[12:04] <crimsun> (I blame gnome-menus or something ;-)
[12:07] <raphink> pfff
[12:08] <slomo> yes, let's blame seb ;)
[12:09] <raphink> lol
[12:33] <raphink> hi ogra_ibook
[06:25] <Yagisan> G'day All
[06:26] <Yagisan> If I want to redefine LD_LIBRARY_PATH so an app looks for it's libraries in a different path, it should be sufficient to put
[06:26] <Yagisan> LD_LIBRARY_PATH = /lib32 /usr/lib32 /usr/X11R6/lib32 /lib /usr/lib in debian/rules right ?
[06:28] <Lathiat> isnt it LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib32:/usr/lib32:/usr/X11R6/lib32....
[06:30] <Yagisan> thanks Lathiat: I'm over-tired today and doing typos in my rules files
[06:37] <Yagisan> Lathiat: that didn't seem to work. I got a FTBFS again because it tried to use the library in /usr/lib rather then /usr/lib32 :(
[06:38] <crimsun> ./configure needs it in LDFLAGS
[06:41] <Yagisan> crimsun: thank you. I need a few working test cases for my ia32-libs-universe package
[06:43] <crimsun> my guess is anything game-related
[06:45] <Lathiat> so what exactly is in ia32-libs?
[06:54] <Yagisan> sorry guys - had to leave. My daughter  jumped off the dining table trying to fly and I needed to administer first aid :(
[06:55] <crimsun> sounds like me some 20 years ago.
[06:55] <Yagisan> re: ia32-linbs-universe: currently sdl packages to get some games working, and I plan to put in whatever is needed to get wine going
[06:56] <Yagisan> crimsun, so you'd be about 22 then ?
[06:56] <Yagisan> my initial test cases are deng (not yet in ubuntu) zsnes and wine. Feel free to suggest others
[06:57] <crimsun> Yagisan: +4
[06:58] <crimsun> speaking of wine, are we going to merge it from Sid?
[07:00] <Yagisan> crimsun: I don't know, the winehq guys have popped out either 0.9.3 or 0.9.4 now in their repo
[07:00] <Yagisan> crimsun: IIRC ubuntu uses their package
[07:00] <crimsun> those are supposed to be less stable than 0.9
[07:01] <crimsun> according to Scott, who was fairly active in getting Hoary's wine up to speed
[07:01] <Yagisan> crimsun: to be honest, I have had regressions in every wine release after hoary shipped
[07:02] <crimsun> hmm.
[07:02] <Yagisan> crimsun: I mainly use it for gpl apps that are Win only, or 1 or 2 games I have form '95
[07:02] <Yagisan> crimsun: but some people need it, so I'd like to see it running on amd64
[07:03] <Yagisan> crimsun: I figured I could get some package magic working until real multiarch is done
[07:04] <crimsun> you probably want to coordinate with Tollef and Jeff on that, then
[07:04] <crimsun> I hear there are going to be some nasties in Dapper+1
[07:06] <Yagisan> oh ? I figured it would be a simple case of adding some extra 32bit libs and some patches to rules and control to get this band-aid working
[07:07] <crimsun> the band-aid will suffice for Dapper, probably, but it won't work for Dapper+1
[07:07] <crimsun> they have a much better idea of the transition than I do, though
[07:08] <Yagisan> crimsun: ok. I hope to have it ready for dapper. I'd rather not keep it around after dapper, as I'd prefer true multi-arch
[07:10] <Yagisan> crimsun: I already had siretart volunteer to test packages when ready, are you also interested ?
[07:11] <crimsun> Yagisan: I don't have an amd64 desktop, only a pbuilder some 3000 km away
[07:14] <Yagisan> crimsun: santa didn't get you one ? that's ok. santa didn't get me my ppc system for christmas either
[07:16] <crimsun> Yagisan: no, Santa brought me uninterrupted sleep instead.
[07:17] <Yagisan> crimsun: lucky you. Santa brought me a large hole in my wallet, and a severe lack of sleep since then
[07:17] <crimsun> Yagisan: :)
[07:19] <Yagisan> crimsun: It's called the "joy" of 2 under 2
[07:20] <smallfoot> hi
[07:20] <smallfoot> what is this channel about?
[07:20] <crimsun> read the topic.
[07:20] <smallfoot> and why is there is so many damn ubuntu channels?
[07:20] <smallfoot> and can you please tell that guy crimsun not unban me
[07:20] <jsgotangco> because we're so damn many?
[07:21] <smallfoot> lol
[07:21] <smallfoot> oh
[07:21] <smallfoot> ok
[07:21] <smallfoot> i guess its good idea have many chans then
[07:21] <jsgotangco> crimsun, please unban smallfoot please... :D
[07:21] <smallfoot> yeh, pwetty please
[07:21] <crimsun> sorry, can't unban him here ;)
[07:21] <smallfoot> is ubuntu the most used linux of all distros?
[07:23] <jsgotangco> err why?
[07:23] <Yagisan> wOOt! I found yet another way to make deng FTBFS
[07:23] <smallfoot> because you said to him plz unban me
[07:23] <smallfoot> deng FTBFS?
[07:23] <jsgotangco> smallfoot, you really believed that? :D
[07:23] <smallfoot> ye
[07:24] <smallfoot> lol
[07:24] <smallfoot> warthy is newer than breeze badger?
[07:26] <smallfoot> can you use 'su' on ubuntu?
[07:26] <lifeless> smallfoot: no
[07:26] <lifeless> smallfoot: warty was first
[07:26] <smallfoot> ok
[07:27] <smallfoot> which one was before hoary hedgehog?
[07:27] <Yagisan> u410
[07:27] <smallfoot> if you cant use 'su' on ubuntu then it sucks
[07:27] <smallfoot> it sucks that must type sudo everytime before use a command
[07:27] <smallfoot> well, its so strange
[07:28] <smallfoot> i understand why its no root account, since that page says the benefit of no root
[07:28] <jsgotangco> smallfoot, its like this
[07:28] <Yagisan> smallfoot: You have no understanding of of system accountability do you ?
[07:28] <smallfoot> but then again, many telnet and ssh dont allow remote root login so it dont matter
[07:28] <smallfoot> i dont know, maybe
[07:28] <jsgotangco> smallfoot, if you know the difference of su and sudo you'll know the benefits
[07:28] <smallfoot> iknow different
[07:28] <jsgotangco> tell me
[07:28] <jsgotangco> what is the most obvious difference
[07:28] <smallfoot> sudo run command, su give you privilieges
[07:28] <jsgotangco> no
[07:28] <jsgotangco> strike 1
[07:28] <smallfoot> damn
[07:29] <jsgotangco> just tell me the most obvious benefit of ussing sudo from su
[07:29] <smallfoot> sudo can run command immediately by 1 command instead of first use su, then type command
[07:30] <jsgotangco> no no let's not talk about semantics
[07:30] <jsgotangco> its pretty simple really
[07:30] <smallfoot> ok then i dont know
[07:30] <smallfoot> to me, is the same
[07:30] <smallfoot> both have power
[07:30] <Yagisan> so do batteries and power sockets
[07:31] <Yagisan> but they are not the same
[07:33] <smallfoot> ok
[07:33] <smallfoot> who make all fancy names
[07:33] <smallfoot> like hoary hedgehog, breezy badger, war warthog
[07:33] <smallfoot> ?
[07:34] <Yagisan> the boss
[07:35] <smallfoot> ok
[07:35] <smallfoot> what if i make trademark on warty warthog??
[07:35] <smallfoot> and breezy badger??
[07:35] <Yagisan> the boss will sue your arse off the face of the planet
[07:35] <method> Canonical might own the trademarks.
[07:35] <Yagisan> I expect they would
[07:36] <smallfoot> ok
[07:36] <method> That's what corporations are for.
[07:36] <smallfoot> guys tell that guy crimsun to unban me from the other channels
[07:36] <smallfoot> mum says i must go sleep and close computer
[07:36] <smallfoot> bye!!!
[07:36] <method> What did you do?
[07:36] <Yagisan> crimsum - please ban smallfoot from ALL channels
[07:37] <crimsun> good thing I don't have that sort of privilege ;)
[07:37] <lifeless> apparently he is a swedish gorilla
[07:37] <smallfoot> wtf????
[07:37] <smallfoot> WHY??
[07:37] <smallfoot> LOLOL IM NOT MONKEY!!
[07:38] <smallfoot> please dont ban me from all channels
[07:38] <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode]  -!- smallfoot [i=gorilla@c-a25b70d5.041-5-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] 
[07:38] <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode]  -!-  ircname  : gorilla
[07:38] <smallfoot> please unban me from all chaanels
[07:38] <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode]  -!-  channels : #ubuntu-motu
[07:38] <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode]  -!-  server   : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/] 
[07:38] <lifeless> looks like a gorilla to me;)
[07:38] <smallfoot> OH YEH SMART GUY
[07:38] <lifeless> 17:37 [freenode]  -!- End of WHOIS
[07:38] <smallfoot> lololol
[07:38] <crimsun> smallfoot: rest assured that I won't (un)ban you from all channels
[07:38] <smallfoot> hmm
[07:38] <smallfoot> ok
[07:38] <smallfoot> =/
[07:39] <smallfoot> you guys should be lucky i dont have ops!!
[07:39] <smallfoot> i would ban everybody!!
[07:39] <Hobbsee> hehe @ crimsun
[07:39] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:39] <smallfoot> Hobbsee, you have the cute
[07:39] <jsgotangco> come on let's play warcraft
[07:40] <smallfoot> yeh
[07:40] <smallfoot> tell me your guys name in warcraft
[07:40] <smallfoot> then if you dont give me all your item, my guild will hunt you!!
[07:40] <jsgotangco> yeah right
[07:41] <smallfoot> ok
[07:41] <smallfoot> mom get angry
[07:41] <lifeless> smallfoot: please take this to #warcrat or something, its off topic here
[07:41] <smallfoot> i must close computer
[07:41] <smallfoot> bye!!
[07:42] <Yagisan> this is so funny, and yet so sad
[07:42] <Yagisan> I'd say about 10 yrs
[07:42] <jsgotangco> when i started on linux, i had a lot of questions but i didnt annoy people (im pretty sure of it)
[07:43] <Yagisan> I still have lots of questions, but the best way to learn is to do it
[07:43] <Yagisan> speaking of which
[07:44] <lifeless> Yagisan: I think 10 could only be physical, not mental age.
[07:45] <Yagisan> lifeless: possibly. btw if you are who I think you are, did you get your laptop fixed from udu ?
[07:45] <lifeless> erm, @ udu - my laptop was working, but the hinge was getting worse and worse
[07:46] <lifeless> I cannot open the hinge any more at all as of about 5 months back, I bought a dell x1, still have not managed to get the manufacturer to respond to get the hoverbook fixed.
[07:46] <Yagisan> lifeless: yep - thats the one.
[07:47] <Yagisan> lifeless: I met you, IIRC your in Sydney right
[07:47] <lifeless> yes
[07:47] <lifeless> up epping way
[07:47] <jsgotangco> oh you were there?
[07:48] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yep. It was nice - I went for proactive security
[07:48] <jsgotangco> you were at the UDU keysigning?
[07:48] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yes - before terrible disaster struck
[07:48] <Yagisan> brb
[07:48] <jsgotangco> wow so we got to meet but didnt chat at all lol
[07:49] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: that sucks :(
[07:50] <jsgotangco> what's your full name i might have signed it
[07:51] <jsgotangco> right
[07:51] <Yagisan> lifeless: I'm down in lidcombe. perhaps one day when you're not busy, I could meet up with you for a key signing ?
[07:52] <lifeless> sure
[07:52] <lifeless> I work from home, so ;)
[07:55] <Yagisan> lifeless: heh - so do I
[07:57] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: It's funny - I've probably met most people here, yet I can't remember what they look like
[07:57] <Hobbsee> more people from sydney - oh good!
[07:58] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: so where are you ?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> around near dural
[07:59] <Yagisan> that's not too far away, a pain to get to via public transport though
[08:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, i can drive, fortunately
[08:00] <Hobbsee> actually, cherrybrook is a closer location
[08:00] <Hobbsee> hehe nice, at epping?
[08:00] <Yagisan> nope, that's lifeless. I'm at licombe
[08:01] <Hobbsee> ah, right, yep
[08:01] <Yagisan> it could be worse, eg auburn, bankstown, lakemba etc
[08:02] <Yagisan> wOOt "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[08:02] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[08:04] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: so, what are you working on now ?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> right now?  i'm a little dazed to work on this second, but i was doing a version of ksudoku earlier...
[08:05] <Yagisan> I do my best work when I'm out of it ;)
[08:05] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[08:05] <Hobbsee> i just got home from work
[08:07] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: are you are motu yet ?
[08:08] <Hobbsee> no
[08:08] <Hobbsee> i usually end up sending stuff through Riddell-awa
[08:12] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I just send my stuff to revu, and await the "we can't have this in ubuntu, because upstream is needs to be beaten with a cluebat" comments
[08:12] <Hobbsee> hehe great
[08:12] <jsgotangco> has anyone verified http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ch02.html if it works
[08:14] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I just read it. there are typos and it won't work as is
[08:15] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: most of it is fine
[08:15] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: perhaps a cut & paste error from the wiki ?
[08:15] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, where is the orignial wiki entry?
[08:15] <jsgotangco> its from docbook source
[08:16] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[08:16] <jsgotangco> ok i'll check it out
[08:17] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: the wiki one works fine
[08:17] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto doesn't apply?
[08:18] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: it does.
[08:18] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: both are useful. 1st one esp for amd64 users
[08:18] <jsgotangco> ok so i do DebootstrapChroot first right?
[08:19] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yes
[08:19] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: wait - is this for developing packages ?
[08:20] <jsgotangco> i just want to try it out
[08:20] <jsgotangco> i assume i just change the lines that says breezy to dapper
[08:21] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, but right, for creating packages, wanted to verify the steps being done for documentation
[08:22] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: for building packages Pbuilder howto is good, but it will only build a pbuilder for your arch
[08:23] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: if you need to build a pbuilder for another arch, ie i386 on an amd64 system it is a little bit more involved
[08:24] <jsgotangco> i'll go first to debootstrap and see how it goes
[08:25] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: debootstrap will give you a chroot - good for doing test installs of your package
[08:25] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: but I strongly recommend you do the pbuilder howto to set up your build environment
[08:25] <jsgotangco> what do i do first?
[08:26] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: what is your arch ?
[08:26] <jsgotangco> 386
[08:29] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: do pbuilder first to set up a build environment
[08:29] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: do you have apt-cacher set up ?
[08:29] <jsgotangco> hmm nope
[08:31] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: If you don't have a fat pipe, then we should set one up first, then pbuilder
[08:33] <jsgotangco> should i chnage all references of breezy to dapper?
[08:33] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: ping me if you need help with apt-cacher. yes you can change breezy to dapper, or hoary for that matter
[08:34] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, got spare time now?
[08:34] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: some
[08:35] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I installed apt-cacher on my firewall box
[08:35] <jsgotangco> ahh
[08:38] <jsgotangco> i always get perm denied on this line
[08:38] <jsgotangco> $ sudo echo APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; >  /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated
[08:40] <Yagisan> odd. Try this sudo `echo APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; >  /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated`
[08:40] <Yagisan> if not, I'll dcc you the file
[08:49] <jsgotangco> strange
[09:40] <jsgotangco> nice shell
[09:42] <zakame> shell?
[09:42] <jsgotangco> metawire
[09:42] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:42] <zakame> ah :)
[11:39] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, ping
[01:11] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: pong
[01:20] <Gloubiboulga> salut pef
[01:20] <pef> Gloubiboulga: salut :)
[01:20] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, hello. Still around ?
[01:20] <slomo_> sure
[01:21] <Gloubiboulga> do you have time to review my package slomo_ ?
[01:21] <slomo_> hmm, later... not now ;)
[01:21] <Gloubiboulga> np
[01:21] <pef> Gloubiboulga: url ? :)
[01:22] <Gloubiboulga> pef, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1294 merci
[01:22] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[02:24] <zakame> evening fellow MOTUs :)
[02:28] <zakame> cool, package.qa.debian.org already incorporates ubuntu patches from Keybuk :)
[02:31] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, hi
[02:32] <zakame> heya Gloubiboulga :)
[02:32] <Gloubiboulga> I have a little question for you zakame (and other MOTUs)
[02:32] <zakame> go ahead :)
[02:33] <Gloubiboulga> I'm working on a package, and the source dir contains a .bat and several backup files
[02:33] <Gloubiboulga> should I remove all this from the .orig.tar.gz ?
[02:33] <slomo_> no
[02:33] <slomo_> only when it makes the package harder or impossible
[02:33] <zakame> backup files as in .*~ and ^#.*# ?
[02:33] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, yep
[02:34] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, ok.
[02:34] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: there are very few reasons you can remove something from an orig.tar.gz
[02:34] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: dpkg-source will clean them anyway on package build, so you don't have to touch them ;)
[02:34] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: just ignore the backup files
[02:34] <Gloubiboulga> ok, I'll ignore all this files :)
[02:34] <Gloubiboulga> thanks Masters
[02:37] <Yagisan> slomo_: could I bother you for a bit ? I'd like to dcc you a rules file, a build log & see if you can help me see what I stuffed up
[02:38] <slomo_> yes, sure... but i've to leave in ~30 minutes
[02:39] <Yagisan> thanks slomo_
[02:40] <nomed> hi all
[02:40] <nomed> is there any xubntu devel here ?
[02:40] <nomed> *xubuntu*
[02:41] <nomed> i think some packages need some changes
[02:44] <Hieronymus> nomed: just file a bug?
[02:44] <nomed> Hieronymus, it's not a bug ...
[02:45] <nomed> but for ex .. should xfdesktop be a modular pkge ?
[02:45] <nomed> xfdesktop + xfce4-menu ?
[02:45] <nomed> or should ivman be modular ?
[02:45] <nomed> like ivman-kde + ivman-xfce + ivman ?
[02:45] <nomed> and so on ..
[02:48] <Hieronymus> nomed: no idea
[02:48] <zakame> nomed: perhaps posting something about that to ubuntu-devel ML would be better
[02:48] <zakame> brb MOTUs
[02:54] <siretart> nomed: janimo is your man for xfce. I think a post to our mailing list would be the best way to reach him
[02:55] <nomed> so for xubuntu ubuntu-motu list is fine ...
[02:55] <nomed> k
[02:55] <nomed> thanks
[02:56] <siretart> sure.
[02:56] <siretart> perhaps even ubuntu-devel
[03:08] <zakame> waah nufw has so many lintian errors, and I haven't even touched it :(
[03:50] <jinty> ajmitch: ping
[03:51] <Yagisan> jinty: it's almost 4am in new zealand, it'll be a while before you get a pong
[03:52] <jinty> Yagidan: thanks;) didn't realize
[03:53] <Yagisan> no worries mate
[04:10] <zakame> Unfrgiven: ping
[04:10] <zakame> (er prolly early morning too)
[04:13] <zakame> wb raphink :)
[04:16] <raphink> zakame: do you knwo of a way to recover data ?
[04:17] <raphink> I had instaled two chroots on this machine
[04:17] <zakame> raphink: recoving as in recovering deleted files?
[04:18] <Yagisan> that was quick
[04:18] <Yagisan> raphink: what sort of data do you need recovered ?
[04:19] <raphink> zakame: any idea?
[04:20] <raphink> Yagisan: read up
[04:20] <zakame> raphink: recoving as in recovering deleted files?
[04:20] <raphink> Yagisan: I just `rm -rf /var/sidchroot' forgetting my /home was mounted on it
[04:20] <raphink> zakame: yes
[04:20] <raphink> I lost most of my docs
[04:21] <raphink> i dont' really mind about my docs
[04:21] <Yagisan> raphink: oh dear - are you still using the box ?
[04:21] <raphink> but I lost my sister's docs aswell
[04:21] <raphink> and I'm pretty sure she didn't backup anything
[04:21] <zakame> raphink: well iirc one could do some debug2fs hacking, but that's bloody :/
[04:21] <raphink> yes
[04:21] <zakame> it's basically a hit-or-miss approach
[04:22] <raphink> :s
[04:22] <raphink> I basically deleted 90% of my sister's docs and settings
[04:22] <zakame> WHOA
[04:22] <Yagisan> raphink: crap - thats not good. best chance you have of recovering data is to dd /dev/hda and pipe it somewhere, eg another box with netcat
[04:23] <zakame> and if it's in ext3... well, that's very hard :((
[04:23] <Yagisan> then you need to run pyflag over the dd image to recover the data
[04:23] <raphink> yes it's ext3
[04:23] <Yagisan> that's what I do at work, it's time consuming
[04:24] <raphink> will taht work if I boot from a live CD and run it?
[04:24] <Yagisan> but the less you use the box, the better your chances of recovering the data
[04:24] <Yagisan> raphink: pyflag IIRC is not in ubuntu :(
[04:24] <Yagisan> raphink: was /home a seperate partition ?
[04:24] <raphink> so I should just halt the system if I want to have a chance to recover?
[04:25] <raphink> Yagisan: yes
[04:25] <Yagisan> raphink: oh that's good news. do you have enough space on another partition to make an image of home ?
[04:25] <raphink> no
[04:26] <raphink> on another comp maybe
[04:26] <Yagisan> raphink: can you access that other comp with eg nfs or samba ?
[04:26] <raphink> it's not set
[04:27] <Yagisan> raphink: the less you write to /home the better your chance of recovering the data
[04:27] <raphink> yes
[04:27] <Yagisan> raphink: you can't log out, because you killed /home, you'll have a hard time logging in
[04:27] <raphink> I'll reboot with knoppix that'll be safer
[04:27] <raphink> I didn' tkill /home
[04:28] <raphink> I already rebooted since I removed the files :s
[04:28] <Yagisan> raphink: I'd set up that other box now, and dd your home partition to an image there
[04:28] <raphink> dd?
[04:28] <zakame> back
[04:29] <Yagisan> raphink: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/mnt/savemyarse/home.img
[04:29] <zakame> disk duplicate/dump
[04:29] <Yagisan> change hda1 to what your partition was
[04:29] <raphink> yes
[04:29] <raphink> is
[04:30] <Yagisan> zakame: reminds me of work this. Did I mention I do data recovery ?
[04:31] <zakame> heya seth_k|lappy :)
[04:31] <zakame> Yagisan: w00t
[04:31] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, $$$
[04:31] <seth_k|lappy> heya zakame :) how's tricks
[04:31] <Yagisan> If he was in sydney, he could drop the box off today
[04:31] <zakame> tricks?
[04:32] <Yagisan> anyway, if he doesn't get the dd done quickly, he'll have 0 chance of recovering his data
[04:32] <Kyral> Morning MOTU
[04:33] <zakame> hi Kyral :)
[04:33] <Yagisan> G'day Kyral
[04:34] <Yagisan> I'll be heading off to bed soon. zakame no other ideas on why my rules voodoo fails ?
[04:34] <zakame> Yagisan: is this package available somewhere so I could d-l and check?
[04:34] <zakame> (I'll be in bed rsn myself ;)
[04:35] <Yagisan> zakame: I'll put the current work in progress up in just a sec
[04:36] <Yagisan> just waiting on another build to see if that helps
[04:36] <seth_k|lappy> zakame, things, work, whatever :P
[04:37] <Yagisan> zakame: you'll need to add my private repo to your list if you want the extra amd64 build deps though
[04:37] <zakame> seth_k|lappy: ah :) well, here doing some edits for DebootstrapChroot
[04:38] <zakame> k
[04:41] <raphink> hi again
[04:43] <zakame> wb raphink :)
[04:43] <raphink> Yagisan, I'm on knoppix now
[04:43] <raphink> ty zakame
[04:43] <raphink> my /home is not mounted anymore
[04:43] <raphink> so there's no risk of altering it no more
[04:43] <raphink> now what shall I do?
[04:44] <raphink> ;s
[04:45] <Yagisan> raphink: caught me just before leaving for bed
[04:45] <raphink> huhu
[04:45] <raphink> Yagisan, see my pb is that my /home is far bigger than any other partition I have here
[04:45] <Yagisan> raphink: is the other box up and running, and accessible over the network ?
[04:45] <raphink> yes
[04:46] <Yagisan> raphink: I never work on the raw partition, only images - so I can't fuck up
[04:46] <raphink> mhm
[04:46] <Yagisan> raphink: can you mount a directory on the other box ?
[04:46] <raphink> well the /home I want to work on is 107.57GB, with 26.61GB currently used
[04:46] <raphink> I can do anything on the other box, over ssh
[04:47] <Yagisan> raphink: and you will need to search 107.57GB to find that 26.61GB of data
[04:47] <raphink> yes
[04:47] <raphink> the pb is that nowhere except on /home do I have more than 100GB of HD
[04:47] <raphink> the other box is less than 60GB
[04:48] <raphink> and this one's / is about 6GB
[04:48] <raphink> and i guess it wouldn't be a a good idea to play with LVM
[04:48] <raphink> that wouldn't help recovering
[04:48] <Yagisan> raphink: wish you were here, you could drop the box off at my office
[04:48] <raphink> :s
[04:48] <Yagisan> raphink: just a sec - I'll see if I can find a live recovery cd
[04:49] <raphink> hmm
[04:49] <raphink> doesnt knoppix have some tools for that?
[04:50] <Yagisan> raphink: you need a more specialised cd, I'm afraid
[04:50] <raphink> hmmm
[04:50] <raphink> I don't know how I'm going to burn a CD with no /home
[04:50] <raphink> ;)
[04:50] <raphink> well I can burn it on the other box ;)
[04:51] <Yagisan> raphink: don't worry, your not screwed yet - you may be when your sister finds out, but not yet
[04:51] <raphink> oh no worries I called her to tell her ;)
[04:51] <raphink> she said she'd like to recover her pics
[04:51] <raphink> but apart from that heh she just had to backup her stuff ;)
[04:51] <raphink> she said it herself so no I'm not screwed ;)
[04:55] <raphink> although I'd like to recover the data ;)
[04:56] <Yagisan> raphink: http://www.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Auditor_tools
[04:56] <zakame> gn8 all :)
[04:56] <raphink> gn8 zakame
[04:57] <Yagisan> that may help you - it has ext2 recovery
[04:57] <raphink> it's ext3
[04:57] <Yagisan> zakame: night
[04:57] <Yagisan> raphink: ext3 == ext2 + journal (another file)
[04:57] <zakame> gn8 raphink , Yagisan :)
[04:58] <Yagisan> zakame: I have a link for you
[04:59] <Yagisan> zakame http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/voodoo_magic_here/
[04:59] <zakame> got it ;)
[04:59] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, those chroot and pbuilder wiki pages are quite outdated btw, zakame was very helpful in updating them, i got them working already
[04:59] <jsgotangco> thanks for the help earlier
[04:59] <zakame> no problem :)
[05:00] <zakame> wb koke
[05:00] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: your welcome, sorry I couldn't be more helpful
[05:33] <raphink> 14106624 inodes scanned, 0 deleted files found
[05:33] <raphink> :(
[05:34] <Yagisan> raphink: oh dear, you need in-depth forensics to recover you data then
[05:36] <Yagisan> raphink: http://www.e-fense.com/helix/contents.php that should have pyflag on it, but you'll need to make an image of the data
[05:36] <Yagisan> raphink: need to go now, baby waking up
[05:38] <raphink> ok
[05:39] <raphink> unfortunately I don't have any HD that is large enough to make an image of the data
[05:46] <raphink> Yagisan, I give up on recovering...
[05:46] <raphink> but I'll set up a backup system here
[05:46] <Yagisan> raphink: for future perhaps sbackup would help ?
[05:53] <raphink> sbackup Yagisan ?
[05:54] <Yagisan> raphink: Its in universe - I use it for my home box. seems like a nice backup tool
[05:56] <raphink> I'm on KDE, so i'd like a qt tool better ;)
[05:56] <raphink> I was asked to package Keep a few hours ago
[05:56] <raphink> ;:)
[05:56] <raphink> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32984
[05:56] <raphink> this was kind of calling me it seems ;)
[05:57] <Yagisan> raphink: qt, gtk - I don't care as long as it does the job right.
[05:57] <raphink> Yagisan: actually, my idea is that there are two comps on this network, so I could backup comp 1 on comp 2 and vice versa
[05:59] <Yagisan> raphink: until gmailfs broke, I had a copy on gmailfs, one on dvd at home, and one on dvd offsite
[05:59] <raphink> hehe
[05:59] <raphink> I do care ;)
[05:59] <raphink> I think I'll be reviewing more in the next few days
[05:59] <raphink> since I can't package anymore, having deleted my private key from this comp
[05:59] <raphink> ;)
[06:00] <raphink> mhm
[06:00] <Yagisan> raphink: thats why I have at least 2 backups now
[06:01] <raphink> hehe
[06:02] <Yagisan> raphink: I also know the pain of losing /home. thats why my /home is now a 600GB RAID5 array
[06:03] <raphink> hehe
[06:03] <raphink> well heh
[06:04] <Lathiat> not raid6? :)
[06:04] <Yagisan> Lathiat: because I ran out of money at the shop, and ubuntu doesn't support my two remaining ide ports
[06:05] <Lathiat> could have been 400GB raid6 :)
[06:07] <Yagisan> Lathiat: in dapper I think my two remain ports will be supported, I'll try to go for an 800GB raid5 out of 5 200GB drives
[06:08] <Yagisan> It would be cool for a desktop box
[06:08] <Lathiat> depends if you want more space or more redundancy ig uess :)
[06:08] <Yagisan> Lathiat: If I toss the cd-rom, and get 3 drives, I can get raid6
[06:10] <Yagisan> Lathiat: how much storage do you have on your box ?
[06:10] <Lathiat> i have 2 laptops, 60G and 40G :)
[06:10] <Lathiat> i do have a box here with 5x200G in raid1+0 + hotspare tho
[06:10] <Lathiat> sadly not mine :)
[06:11] <Lathiat> raid1+0 for reasons of seek performance
[06:11] <Lathiat> in that raid1+0 allows you to do two requests at once
[06:11] <Lathiat> as opposed to raid5 where each hit read or write hits all disks
[06:12] <Lathiat> where as reads only hit 2/4
[06:12] <Lathiat> with 1+0
[06:12] <Yagisan> Lathiat: yeah, but I have an uneven number of disks, so raid 5 was the only (decent) choice
[06:12] <Lathiat> right, and common
[06:13] <Lathiat> does raid6 need an even number of drives?
[06:13] <Yagisan> Lathiat: 4 minimum
[06:13] <Yagisan> but same speed penalty as raid5
[06:14] <Lathiat> with 4 drives raid6 is basically pointless, may as well raid1+0 ?
[06:14] <Lathiat> actually, i suppose that raid6 lets two disks die
[06:14] <Lathiat> with raid1+0, it depends which disks
[06:14] <Yagisan> reading seems rather good with in-kernel raid5, writes hammer the pci bus though
[06:14] <Lathiat> if two fo the wrong disks die then yoru fooked
[06:14] <Lathiat> Yagisan: this box here has a pci-x sata card
[06:14] <Lathiat> sata_sil24 driver
[06:15] <Lathiat> i can pull 60M/s off 4 disks at once
[06:15] <Lathiat> 5th disk didnt get any faster tho
[06:15] <Lathiat> not sure where the limitation in that is
[06:15] <Yagisan> Lathiat: well, the I in raid is inexpensive, that's why we have backups, and backups of backups, and we test them too
[06:15] <Lathiat> ;)
[06:16] <Lathiat> anyway
[06:16] <Lathiat> -> bed
[06:16] <Lathiat> night :)
[06:16] <Yagisan> Lathiat: I have standard 32bit 33Mhz pci bus here
[06:16] <Yagisan> night, wow 4am already
[06:16] <Lathiat> Yagisan: yeh thatd suck a bit, this box is dual opteron :)
[06:16] <Lathiat> Wed Dec 28 01:13:48 WST 2005
[06:16] <Yagisan> Lathiat: single amd64 here
[06:16] <Lathiat> Yagisan: linux swraid kicks ass tho
[06:16] <Lathiat> leaving comment.. honest ;)
[06:17] <Yagisan> Lathiat: I was impressed, it beat pci raid cards
[06:17] <Lathiat> i know freebsd die-hards who use linux because its software raid craps all over freebsds, and in many cases outperforms hardware cards
[06:17] <Lathiat> also has the advantage of being usable over multiple controllers and even interface types, and not the need to replace the card with the same card
[06:17] <Lathiat> e.g. if your raid card dies, and you dont get the exact same or similar card, you lose all your data
[06:17] <Yagisan> :) yep
[06:18] <Lathiat> s
[06:18] <Lathiat> anyway, enjoy. night.
[06:19] <raptoid> yes  can
[06:19] <Yagisan> hmm, I make nice typos
[07:18] <\sh> ogra: ping works?
[07:19] <ogra> didnt try yet
[07:19] <ogra> i was waiting for your ok
[07:49] <\sh> new wine is coming today
[07:49] <\sh> for dapper :)
[07:54] <\sh> moins siretart
[07:56] <siretart> huhu \sh
[07:57] <steve132> hey, um I am a bit lost... I would like to help motu with a particular package, but I do not know where to start.
[08:23] <Yagisan> for all those interested, initial upload of my ia32-libs-universe work-in-progress is here http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1318
[08:25] <slomo> gn8 Yagisan :)
[09:10] <JohnnyMast> any motu around ?
[09:20] <crimsun> JohnnyMast: ?
[09:30] <cmatheson> hey guys, been using ubuntu for the past seven months or so and i want to get involved now.  what needs doing?
[09:30] <crimsun> see the merge list
[09:30] <crimsun> (topic)
[09:31] <JohnnyMast> crimsun sorry for the late reply. But i have a package on revu but there is a new version out then the one im packing. When i put a new version up with the new app version inside would it be bad ?
[09:31] <tseng> no
[09:32] <crimsun> JohnnyMast: no, just make sure to ask one of the REVU admins to remove the older
[09:32] <JohnnyMast> is one around ?
[09:33] <crimsun> JohnnyMast: ask ajmitch, siretart, or \sh about removing the older version from REVU
[09:33] <JohnnyMast> thanks for the info lads
[09:33] <JohnnyMast> okey
[09:34] <cmatheson> crimsun: anyone can merge stuff?
[09:34] <crimsun> cmatheson: yes
[09:34] <crimsun> (granted only those of us with upload privs can upload them)
[09:34] <cmatheson> crimsun: ok cool
[09:35] <cmatheson> generally what is involved in a merge (aside from re-compiling?)
[09:35] <crimsun> generally you pick a merge, use the lp.py scripts to do the launchpad magic, attach a confirmed-working debdiff against the newer debian version, and ping a MOTU
[09:36] <cmatheson> crimsun: ok, i'm gonna look into that thanks
[09:37] <crimsun> Starting with the REPORT, you should check if the newer debian packaging has incorporated ubuntu's changes. If so, you can mark the package as a sync, otherwise you'll have to inspect the -dropped diff and hand-merge.
[09:38] <cmatheson> crimsun: the REPORT is something that the MOTU gives back to me or what is that?
[09:38] <crimsun> cmatheson: no, it's in the MoM directory
[09:39] <crimsun> Each active link (merge) on http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new is into the associated MoM directory
[09:39] <cmatheson> oooh, ok, i think i gotta lot of stuff to read right now
[09:53] <cmatheson> so let me make sure i have this right... i can choose any of the UNASSIGNED packages on http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new and work on those, assumign i file the correct but report.  after i make a debdiff i talk to someone in here about it (and i mark the bug 'pending upload')
[09:56] <crimsun> cmatheson: essentially, yes.
[11:31] <Kyral> Oh fun
[11:32] <Kyral> I get to compare a Gentoo list against Apt
[11:32] <\sh> what?
[11:33] <\sh> what will you compare? apple and cherries?
[11:33] <Kyral> no
[11:34] <Kyral> I was given the World file from our old build and told to check it against Apt to see what is there and what isn't
[11:36] <Kyral> and its complicated by the difference categories
[11:37] <\sh> don't think about the cats :)
[11:37] <Kyral> yah well
[11:37] <Kyral> for emacs its "app-emacs/session"
[11:37] <Kyral> I saw an entry for "kde-base/kde-env"
[11:37] <\sh> yes...
[11:38] <\sh> because gentoo has a different package scheme
[11:38] <Kyral> I see KDE-Base anything I'm gonna assume its under Kubuntu-Desktop
[11:38] <\sh> no
[11:38] <Kyral> \sh: I know I used Gentoo before Ubuntu
[11:38] <\sh> kdebase in gentoo is a meta build
[11:38] <Kyral> then what is kde-env?
[11:38] <\sh> check /etc/env.d/
[11:39] <\sh> if you emerge different versions of kde then you have different kde environments
[11:39] <Kyral> I'm gonna have to got through the descriptions of these oy
[11:39] <\sh> sure :)
[11:42] <Kyral> I half a mind to make a shell script to do the first pass
[12:01] <Kyral> Maybe I shouldn't be doing this on Dapper...