=== gubuntulo [n=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === Topic for #ubuntu-toolchain: Ubuntu Toolchain - The GNU Compiler Collection, Binutils, glibc, and moon-buggy. === Topic (#ubuntu-toolchain): set by infinity at Wed Nov 9 18:03:55 2005 === #ubuntu-toolchain [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, services and participating registered users ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )... Thanks! === fabbione_ [n=fabbione@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === fabbione_ [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-067-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain [11:11] hi fabbione [11:12] hi doko [11:21] COW [11:21] did you upload something? [11:25] yes, remains of C++ stuff === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-106-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === tonyms [n=user@88.0.192.25] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain [04:11] I'm building the binutils package from the package source on Breezy, and notice binutils-2.16.1 has a gcc build-dep. Could this build-dep not be on c-compiler instead? I already had gcc-3.4 installed; would that not have been sufficient? [04:12] Thanks! Sorry if this question is overly clueless or in the wrong channel, I'm new to Ubuntu... === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-106-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain [04:45] tonyms: Usually iif there's a specific build-dep it's done for a reason. [04:45] tonyms: Often miscompile problems. === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-106-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain [05:29] jbailey: depending on gcc (>= 2.95.2) isn't very specific, though. libtool, say, build-deps on gcc | c-compiler. Is there any reason this doesn't apply to binutils? It's annoying to have to install gcc-4.0 when a perfectly viable C compiler already exists on the system. [05:29] tonyms: libtool is actually buggy there. IIRC, it's against policy to depend on thing covered by build-essential if there's no versioned dependancy [05:30] In this case, gcc-2.95's dependancy could probably be dropped. [05:30] I don't see anything in there that forces gcc-4.0 [05:30] Aside from regular build-essential fun [05:46] Cheers! Not sure I like the idea of build-essential, though :) It always uses the system compiler (gcc), which means programs whose codebase hasn't been upgraded so gcc-4.0 can handle it are hosed on my machine. [05:52] Anything that hasn't been debugged for gcc-4.0 is pretty much trash material anyway. [05:52] At this point, everything in Debian is already done, and all of the actual compliance bugs are pretty much gone from gcc-4.0 [05:53] The last gcc-3 update has now been released. Anything before 4.0 is pretty much considered dead. [05:59] jbailey: there will be a last 3.4.6 in February (famous last words ...) [06:00] doko: Eh? I thought he said 3.4.5 was the last. *sigh* [06:00] What's the point of it? gcc-4.0 isn't that far away from being oldstable. [06:01] jbailey: that's all very well, but the C compiler isn't used just to compile Debian. I would have a hard time convincing management that the system we sell our paying customers is "trash material" :) [06:02] tonyms: *lol* possible. But you might point out that it's probably poorly coded and perhaps some developer education time is needed. [06:03] tonyms: Minus the occasional compiler bug, the gcc-4.0 transition is pretty much just moving to code that is actually standards compliant. [06:03] We used to host weekly workshops at one company I worked for. Covered things like this. It worked out really nicely. [06:05] jbailey: we're on our way; we already have migration guides, FAQs and the like, but the transition isn't over yet, so we have to support it for the time being, unfortunately. Still, I'm learning a fair amount about cross-compiling with GCC :) [06:06] jbailey: yes, I think we should get it into dapper, although it will miss feature freeze a bit [06:13] doko: Given that it's not the system compiler, I don't see a problem with that. [06:18] jbailey: yes, I'd like to have the ok from the glibc maintainer ;) [06:18] I'd love to do a round of builds with it , but gab's been good with the updats. === tonyms` [n=user@88.1.34.123] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === tonyms`` [n=user@88.1.34.123] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === tonyms``` [n=user@88.1.34.123] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-106-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-toolchain === tonyms``` [n=user@88.1.34.123] has left #ubuntu-toolchain ["ERC]