=== carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A614F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-14-241.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont grumbles at pitti/mjg59 [12:56] on my machine, the hfs+ filesystem is autodetected and mounted. On my daughter's machine, it isn't. But I can manually mount it. Why is that, huh? [12:56] 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic vs 2.6.12-10-686 [12:57] her's a upgraded-over-time-from warty machine, mine is a virgin breezy install. [12:57] Christ knows [12:57] Almost certainly not my fault :) [12:57] mjg59: do you know the official sequence? [12:57] Nope [12:57] mjg59: true, but ENOPITTI [12:58] and you know all, so, um, .... [12:58] mjg59, should my laptop be automounting my NTFS partition? [12:58] Are you in the same groups? === ahuman01 [n=ahuman01@141.151.2.123] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] well, I'm in the same groups on both machines, and it doesn't mount for me there either [12:59] I freely admit that I did jack around a few groups on her machine at one point... that could be what I'm actually fighting [01:02] hrm.. no seb128 either [01:03] lamont, they are all on vacation [01:04] lamont: you're screwed ahahah...er... === lamont whacks zul [01:04] I suppose I could boot a livecd and see if that works... === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz_ [i=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ds [n=nds@dsl092-014-052.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Kaloz_ is now known as Kaloz [01:14] does anyone know why cups needs it's own authentication domain? === jcape [i=jcape@c-71-194-176-102.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-225-195.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] HurricaneJ: Install debfoster and do sudo debfoster. [01:47] HurricaneJ: That will ask about all installed apps and remove anything not needed anymore as well. === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maskd [n=maskd@dsl-220-253-78-251.NSW.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |sistpot| [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.162.18.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] wow...xchat-gnome is...different [02:49] oh? [02:49] xchat-gnome > * [02:49] takes a day or so to get used to, but i don't want to go back [02:50] there are two features I am missing and I think either way I would need to write my own plugin [02:50] first is a channel grep and the second is a last x lines from nick [02:52] much changed since .8? [02:52] dunno, think the last i used was .7 [02:52] i'm stuck on OS X right now [02:52] Amaranth: I get stuck there alot too [02:52] anyone around farmiliar with setting up APT repositories? [02:52] robertj: haha, not like that [02:53] what is sad is that I often end up running ubuntu in VirtualPC [02:53] robertj: Airport Extreme [02:53] oh [02:53] and the open source driver still sucks [02:53] I have to baby sit some OS X apps at work occasionally [02:53] VirtualPC aint bad if you are patient, playing minesweeper, and have a dual machine with 2 gigs of ram [02:53] haha [02:54] G4 1.42Ghz 512MB [02:54] Forget about it [02:54] painful [02:54] took me 2 days to install Windows and Office + patches === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-14-241.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] er, why would a package depend on libc6-amd64? (on i386) [02:58] I only know of alsa-driver b-ding on it? === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] ah nevermind, figured it out [03:04] Aramanth: does Ubuntu have any sort of policy on "Special" folders. I've noticed that gnome-screensaver looks in ~/Pictures by default and DCC downloads default to a Downloads folder in xchat-gnome === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] I guess if you were going to be really all "integrated" and stuff it would be nice to have a gnome-chat option "Add to Address Book" and "Show joins/parts for only users in my address book in channels with more than X people." [03:10] robertj: Yeah, let's bloat the preferences with things most people don't care about (join/part thing). ;) === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] for the most part, I care about join/parts on 10 user channels but not on 100 [03:11] but if they were in my address book I would always want to see them [03:12] but you don't need an option for that last part, it would just be a "don't show parts for strangers on channels with less than X people" [03:13] Amaranth: bah, thats not a reason not to do it. [03:14] Amaranth: thats the 'if enough people dont want it, dont to it' meme, which is nonsense. [03:14] Effects gets my vote for the preference to vote off the island ;) [03:14] Amaranth: ask instead 'how can we add this without harming new users'. [03:14] lifeless: No X users would be good. [03:15] lifeless: I can see "Show join/part messages for people in my address book." [03:15] Amaranth: I think its kinda stupid [03:15] of course you want to see those [03:15] and if you don't, too bad control freak [03:15] Amaranth: what about just a right mouse click on a channel, then click 'off' on show join/part [03:15] per channel, saved in the background, not part of massive preference chaos. [03:15] lifeless: But should it turn them all off or only unknown people? [03:16] that'd be fine too, do you still show the people known in your address book without asking? === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] Amaranth: I'm not a ui designer, but thats a good question. [03:16] what about people on ldap sources...etc [03:16] Amaranth: I'm simply saying 'not implementing because its hard is nuts' [03:16] not implementing because its a 'bad idea' is ok. [03:17] lifeless: If only 3 people want it is it worth implementing, no matter how hard it is? [03:17] I could see hiding it in gconf if one of those 3 submitted a patch. [03:17] Amaranth: if one of them does it, or is sponsoring it, and it wont harm anyone else, sure. [03:17] hiding it in gconf makes it non discoverable, which just means more education and rants. [03:19] lifeless: If it's only in gconf people who want it know where to find it and people who don't don't have clutter in the preferences dialog. [03:19] Amaranth: what are you guys talking about? [03:19] marcin: Imaginary program, imaginary feature. [03:20] Amaranth: eog? [03:20] I wish colloquy and iTunes would stop spiking to 40% CPU each [03:20] no real program imaginary features [03:20] marcin: No... [03:21] why the fsck does an irc client need 10-40% CPU constantly? [03:22] Amaranth: switch to erc ;) [03:22] marcin: I already have a buggy OS, I don't need two. [03:22] erc is irc client in emacs [03:23] I know. [03:23] emacs is the second buggy OS [03:23] Amaranth: it needs maybe 1% CPU [03:23] Amaranth: I agree that it's buggy ;) [03:24] Amaranth: but it's nice that you call emacs - OS :) [03:25] not really [03:25] the notification on message in xchat-gnome is great too, but it doesn't have an option to show you the message as well [03:25] it's a polite way of saying it's bloated [03:26] I recommend XChat Aqua [03:26] Amaranth: :) [03:26] Amaranth: night === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-99-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === g14 [n=SEJeff@12-203-76-59.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi is using Xchat... but also likes chatzilla === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] Amaranth: what are you smoking ? gconf is -not- a place that people -know to look- to find features. [03:42] Amaranth: if gconf was so useful, no program would need preference dialogs at all. [03:43] gconf is just scaffolding [03:43] it is rarely the answer to anything usability or user interface design related [03:44] lifeless: gconf is ok for "I want this feature, and somewhere there may be one other person who does too" type stuff [03:44] gconf is like windows' ini file apis or registry... it provides a nice way for a program to save settings without having to reinvent the wheel [03:44] robertj: no, gconf is where (almost) *all* gnome configuration information is stored [03:45] jdub: I meant as a primary method for setting and unsetting options [03:45] robertj: it's not that, either === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] jdub: fine, gconf-editor is a suitable interface for setting some very eccentric settings intended exclusively for a small number of highly-technical individuals? [03:47] robertj: I disagree [03:47] like windows' registry editor, it is not meant to be a primary method for users to change configuration options... the tool is only there to provide A way to do so... for power users and system administrators [03:48] robertj: gconf-editor is a debugging tool for when preference setting mechanisms go wrong, it should never be the 'way' to enable or disable something. [03:49] Iifeless: some features are so unusual that either they don't go in or they are exposed exclusively through gconf because implementation time for a better gui exceeds the utility of actually putting them in [03:50] not to mention that user time is a resource that gets consumed looking through options [03:51] aye.... but that should only be for the most esoteric and technical options [03:51] psusi: which is what I just said no? [03:51] yes... I'm agreeing... [03:52] but really there are alot of features noone needs that we want to still provide access to because it doesn't really hurt anyone to expose them through the editor [03:52] "and that's about all I got to say about that" [03:54] is there anyone else I could have a talk with about gnome-volume-manager and pmount besides pitti? I've not seen him around lately [03:54] psusi: he's having a break - will be back soon enough [03:55] ahh... when will that be, and I guess that means the answer to my first question is no? ;) [03:55] oh hey jdub [03:55] psusi: not sure; you can always ask your question though === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:57] well... I'm trying to modify the hal information so that g-v-m and pmount will auto mount a read/write udf formatted cdrw in read/write mode via the packet writing interface... I have managed to get that to happen, only it doesn't show up on the desktop [03:57] it does get auto mounted correctly in /media though, and I can access it from the command line [03:57] so why would it not show up on the desktop? [03:57] the desktop only shows things that are user mountable [03:58] assuming you have show_volumes [03:59] it is user mountable... I modified the hal policy rules to change the block.device from /dev/hda to /dev/pktcdvd/pktcdvd0 so when I insert the disk, it does get auto mounted correctly... just doesn't show up [03:59] psusi: does it have the .created_by_pmount file? [03:59] in /media/cdrecorder? [04:00] yeah [04:00] when I umount it, yes [04:02] the really strange thing is... if I mount it by hand read only, it shows up [04:04] mount it read/write via the packet writing device, and it doesn't show up [04:05] Launchpad going down in 15 mins for the regular updates, which will put the wikis into read only mode. Downtime estimated at 40 mins. [04:05] where's the code that notices stuff in /media and shows it on the desktop? It looks like it doesn't like devices that aren't in /dev ( and not a subdir of it ) === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] weird... moved /dev/pktcdvd/pktcdvd0 to /dev and now when I mount it, it shows up on the desktop... but under the name "cdrecorder" instead of the volume label of LinuxUDF... and the icon does not go away when I umount it [04:12] mount it again with /dev/hda insteaed of /dev/pktcdvd0 and LinuxUDF shows up on the desktop... so there's two icons for the same thing... only with different labels === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] hey jeff [04:16] Zooool. [04:16] I'm playing with my new openwrtized linksys. [04:16] there is only zul [04:16] Fitting Ubuntu on this is going to be a bitch. [04:17] jbailey: good luck with the kernel [04:17] tseng: Yeah. =( [04:17] tseng: Although ISTR someone was reverse engineering the wireless broadcom driver. [04:17] So perhaps it will actually be possible soon. [04:18] jbailey: netboot, netboot ;) [04:18] tseng, Get with the times. There is only xul :) [04:19] totally acceptable configuration for a firewall! ;-) [04:19] jdub: That's actually half the reason I wanted the openwrt. My old gnet was interfering with netbooting my ltsp box. =) [04:19] That and I want pure IPv6 on my local lan, but hey... =) [04:20] And I thought I had a lot of machines on my lan [04:21] How likely would vSecurity have of making it into universe (possibly main) for dapper? [04:23] SEJeff: Things can still make it into universe no problem for another couple of weeks [04:24] SEJeff: It needs that first, then a main inclusion report done. [04:24] jbailey, Would it be possible to make it into main though? Theoraticlly? [04:24] This is from ubuntu-hardened project [04:24] SEJeff: Sure, no reason why note. Things can be promoted to main even after version freeze. === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] jbailey, Excellent [04:25] I *really* want Ubuntu to have something like vSecurity and thats why I've been helping trulux test vSecurity [04:25] I don't know anything about it. [04:26] jbailey, Do you want a quick rundown of what it can do? [04:26] SEJeff: I think I'm a bit sleepy right now. I might ask you tomorrow though. =) [04:27] jbailey: Please do. It's quite impressive once you see it work and nothing breaks [04:27] jbailey: I've been trying to break it the past few days without much luck [04:27] Nothing breaks is always good advertising. =) === psusi would like to get his initramfs scripts added to the dmraid package and have it moved to main in time for dapper so it can support hardware fakeraid out of the box [04:28] I tried looking the other day to see if there was someway of setting capabilities from the filesystem rather than just using SUID/SGID, but it looks like it's still not possible. [04:28] jbailey, vsecurity includes cap_over [04:28] psusi: Why is main important for that? [04:28] A way to add something like NET_RAW to /bin/ping [04:28] That way, you can remove suid root from ping and it still runs perfectly [04:28] jbailey, isn't there a wrapper program like sudo that you can use? [04:28] SEJeff: Ah nice. Does that just use extended attributes in ext3? [04:29] jbailey, well, main AND added to a seed like ubuntu-base... right now it's just in universe [04:29] jbailey, Extended attributes won't support that [04:29] psusi: I can do it with a wrapper, but why? CAP_NET_RAW for /bin/ping is an excellent example. [04:29] http://www.randombit.net/projects/cap_over/ This is the code it uses [04:29] There's no real reason why you need a wrapper program that's SUID just to drop privs for ping. It would be a bit excessive. [04:30] true [04:30] we work with the developer of cap_over [04:30] And the trusted path execution code written by IBM also works flawlessly [04:30] That would out of the box kill thinks like the lapper worm [04:30] Ah, I hadn't seen cap_over before. [04:30] jbailey, untill it is in ubuntu-base or otherwise installed by default, hardware fakeraid won't be supported out of the box [04:31] and I'll have to debootstrap my system from a livecd again ;) [04:31] Is that just using the same mechanisms that selinux uses? I remember they integrated a bunch of them. [04:31] jbailey: Yes, lsm [04:31] vsecurity uses lsm extensively [04:31] Cool. Looks like something to add to my reading list. [04:31] ooh yummy nautilus patch for D&D on the places bar [04:31] there will be a new release out soon and trulux has been going crazy lately on polishing it up / fixing some things === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-172-0.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@72.24.208.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] does adam conrad hang out in here? [04:42] i'd need an irc nick ;) [04:42] sounds familiar... [04:43] Amaranth, you're Adam Conrad? [04:43] no [04:43] <--Travis Watkins [04:43] ohh... I don't know his nick.. that's why I'm asking ;) [04:44] psusi: infinity === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h228n4c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] *facepalm* [04:45] i think he is on vacation as well [04:45] or asleep [04:45] SEJeff: My only problem with these policy files is that it means that the metadata is separate from the file. So I can't tar it up and untar it elsewhere and have it Just Work. [04:45] doh... that would explain why he hasn't responded to my dmraid bug [04:45] SEJeff: Or mv the file or whatnot. Do you know if someone is addressing that at all? [04:46] does tar understand extended attributes? [04:46] Yes. [04:46] cool [04:47] It can tar them up using the posix interfaces. [04:47] jbailey, I thought gnu tar didn't do extended attributes and that is what star was written for === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] jbailey, Think about how much of a PITA having to look at every file for attributes is [04:48] perhaps they merged? [04:48] vs using grep -r though /etc/cap.d/ or something like that [04:48] not sure [04:48] SEJeff: Right, but star doesn't do anything that tar doesn't do anymore. [04:49] SEJeff: tar was inactive for a long time. It's now actively maintained. [04:49] jbailey, News to me [04:49] Very good to hear. I learn something new every day [04:49] I like tar's new incremental backup feature with a snapshot file... you can build tiered dumps with that [04:50] SEJeff: I'm theoretically one of gnutar's co maintainers. =) [04:50] so you can do things like a full backup only once a month, then do smaller weekly backups, and even smaller daily backups... but to restore you only need to untar 3 files... the last monthly, the last weekly, the last daily... not every single daily since the last full backup [04:51] Good to know [04:51] and it supposedly notices things like deleted files in newer backups and won't restore them from older backups [04:55] right night.. [04:55] night [04:55] It's that time for me also. Another day converting hp-ux servers --> linux servers woohoo === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] SEJeff: a righteous mission [04:57] SEJeff: On ia64 or hppa? =) [04:57] howdy jeff. [04:57] and jeff. [04:57] whiprush: =) [04:57] name stealing bastardos! [04:57] jeff is a good name [04:57] jbailey: troll [04:57] I hear that people named jeff are born brilliant [04:58] It's just what I hear [04:58] zul: For which comment? =) [04:58] either or [04:58] jbailey, PA-Risc, hppa stuff [04:58] Night guys [04:58] 3/exit [04:58] g'n SEJeff, Chuck. [04:59] jdub: I got a cool email from someone that's totally jdub-esque. The process is still in its early inception, but I just have to send it to you because it rocks. [05:00] whiprush: none of what you said follows, but it sounds cool anyway... ;) [05:01] jeff.waugh@ubuntu.com? (sorry, I am away from my normal machine) [05:01] yeah [05:02] you've got mail! [05:03] yay mail === jdub is mucking with his mailserver atm too ;) [05:05] jdub: Somehow I kind of feel that we should let you guys know some LoCo team stuff like that and get an "attaboy". Otherwise we end up just going to bars and drinking instead of doing real advocacy work. :) [05:05] haha [05:06] haven't got it yet [05:06] turning off sender address verification has resulted in 400 mails in the last 10 minutes === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] rofl [05:06] So a few months back newforge ran this story about a jesuit school in detroit running ubuntu and ltsp. [05:07] The mail I sent you is from a dude that works for Ford and wants to form a non-profit building ubuntu computers for disadvantaged youths and stuff. [05:07] awesome [05:08] apparently he's meeting with the COO of Ford and working on getting sponsorship. [05:08] so he goes onto the ubuntu wiki, and finds us local people. [05:09] jdub: So this ties into "Getting jdub to come to the midwest US." plan ... [05:09] so we're gonna help the guy out, etc. etc. === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-99-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] whiprush: did you see the latest poll? [05:11] do any of you guys have a microsoft optical intellimouse? I can't believe I've only seen one other person besides me complain that xorg 7 has reassigned buttons 6 and 7 to 8 and 9 ( wtf? it's only a 7 button mouse! ) so back and forward don't work in firefox anymore [05:11] no, I've been tied up in family business until today. [05:11] need to catch up on fridge businesss. [05:12] isn't Ford broke right now? ;) [05:12] no, that's GM. [05:12] well, they're not as broke as GM anyway. :) [05:12] hehe [05:12] jdub: ugh, north america isn't doing so hot in that poll. [05:13] whiprush: given that you've already had a go... ;-) [05:13] whiprush: mind you, look at my page on the wiki [05:13] heh [05:13] yeah, but you end up at the summit and 2 linuxworlds /anyway/ ... [05:14] so maybe we can sneak in. :) [05:17] jdub: Had you come to detroit, no one would have stolen your laptops. They would have just taken your wallet. :p [05:18] haha === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] whiprush: you should definitely look into the freegeek project in portland (and new ones that have popped up elsewhere in the USA) [05:18] whiprush: they're *extremely* well organised [05:19] whiprush: sounds like a natural fit for this idea in some ways [05:19] (just reading the email now) [05:19] ah, mako was into that wasn't he? [05:19] I recall the idea [05:20] don't think so [05:20] freegeek is a co-op refurbishing group [05:20] I will look into that [05:22] I'll send them a mail. At the least they probably know best-practices or something, which we know 0 about. [05:24] anyone here read "Understanding the Linux kernel" published by Oreilly? picked it up the other day and it seems nice === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-225-195.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] psusi: it's decent for writing drivers [05:25] psusi: not really all that useful for core stuff. robert love's book is much more thorough (well, the old edition; haven't read hte new one) [05:26] hrm... what's the title? [05:26] rml's book is funny to boot. :) [05:26] this book seems to talk about the whole thing rather than just how to write drivers to me === psusi wishes his local bookstore had half as many books on the linux kernel as he has on his desk about NT's kernel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] whiprush, jdub: i've spent some time at freegeek.. i know a few of the people there [05:34] mako: do they have chapters outside of portland? [05:35] I'm kind of in that situation, but it's probably best if I mail you about it when I get better details. [05:36] whiprush: yes [05:36] whiprush: one in PA and one in WI IIRC [05:37] mako: cool and the gang. Someone locally wants to do ubuntu prebuilds. I'll mail you when I get more info. [05:37] whiprush: please do, that sounds great [05:37] mako: I'll send you the note the guy mailed me now. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] whiprush: i visited there when i was in portland - it's really amazingly good. best model to use for something like this. [05:48] this sounds excellent. [05:51] whiprush: (to the point where, with funding, it would be worth going there or shipping out a couple of the principals as a learning expedition) [05:52] jdub: much to early to be thinking that. But yeah, long term that would be great. === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@24-52-41-197.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] hi everybody [05:57] im here because i dfound a very blatant bug in dapper [05:58] the option to make your mouse left handed - the checkbox will fill in properly and the icon will change and indicate that the buttons have been properly swapped, but it doesnt actually change the button assignments [06:00] elmo, Znarl: ping [06:02] shadeofgrey, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com [06:09] wow, people actually use left-handed mice? [06:09] dunno, my brother is left-handed and doesn't [06:10] i'm left-handed and i don't [06:12] what do i assign as the "component" for the above bug? === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nofear [n=ss@dpc6746223205.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:20] hey gotta stupid question.. === chris38-home [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-26-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-55.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey_ki [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] I am on a satilite connection and i got a idiot for a brother who downloads alot.. and I want to set up a box using ubuntu to shair internet connections but I want to cap downloads to a certain speed. [06:21] is that Possible to do in ubuntu? === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nofear [n=ss@dpc6746223205.direcpc.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:23] yeah, i think iptables can do that [06:23] it can do everything else :P === shadeofgrey [n=shadeofg@24-52-41-197.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] would oneof you kind people care to take a minute and file a bug report on my behalf if im very specific about the symtops/problems etc.? the interface online for filing bugs is very complicated and i dont know the answers to most of the fill in the blank spaces [06:32] what prevents you from filing it? [06:34] a lot of fill in the blanks that i dont know the answer to like components and such [06:34] its not a bug with a specific program. its a big problem with the mouse applet under system --> preferences [06:35] just fill in as much as you can [06:35] well [06:36] thats proving to be a problem as well... because i cant make the buttons on my mouse left handed I cant even navigate the form well. im very physically handicapped [06:36] i tried using the tabb key on my keyboard but the experimental version of firefox on dapper races through them when u use keyboard to skip forward and back in forms [06:36] so is the Mouse preference dialog itself limiting you? If so, in what way? [06:37] the mouse pref3erence dialog is accepting the checkbox "make left handed mouse" which is immediately supposed to swap the buttons - but when you click okay and the applet closes the changes are never applied [06:38] are you running current Dapper? I had that problem as well up until last week. [06:38] im using flight 2 [06:38] thats the newest is it not? [06:38] it's the latest snapshot, but your issue has been resolved in current Dapper [06:38] should i be downloading the latest nightly? [06:39] shadeofgrey: those are CD releases - latest dapper is always in the archive [06:39] you just need to update and dist-upgrade [06:39] okay.. lemme boot into dapper and ill try [06:40] brb 5 mins [06:40] either via Applications> Accessories> Terminal, or System> Administration> Synaptic Manager (choose Smart Upgrade) === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] slomo_: ping [08:02] slomo_: n/m === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz_ [i=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz_ is now known as Kaloz === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusakat [i=proxy@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@203-206-99-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] elmo: Please sync gpdf, libcurses-perl, libevocosm, libfwbuilder, libgnome2-wnck-perl, libpanelappletmm2.6, and nufw from Debian Sid, ok to override Ubuntu changes. 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I am on the wrong channel *AGAIN*. Sorry. 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[04:07] zwnj: you want apt to cache packages [04:07] Treenaks: yes, but not package files [04:07] Robot101: those too [04:07] Robot101: the caches should at LEAST do an If-Modified-Since: / ETag match on the originating server [04:07] no, you really do want the proxy to talk to the server and find what the latest file is [04:08] doing a HEAD with no-proxy is fine [04:08] er, no-cache [04:08] Robot101: yes [04:08] gosh, are there any work around to fix locales problem? I want to fix the locales now so I can go on with other testing, ( I recieve err perl: warning: Setting locale failed. [04:08] perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: [04:08] LANGUAGE = "C", [04:08] LC_ALL = (unset), [04:08] LANG = "C.UTF-8" [04:08] ) [04:12] zwnj, Robot101: have you tried runing with "apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=true" ? === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] mvo: that's not default?! [04:13] mvo: no, i didn't know about this option at all! === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.10.73.169.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] btw, i should try it later, when some Release files get update === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Treenaks: no, default is sending a I-M-S [04:15] mvo: sounds reasonable.. so the proxy/cache is broken then? [04:16] mvo: or the remote server [04:16] Treenaks: I don't know about cache used, if zwnj send me the output of "apt-get update -o Debug::Acquire::http=true 2> debug.log" I can have a closer look [04:17] it seems that quite a few cache are problematic :/ [04:17] mvo: sure, but it works fine now [04:17] zwnj: with No-Cache=true? [04:18] mvo: i did wget --no-cache for all Release files with a bash script, so there's no problem now [04:19] mvo: but before that, i had Release file for about two weeks ago [04:19] zwnj: what proxy/cache do you use? [04:19] or your provider? [04:19] mvo: we have a global web cache in university [04:20] we had the same problem with yup last year, and svidal patched yum to solve this [04:20] ^yup^yum [04:21] zwnj: I would be interessted if the No-Cache=true switch helps. you can just make it default then. I still would be interessted in looking at the ouput of Debug::Acquire::http=true when you have the problem the next time [04:22] mvo: sure, thanks btw [04:22] cheers === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-225-195.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:22] mvo: but how i can set it as default just for Release/Release.gpg files? [04:23] *ick* right. that's a problem :/ === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-240-232.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-55.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h228n4c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] hellow! [04:44] ho [04:44] i seem to have a problem on a few servers running dapper [04:44] with locales_2.3.7-2_all.deb [04:44] that's being silly ;) [04:44] verwilst: don't run your servers on dapper, you utter crack fiend [04:44] verwilst: and, /topic [04:44] hey Pygi [04:44] I suggest you head over to #ubuntu-server [04:44] hello sivang === r0bby2 [n=wakawaka@pool-70-107-169-71.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] what's up? how holidays passed? :) [04:45] oh [04:45] :d [04:45] verwilst: you need to touch a dir, and they will set up cleanly. It's all due to locales transitiont as noted in Martin Pitt's email [04:45] aah yes, Martin Pitt's email, how could i forget.. :d [04:46]