[12:36] <lamont> a500 won't run 32-bit, iirc
[12:36] <lamont> j5k needs some 64-bit love, but 32 seems pretty stable
[06:54] <fabbione> BenC: you didn't pull from me for 10.15, did you?
[07:13] <fabbione> hey BenC 
[07:13] <fabbione> BenC: you didn't pull from me for 10.15, did you?
[02:56] <BenC> fabbione: no, I didn't, wanted to get 10.15 out with the amd64 stuff, but it will be there for X.16
[02:56] <jbailey> Hey kids. =)
[02:56] <BenC> hey jeff
[02:57] <zul> heylo
[02:58] <zul> happy post-boxing day
[03:01] <jbailey> Happy my-sisters-birthday. =)
[03:01] <BenC> happy b-day to your sister :)
[03:01] <jbailey> Fun filled holidays!  A day for EVERYTHING!
[03:01] <zul> happy hanauka
[03:02] <jbailey> zul: Has that started yet?
[03:02] <BenC> happy I-get-my-powerbook-today day
[03:02] <jbailey> BenC: Oooo!
[03:03] <jbailey> BenC: Have those things started coming down in price now that Apple's moving away from ppc?
[03:03] <BenC> would've gotten it sooner, except they spent 2 days trying to get Yellow-Dog running on it, and I told them I was going to reinstall anyway, so just ship it
[03:03] <BenC> jbailey: dunno, but I got a nice fat discount on it for being some sort of kernel person
[03:04] <zul> jbailey: yesterday i think
[03:04] <zul> BenC: hmm...maybe i should try that scam ;)
[03:05] <BenC> I used to scam a lot of hw when I was about 13
[03:05] <BenC> called places and said "I work for a magazine and want to review your product"
[03:06] <BenC> my biggest score was getting the NES the day it went on the shelves, and having priority pre-releases from all the game makers
[03:06] <BenC> was the envy of all the neighborhood kids
[03:06] <zul> bastard!
[03:06] <zul> ls
[03:06] <zul> doh
[03:07] <zul> i had legend of zelda and kung fu when i first got mine
[03:08] <BenC> zelda was awesome
[03:08] <BenC> I think I wasted more time on that game than any other
[03:09] <zul> yeah i still play it
[03:10] <zul> i had excitebike as well making courses was fun
[03:10] <BenC> yeah, excite bike was another weekend-killer :)
[03:10] <BenC> mike tysons punchout was another
[03:10] <zul> metroid
[03:12] <zul> BenC: i broke my git tree this weekend again i have to figure out why im keep breakinng t
[03:12] <BenC> mmm...metroid
[03:14] <zul> the other legends of zelda suck
[03:21] <BenC> yeah, never liked them much either, the original was simply the best
[03:25] <jbailey> I should find the ROMs and play it. =)
[03:26] <jbailey> Perhaps it'll give something for Angie to be addicted to aside from nethack. =)
[03:28] <zul> jbailey: actually at the malls you can get a controller with all of these roms loaded on well at least in ottawa
[03:35] <jbailey> *lol*
[03:35] <jbailey> I don't have a TV is the problem.
[03:35] <jbailey> So it pretty much needs to run on i386 or ppc linux. =)
[03:36] <zul> ah well sucks to be you...
[03:36] <zul> i was playinng super mario bros in the mall on boxing day ;)
[03:40] <dilinger> jbailey: *tetrinet*
[03:40] <dilinger> you need to get angie addicted to that
[03:41] <jbailey> dilinger: She doesn't enjoy competing against other humans.
[03:41] <dilinger> jbailey: neither do i, normally..
[03:41] <jbailey> dilinger: *I* however, enjoy a good game of tetrinet.
[03:42] <dilinger> http://www.retrousb.com/nintendo.html
[03:42] <dilinger> ^ that is, btw, a requirement for playing nintendo games properly on your computer
[03:42] <jbailey> AHAHAHAH Sweet!
[03:42] <dilinger> hm, price went up.  they were $24 when i bought mine
[03:42] <jbailey> I swear those nintendo ones were the last game controllers that I  understoof.
[03:43] <dilinger> heh.  i had a jaguar
[03:43] <dilinger> http://www.retrousb.com/jaguar.html
[03:43] <jbailey> It actually says nintendo on it...
[03:43] <dilinger> i dunno what crack atari was smoking when they designed those controllers..
[03:43] <jbailey> Is this an official product, or are they just refurbing them?
[03:44] <zul> coleco damn it!
[03:44] <dilinger> jbailey: "official" how?  they start w/ actual nintendo controllers and USB-ize them
[03:44] <jbailey> Does nintendo still sell those?
[03:44] <dilinger> i don't believe so
[03:44] <jbailey> Right, so they're refurb somehow.
[03:45] <jbailey> MEans I should buy one before they run out. =)
[03:45] <BenC> I wish UPS had a GPS tracker on their trucks that linked to the tracking web page
[03:45] <zul> there is probaly a market for nintendo
[03:45] <dilinger> they have a whole lot more stuff now
[03:45] <jbailey> BenC: Dude, that would so be a mistake. =)
[03:45] <dilinger> they never used to have a powerglove
[03:45] <jbailey> BenC: CAn you imagine all the hijackings?
[03:45] <BenC> jbailey: but I want to know the exact minute my damn package gets here! :)
[03:46] <jbailey> It would be clever if they could SMS you 5 minutes before.
[03:46] <jbailey> "Now would be a good time to put away the pr0n, wash your hands and put some clothes on.  -- UPS"
[03:46] <BenC> yeah, that would be nice, or atleast an extra line that said "The truck is withing 3 miles of your home
[03:48] <dilinger> jbailey: a video camera pointing at your driveway/street would do the trick as well, i'd imagine
[03:48] <jbailey> dilinger: I want push notification.
[03:48] <dilinger> heh
[03:48] <jbailey> Although I guess image rec of a UPS truck might help.
[03:49] <dilinger> silly programmers and their aversion to polling
[03:49] <jbailey> "Large brown blob detected.  Either a UPS trunk or SAM heading your way"
[03:49] <jbailey> dilinger: Not programmer, network engineer. =)
[03:51] <BenC> maybe next time I'll get the person shipping me something to throw in a GPS transmitter box, so I can track it myself
[03:52] <BenC> like one of those child-wristwatch trackers
[03:53] <zul> tie it around the delivery guy's ankle so you can see when he goes to the bathroom and ask yourself why is he doing that he should be deliviring my package
[03:53] <zul> or that could be too much
[04:01] <doko> BenC: replied, but I cannot see a SMP string on a x2 CPU either.
[04:02] <BenC> doko: I don't expect that there will be a string on real SMP machines, just on UP systems
[04:02] <BenC> SMP == > 1 cpu, or multi-core cpu's
[04:02] <BenC> either of those will just work without the message
[04:03] <BenC> doko: if you don't see it on a real UP system, then something is confusing it into thinking there is > 1 cpu, and I'll need to enable the debug stuff to see why
[04:16] <doko> BenC: no SMP string on a single core CPU
[04:18] <BenC> doko: can you email me the full dmesg?
[04:24] <BenC> doko: both dmesg outputs are truncated, and missing the initial part where the CPU's are detected and brough online, which is where the alternative SMP info will show up
[04:25] <BenC> maybe I should create a proc or sysfs file to show the current state
[04:30] <fabbione> BenC: ok, ocfs2 mostlikely will break the ABI
[04:30] <fabbione> they do it very often
[04:30] <BenC> no problem
[04:37] <BenC> rest of my day is full
[04:37] <BenC> laptop just arrived
[04:40] <fabbione> oh ehheeh
[04:40] <fabbione> if you can't install breezy, let me know
[04:40] <fabbione> i have the modified breezy installer/kj
[04:40] <fabbione> installer/kernel
[04:40] <BenC> can you put it somewhere for me?
[04:41] <fabbione> sure
[04:45] <fabbione> copying to chinstrap now
[04:46] <fabbione> BenC: 
[04:46] <fabbione> fabbione@gordian:~$ md5sum ppcnetboot.tar.gz 
[04:46] <fabbione> 08ba6c5bc0349da65f07a93a36a4de58  ppcnetboot.tar.gz
[04:46] <fabbione> fabbione@gordian:~$ ls -las ppcnetboot.tar.gz 
[04:46] <fabbione> 27084 -rw-r--r-- 1 fabbione fabbione 27699200 2005-12-28 16:43 ppcnetboot.tar.gz
[04:46] <fabbione> fabbione@gordian:~$ 
[04:46] <fabbione> it will be in my home on chinstrap in about 10 minutes
[04:47] <fabbione> it has the netboot setup and the modified kernel
[04:47] <fabbione> basically you netinstall..
[04:47] <fabbione> before you reboot you install the kernel that's in there
[04:47] <fabbione> that's a .12 with the new PCI ID's
[04:47] <fabbione> nothing more
[04:47] <fabbione> (it's an old .12)
[04:47] <fabbione> .15 will work out of the box
[04:48] <fabbione> now.. since our dear sysadmins have  broken archive.u.c it's not possible to complete stage2 in netinstall
[04:48] <fabbione> and it hasn't been fixed in more than a month
[04:48] <fabbione> if you want ubuntu-desktop installed 100%
[04:49] <fabbione> you need to do a bad trick with cdebconf
[04:50] <fabbione> basically there is a template that contains a string called ubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <fabbione> something like:  ~tubuntu-base|~tubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <fabbione> similar.. not the same
[04:50] <fabbione> you need to change it to:
[04:51] <fabbione> ~tubuntu-base|~t^ubuntu-desktop$
[04:51] <fabbione> (basically add ^ and $ to what's there)
[04:54] <fabbione> BenC: upload done
[04:54] <fabbione> have fun
[04:54] <fabbione> i need to go shopping
[04:54] <BenC> thanks
[04:54] <fabbione> later
[04:54] <BenC> later
[04:54] <fabbione> no problem
[04:54] <fabbione> also.. i hope you have a USB mouse :)
[04:54] <fabbione> the touchpad doesn't work yet ;)
[05:44] <zul> https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1671
[05:44] <zul> hey mjg59 
[05:47] <mjg59> Afternoon
[05:56] <BenC> zul: lol, what a constructive bug report
[06:17] <fabbione> BenC: is it working?
[06:17] <BenC> breezy install didn't detect my cdrom, so I am getting the alternative boot setup
[06:18] <BenC> I'm going to try a dapper flight2 install first, because I'm interested in whether it works or not
[06:18] <fabbione> yes i told you
[06:18] <fabbione> breezy needs a crafted kernel :)
[06:18] <fabbione> or try to install dapper
[06:18] <fabbione> that's why there is the extra kernel in my tar
[06:18] <fabbione> .12 is missin the new PCI ID's for * in that box
[06:18] <BenC> this computer is nice though
[06:18] <fabbione> ehhe
[06:19] <fabbione> i know :)
[06:19] <BenC> is yours 17"?
[06:19] <fabbione> yup
[06:20] <fabbione> finally.. i mean finally my adsl is back to a usable state
[06:20] <fabbione> 650KB download today was quite hot
[06:20] <BenC> ah, then you can appreciate the screen on this thing
[06:20] <fabbione> better than pron
[06:20] <fabbione> BenC: yes!
[06:21] <fabbione> i only need to get sound working
[06:21] <fabbione> but DVD video is hella cool
[06:21] <BenC> sound and touchpad are my first goals today after install
[06:21] <fabbione> ask benh and the other guy.. what's his name...
[06:21] <BenC> touchpad should be working on 2.6.15-rc7 actually
[06:21] <fabbione> it's not enough to add the ID to the appletouch driver
[06:21] <BenC> if not, I have a patch for it
[06:22] <fabbione> ah cool
[06:22] <BenC> yeah, I've been following the thread in l-k
[06:22] <fabbione> sound is loaded properly by alsa
[06:22] <fabbione> but i didn't manage to get anything out
[06:22] <fabbione> it might be just my settings..
[06:22] <BenC> I think there's an ID missing for sound
[06:22] <fabbione> didn't spend more than 2 secs on it
[06:22] <BenC> I have a bug report about it
[06:22] <fabbione> remember to install regionset once you have done
[06:22] <fabbione> the DVD reader is locked
[06:23] <fabbione> sounds cool
[06:23] <fabbione> let me know when i can pull and i will test my side :)
[06:23] <fabbione> btw the change to the thermal_ will make you happy on ppc :)
[06:24] <fabbione> it makes silence a few tons of entry in dmesg each time the fan speed change ;)
[06:24] <BenC> hehe, thanks :)
[06:24] <fabbione> :)
[06:24] <fabbione>  got fedup with it while building test kernel
[06:24] <fabbione> and trying to get keyboard backklight working
[06:24] <fabbione> :)
[06:25] <fabbione> anyway i need to go and clean the fridge
[06:25] <fabbione> i hate when my wife starts projects
[06:25] <fabbione> and leaves them half way
[06:25] <fabbione> later
[06:25] <zul> hehe..
[06:27] <zul> i hate it when my wife sweet talks me into letting her go to the casion
[06:31] <BenC> you let her go and stay home? :)
[06:31] <zul> yeah..
[06:32] <zul> apparently im the responsible one with money this month
[06:32] <BenC> man, that should be the other way around :)
[06:32] <BenC> hehe
[06:32] <BenC> little more than a month till my Atlantic City trip
[06:32] <zul> it usually is but Im paying the overdraft this month..
[06:32] <zul> coolio
[06:33] <BenC> I'll leave the day after I get back from the London Sprint
[06:33] <zul> london sprint?
[06:40] <BenC> we have another developer spring at the end of January in London
[06:40] <BenC> sprint
[06:40] <BenC> like a mini-summit I guess
[06:40] <BenC> distro-team only
[06:41] <zul> ah cool..
[06:42] <BenC> this will be my first time off the continent :)
[06:42] <zul> been there done that ;)
[06:46] <jbailey> BenC: Eh, cool.
[06:55] <dilinger> neat
[06:55] <dilinger> i just hung breezy's kernel w/ openswan :/
[07:02] <zul> isnt it openswan the freeswan replacement?
[07:03] <dilinger> yes
[07:03] <dilinger> i mean, there's a few replacement
[07:03] <dilinger> s
[07:03] <dilinger> strongswan, openswan..
[07:03] <dilinger> openswan is the most active, it would appear
[07:04] <zul> freeswan was all about politics i find from what i remember
[08:18] <makx> teledat.sourceforge.net seems quite dead
[08:32] <jbailey> dilinger: Ken Bancroft from Ottawa had told me that the freeswan devs mostly moved to openswan.
[08:32] <dilinger> --- [kenb]  (i=ken@moe.vpsn.net) : Ken Bantoft
[08:33] <dilinger> that guy?
[08:33] <jbailey> Hmm.  I thought it was bancraft.
[08:33] <dilinger> he was helping me earlier in #openswan
[08:34] <jbailey> Right, Bantoft.
[08:34] <jbailey> He's in Ottaw.
[08:34] <jbailey> +a
[10:11] <zul> god i love wirless