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=== mdke points Burgwork to a python guide and the moin source code
mdkeknow a good rss reader?12:14
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Burgworkmdke, I use blam, but I have heard liferea is half decent12:30
mdkei couldn't get blam to add rss feeds :(12:35
mdkei think that was dapper tho12:35
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mdkeah yeah that works very nicely12:39
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Burgworkmdke, I think mono is broken in dapper01:25
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GnuKemisthello01:32
Burgworksalut GnuKemist 01:32
GnuKemistBurgwork, salut to you too =)01:33
BurgworkGnuKemist, what brings you here today?01:33
GnuKemistBurgwork, just came to chat and see if you guys saw my modifications to the Doc News issue01:34
GnuKemistguess I should remove the Brazilian portuguese version from the wiki01:34
BurgworkI wouldn't quite01:34
Burgworkyet01:34
GnuKemistBurgwork, k... will hold on01:34
Burgworkjerome or mdke are the best people to ask about translations01:34
GnuKemistBurgwork, cool... the Desktop Team seemed to have liked my job with their first issue01:35
GnuKemistBurgwork, the Brazilian community also appreciated being able to read it in their native tongue01:35
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klepasmoin01:36
Burgworksalut klepas 01:36
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Burgworkall these new faces01:36
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klepasi popped in here a few times a fair while ago01:37
OgMaciel;)01:37
klepasnow that I've taken a peak at that doc you guys have so far, i think i might help out01:37
Burgworkklepas, excellent. Here is your shovel01:37
OgMacielhehe01:37
klepas:)01:38
Burgworkklepas, what do you have experience  wiht? The best way to start writing docs is to document what you have done already01:42
Burgworkremember to abstract it and write as if the reader knows very little01:42
Burgworkemphasis GUI over CLI01:42
mdkeevening all01:44
OgMacielmdke, evening01:44
mdkeBurgwork, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LVMOnRaid, some funny stuff01:44
mdke{i} I said boot off of a LIVE CD. Do not boot your system with both drives hooked up. All kinds of bad things will happen, and you will be sad. Maybe your data will get toasted, maybe not. Bad things I say.01:45
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Burgworkyes, I saw that01:45
Burgworkgoing to get need to reign in the language  on that01:45
mdkeawww01:46
mdkewelcome klepas01:46
Burgworkanyway, I am leaving work now01:48
Burgworkcya all01:48
OgMacielBurgwork, later01:48
mdkebye01:49
mdkeOgMaciel, thanks for your edits on the News page01:49
OgMacielmdke, pleased to be of help01:49
mdkecouple of things01:50
mdkeOgMaciel, when you edit a wiki page, it's very important to insert a comment in the box before you save the page01:50
mdkethat way, people can see easily what is being done01:50
OgMacielmdke, gotcha... will do that...  =)01:50
mdkecool01:51
mdkeotherwise, I might revert a couple of language things, but no big deal :)01:51
mdkethanks for your contribution :)01:51
OgMacielno prob...  =)01:51
OgMacielmy pleasure01:51
OgMacielmdke, I was thinking of translating an article I wrote on setting up Network Manager to english...  Would that be helpfull?01:51
OgMacielit's got screenshots of every step too01:52
mdkethat sounds great01:52
mdkeis there any documentation already on it?01:52
OgMacielmdke, not that I know...01:52
klepasBurgwork: i haven't done any real doc work01:53
klepasI'm coming in over to check out what the doc team is up to, from the art team :)01:53
OgMacielmdke, is there a list of available docs somewhere?01:53
OgMacielmdke, nm  =)01:54
mdkeOgMaciel, wiki search01:54
OgMacielmdke, exactly... hehehe01:54
mdkenetwork manager website01:54
OgMacielmdke, came up with a few pages01:54
mdkemaybe not docs tho01:54
mdkeklepas, if you want to get involved and have any trouble, let us know =)01:55
klepasmdke: sure thing01:56
klepasi'll start off just going through http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/01:57
klepasproof-reading :)01:57
mdkerock!01:57
klepasmhh, docbook certainly does look easier than C does :P01:58
mdkeit's pretty easy yeah01:58
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KingBahamutevening all02:38
klepasmmh02:46
klepashttp://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch01.html#introduction02:46
klepascould someone find the line that reads: "However, a number of people are not computer fanatics and may find themselves in need of additional support."02:46
klepaswould computer fanatics be the applicable term/label in this case?02:46
klepasI would rather have placed perhaps 'guru' or something similar02:47
mdkeexperts?02:50
klepasyea02:51
klepasjust fanatics... doesn't seem like the best term02:51
poningruI think computer experts is best02:54
klepasyep02:56
klepascould one of you guys change it?02:56
mdkesure, if you like02:56
klepasmdke: still a bit new to the doc stuff :)02:57
mdkeotherwise, you can send a patch with all your suggestions to the mailing list02:57
klepasto do that i would need to grab an SVN copy of the documentation right?02:57
mdkethat's right02:57
klepasalrigty02:58
mdkehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted is the best place to start,02:58
klepasis there a program i can use to edit the content in WYSIWYG?02:58
mdkeafaik, not a free one, no02:58
klepasmmh02:59
klepasdocbook uses xml?02:59
mdkedocbook is a type of xml02:59
klepaswould be nice if it were latex02:59
mdkeI'm not familiar with that03:04
klepasLaTeX03:07
klepaslet me find the wp page03:07
mdkenp03:07
klepashttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX03:07
mdkei know what it is, just not how to use it03:08
klepasahh, ditto :P03:08
klepasnice thing it has a WYSIWYG editor03:08
klepaswell, there is one03:08
klepashere's one of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeXmacs03:10
klepasand the KDE app is called Kile03:11
klepasIDE for LaTeX03:11
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jsgotangcohey rob1 03:41
jsgotangcohow's things?03:41
Burgundaviasalut jsgotangco 03:41
jsgotangcohey Burgundavia 03:41
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poningruanyone around?06:59
poningruI was looking through the to do list06:59
poningrudo we really need a thunderbird page?06:59
Madpilotwhat's on it?06:59
Burglaptopponingru: no, not really07:00
Burglaptopponingru: unless there is one fromt eh forums you can adapt07:00
Burglaptopponingru, Madpilot: do the instructions on this page! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting07:00
Madpilotwhat, actually restart my machine? :P07:01
Burglaptopyes, dammit07:01
Madpilothmm... bootchart isn't found in Synaptic?07:01
Burglaptopin dapper main07:02
MadpilotI'm still running Breezy - what depends does it have?07:02
Madpilothmm... http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/admin/bootchart shows large numbers of depends - I think I'll pass07:03
Burglaptopok07:03
jsgotangcobootchart is easy to grab in dapper07:04
rob1hi jsgotangco 07:10
Madpilotis "wiki.kubuntu.org" just a straight mirror of wiki.u.c, or something different?07:12
klepasMadpilot: yes i think so :)07:17
Madpilotit's a mirror?07:18
BurglaptopMadpilot: just a redirect, same as wiki.edubuntu.org07:23
MadpilotOK - didn't even know it existed until just now :P07:24
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hyperactivecrondi can do the kubuntu administrator's guide if you want me to...04:33
hyperactivecrondis ChrisPeterman in here?04:33
hyperactivecrondok app.net04:34
hyperactivecrondapp. not04:34
hyperactivecronddo you think that kyral needs help with the ubuntu installation guide?04:38
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hyperactivecrondTo get an idea of current member's work , have a look _here_   --- On the main Docteam page, the link is a dead link. Just thought you wanted to know...05:12
hyperactivecrondCan I join the sounder team?05:12
jsgotangcowhere is this?05:12
jsgotangcothere is no sounder team05:13
jsgotangcoits just a list05:13
hyperactivecrondhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/community/teams/documentation05:13
hyperactivecrondaah05:13
jsgotangcowell this is the docteam chanel05:13
hyperactivecrondthe dead link is in the bullet point that says http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/community/teams/documentation05:14
hyperactivecrondoops05:14
jsgotangcothis is a terribly old page05:15
hyperactivecrondoh.05:15
jsgotangcoit still has enrico05:15
jsgotangcoheh05:15
jsgotangcothe core members you see on that page aren't active anymore or have focused on other teams05:15
hyperactivecrondoh.05:15
jsgotangcoBurgwork, we really need to edit the webpage heh05:16
hyperactivecrondhow does one join the 'sounder team list'? i'd like to get involved with the official ubuntu docs05:17
jsgotangcohyperactivecrond, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam05:17
hyperactivecrondthx jsgotangco 05:17
jsgotangcowe currently have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects05:17
hyperactivecrondyes.. i'd like to help ChrisPeterman with the installation guide if he needs help05:18
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hyperactivecrondor the Kubuntu Administrator's guide.. i'll do that if you want to un-deferr that05:19
jsgotangcohmmm05:20
hyperactivecrondhow does one become an official docteam member?05:20
jsgotangcoit would be nice to know the toolchain for instance05:20
jsgotangcowe work in svn using docbook05:20
hyperactivecrondok05:21
jsgotangcohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository05:22
jsgotangcoonce you get the sources, it should be a walk in the park =)05:22
hyperactivecrondjsgotangco: ok but it says one has to become an 'offical' member to make changes... how does one do this/05:23
hyperactivecrondoh whoops didn't read the whole page05:23
jsgotangcohyperactivecrond, you'll need upload rights to svn to make direct chnages but you can make patches and submit to list05:24
jsgotangcowhile you don't have commit05:24
hyperactivecrondok thankx05:24
hyperactivecronderr... the getting-started.xml page of kubuntu's desktop guide has nothing in it (https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/)05:25
hyperactivecrondi'm probably just stating the fact the the desktop guide isn't done.05:27
jsgotangcowe haven't really done in-depth writing in kubuntu but expect changes from jjesse when he comes back from holiday05:28
jsgotangcoat the moment, i jsut review the current work05:28
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hyperactivecrondx crash :\05:29
jsgotangcoduh05:29
hyperactivecrondheh...05:32
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Burgworkjsgotangco, that page needs to die06:06
hyperactivecrondwhich page?06:19
jsgotangcoi gotta sleep good night06:22
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Burgworkhyperactivecrond, the one that lists old doc team people06:53
hyperactivecrondyes?06:53
hyperactivecrondwhat about it06:55
Burgworkit needs to be redone as it lists people who haven't been on the doc team since dec 200406:56
hyperactivecrondyes... i'07:02
hyperactivecrond've heard07:02
hyperactivecrondso?07:02
Burgworkwe (the doc team) don't have write access to that page07:06
hyperactivecrondoh.07:06
Burgworkso we canna fix it07:06
hyperactivecrondi see07:06
Burgworkhyperactivecrond, you done any bash scripting>?07:12
hyperactivecrondBurgwork: some.. why?07:13
Burgworkfor line2 in `cat ~/`'$line'`clicks`07:13
BurgworkI need the shell to expand $line before it passes it to cat07:14
hyperactivecronddefine expand07:14
Burgwork$line is a line from a file07:14
hyperactivecrondok07:14
hyperactivecrondalright... hold on a sec07:15
hyperactivecrondthe tab is to be converted to how many spaces?07:15
hyperactivecrondburgwork: ?07:17
Burgworkyep?07:17
Burgworknot convert07:17
Burgworkfor instance $line is actually say "dsn"07:18
Burgworkso I want it to do `cat ~/dsnclicks`07:18
KyralI think you can do it inline07:21
BurgworkKyral, how? my bash foo is sadly limited07:22
Kyrallike cat ~/$(line)clicks07:22
KyralI mean I used the date command inline to generate part of a filename for irclog maintenance scripts07:22
Kyraltar --remove-files -czf /home/kyral/irclogs/Undernet-$(date +%Y.%m).tgz /home/kyral/irclogs/Undernet/07:23
BurgworkI use that elsewhere is this script07:23
Kyrallike that07:23
Burgworkbut that doesn't work07:23
BurgworkI don't need line the command, I need line the variable I have defined in my bash scripts07:23
Kyralyah07:23
KyralI know lol07:23
hyperactivecrondexpand actually takes tabs and makes them a number of spaces.07:24
hyperactivecrondis this what you mean by 'i need a line expanded' Burgwork 07:24
Burgworkyes, I also realize that. I am speaking about expand in the variable sense.07:24
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hyperactivecronddefine expand then07:25
Burgworkok, got is working07:34
BurgworkI need $(cat $line"click")07:35
Burgworkwhich expands $line to its value before passing it to cat07:35
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hyperactivecrondwhat is dapper's version #?08:30
Kyral6.0408:30
hyperactivecrondthx kyral08:30
KyralDapper+1 will be 6.10, Dapper+2 will be 7.04, etc08:31
hyperactivecrondkyral: i'm working on a basic beginning of the guide08:35
Kyralmkay08:35
Burgworkhyperactivecrond, which guide?08:38
KyralI swear there is GUI Installer08:38
hyperactivecrondinstaller08:38
Kyralhe decided to help me on it lol08:38
hyperactivecrondKyral: not done yet08:38
hyperactivecrondthe installer08:38
hyperactivecrondit's on low priority08:38
hyperactivecrond..and not in today's cd...08:39
KyralFlight 2 doesn't have it?08:39
hyperactivecrondnope.08:39
Burgworkthere is a GUI installer, it is coming in January08:39
Burgworkso I would hold off on any install guide08:39
KyralThen how are people all bitching about it already on hte Devel list lol08:39
Burgworkthat is gfx boot08:39
Kyralah08:39
Burgworka graphical chooser thingy08:40
hyperactivecrondh/o i have a pic of it08:40
Burgworkwhat needs work is documenting the oem installer08:40
KyralYah in January I'll be back at school and be able to abuse VMWare to work on it08:40
BurgworkI havne't gotten around to doing it myself08:40
hyperactivecrondhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a389/ccmolik/snapshot2.png08:40
Kyralyou mean the Curses thing?08:40
Burgworkhyperactivecrond, that is gfxboot08:41
hyperactivecrondyes08:41
BurgworkKyral, we need to document for a potential oem how to install Ubuntu08:41
Kyrallike for selling computers with it pre-installed?08:42
hyperactivecrondwe both need svn access though...08:42
Burgworkyes08:42
Burgworkhyperactivecrond, svn access will come with patches08:42
Kyralhmm08:42
hyperactivecrondyes i no...08:42
Kyralso basically mass deployment...08:42
KyralI seem to be slamming into this problem more and more08:43
hyperactivecrondis oem mode done?08:44
KyralI don't know anything about OEM mode..I work mostly with MOTU and the Forums community08:45
hyperactivecrondI have a docbook file(http://pastebin.com/481966) with some errors(http://pastebin.com/481968) could someone help me with these errors?08:55
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hyperactivecrondhold on... 1 error09:10
hyperactivecrondfixed09:10
hyperactivecrondanother error fixed09:12
hyperactivecrondwait... i think i've got all of them fixed... waiting for db2html to finish09:14
hyperactivecrondyes! it worked!09:15
hyperactivecrondwait.. 1 more problem hold on a second09:16
hyperactivecrondalright i see what I did wrong09:18
hyperactivecrond*yes*09:19
hyperactivecrondit workes.09:19
hyperactivecrondhttp://69.214.139.26/~chris/09:22
hyperactivecrond^^ docbook source and in the dir ubuntuguide is the finished html for starters09:23
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hyperactivecrondkyral: apprarently oem stuff is in the preseed dir09:31
hyperactivecrondon the iso09:31
Kyralah09:32
hyperactivecrondhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/OEMInstaller?highlight=%28OEM%29         Kyral : the specsw09:55
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nickrudhi all. I've been pretty much out of touch with you all in the doc team recently (I'll claim primarily time constraints).10:04
nickrudI'm gonna try to catch up, by looking through the logs here and there on fabbione's archive. Are there any theme's I should be watching for?10:06
Burgworknot really10:06
Burgworkwe are pretty quiet right now, due to christmas10:07
nickrudChristmas was the prime time sink I had :)10:07
Burgworklots of wiki work recently10:08
nickrudI've seen some of that, and done a little. What prodded me to check in today, was this gksudo sudo thing.10:10
nickrudI'm trying to get a grip on that, because it's something that, if true, means a lot of changes.10:11
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nickrudah, a good theme :) restricted formats is extremely too long.11:16
mdkeyeah, we need to do some decentralisation of some wiki pages11:17
Burgworknickrud, actually I like it as it is11:17
Burgworkbut we could split off the java11:18
mdkeBurgwork, things like Java can have their own11:18
mdkelol11:18
nickrudjava, yes, that11:18
nickrudis easy11:18
Kyralyah11:18
BurgworkI would leave the rest11:18
Burgworkcodecs are really one thing, in most peoples minds11:18
mdkeyes codecs should be in one place11:18
Burgworknickrud, mdke Kyral, you lot contributed a recent bootchart recently?11:18
nickrudthis is the breezy page, right?11:18
mdkei haven't uploaded one, no11:19
Burgworknickrud, bootchart or Rf?11:19
nickrudbootchart. That is something that I have conciously left alone. Got me11:19
Kyrallol11:19
Burgworkhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting11:19
KyralBurgwork: I could dig a couple up11:19
mdkeBurgwork is our resident chaser11:19
BurgworkI consider myself to be an ideas man and an ethusiastic11:20
Kyralthat reminds me....we should have a logrotate like thing for bootchart11:20
nickrudI still mostly boot breezy. I need this thing to work :)11:20
Kyrallogrotate itself won't work11:20
Burgworknickrud, if you have a dapper box, fire one up there11:20
nickrudwell, I have a dapper sort of in a xen box 'out there'11:21
nickruda game box I guess you'd call it.11:22
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BurgworkKyral, BasicCommands11:23
Kyralyah thats stopping me from doing it right now lol11:23
Kyraleven so its becoming more than "basic commands"11:24
KyralPeople are calling for me to do things on Shell Scripting11:24
Burgworkthen fix it11:25
Kyralthe basiccommands?11:25
nickrudtldp has some useable docs on bash. 11:26
Kyralyah11:27
nickrudI'm thinking, it's hard to write that kind of stuff11:27
Kyralseems like I tend to translate into newbiespeak :D11:27
nickrudthat's hard too. 11:28
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KyralI actually think i tried to email the guy who wrote the Basic Commands page...11:29
Kyraldon't think I even got a reply11:30
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