[12:26] <Lord_Athur> hi there
[12:27] <Lord_Athur> when a log onto the terminal a text is shown, 
[12:28] <Lord_Athur> it's about the NO WARRANTY of ubuntu
[12:28] <Lord_Athur> can I change this text?
[12:30] <Lord_Athur> can anybody help me?
[12:44] <Lord_Athur> ogra_ibook, you're an ubuntu expert, can you help me?
[12:52] <\sh> Lord_Athur: /etc/motd 
[12:52] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[12:56] <Lord_Athur> \sh, with ubuntu 5.04,  how can I delete mails (using the mail program of the terminal)?
[12:59] <\sh> Lord_Athur: /join #ubuntu for support questions..
[01:00] <Lord_Athur> thanks for the idea \sh 
[03:01] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:03] <lucasvo> hello everybody
[12:14] <writer> Hello!
[12:16] <ulinskie> writer, hi there
[12:17] <writer> Hi
[12:53] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: whare can I download the edubuntu dapper install cd for ppc?
[12:59] <ogra_ibook> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/
[01:00] <lucasvo> yup, I've already found it
[01:01] <lucasvo> thanks
[03:32] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:35] <writer> Hi
[03:37] <Lord_Athur> hi mhz 
[03:38] <mhz> hi Lord_Athur 
[04:08] <Lord_Athur> hi there
[04:08] <Lord_Athur> who uses xfree86?
[04:11] <Yagisan> no one anymore ...
[04:11] <Lord_Athur> ok
[04:12] <Yagisan> not since they committed suicide ^W^W mass re-licensed 
[04:12] <Yagisan> anyway
[04:12] <Lord_Athur> :D
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I've got an empy floppy
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> what can be a good format to mount it?
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> is there anyone with the information?
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I cannot use a CD for 3 kb 
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> xD
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> and i need it for a pc without graphical enviroment
[04:26] <mhz> cdrecord
[04:26] <mhz> cdrecord --scanbus
[04:26] <mhz> will give you the info you need for:
[04:26] <Lord_Athur> a?
[04:26] <Lord_Athur> what's that?
[04:26] <Lord_Athur> ok
[04:26] <mhz> cdrecord -v dev=X,Y,Z fs=16m speed=4 the_iso_file
[04:30] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: mount /medial/floppy -t vfat
[04:30] <Yagisan> s/medial/media
[04:30] <Yagisan> is that what you are looking for ?
[04:31] <Lord_Athur> thanks Yagisan 
[04:31] <hyperactivecrond> hello all
[04:31] <mhz> Yagisan: I thought Lord_Athur wanted to burn a CD
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I don't want to do that
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> I only want to mount a floppy
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> xD
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> but I must especify the file system
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan, the command that you gave me is wrong
[04:32] <mhz> Lord_Athur mhz, I cannot use a CD for 3 kb 
[04:33] <mhz> Lord_Athur: you said that
[04:33] <Lord_Athur> yes
[04:33] <Lord_Athur> I wanted to tell you that I only can use a floppy for this case
[04:33] <Lord_Athur> and not a cd
[04:33] <Lord_Athur> :D
[04:33] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: ok try this: mount /dev/fd0 -t vfat /media/floppy
[04:34] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: make sure you have a /media/floppy directory
[04:34] <Yagisan> otherwise change to to somewhere else
[04:34] <Lord_Athur> yes
[04:36] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan, 
[04:36] <Lord_Athur> thanks i could do it
[04:36] <Lord_Athur> I'll be back as soon as possible after repair my problem
[04:36] <Lord_Athur> bye
[05:21] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: got a minute, gifted man?
[05:22] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: what do you need ?
[05:23] <mhz_idle> as you know my main concern is old or less powerful hardware for edubuntu
[05:24] <mhz_idle> so, I started working on customizing wmaker look until ogra mentioned that wmaker and fluxbox wouldn't suit freedesktop standards
[05:24] <mhz_idle> then, 
[05:24] <mhz_idle> yesterday I had some time to play and test XFCE again
[05:24] <Yagisan> yes - I have quite a bit of "old" hardware
[05:25] <jsgotangco> lol i thought i read "wanker" 
[05:25] <jsgotangco> wmaker
[05:25] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:25] <mhz_idle> and met this guy in #xubuntu who has started a great cool project "DSS live"
[05:25] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: hehehehehe
[05:25] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: too much slack from holidays?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, ive been busy of late
[05:25] <jsgotangco> with a side project
[05:26] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: this guy, 'nomed', has based his project on ubuntu but with many diff and used XFCE 90% free of GNOME libs dependency
[05:26] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: pet or side?
[05:27] <jsgotangco> side
[05:27] <jsgotangco> hopefully it gets done next year
[05:27] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: on?
[05:27] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: so I now wonder...
[05:28] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: if I want Edubuntu to be the cheapest on hardware consumption, which road should I take?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, you'll know in due time
[05:28] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: ubuntu does use lots of gnome
[05:28] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: grrhhh :)
[05:28] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, XFCE so at least you're gtk compatible
[05:29] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: at least a clue or category?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, it is docs related
[05:29] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: I am seriously considering XFCE mainly because of desktop standrards
[05:29] <mhz_idle> but If my other cncern is lib dependencies...
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i like my desktop to be programmable =)
[05:30] <mhz_idle> DSS live has gotten free of those, but then have also used too many diff resources ubuntu does use
[05:30] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: me too, I use fluxbox and wmaker only
[05:31] <mhz_idle> but my concern has to be wider = students and schools
[05:31] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, but you're developing a solution now, your opinions rarely matter heh
[05:31] <mhz_idle> with old cheap hardware
[05:31] <mhz_idle> heheh
[05:31] <mhz_idle> that's why i am using xcfe now
[05:32] <jsgotangco> its a nice desktop but its not my cup of tea
[05:32] <jsgotangco> i still like the logic of patterns and methods of gnome
[05:32] <mhz_idle> my concern is how much speed or weight on resources will I gain by getting rid of GNOME dependencies
[05:33] <mhz_idle> and how much I can get rid of?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:33] <mhz_idle> considering Ubuntu/Edubuntu is 100 GNOME
[05:33] <jsgotangco> well yes
[05:33] <jsgotangco> you'll probrably be grabbing the basic gtk tookits for starters
[05:34] <jsgotangco> not necessarily gnome  =)
[05:34] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: even if you switch to xfce, you'll still need cire gnome and kde libs for many applications
[05:34] <Yagisan> s/cire/core
[05:34] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:34] <jsgotangco> especially for kedu
[05:34] <mhz_idle> yup
[05:35] <jsgotangco> you'll still have a leaner setup compared to full gnome
[05:35] <jsgotangco> probably a few hundred MB less
[05:35] <mhz_idle> and as I understand NOTHING about developing nor coding nor libs, I am totally clules about how to do this light-edubuntu
[05:35] <mhz_idle> and make it a valid official option
[05:35] <jsgotangco> i dont think that's possible for this cycle
[05:35] <jsgotangco> too short
[05:36] <jsgotangco> its january next year
[05:36] <mhz_idle> AFAIK, DSS live is ubuntu but nomed says 'too tweaked'
[05:36] <jsgotangco> its not well documented?
[05:36] <mhz_idle> what?
[05:36] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: here is the catch - want to use those ubuntu apps like firefox - then you need the gtk libs
[05:37] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: want k3b - need the kde libs
[05:37] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, k3b alone needs at least a 100MB worth of deps
[05:37] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:37] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: but in that case, k3b is worth it
[05:37] <jsgotangco> (assuming you installed gnome)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> sure it is
[05:38] <jsgotangco> but getting 100MB over the network can be a shock
[05:38] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: the only feasible way to slim down ubuntu - without getting a major cflags change, is to carefully pick your applications
[05:39] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, you'll probably have to sacrifice the kde apps and focus on gtk
[05:39] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I'm shaped to 64k down now, I had to suck 250MB worth a while ago :(
[05:40] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: perhaps even sacrifice gtk apps depening on your target box
[05:40] <jsgotangco> are you currently being abused by evil telstra?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, since youre targeting low-end systems, that's a good sacrifice (to remove the other apps)
[05:41] <jsgotangco> but you'll have a limited app selection in the process
[05:41] <jsgotangco> (unless there's a ton of edu apps on ncurses heh)
[05:41] <mhz_idle> :)
[05:41] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: no, I went over my 20GB limit with tpg, trying to get something decent to watch for christmas O:-)
[05:42] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i might fly to brisbane after the new year
[05:42] <jsgotangco> and stay for a few weeks
[05:43] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: Yagisan:... what if I just made an edubuntu XFCE theme for our edubuntu cd.. will that be a start? will that be included in Dapper?
[05:44] <jsgotangco> you can ask ogra to package it as a universe app i guess
[05:44] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I think that would help, but first
[05:44] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: i mean , to be part of the shipped CD ;)
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I'd sit down with pen & paper and decide what apps I'd want to use
[05:45] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: my initial idea was to have same exact apps than edubuntu
[05:46] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, that wouldn't be useful at all, since XFCE isn't in the CD for starters
[05:46] <mhz_idle> later on, I met the 'libs' issues
[05:46] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: then you need to trim the "fat" in other ways
[05:46] <mhz_idle> trim = slim down?
[05:46] <jsgotangco> (i dunno if XFCE got promoted to main,....)
[05:46] <jsgotangco> maybe not
[05:46] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: yes
[05:47] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: actually it is to cut away
[05:47] <mhz_idle> hehehe
[05:47] <mhz_idle> .oO(english and its phrasal verbs!!!)
[05:47] <mhz_idle> only native speakers can come up with them
[05:48] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: how far from edubuntu do you want to go ?
[05:49] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: we need to determine what is an acceptable loss for yoou
[05:49] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: as I only understood the need and not what it actually implies... I just realized old chilean hardware was not ideal for edubuntu as it currently is. So my main goal was to make it less expensive.
[05:50] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: are you planning a ltsp setup, or individual workstations ?
[05:50] <mhz_idle> ltsp
[05:50] <Yagisan> ok
[05:50] <mhz_idle> or xmcdp
[05:50] <mhz_idle> or any way I can set a semi-modern server and 10 or 20 workstations
[05:50] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I'd drop all kde stuff, and see if I can get a gtk replacement if you need that a particular app
[05:51] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: what if I cut away FAT kde?
[05:51] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: xfce might be good - do you have a comparison to gnome ?
[05:51] <mhz_idle> nope just yey because I am still in the process of learning about what i am getting into :D
[05:52] <mhz_idle> when I started theming wmaker I knew that was lot faster than gnome
[05:52] <mhz_idle> on every aspect
[05:53] <mhz_idle> I have no clue how to compare xfce and gnome unless you are talking about using a timer ;)
[05:53] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, i wonder if its still edubuntu after shedding all that so called "fat"
[05:53] <mhz_idle> exactly, thats my point
[05:54] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: which comes back to my question,  how far from edubuntu do you want to go ?
[05:54] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: would KDE be lighter than GNOME ? (considering I will use educational apps in edubuntu)
[05:55] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: do you have a typical pc we can perform measurements on ?
[05:55] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: hmmm, i can't quite understand your question
[05:55] <jsgotangco> unlikely KDE has its own voodoo way different from gnome
[05:55] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: I have gotten one, 600 MHz celeron, 128 MB ram, 20 GB
[05:56] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: how much edubuntu are you willing to remove, to achieve your goal ?
[05:56] <mhz_idle> but i guess typical would be 96 RAM
[05:56] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: ok - and how many clients on a 96mb box ?
[05:57] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: my first idea was to have the option for scholl admins to choose Wmaker or XFCE over GNOME when installing Edubuntu Dapper. That was it. Now..... Now I feel lost so because Edubuntu is also suitable for about 35% of the Chilean schools
[05:58] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: so, answering your question today about 'how far' seems not clear to me.
[05:59] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: I could make school servers to be 1 GHz + 256 RAM (maybe, just maybe, 512 MB), 20 GB
[05:59] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: to determine how we can meet your target machine, I need to know how much I can remove, without you becoming unhappy
[05:59] <mhz_idle> and most of clients would have 500 MHz, 48 or 64 MB of ram, 9 GB
[06:00] <mhz_idle> heheheh
[06:00] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, windows NT
[06:00] <mhz_idle> and the env. would be 1 server for 10 or 15 stations
[06:02] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: with that, I would be happy to see 20 apps. per subject (Math, Lenaguage, etc) and group (from pre-kinder to 8 years olds, from 9 to 13 and from 14 to 18)
[06:03] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: clients < 64mb won't boot, 96mb / 11 (10 users + some server otherhead) = ~8.7mb per client
[06:04] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: depending on how active & how many *different* apps are running, that will be slow
[06:04] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: eg no OOo, and no firefox on that server
[06:04] <mhz_idle> OR, i could set a mixed env. LTSP + local installed
[06:05] <mhz_idle> well, classes usually dont consider firefox unless we are talking about Wikpedia
[06:05] <mhz_idle> (Moinpedia for jsgotangco)
[06:05] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: we need to do a memory profile on what apps are used
[06:06] <mhz_idle> any tool or script to do that?
[06:06] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I don't have the bandwidth to grab edubuntu & test until after jan 10
[06:06] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: we build a test lab, and run top on the server
[06:07] <jsgotangco> there's moinpedia?
[06:07] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: yup, Alexander (#moin) made a CSS for it and tested it against DB's with nice results
[06:08] <mhz_idle> I ignore if it still is available as project
[06:08] <jsgotangco> wow
[06:08] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: I might be able to set a Lab to test it (1 server + 1 laptop and 1 PC
[06:09] <mhz_idle> but I have no clue how to test mem behaviour
[06:09] <mhz_idle> or cpu 
[06:10] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I can't test cpu, I don't have a spare box. I can however build a virtual lab
[06:10] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: to test mem, you start logging memory use on and idle server
[06:11] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: then you get everyone to log in and do their work while still logging
[06:12] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: you see the peak usage and the average usage
[06:12] <mhz_idle> yup, i understand/imagine those concepts but 'how do i get them in human like' language so I can chart them and convince schools this is a better option
[06:12] <mhz_idle> something like 'bootchart' does
[06:13] <mhz_idle> or even on a txt?
[06:14] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: you need to get that lab built and perform the analysis and write up independently
[06:14] <mhz_idle> ooh, i see
[06:14] <mhz_idle> I can do that
[06:14] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: ok, I'll start with the lab then
[06:15] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: then you can see if you need to remove anything from edubuntu, or get the schools to spend more money
[06:15] <mhz_idle> and understanding how to tweak GTK colors for winows and menus
[06:15] <mhz_idle> (just in case)
[06:16] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: jsgotangco: thx a lot. I feel less lost now 
[06:16] <mhz_idle> F1...
[06:16] <mhz_idle> F1...
[06:16] <mhz_idle> F1...
[06:16] <mhz_idle> F1...
[06:16] <mhz_idle> :D
[06:18] <jsgotangco> i got to try sleeping
[06:18] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:18] <jsgotangco> a can of V didnt work
[06:22] <Petaris> Anyone here played with getting the terminals to logon to a Microsoft Active Directory or Novell eDirectory (NDS) domain?
[06:22] <Yagisan> the edubuntu terminals ?
[06:23] <Petaris> yeah, the ltsp terminals
[06:24] <Petaris> I know novell has a linux client but it is packaged for suse and redhat, I'm not sure if you could safely use alien to convert it
[06:24] <Petaris> and I'm not sure how possible it would be to do
[06:25] <Yagisan> Petaris: it's actually the ltsp server that you'll need to modify -  and last time I tried integrating linux into AD it took days :(
[06:25] <Petaris> well I have gentoo samba servers that are members of the domain, but that is a bit different
[06:26] <Petaris> I mean to logon to the domain and map your network drives/etc when you logon to the terminal
[06:26] <Petaris> http://www.novell.com/products/clients/linux/overview.html
[06:27] <Petaris> there is the novell client
[06:27] <Petaris> but it was made specifically for Novell Linux Desktop and Redhat, I don't know if that means it won't work with debianish systems or not
[06:27] <aep> hi.
[06:28] <aep> since i didnt find a channel that is about linux in education i chose yours.
[06:28] <Petaris> aep: Hello
[06:29] <Petaris> I use linux in education
[06:29] <aep> i'm starting a project for educational institutes.
[06:29] <Petaris> I'm a k-12 school district here
[06:29] <aep> maybe you want to here about. it brought a lot of hard disuss only speaking out the topic of the project
[06:30] <aep> (excuse my english please)
[06:31] <aep> In the institutes i was, there is much windows installed. they dont change it becouse they think they would have to change the staff too
[06:31] <Petaris> haha, I wish I could change some of the staff
[06:31] <Petaris> ;)
[06:32] <aep> my project aims to let linux look and feel exactely the same way windows does. So Institutes can change the OS without having _any_ trouble. most users dont even notice its another os
[06:34] <aep> i tested it out with qvm and it was great, then with a modification of kde (see http://data.xparanoid.de/exosXP.jpg) and it was great. until the users tryed to start the system configurator or some win32 program
[06:35] <aep> http://eligym.mine.nu/exos2006.pdf here is the (roadmap) of my project. i need many people to support me with code (e.g. i'm not able to write kernel modules)
[06:35] <aep> and the roadmap is bad english too, sorry
[06:37] <aep> if you are interested, to support me in _any_ way (even its just you want to say i'm on the wrong/rigth way)  then send a jabber to me   :)   aep@jabber.ccc.de  
[06:38] <aep> i'm not hearing  any reaction ;-)
[06:38] <Petaris> the interface has been done before BTW
[06:38] <aep> maybe hard to understand, since it's realy bad translated
[06:38] <Petaris> check icewm
[06:39] <aep> oh no, the intefaces done until now are not as powerfull as kde
[06:39] <Petaris> true
[06:42] <Petaris> Your'e putting a lot of trust in wine, some things will "just" work but most will not
[06:43] <Petaris> and I wouldn't try to create a branch kernel, use modules then you can use the newest kernel easily when it comes out
[06:43] <aep> it was not y idea to integrate wine. i know that it depends on much configuration to let some programms run in it. But i dont think wine should be a main-target, since the comunity brings a lot of better tools (like OO)
[06:43] <aep> yes the module concept is  a good idea
[06:44] <Petaris> and why would you need the winxp cd or lic
[06:45] <aep> 1. becouse i would have a license problem if i do not ask for it and 2. becouse wine needs it to create a fake windows drive
[06:45] <Petaris> since when?
[06:46] <Petaris> I use wine with no winxp lic
[06:46] <Petaris> and that would require still buying winxp
[06:46] <aep> i doesnt _need_ it. But with that fake drive you have much better support. e.g iexplore 
[06:46] <Petaris> eeeeek!
[06:47] <Petaris> Why would you want to use iexplore?
[06:47] <aep> i know , but i dont know howto solve it other way :/
[06:47] <Petaris> use firefox
[06:47] <Petaris> :)
[06:47] <aep> no! but some win32 programms need it
[06:47] <Petaris> I do for win and lin
[06:47] <Petaris> oh
[06:47] <Petaris> thats what you meant
[06:47] <Petaris> yeah, for ie you need a win lic
[06:47] <aep> yip
[06:47] <aep> but i would like to solve it another way
[06:48] <Petaris> which win progs do you think you need that require ie though?
[06:48] <Petaris> use OO.org instead of MS Office
[06:48] <aep> some that are very deep integrated. e.g. some installers get there proxy info out of ie
[06:48] <aep> yes OO!
[06:48] <Yagisan> Petaris: quite a few, including games
[06:49] <Petaris> There should be a fake iexplore.exe file that has the proxy info etc but no ie, and thus no lic
[06:49] <aep> but the main problem is the licensing.  all those styles are (c) by microsoft
[06:49] <Yagisan> Petaris: I must be blind - I can't find source for that app from novell
[06:50] <Petaris> Yagisan: you have to be registered (free) and logged int
[06:50] <Petaris> er, in
[06:51] <aep> maybe there is another way i could do it.  put the mirror somewhere in  the ocian :D
[06:52] <aep> but anyway i realy need some support.  since a few months i thougth it will be based on gentoo, but now i changed my opinion... the gentoo guys where realy unfriendly to me, as i tryed to bring my project to them
[06:55] <aep> so if you want to contact me you know my jabber id :-) 
[06:57] <Petaris> Yagisan: http://katerina.frederic.k12.wi.us/code/novell-client-1.0-linux-nld9.tar.gz
[06:58] <aep> seems you want to talk anymore or now. i must leave, so tell youre friends and contact me plz ;-)    .. cya
[06:58] <Petaris> Yagisan: Here are the install instructions: http://www.novell.com/documentation/linux_client/index.html?page=/documentation/linux_client/linuxclient/data/hgcbnee7.html
[07:00] <Yagisan> Petaris: thanks, I'll check it out when I wake up - see if I can spot any issues
[07:00] <Petaris> ok thankt
[07:00] <Petaris> er thatnks
[07:00] <Yagisan> no worries
[07:02] <Yagisan> Petaris: oh dear - it needs kernel source
[07:02] <Yagisan> Petaris: that's a good sign it will break on upgrades
[07:02] <Petaris> dosen't surprise me
[07:03] <Petaris> but if it could be tweaked to work that would be a powerful tool
[07:03] <Petaris> for adaptation of edubuntu in Novell shops
[07:05] <Yagisan> Petaris: what are the redistribution conditions ? reading the overview page, they give the impression that you can't run it on other distros
[07:05] <Petaris> Thats not the impression I got from the rep
[07:05] <Petaris> let me check
[07:07] <Petaris> nothing in the legal notice about it
[07:15] <Petaris> Yagisan: Do you think any kernel-source will work?  Or might it be their tweaked source?
[07:16] <Yagisan> Petaris: I don't know - I need to get the package (slowly coming down my shaped connection)
[07:16] <Petaris> ahh
[07:29] <Yagisan> night all
[07:29] <Petaris> night
[07:50] <Lord_Athur> hi
[07:52] <Lord_Athur> hi
[07:52] <Lord_Athur> I need an advice
[07:58] <KeithC> hey - quick question. i was wondering if theres an iso i can download of a live cd edubuntu... i want to test it and see if i want to set up an edubuntu box for my baby cousins.
[09:49] <paolob> Hi guys! Anyone could tell me where does evolution store the mail accounts settings?
[10:11] <Lord_Athur> hi
[10:11] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I need an advice from you
[10:11] <mhz> Lord_Athur: shoot
[10:12] <Lord_Athur> a?
[10:12] <mhz> Lord_Athur: dime
[10:12] <Lord_Athur> ok
[10:12] <mhz> shoot = dispara = dime
[10:19] <Lord_Athur> ok
[11:57] <lucasvo> I just ran into first difficut thing in Edubuntu-dapper ppc installation
[11:58] <lucasvo> ah, just solved it
[12:02] <lucasvo> maybe not