[12:48] <mhz> Maybe this is a good doc to read: http://www.iosn.net/education/foss-education-primer/
[12:57] <hekar> hi
[04:08] <mhz_dinner> I'll be right back
[12:33] <lucasvo> hi ogra_ibook 
[01:56] <dade> during usage edubuntu hangs alot on via gigapro board
[01:57] <Yagisan> dade: using nvidia binary module ?
[01:58] <dade> no! just the onboard vga card which is sis 
[01:59] <Yagisan> dade: ok. does it happen on a specific application ?
[02:01] <dade> it happens randomly after logon, it happened while i was trying to configure the ext modem
[02:04] <Yagisan> dade: no heating issues ?
[02:05] <dade> well may be i needto check that out. Though I have ubuntu on this laptop with the same chipset and performance has been ok
[02:06] <Yagisan> dade: just thought I'd check - I know locally - it is unusually warm and we are having heating issues
[02:07] <Yagisan> dade: edubuntu is just ubuntu with different default packages
[02:11] <dade> I would like to get edubuntu to work on this type of boards because it will serve thelow end user environment like the rural schools
[02:13] <dade> I just feel heating might be an issue considering the small fan on that processor
[02:15] <Yagisan> dade: I'm honestly not familiar with that board, but in my experience, recently there seems to be scrimping on adequate cooling in many systems, as it's "too loud"
[02:15] <Yagisan> dade: do you have any messages in syslog when it hangs ?
[02:16] <Yagisan> dade: you can open /var/log/syslog up in a text editor, and see if there were any odd messages just before a hang
[02:18] <dade> I tried checking out the syslog and it hang again before i could get thru. The board has its procesor etched in on the motherboard  and is very cheap
[02:19] <Yagisan> dade: yet it works with "normal" ubuntu ?
[02:20] <Yagisan> dade: if you press "Esc" on startup to get the grub menu, can you run memtest86 without it hanging ?
[02:26] <dade> I have done memtest before but did wait for it to complete, I will redo it and surely feedback
[02:28] <dade> I have done memtest before but didn't wait for it to complete, I will redo it and surely feedback
[02:38] <dade> Thanks Yagisan
[03:09] <zakame> hello mhz , writer :D
[03:09] <writer> Hi
[03:09] <mhz> hi zakame 
[03:11] <mhz> zakame: I know this is OT, but any idea how to convert ogg into mp3?
[03:14] <Yagisan> mhz: you don't want to do that
[03:14] <zakame> mhz: hm there are scripts to do that I think :) like mp32ogg, except that in your case it should be ogg2mp3 :)
[03:14] <mhz> Yagisan: i know, it is not for me
[03:15] <mhz> :(
[03:15] <mhz> I can make ogg into wav
[03:15] <Yagisan> mhz: ahh, so they don't have the source anymore
[03:15] <Yagisan> mhz: mp3 & ogg are like jpg
[03:15] <mhz> yup
[03:15] <zakame> I suppose you can also make a gstreamer pipeline from vorbis src to mpegsink
[03:15] <Yagisan> mhz: they work by throwing away information
[03:16] <Yagisan> mhz: any mp3's made from an ogg, will sound crap to anyone with working ears
[03:16] <Yagisan> mhz: that said, we can convert them
[03:17] <Yagisan> mhz: http://marginalhacks.com/bin/ogg2mp3 ?? this help
[03:18] <zakame> not unless mp3 is encoded as vbr
[03:18] <zakame> (but usually mp3s are cbr)
[03:27] <sTo0z> Alright guys, this is going to seem hilarious to some of you, but I can't for the life of me, add users to an edubuntu server so that thin clients can login.
[03:29] <Yagisan> sTo0z: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups
[03:29] <sTo0z> Yep, was there :)
[03:29] <sTo0z> Added users in the standard fashion, but the clients would not log in.
[03:30] <ogra_ibook> does the admin user work ? 
[03:30] <sTo0z> hmm let me try
[03:31] <mhz> ogra_ibook: I'd like some words with you when i'm back home (about 6 hours :( ) Any chances you might be around ?
[03:31] <ogra_ibook> i hope so ...
[03:31] <sTo0z> Yes, the admin account worked
[03:31] <ogra_ibook> hmm, thats strange ...
[03:31] <ogra_ibook> do you have anothe machine handy ?
[03:31] <sTo0z> So just adding users in the standard way is the way to do it?
[03:32] <ogra_ibook> could you try to log in via ssh with one of the users you created ? 
[03:32] <sTo0z> Umm, not especially, there is an obnoxious mix of NICs here, i'd have to go through another PXE/ rom-o-matic session ;)
[03:32] <sTo0z> yah I can try that
[03:33] <ogra_ibook> normally users work right away if they are added to the system either way
[03:33] <ogra_ibook> any use that can ssh into the system can also use ltsp ...
[03:33] <ogra_ibook> s7use/user
[03:35] <sTo0z> had to restart the server, the mouse went nuts
[03:35] <sTo0z> :P
[03:42] <sTo0z> ok
[03:42] <sTo0z> created a fresh user
[03:42] <sTo0z> unable to login from thin client machine
[03:42] <sTo0z> CAN ssh
[03:47] <sTo0z> and just for the record, when a user tries to login, the screen flickers for a bit, then it goes back to the login screen, no error or anything
[03:47] <sTo0z> if that tells you anythiong
[03:48] <ogra_ibook> not really
[03:49] <sTo0z> heh, didn't think so
[03:49] <zakame> hm perhaps something's wrogn at the local level
[03:49] <ogra_ibook> can you create a root password in the chroot and log in on console at the thin client ?
[03:49] <ogra_ibook> then have a look at /var/log/ldm.log
[03:50] <sTo0z> trying
[03:50] <sTo0z> its wierd that the admin account logged in fine though, isn't it?
[03:51] <ogra_ibook> its weird that th eaccounts that can ssh into the server cannot login via the thin client
[03:51] <sTo0z> right so it cant be the machine, because thre is at least one login that is working (the admin)
[03:52] <ogra_ibook> it can only be a ssh problem ... since all login stuff happens at this level
[03:52] <lucasvo> sTo0z: have you ever tried to log in on the server int a normal gnome session?
[03:52] <ogra_ibook> but ldm.log will show
[03:53] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: my ppc installation somehow hangs
[03:53] <ogra_ibook> lucasvo, edubuntu ?
[03:53] <sTo0z> lucasvo: you mean locally onto the machine itself?
[03:53] <lucasvo> jup
[03:53] <lucasvo> sTo0z: yes
[03:54] <ogra_ibook> lucasvo, but you selected workstation ?
[03:54] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: yes
[03:54] <ogra_ibook> note the default instll wont work yet
[03:54] <sTo0z> let me verify that real quick :)
[03:54] <ogra_ibook> thats strange ... look at console 4 where it hangs
[03:55] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: how can I get to console 4? ctrL+alt+ f4 doesn't wok
[03:55] <sTo0z> alright logged into the server with a user and got a bunch of home directory errors
[03:55] <sTo0z> one that it didn't exist
[03:55] <sTo0z> and one about permissions
[03:55] <ogra_ibook> ah
[03:55] <ogra_ibook> that explains it
[03:56] <ogra_ibook> you didnt tell whatever tool you used for making the users to create the homedirs for them
[03:57] <sTo0z> so what is the standard way to add users with the "Users and Groups" interface to avoid this problem?
[03:57] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: what do you think of:http://www.digitec.ch/ProdukteDetails2.aspx?Reiter=Details&Artikel=113986
[03:58] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: Bad archive mirror, the specified Ubuntu archive mirror is either ont available, or does not have a valid release file on it. please try a different mirror
[03:59] <ogra_ibook> looks like your network card is down ...
[04:00] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: do I really need internet connection for edubuntu install?
[04:00] <lucasvo> is it a joke or what?
[04:01] <ogra_ibook> nope, you didnt choose an english install i guess
[04:02] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: I did, but I selected the swiss keyboard layot
[04:02] <lucasvo> and I chose country: CH
[04:02] <ogra_ibook> so thats your prob then ... as noted in the flight2 release notes ;)
[04:03] <lucasvo> another error: No NewWorld boot partition was found. The yaboot boot loader requires an Apple_Bootstrap partition at least 819200 bytes in size, using the HFS file system
[04:03] <jsgotangco> ogra_ibook, hi
[04:04] <lucasvo> but there is:#1 32.2kB Apple
[04:04] <ogra_ibook> hi jsgotangco 
[04:04] <sTo0z> thanks for your help guys!
[04:04] <ogra_ibook> sTo0z, works now ? 
[04:04] <jsgotangco> ogra_ibook, ppc fetish lately?
[04:04] <sTo0z> no, but i think i can get there now :)
[04:04] <sTo0z> just gotta figure out how to add users correctly in the users and groups interface
[04:04] <ogra_ibook> jsgotangco, long standing whish :)
[04:05] <sTo0z> im guessing its in the advanced tab somewhere
[04:05] <ogra_ibook> jsgotangco, and i want to make JaneW happy with a working ppc image this release :)
[04:05] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: could it be, that guided partitioning with LVM isn't working correctly?
[04:05] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[04:05] <ogra_ibook> lucasvo, no idea, never used lvm on a desktop ...
[04:05] <jsgotangco> i'm getting a ppc by feb, it'll be fun
[04:06] <ogra_ibook> i got ppc ltsp working since yesterday, quite cool 
[04:06] <lucasvo> *LOL*
[04:06] <lucasvo> when I choose guided partitioning and then no LVM, erase entiredisk:
[04:08] <lucasvo> Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/hda3 -- Device or resource busy. This means LInux won't know about any changes  you made to /dev/hda3 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting.
[04:08] <lucasvo> ERROR!!!
[04:08] <lucasvo> Ignore/Cancel
[04:08] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: you never used lvm on a desktop - shame on you
[04:09] <ogra_ibook> why ? 
[04:09] <Yagisan> lucasvo: when I did breezy, I did a manual lvm. I blatantly ignored that error myself
[04:09] <ogra_ibook> i usually have 2 partitions ... no matter how big the disk is on my desktops
[04:10] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: what should I do with my installation?
[04:10] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: I take it you've never had to resize desktop partitions
[04:10] <ogra_ibook> Yagisan, if i take all space, there is nothing left to resize ;)
[04:10] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: btw - the shame on you was tonge in cheek
[04:11] <ogra_ibook> :)
[04:11] <Yagisan> s/tonge/tongue
[04:11] <ogra_ibook> i know
[04:11] <jsgotangco> ogra_ibook, i wonder though if there are people actually using a mac as an ltsp server though
[04:11] <ogra_ibook> lucasvo, go on with a normal manual partitioning ? 
[04:11] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: how do I have to partition manually?
[04:11] <ogra_ibook> jsgotangco, not really, but lots of cheap old imacs 
[04:12] <ogra_ibook> lucasvo, with the partitioner tool ... 
[04:12] <ogra_ibook> it offers a manual partitioning
[04:12] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: well, when all your windows using mates joke that you could be your own torrent site, you do fine resize handy
[04:13] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: ppc would be a nice server - but even I think it will be ppc clients
[04:13] <ogra_ibook> jsgotangco, if apple drops ppc you'll get tons of cheap imac, so the ppc arch is important for thin clients
[04:13] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: did you get my explanations about qemu and ppc binaries the other day ?
[04:14] <ogra_ibook> Yagisan, i *could* use gparted and resize my ext3 partition without any hassle if i wanted ...
[04:14] <ogra_ibook> no need for lvm
[04:14] <jsgotangco> ogra_ibook, lots of legacy support love yes...
[04:14] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: onto a second disk too ...
[04:15] <ogra_ibook> nope
[04:16] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: which nope - qemu or disk ?
[04:16] <ogra_ibook> Yagisan, true, that wont work ... but there is no reason that i couldnt mount the second disk in my homedir if i really need it ... and i save a lot of layers between me and the hardware
[04:16] <ogra_ibook> quemu
[04:17] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: ok - just a sec, I'll dig up my log
[04:19] <sTo0z> hilariously enough the mouse flipped out again and now im stuck at 640 x 480 resolution :P
[04:20] <ogra_ibook> what kind of mouse is this and what kind of graphics card ? 
[04:21] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: found the log
[04:21] <ogra_ibook> got it
[04:26] <Yagisan> so people, what filesystem(s) are you using on your edubuntu or ltsp server ? I'll get started - /boot & / = ext3, all others jfs
[04:27] <ogra_ibook> ext3 all over the place
[04:27] <ogra_ibook> and surely no /boot
[04:27] <ogra_ibook> i'm a big fan of xfs on servers though
[04:28] <Yagisan> ogra_ibook: I tried xfs. It died horribly depending on whether I booted a 64bit or 32bit kernel
[04:29] <ogra_ibook> heh, i dont play with kernels on production servers
[04:29] <Yagisan> wuss :-P
[04:37] <sTo0z> ok so when I'm making accounts
[04:37] <sTo0z> it's putting in the home directory in their settings
[04:37] <sTo0z> but it's not creating the directory
[04:37] <sTo0z> i;m supposed to create them all manually?
[04:37] <ogra_ibook> nope
[04:37] <sTo0z> that's the login error they get, the home dir doesnt exist and it asks if you want to use / instead, which they wouldnt have privs for obviously
[04:37] <ogra_ibook> there is something wrong i guess
[04:38] <sTo0z> which is why the thin clients arent getting in
[04:38] <ogra_ibook> yup
[04:38] <sTo0z> wierd.. this is all a fresh install :\
[04:38] <ogra_ibook> i never had such probs and havent heard something similar yet
[04:40] <sTo0z> just tried to make a directory on administrator (the account i setup during install) and he got denied.
[04:40] <ogra_ibook> is /home/$user shown in the second tab of the add-user popup win ? 
[04:40] <ogra_ibook> hmm
[04:41] <ogra_ibook> is your /home mounted read only by chance ? 
[04:42] <sTo0z> just looked, seems fine, there's write permissions on it
[04:43] <ogra_ibook> very strange
[04:43] <ogra_ibook> and the dirs you created manually have the right owners and permissions ? 
[04:44] <sTo0z> havent made any manually yet, well just did sorta
[04:44] <sTo0z> su'd in and made one, testing now
[04:45] <ogra_ibook> su'd ??
[04:45] <ogra_ibook> in an edubuntu ? 
[04:46] <sTo0z> ok had to manually create the folder and then manually change all the permissions to the new account
[04:46] <sTo0z> yah the account made during install was getting denied, so sudo su -
[04:47] <ogra_ibook> sure, the account is as powerless as any other unless you use sudo in front of your commands
[04:47] <ogra_ibook> we didnt just clone root and called it differently ;)
[04:49] <sTo0z> hehe
[04:49] <sTo0z> so yah the foldres arent getting created when new users are added
[04:49] <sTo0z> :\
[04:49] <ogra_ibook> hmm they get here ...
[04:50] <ogra_ibook> there is something weird with your setup ... how did you install ? default install, workstation or server install with setting up anything manually
[04:50] <ogra_ibook> s/anything/everything/
[04:54] <sTo0z> default
[04:54] <sTo0z> hit enter at the prompt
[04:54] <sTo0z> not server or anything
[04:54] <sTo0z> let it run, set up the IP and everything with 192.168.0.1 etc
[04:55] <ogra_ibook> hmm
[04:55] <sTo0z> so during setup
[04:55] <sTo0z> the account yuo create
[04:55] <sTo0z> should you be able to log in wih that account
[04:55] <sTo0z> and use the users and groups thing?
[04:56] <sTo0z> or do you need root and do it from the command line?
[05:01] <ogra_ibook> you do it with the admin account you created ...
[05:02] <ogra_ibook> root is disabled by default ... in the default setup the user and groups admin tool will ask you for your password before showing the window
[05:02] <sTo0z> right
[05:02] <sTo0z> it does all that
[05:02] <sTo0z> wanna hear something funny?
[05:02] <sTo0z> its working now apparently
[05:02] <sTo0z> and i didnt even change anything
[05:03] <sTo0z> just created some more accounts and now they are showing up in home directory for some reason
[05:09] <ogra_ibook> hmm
[05:14] <sTo0z> no idea :x
[05:15] <sTo0z> there's two other "better than me at linux" guys here, but they said they didnt touch anything either
[05:25] <sTo0z> well i thank you a whole bunch for your effort you put in for me ogra, it is much appreciated.. luckily this was a small test environment, hopefully the real deal goes a little smoother ;)
[05:27] <ogra_ibook> feel free to come back with more questions :)
[09:19] <solv> what sort of user/desktop administration comes with edubuntu?  Can I control menu & desktop settings for all and specific users when using ltsp?