=== robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:48] Maybe this is a good doc to read: http://www.iosn.net/education/foss-education-primer/ === hekar [n=hekar@Quebec-HSE-ppp3618467.sympatico.ca] has joined #edubuntu [12:57] hi === pitux [n=pitux@148-181-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_dinner === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun_ is now known as crimsun === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === karu [n=gc@24-159-151-16.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === karu [n=gc@24-159-151-16.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com] has left #edubuntu [] === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] I'll be right back === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202-149-56-110.exatt.net] has joined #edubuntu === freelove [n=yasser@59.93.246.172] has joined #edubuntu === freelove [n=yasser@59.93.246.172] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-55.tri-isys.com] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-9-82-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === spacey_ki [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.19.27] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === writer [n=ivan@217.77.113.1] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D862.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === writer [n=ivan@217.77.113.1] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === freelove [n=yasser@59.93.246.172] has joined #edubuntu === aya [n=yann@cav13-3-82-234-224-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === writer [n=ivan@217.77.113.1] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.19.27] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveaz is now known as Seveas === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:33] hi ogra_ibook === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-236.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-236.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu === dade [n=dade@64.201.33.120] has joined #edubuntu [01:56] during usage edubuntu hangs alot on via gigapro board [01:57] dade: using nvidia binary module ? [01:58] no! just the onboard vga card which is sis [01:59] dade: ok. does it happen on a specific application ? [02:01] it happens randomly after logon, it happened while i was trying to configure the ext modem [02:04] dade: no heating issues ? [02:05] well may be i needto check that out. Though I have ubuntu on this laptop with the same chipset and performance has been ok [02:06] dade: just thought I'd check - I know locally - it is unusually warm and we are having heating issues [02:07] dade: edubuntu is just ubuntu with different default packages === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [02:11] I would like to get edubuntu to work on this type of boards because it will serve thelow end user environment like the rural schools [02:13] I just feel heating might be an issue considering the small fan on that processor [02:15] dade: I'm honestly not familiar with that board, but in my experience, recently there seems to be scrimping on adequate cooling in many systems, as it's "too loud" [02:15] dade: do you have any messages in syslog when it hangs ? [02:16] dade: you can open /var/log/syslog up in a text editor, and see if there were any odd messages just before a hang [02:18] I tried checking out the syslog and it hang again before i could get thru. The board has its procesor etched in on the motherboard and is very cheap [02:19] dade: yet it works with "normal" ubuntu ? [02:20] dade: if you press "Esc" on startup to get the grub menu, can you run memtest86 without it hanging ? [02:26] I have done memtest before but did wait for it to complete, I will redo it and surely feedback [02:28] I have done memtest before but didn't wait for it to complete, I will redo it and surely feedback [02:38] Thanks Yagisan === zakame [n=zak@210.213.77.145] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === writer [n=ivan@217.77.113.1] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] hello mhz , writer :D [03:09] Hi [03:09] hi zakame [03:11] zakame: I know this is OT, but any idea how to convert ogg into mp3? [03:14] mhz: you don't want to do that [03:14] mhz: hm there are scripts to do that I think :) like mp32ogg, except that in your case it should be ogg2mp3 :) [03:14] Yagisan: i know, it is not for me [03:15] :( [03:15] I can make ogg into wav [03:15] mhz: ahh, so they don't have the source anymore [03:15] mhz: mp3 & ogg are like jpg [03:15] yup [03:15] I suppose you can also make a gstreamer pipeline from vorbis src to mpegsink [03:15] mhz: they work by throwing away information [03:16] mhz: any mp3's made from an ogg, will sound crap to anyone with working ears [03:16] mhz: that said, we can convert them [03:17] mhz: http://marginalhacks.com/bin/ogg2mp3 ?? this help [03:18] not unless mp3 is encoded as vbr [03:18] (but usually mp3s are cbr) === mhz tabbing === sTo0z [n=stoozoft@mohawk.mtrsd.k12.ma.us] has joined #edubuntu [03:27] Alright guys, this is going to seem hilarious to some of you, but I can't for the life of me, add users to an edubuntu server so that thin clients can login. [03:29] sTo0z: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups [03:29] Yep, was there :) [03:29] Added users in the standard fashion, but the clients would not log in. [03:30] does the admin user work ? [03:30] hmm let me try [03:31] ogra_ibook: I'd like some words with you when i'm back home (about 6 hours :( ) Any chances you might be around ? [03:31] i hope so ... [03:31] Yes, the admin account worked [03:31] hmm, thats strange ... [03:31] do you have anothe machine handy ? [03:31] So just adding users in the standard way is the way to do it? [03:32] could you try to log in via ssh with one of the users you created ? [03:32] Umm, not especially, there is an obnoxious mix of NICs here, i'd have to go through another PXE/ rom-o-matic session ;) [03:32] yah I can try that [03:33] normally users work right away if they are added to the system either way [03:33] any use that can ssh into the system can also use ltsp ... [03:33] s7use/user [03:35] had to restart the server, the mouse went nuts [03:35] :P === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [03:42] ok [03:42] created a fresh user [03:42] unable to login from thin client machine [03:42] CAN ssh [03:47] and just for the record, when a user tries to login, the screen flickers for a bit, then it goes back to the login screen, no error or anything [03:47] if that tells you anythiong [03:48] not really [03:49] heh, didn't think so [03:49] hm perhaps something's wrogn at the local level [03:49] can you create a root password in the chroot and log in on console at the thin client ? [03:49] then have a look at /var/log/ldm.log [03:50] trying [03:50] its wierd that the admin account logged in fine though, isn't it? [03:51] its weird that th eaccounts that can ssh into the server cannot login via the thin client [03:51] right so it cant be the machine, because thre is at least one login that is working (the admin) [03:52] it can only be a ssh problem ... since all login stuff happens at this level [03:52] sTo0z: have you ever tried to log in on the server int a normal gnome session? [03:52] but ldm.log will show [03:53] ogra_ibook: my ppc installation somehow hangs [03:53] lucasvo, edubuntu ? [03:53] lucasvo: you mean locally onto the machine itself? [03:53] jup [03:53] sTo0z: yes [03:54] lucasvo, but you selected workstation ? [03:54] ogra_ibook: yes [03:54] note the default instll wont work yet [03:54] let me verify that real quick :) [03:54] thats strange ... look at console 4 where it hangs [03:55] ogra_ibook: how can I get to console 4? ctrL+alt+ f4 doesn't wok [03:55] alright logged into the server with a user and got a bunch of home directory errors [03:55] one that it didn't exist [03:55] and one about permissions [03:55] ah [03:55] that explains it [03:56] you didnt tell whatever tool you used for making the users to create the homedirs for them [03:57] so what is the standard way to add users with the "Users and Groups" interface to avoid this problem? [03:57] ogra_ibook: what do you think of:http://www.digitec.ch/ProdukteDetails2.aspx?Reiter=Details&Artikel=113986 [03:58] ogra_ibook: Bad archive mirror, the specified Ubuntu archive mirror is either ont available, or does not have a valid release file on it. please try a different mirror [03:59] looks like your network card is down ... [04:00] ogra_ibook: do I really need internet connection for edubuntu install? [04:00] is it a joke or what? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:01] nope, you didnt choose an english install i guess [04:02] ogra_ibook: I did, but I selected the swiss keyboard layot [04:02] and I chose country: CH [04:02] so thats your prob then ... as noted in the flight2 release notes ;) [04:03] another error: No NewWorld boot partition was found. The yaboot boot loader requires an Apple_Bootstrap partition at least 819200 bytes in size, using the HFS file system [04:03] ogra_ibook, hi [04:04] but there is:#1 32.2kB Apple [04:04] hi jsgotangco [04:04] thanks for your help guys! [04:04] sTo0z, works now ? [04:04] ogra_ibook, ppc fetish lately? [04:04] no, but i think i can get there now :) [04:04] just gotta figure out how to add users correctly in the users and groups interface [04:04] jsgotangco, long standing whish :) [04:05] im guessing its in the advanced tab somewhere [04:05] jsgotangco, and i want to make JaneW happy with a working ppc image this release :) [04:05] ogra_ibook: could it be, that guided partitioning with LVM isn't working correctly? [04:05] oohhh [04:05] lucasvo, no idea, never used lvm on a desktop ... [04:05] i'm getting a ppc by feb, it'll be fun [04:06] i got ppc ltsp working since yesterday, quite cool [04:06] *LOL* [04:06] when I choose guided partitioning and then no LVM, erase entiredisk: [04:08] Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/hda3 -- Device or resource busy. This means LInux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/hda3 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. [04:08] ERROR!!! [04:08] Ignore/Cancel [04:08] ogra_ibook: you never used lvm on a desktop - shame on you [04:09] why ? [04:09] lucasvo: when I did breezy, I did a manual lvm. I blatantly ignored that error myself [04:09] i usually have 2 partitions ... no matter how big the disk is on my desktops [04:10] ogra_ibook: what should I do with my installation? [04:10] ogra_ibook: I take it you've never had to resize desktop partitions [04:10] Yagisan, if i take all space, there is nothing left to resize ;) [04:10] ogra_ibook: btw - the shame on you was tonge in cheek [04:11] :) [04:11] s/tonge/tongue [04:11] i know [04:11] ogra_ibook, i wonder though if there are people actually using a mac as an ltsp server though [04:11] lucasvo, go on with a normal manual partitioning ? [04:11] ogra_ibook: how do I have to partition manually? [04:11] jsgotangco, not really, but lots of cheap old imacs [04:12] lucasvo, with the partitioner tool ... [04:12] it offers a manual partitioning [04:12] ogra_ibook: well, when all your windows using mates joke that you could be your own torrent site, you do fine resize handy [04:13] jsgotangco: ppc would be a nice server - but even I think it will be ppc clients [04:13] jsgotangco, if apple drops ppc you'll get tons of cheap imac, so the ppc arch is important for thin clients [04:13] ogra_ibook: did you get my explanations about qemu and ppc binaries the other day ? [04:14] Yagisan, i *could* use gparted and resize my ext3 partition without any hassle if i wanted ... [04:14] no need for lvm [04:14] ogra_ibook, lots of legacy support love yes... [04:14] ogra_ibook: onto a second disk too ... [04:15] nope [04:16] ogra_ibook: which nope - qemu or disk ? [04:16] Yagisan, true, that wont work ... but there is no reason that i couldnt mount the second disk in my homedir if i really need it ... and i save a lot of layers between me and the hardware [04:16] quemu [04:17] ogra_ibook: ok - just a sec, I'll dig up my log [04:19] hilariously enough the mouse flipped out again and now im stuck at 640 x 480 resolution :P [04:20] what kind of mouse is this and what kind of graphics card ? [04:21] ogra_ibook: found the log [04:21] got it [04:26] so people, what filesystem(s) are you using on your edubuntu or ltsp server ? I'll get started - /boot & / = ext3, all others jfs [04:27] ext3 all over the place [04:27] and surely no /boot [04:27] i'm a big fan of xfs on servers though [04:28] ogra_ibook: I tried xfs. It died horribly depending on whether I booted a 64bit or 32bit kernel [04:29] heh, i dont play with kernels on production servers [04:29] wuss :-P [04:37] ok so when I'm making accounts [04:37] it's putting in the home directory in their settings [04:37] but it's not creating the directory [04:37] i;m supposed to create them all manually? [04:37] nope [04:37] that's the login error they get, the home dir doesnt exist and it asks if you want to use / instead, which they wouldnt have privs for obviously [04:37] there is something wrong i guess [04:38] which is why the thin clients arent getting in [04:38] yup [04:38] wierd.. this is all a fresh install :\ [04:38] i never had such probs and havent heard something similar yet === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-55.tri-isys.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:40] just tried to make a directory on administrator (the account i setup during install) and he got denied. [04:40] is /home/$user shown in the second tab of the add-user popup win ? [04:40] hmm [04:41] is your /home mounted read only by chance ? [04:42] just looked, seems fine, there's write permissions on it [04:43] very strange [04:43] and the dirs you created manually have the right owners and permissions ? [04:44] havent made any manually yet, well just did sorta [04:44] su'd in and made one, testing now [04:45] su'd ?? [04:45] in an edubuntu ? [04:46] ok had to manually create the folder and then manually change all the permissions to the new account [04:46] yah the account made during install was getting denied, so sudo su - === Petaris [n=Petaris@FredericSD-162.nat.wiscnet.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:47] sure, the account is as powerless as any other unless you use sudo in front of your commands [04:47] we didnt just clone root and called it differently ;) [04:49] hehe [04:49] so yah the foldres arent getting created when new users are added [04:49] :\ [04:49] hmm they get here ... [04:50] there is something weird with your setup ... how did you install ? default install, workstation or server install with setting up anything manually [04:50] s/anything/everything/ [04:54] default [04:54] hit enter at the prompt [04:54] not server or anything [04:54] let it run, set up the IP and everything with 192.168.0.1 etc [04:55] hmm [04:55] so during setup [04:55] the account yuo create [04:55] should you be able to log in wih that account [04:55] and use the users and groups thing? [04:56] or do you need root and do it from the command line? [05:01] you do it with the admin account you created ... [05:02] root is disabled by default ... in the default setup the user and groups admin tool will ask you for your password before showing the window [05:02] right [05:02] it does all that [05:02] wanna hear something funny? [05:02] its working now apparently [05:02] and i didnt even change anything [05:03] just created some more accounts and now they are showing up in home directory for some reason [05:09] hmm [05:14] no idea :x === Wedge [n=vegard@195.159.157.54] has joined #edubuntu [05:15] there's two other "better than me at linux" guys here, but they said they didnt touch anything either [05:25] well i thank you a whole bunch for your effort you put in for me ogra, it is much appreciated.. luckily this was a small test environment, hopefully the real deal goes a little smoother ;) [05:27] feel free to come back with more questions :) === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-9-82-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] === crimsun [n=crimsun@cpe-066-056-187-199.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@FredericSD-162.nat.wiscnet.net] has left #edubuntu ["Out"] === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084FF21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.36] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === solv [n=solv@144.135.162.82] has joined #edubuntu [09:19] what sort of user/desktop administration comes with edubuntu? Can I control menu & desktop settings for all and specific users when using ltsp? === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-236.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@156-179-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu