am in new zealand, it'll be a while before you get a pong | 03:51 |
| jinty | Yagidan: thanks;) didn't realize | 03:52 |
| Yagisan | no worries mate | 03:53 |
| zakame | Unfrgiven: ping | 04:10 |
| zakame | (er prolly early morning too) | 04:10 |
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| zakame | wb raphink :) | 04:13 |
| raphink | zakame: do you knwo of a way to recover data ? | 04:16 |
| raphink | I had instaled two chroots on this machine | 04:17 |
| zakame | raphink: recoving as in recovering deleted files? | 04:17 |
| Yagisan | that was quick | 04:18 |
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| Yagisan | raphink: what sort of data do you need recovered ? | 04:18 |
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| raphink | zakame: any idea? | 04:19 |
| raphink | Yagisan: read up | 04:20 |
| zakame | raphink: recoving as in recovering deleted files? | 04:20 |
| raphink | Yagisan: I just `rm -rf /var/sidchroot' forgetting my /home was mounted on it | 04:20 |
| raphink | zakame: yes | 04:20 |
| raphink | I lost most of my docs | 04:20 |
| raphink | i dont' really mind about my docs | 04:21 |
| Yagisan | raphink: oh dear - are you still using the box ? | 04:21 |
| raphink | but I lost my sister's docs aswell | 04:21 |
| raphink | and I'm pretty sure she didn't backup anything | 04:21 |
| zakame | raphink: well iirc one could do some debug2fs hacking, but that's bloody :/ | 04:21 |
| raphink | yes | 04:21 |
| zakame | it's basically a hit-or-miss approach | 04:21 |
| raphink | :s | 04:22 |
| raphink | I basically deleted 90% of my sister's docs and settings | 04:22 |
| zakame | WHOA | 04:22 |
| Yagisan | raphink: crap - thats not good. best chance you have of recovering data is to dd /dev/hda and pipe it somewhere, eg another box with netcat | 04:22 |
| zakame | and if it's in ext3... well, that's very hard :(( | 04:23 |
| Yagisan | then you need to run pyflag over the dd image to recover the data | 04:23 |
| raphink | yes it's ext3 | 04:23 |
| Yagisan | that's what I do at work, it's time consuming | 04:23 |
| raphink | will taht work if I boot from a live CD and run it? | 04:24 |
| Yagisan | but the less you use the box, the better your chances of recovering the data | 04:24 |
| Yagisan | raphink: pyflag IIRC is not in ubuntu :( | 04:24 |
| Yagisan | raphink: was /home a seperate partition ? | 04:24 |
| raphink | so I should just halt the system if I want to have a chance to recover? | 04:24 |
| raphink | Yagisan: yes | 04:25 |
| Yagisan | raphink: oh that's good news. do you have enough space on another partition to make an image of home ? | 04:25 |
| raphink | no | 04:25 |
| raphink | on another comp maybe | 04:26 |
| Yagisan | raphink: can you access that other comp with eg nfs or samba ? | 04:26 |
| raphink | it's not set | 04:26 |
| Yagisan | raphink: the less you write to /home the better your chance of recovering the data | 04:27 |
| raphink | yes | 04:27 |
| Yagisan | raphink: you can't log out, because you killed /home, you'll have a hard time logging in | 04:27 |
| raphink | I'll reboot with knoppix that'll be safer | 04:27 |
| raphink | I didn' tkill /home | 04:27 |
| raphink | I already rebooted since I removed the files :s | 04:28 |
| Yagisan | raphink: I'd set up that other box now, and dd your home partition to an image there | 04:28 |
| raphink | dd? | 04:28 |
| zakame | back | 04:28 |
| Yagisan | raphink: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/mnt/savemyarse/home.img | 04:29 |
| zakame | disk duplicate/dump | 04:29 |
| Yagisan | change hda1 to what your partition was | 04:29 |
| raphink | yes | 04:29 |
| raphink | is | 04:29 |
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| Yagisan | zakame: reminds me of work this. Did I mention I do data recovery ? | 04:30 |
| zakame | heya seth_k|lappy :) | 04:31 |
| zakame | Yagisan: w00t | 04:31 |
| jsgotangco | Yagisan, $$$ | 04:31 |
| seth_k|lappy | heya zakame :) how's tricks | 04:31 |
| Yagisan | If he was in sydney, he could drop the box off today | 04:31 |
| zakame | tricks? | 04:31 |
| Yagisan | anyway, if he doesn't get the dd done quickly, he'll have 0 chance of recovering his data | 04:32 |
| Kyral | Morning MOTU | 04:32 |
| zakame | hi Kyral :) | 04:33 |
| Yagisan | G'day Kyral | 04:33 |
| Yagisan | I'll be heading off to bed soon. zakame no other ideas on why my rules voodoo fails ? | 04:34 |
| zakame | Yagisan: is this package available somewhere so I could d-l and check? | 04:34 |
| zakame | (I'll be in bed rsn myself ;) | 04:34 |
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| Yagisan | zakame: I'll put the current work in progress up in just a sec | 04:35 |
| Yagisan | just waiting on another build to see if that helps | 04:36 |
| seth_k|lappy | zakame, things, work, whatever :P | 04:36 |
| Yagisan | zakame: you'll need to add my private repo to your list if you want the extra amd64 build deps though | 04:37 |
| zakame | seth_k|lappy: ah :) well, here doing some edits for DebootstrapChroot | 04:37 |
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| zakame | k | 04:38 |
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| raphink | hi again | 04:41 |
| zakame | wb raphink :) | 04:43 |
| raphink | Yagisan, I'm on knoppix now | 04:43 |
| raphink | ty zakame | 04:43 |
| raphink | my /home is not mounted anymore | 04:43 |
| raphink | so there's no risk of altering it no more | 04:43 |
| raphink | now what shall I do? | 04:43 |
| raphink | ;s | 04:44 |
| Yagisan | raphink: caught me just before leaving for bed | 04:45 |
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| raphink | huhu | 04:45 |
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| raphink | Yagisan, see my pb is that my /home is far bigger than any other partition I have here | 04:45 |
| Yagisan | raphink: is the other box up and running, and accessible over the network ? | 04:45 |
| raphink | yes | 04:45 |
| Yagisan | raphink: I never work on the raw partition, only images - so I can't fuck up | 04:46 |
| raphink | mhm | 04:46 |
| Yagisan | raphink: can you mount a directory on the other box ? | 04:46 |
| raphink | well the /home I want to work on is 107.57GB, with 26.61GB currently used | 04:46 |
| raphink | I can do anything on the other box, over ssh | 04:46 |
| Yagisan | raphink: and you will need to search 107.57GB to find that 26.61GB of data | 04:47 |
| raphink | yes | 04:47 |
| raphink | the pb is that nowhere except on /home do I have more than 100GB of HD | 04:47 |
| raphink | the other box is less than 60GB | 04:47 |
| raphink | and this one's / is about 6GB | 04:48 |
| raphink | and i guess it wouldn't be a a good idea to play with LVM | 04:48 |
| raphink | that wouldn't help recovering | 04:48 |
| Yagisan | raphink: wish you were here, you could drop the box off at my office | 04:48 |
| raphink | :s | 04:48 |
| Yagisan | raphink: just a sec - I'll see if I can find a live recovery cd | 04:48 |
| raphink | hmm | 04:49 |
| raphink | doesnt knoppix have some tools for that? | 04:49 |
| Yagisan | raphink: you need a more specialised cd, I'm afraid | 04:50 |
| raphink | hmmm | 04:50 |
| raphink | I don't know how I'm going to burn a CD with no /home | 04:50 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:50 |
| raphink | well I can burn it on the other box ;) | 04:50 |
| Yagisan | raphink: don't worry, your not screwed yet - you may be when your sister finds out, but not yet | 04:51 |
| raphink | oh no worries I called her to tell her ;) | 04:51 |
| raphink | she said she'd like to recover her pics | 04:51 |
| raphink | but apart from that heh she just had to backup her stuff ;) | 04:51 |
| raphink | she said it herself so no I'm not screwed ;) | 04:51 |
| raphink | although I'd like to recover the data ;) | 04:55 |
| Yagisan | raphink: http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_tools | 04:56 |
| zakame | gn8 all :) | 04:56 |
| raphink | gn8 zakame | 04:56 |
| Yagisan | that may help you - it has ext2 recovery | 04:57 |
| raphink | it's ext3 | 04:57 |
| Yagisan | zakame: night | 04:57 |
| Yagisan | raphink: ext3 == ext2 + journal (another file) | 04:57 |
| zakame | gn8 raphink , Yagisan :) | 04:57 |
| Yagisan | zakame: I have a link for you | 04:58 |
| Yagisan | zakame http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/voodoo_magic_here/ | 04:59 |
| zakame | got it ;) | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | Yagisan, those chroot and pbuilder wiki pages are quite outdated btw, zakame was very helpful in updating them, i got them working already | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | thanks for the help earlier | 04:59 |
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| zakame | no problem :) | 04:59 |
| zakame | wb koke | 05:00 |
| Yagisan | jsgotangco: your welcome, sorry I couldn't be more helpful | 05:00 |
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| raphink | 14106624 inodes scanned, 0 deleted files found | 05:33 |
| raphink | :( | 05:33 |
| Yagisan | raphink: oh dear, you need in-depth forensics to recover you data then | 05:34 |
| Yagisan | raphink: http://www.e-fense.com/helix/contents.php that should have pyflag on it, but you'll need to make an image of the data | 05:36 |
| Yagisan | raphink: need to go now, baby waking up | 05:36 |
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| raphink | ok | 05:38 |
| raphink | unfortunately I don't have any HD that is large enough to make an image of the data | 05:39 |
| raphink | Yagisan, I give up on recovering... | 05:46 |
| raphink | but I'll set up a backup system here | 05:46 |
| Yagisan | raphink: for future perhaps sbackup would help ? | 05:46 |
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| raphink | sbackup Yagisan ? | 05:53 |
| Yagisan | raphink: Its in universe - I use it for my home box. seems like a nice backup tool | 05:54 |
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| raphink | I'm on KDE, so i'd like a qt tool better ;) | 05:56 |
| raphink | I was asked to package Keep a few hours ago | 05:56 |
| raphink | ;:) | 05:56 |
| raphink | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32984 | 05:56 |
| raphink | this was kind of calling me it seems ;) | 05:56 |
| Yagisan | raphink: qt, gtk - I don't care as long as it does the job right. | 05:57 |
| raphink | Yagisan: actually, my idea is that there are two comps on this network, so I could backup comp 1 on comp 2 and vice versa | 05:57 |
| Yagisan | raphink: until gmailfs broke, I had a copy on gmailfs, one on dvd at home, and one on dvd offsite | 05:59 |
| raphink | hehe | 05:59 |
| raphink | I do care ;) | 05:59 |
| raphink | I think I'll be reviewing more in the next few days | 05:59 |
| raphink | since I can't package anymore, having deleted my private key from this comp | 05:59 |
| raphink | ;) | 05:59 |
| raphink | mhm | 06:00 |
| Yagisan | raphink: thats why I have at least 2 backups now | 06:00 |
| raphink | hehe | 06:01 |
| Yagisan | raphink: I also know the pain of losing /home. thats why my /home is now a 600GB RAID5 array | 06:02 |
| raphink | hehe | 06:03 |
| raphink | well heh | 06:03 |
| Lathiat | not raid6? :) | 06:04 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: because I ran out of money at the shop, and ubuntu doesn't support my two remaining ide ports | 06:04 |
| Lathiat | could have been 400GB raid6 :) | 06:05 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: in dapper I think my two remain ports will be supported, I'll try to go for an 800GB raid5 out of 5 200GB drives | 06:07 |
| Yagisan | It would be cool for a desktop box | 06:08 |
| Lathiat | depends if you want more space or more redundancy ig uess :) | 06:08 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: If I toss the cd-rom, and get 3 drives, I can get raid6 | 06:08 |
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| Yagisan | Lathiat: how much storage do you have on your box ? | 06:10 |
| Lathiat | i have 2 laptops, 60G and 40G :) | 06:10 |
| Lathiat | i do have a box here with 5x200G in raid1+0 + hotspare tho | 06:10 |
| Lathiat | sadly not mine :) | 06:10 |
| Lathiat | raid1+0 for reasons of seek performance | 06:11 |
| Lathiat | in that raid1+0 allows you to do two requests at once | 06:11 |
| Lathiat | as opposed to raid5 where each hit read or write hits all disks | 06:11 |
| Lathiat | where as reads only hit 2/4 | 06:12 |
| Lathiat | with 1+0 | 06:12 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: yeah, but I have an uneven number of disks, so raid 5 was the only (decent) choice | 06:12 |
| Lathiat | right, and common | 06:12 |
| Lathiat | does raid6 need an even number of drives? | 06:13 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: 4 minimum | 06:13 |
| Yagisan | but same speed penalty as raid5 | 06:13 |
| Lathiat | with 4 drives raid6 is basically pointless, may as well raid1+0 ? | 06:14 |
| Lathiat | actually, i suppose that raid6 lets two disks die | 06:14 |
| Lathiat | with raid1+0, it depends which disks | 06:14 |
| Yagisan | reading seems rather good with in-kernel raid5, writes hammer the pci bus though | 06:14 |
| Lathiat | if two fo the wrong disks die then yoru fooked | 06:14 |
| Lathiat | Yagisan: this box here has a pci-x sata card | 06:14 |
| Lathiat | sata_sil24 driver | 06:14 |
| Lathiat | i can pull 60M/s off 4 disks at once | 06:15 |
| Lathiat | 5th disk didnt get any faster tho | 06:15 |
| Lathiat | not sure where the limitation in that is | 06:15 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: well, the I in raid is inexpensive, that's why we have backups, and backups of backups, and we test them too | 06:15 |
| Lathiat | ;) | 06:15 |
| Lathiat | anyway | 06:16 |
| Lathiat | -> bed | 06:16 |
| Lathiat | night :) | 06:16 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: I have standard 32bit 33Mhz pci bus here | 06:16 |
| Yagisan | night, wow 4am already | 06:16 |
| Lathiat | Yagisan: yeh thatd suck a bit, this box is dual opteron :) | 06:16 |
| Lathiat | Wed Dec 28 01:13:48 WST 2005 | 06:16 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: single amd64 here | 06:16 |
| Lathiat | Yagisan: linux swraid kicks ass tho | 06:16 |
| Lathiat | leaving comment.. honest ;) | 06:16 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: I was impressed, it beat pci raid cards | 06:17 |
| Lathiat | i know freebsd die-hards who use linux because its software raid craps all over freebsds, and in many cases outperforms hardware cards | 06:17 |
| Lathiat | also has the advantage of being usable over multiple controllers and even interface types, and not the need to replace the card with the same card | 06:17 |
| Lathiat | e.g. if your raid card dies, and you dont get the exact same or similar card, you lose all your data | 06:17 |
| Yagisan | :) yep | 06:17 |
| === Yagisan already uses two desperate interfaces, SATA, and PATA | ||
| === Lathiat nod | ||
| Lathiat | s | 06:18 |
| Lathiat | anyway, enjoy. night. | 06:18 |
| raptoid | yes can | 06:19 |
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| Yagisan | hmm, I make nice typos | 06:19 |
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| \sh | ogra: ping works? | 07:18 |
| ogra | didnt try yet | 07:19 |
| ogra | i was waiting for your ok | 07:19 |
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| \sh | new wine is coming today | 07:49 |
| \sh | for dapper :) | 07:49 |
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| \sh | moins siretart | 07:54 |
| siretart | huhu \sh | 07:56 |
| steve132 | hey, um I am a bit lost... I would like to help motu with a particular package, but I do not know where to start. | 07:57 |
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| Yagisan | for all those interested, initial upload of my ia32-libs-universe work-in-progress is here http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1318 | 08:23 |
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| slomo | gn8 Yagisan :) | 08:25 |
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| JohnnyMast | any motu around ? | 09:10 |
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| crimsun | JohnnyMast: ? | 09:20 |
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| cmatheson | hey guys, been using ubuntu for the past seven months or so and i want to get involved now. what needs doing? | 09:30 |
| crimsun | see the merge list | 09:30 |
| crimsun | (topic) | 09:30 |
| JohnnyMast | crimsun sorry for the late reply. But i have a package on revu but there is a new version out then the one im packing. When i put a new version up with the new app version inside would it be bad ? | 09:31 |
| tseng | no | 09:31 |
| crimsun | JohnnyMast: no, just make sure to ask one of the REVU admins to remove the older | 09:32 |
| JohnnyMast | is one around ? | 09:32 |
| crimsun | JohnnyMast: ask ajmitch, siretart, or \sh about removing the older version from REVU | 09:33 |
| JohnnyMast | thanks for the info lads | 09:33 |
| JohnnyMast | okey | 09:33 |
| cmatheson | crimsun: anyone can merge stuff? | 09:34 |
| crimsun | cmatheson: yes | 09:34 |
| crimsun | (granted only those of us with upload privs can upload them) | 09:34 |
| cmatheson | crimsun: ok cool | 09:34 |
| cmatheson | generally what is involved in a merge (aside from re-compiling?) | 09:35 |
| crimsun | generally you pick a merge, use the lp.py scripts to do the launchpad magic, attach a confirmed-working debdiff against the newer debian version, and ping a MOTU | 09:35 |
| cmatheson | crimsun: ok, i'm gonna look into that thanks | 09:36 |
| crimsun | Starting with the REPORT, you should check if the newer debian packaging has incorporated ubuntu's changes. If so, you can mark the package as a sync, otherwise you'll have to inspect the -dropped diff and hand-merge. | 09:37 |
| cmatheson | crimsun: the REPORT is something that the MOTU gives back to me or what is that? | 09:38 |
| crimsun | cmatheson: no, it's in the MoM directory | 09:38 |
| crimsun | Each active link (merge) on http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new is into the associated MoM directory | 09:39 |
| cmatheson | oooh, ok, i think i gotta lot of stuff to read right now | 09:39 |
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| cmatheson | so let me make sure i have this right... i can choose any of the UNASSIGNED packages on http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new and work on those, assumign i file the correct but report. after i make a debdiff i talk to someone in here about it (and i mark the bug 'pending upload') | 09:53 |
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| crimsun | cmatheson: essentially, yes. | 09:56 |
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| Kyral | Oh fun | 11:31 |
| Kyral | I get to compare a Gentoo list against Apt | 11:32 |
| \sh | what? | 11:32 |
| \sh | what will you compare? apple and cherries? | 11:33 |
| Kyral | no | 11:33 |
| Kyral | I was given the World file from our old build and told to check it against Apt to see what is there and what isn't | 11:34 |
| Kyral | and its complicated by the difference categories | 11:36 |
| \sh | don't think about the cats :) | 11:37 |
| Kyral | yah well | 11:37 |
| Kyral | for emacs its "app-emacs/session" | 11:37 |
| Kyral | I saw an entry for "kde-base/kde-env" | 11:37 |
| \sh | yes... | 11:37 |
| \sh | because gentoo has a different package scheme | 11:38 |
| Kyral | I see KDE-Base anything I'm gonna assume its under Kubuntu-Desktop | 11:38 |
| \sh | no | 11:38 |
| Kyral | \sh: I know I used Gentoo before Ubuntu | 11:38 |
| \sh | kdebase in gentoo is a meta build | 11:38 |
| Kyral | then what is kde-env? | 11:38 |
| \sh | check /etc/env.d/ | 11:38 |
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| \sh | if you emerge different versions of kde then you have different kde environments | 11:39 |
| Kyral | I'm gonna have to got through the descriptions of these oy | 11:39 |
| \sh | sure :) | 11:39 |
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| Kyral | I half a mind to make a shell script to do the first pass | 11:42 |
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| Kyral | Maybe I shouldn't be doing this on Dapper... | 12:01 |
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