[12:07] file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html < ugh, yellow is back [12:09] <\sh> hmm..new upstream... [12:15] I may as well jog to Mexico while k3d compiles [12:17] <\sh> grmpf [12:17] <\sh> kforth new upstream, doesn't like the libreadline5 [12:19] punch it! ;) [12:19] <\sh> well...new upstream likes gcc4 but doesn't like libreadline5 I'm fcked [12:20] <\sh> old 1.2.6 doesn't like gcc4 at all :) [12:20] hi \sh [12:20] <\sh> moins whiprush [12:20] thanks for the gajim upload! :) [12:23] <\sh> whiprush: my pleasure :) it was christmas time :) [12:23] rsynch through ssh doesn't keep owners and perms :( [12:23] well owners I mean :( [12:23] <\sh> raphink: what about -p ? [12:24] <\sh> raphink: -p preserve permissions [12:24] doesnt' work [12:24] <\sh> and -o (only root) [12:24] nor -o [12:24] for owners ;) [12:24] it works great in local [12:24] but not through ssh [12:24] <\sh> raphink: well... [12:24] :( [12:24] yes [12:25] actually it's -o I'd need [12:25] since it's the owners that are not kept [12:25] <\sh> raphink: tar -cv | ssh [12:25] hmm [12:25] <\sh> raphink: tar -cpv | ssh [12:25] even as root, -o doesnt preserve the owners through ssh [12:25] http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2005-August/013203.html [12:26] everything is written with the current user as the owner [12:26] I wrote my whole tool with rsync and ssh [12:26] so I'm not to use tar instead ;) [12:26] too late ;) === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] hmm [12:27] the pb is that I didn't want to use root on the remote side [12:27] because that would imply using a RSA key to connect from root@1 to root@2 without a passwd [12:27] which doesn't seem very secure [12:28] but I guess this will still be the best thing to do [12:28] it seems === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] hehe [12:38] :) [12:38] thanks crimsun [12:38] :) [12:38] that was the way to go :) [12:38] cool [12:38] raphink: I'm not quite sure, what you want to do... but you can't change file ownerships as non-root [12:39] raphink, try cpio, something like cpio -o -v --format=newc | ssh root@host "cpio -i --format=newc" thats what I always use [12:39] that's not what I want to do sistpoty [12:39] I'll try that later on [12:39] so far I've got a system that works great [12:39] spent 2 days making it [12:39] so I'm pretty happy :) [12:39] 2 scripts on the server side, called by 1 script on the client side [12:40] ssh/rsa and nfs as ro to browse the archives [12:40] :) [12:40] works like a charm :) [12:40] and its fast [12:40] maybe just a bit complicate [12:40] hehe ;) [12:43] hey not bad, only an hour and a half to build k3d on amd64 [12:43] :) [12:44] crimsun: I claim xtalk. Mine! === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-14-241.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] StevenK: I uploaded that a while ago === StevenK glares at crimsun. [12:45] you can have the remaining merges, though :) [12:46] <\sh> good night folks :) [12:46] <\sh> have fun with the rest of the merges :) [12:46] 'night \sh [12:47] gn8 \sh [12:51] can s.o. with non-i386 help me with mythtv? [12:51] I have an amd64 pbuilder, but that's the extent of it. What do you need? [12:52] crimsun: it horribly fails on everything but i386, and I guess it might be fixed if the configure was called w.o. i386-specific options [12:53] ok, tell me where to start [12:53] crimsun: mom [12:53] k [12:53] crimsun: I'm just checking if the sourcepackage hit the archives yet [12:54] crimsun: grab 0.18.1-5ubuntu1 from mythtv [12:54] crimsun: and then look at debian/rules, where configure is called [12:54] crimsun: hopefully taking out the line "--cpu=i486 --tune=pentium4 --enable-mmx " will do the trick [12:55] (otherwise it will ftbfs very soon, at least according to the build-logs) [12:55] oh mythtv -5 has _SO_ many problem [12:55] s [12:55] hi slomo [12:55] hi sistpoty :) [12:55] you have a ghc6 bugreport by lamont himself ;) [12:56] slomo: I have? where? [12:56] many lines above... sorry, i'm a bit drunken currently ;) it is uninstallable currently he said [12:57] d'oh [12:57] un-uninstallable [12:57] Oh, blah. instanbul has different tarballs between Debian and Ubuntu. [12:58] slomo: what's worse is that it ftbfs currently due to a makefile-problem (make will just sit and run forever) :( [12:58] sistpoty: for mythtv i'm doing that bugreport tomorrow... it was filed by a friend of mine :) i have to meet my expectations ;) [12:58] hmm... another ftbfs because of new make= [12:58] ? [12:59] slomo: actually I just wanted to do the stdc++-allocator change... but I'm more than happy if you can take this from me ;) [12:59] slomo: maybe... but I haven't investigated it any further yet [12:59] i take mythtv happily... i don't know _what_ i take there but i will solve it.. :P [12:59] hehe :) [01:00] and if it's another failure like the mono one where the buildds are to blame ;) [01:02] pfiew [01:02] got it :) [01:02] ok... so i take mythtv and you take ghc6 :P if you solve it faster than me you owe me a beer, otherwise the other way around ;) [01:02] does anyone know when colony 3 is [01:02] or whatever the hell they are called now [01:02] flight [01:02] flight 3 is 2 weeks in the future afaik [01:02] slomo: ok, deal ;) [01:03] that sucks [01:03] because flight 2 is useless on my laptop [01:03] haha [01:03] dito :) [01:03] ppc that is [01:04] sistpoty: i think we have to meet then soon :P the mono ftbfs is definitely harder :) [01:04] hehe === Kaloz_ [i=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] hmm... what's with our "uncommon" programming languages team? :) let's get this ready for dapper :) [01:09] slomo: i want to get fpc back into dapper... I already had a brief chat w. infinity about it :)= [01:10] fpc? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:10] free pascal compiler [01:10] my major goal is sml and nemerle :) they're _THE_ languages :) [01:10] hmmmm [01:11] someone talked to me about it... [01:11] I happened to find the project lazarus... looks very promising [01:11] what's broken there? === slomo can write pascal... at least a bit ;) [01:11] with lazarus or with fpc? [01:11] both [01:12] fpc simply needs bootstrapping... but this should be going smoothly: take debian package and bootstrap w. it [01:12] lazarus is not yet packaged :) [01:12] slomo: http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Screenshots&file=index [01:12] hmm. [01:12] lazarus is cool... only because of the name :) [01:13] we have gpc, but fp-compiler would be nice. [01:13] crimsun: aaah... i have a mythtv bugreport for you ;P [01:13] slomo: you mean sistpoty ;) [01:13] crimsun: we soon will have fpc back ;) [01:13] sistpoty: oh? rock! [01:14] crimsun: yes... infinity promised to help... after christmas :) [01:15] crimsun: no :P you're the mythtv guy ;) get 6175 :P i don't like to touch it because it's mdz' package [01:15] slomo: I still didn't find any complaints for ghc6 in the logs... [01:15] siretart: *sigh* i'll search for it :) [01:15] thx slomo [01:16] slomo: yep, I'm test-building on amd64 atm [01:16] so far so good... [01:16] sistpoty: Dez 28 16:56:19 dear motus, ghc6 fails to uninstall properly. fix that pls. [01:17] crimsun: np :) you should definitely join the motumedia forces ;) [01:17] slomo: thx [01:18] np :) [01:22] it's actually not mdz's anymore according to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/163269 [01:22] though we should definitely coordinate w/ whatever those guys are doing in svn === jcape [i=jcape@c-71-194-176-102.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] crimsun: i guess they're as insane as the mplayer and xine guys ;) as the dvd jon is :P === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] sigh, silly coffee shop wifi ;) [01:28] *shrug* :) [01:28] sistpoty: mythtv builds successfully on amd64 with that line removed from configure [01:28] I'd say that's a good start === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] uhh [01:28] crimsun: thx [01:29] slomo: do you want to take mythtv or should I do an upload with that fix? === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-225-195.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] and it builds on ppc with that line removed btw ;) [01:29] take it if you want... we're a team :P [01:30] slomo: k... then I'll fix the FTBFS and you'll go for your bugs ;) [01:30] slomo: or do you want to do with that in one upload? [01:31] no, just take it :) i have xine-lib and a bunch of other problems right now [01:31] ok === TMM2 [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu === maskd [n=maskd@dsl-220-253-78-251.NSW.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] gn8 [01:57] night slomo [01:58] gn8 slomo [01:59] 'night slomo === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] hi ogra_ibook [02:05] :) [02:05] hi [02:05] how are you? [02:09] fine ... busy playing with powerpc netbooting === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] :) [02:09] hi zakame [02:10] hi raphink :) [02:10] ogra_ibook: do you have some time to give me your opinion on a backup tool I just hacked? [02:10] or zakame maybe :) [02:11] what backup tool? Just got up this morning ;) [02:11] hehe [02:11] http://raphink.free.fr/debs/backup_0.1.tar.gz [02:11] it's all fresh [02:11] ;) [02:13] w00t [02:13] waah lighttpd got packaged now in debian [02:14] :) [02:15] did you have a look the script zakame ? [02:16] not yet [02:16] oki [02:16] :) [02:16] lemme check [02:16] :) === raphink spent two days hacking and studying to get to write this script [02:17] not sure it was worth it the 2 days, but i'm pretty happy with the result :) === seth_k|lappy has spent the last two days redesigning his company's website [02:17] and same for me, not sure if it was worth 2 days, but happy ;) [02:19] hehe [02:19] :) [02:19] happy hackers :) === zakame spent the last 2 days making sure the sync merges are really just syncs [02:19] zakame: do you also think that was not worth 2 days but you're happy? [02:20] raphink: I'm always happy :) [02:20] :) [02:20] hehe [02:20] did you see narnia already zakame ? [02:20] not yet, it hasn't reached the local cinema, though I think it's already up in Manila [02:21] ok [02:21] :) [02:21] I was afraid to be deceived [02:21] w00t cool backup script [02:21] and i'm far from being any near to deceived [02:21] zakame: :) [02:22] do you think it's cool enough to be released ? [02:22] ;) [02:27] let me test it on the parish net, then we'll see ;) [02:29] sure :) [02:29] it's a bit hard to set up properly I reckon [02:29] you have to set up NFS, RSA keys, crontab manually [02:29] and you need a separate backup partition on the server [02:29] if I find time for that and find it useful, I might work on automatizing these parts a bit [02:30] or at least documenting them better [02:30] at least the backup scripts work and are fast [02:30] oooh [02:30] what? [02:30] I'll keep those in mind (and in log ;) [02:31] ok [02:31] I was thinking about writing an article on the wiki [02:31] about that [02:31] providing the scripts and explaining how to set a nice backup server on a network with them [02:31] won't do that tonight though, cause it's 2:30 AM [02:31] ;) [02:32] whoa === TMM2 is now known as TMM [02:33] zakame: what? [02:34] raphink: early morning on your end ;) [02:34] yes indeed === |sistpot| [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.162.18.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] wb sistpoty [02:41] re zakame [02:42] hi sistpoty [02:42] hi raphink [02:52] w00t! only 7 pkg unassigned for merge! tho 223 are now assigned :) [02:53] hm the links to ongoing-merge are also 404s now === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-14-241.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] except for linux-kernel-di it seems [02:55] zakame: if mom couldn't find a common base-version, you get 404's (you can see it in the log file) [02:55] good night [02:55] good night rajasun [02:55] er raphink [02:55] zakame: and then there still may be some false positives, though I tried to clean up the list, thx to \sh [02:55] hehe [02:55] sistpoty: ah [02:55] <>< :) [02:55] gn8 raphink [02:56] raphink: amen :) [02:56] :) [02:58] gtg too, I'll take wxglade with me ;) [02:58] have fun w. it ;) [02:58] hoohoo :D [02:59] crimsun: no need to merge nss-msdn and liferea... they're on top of my todo list :) [02:59] slomo: d'oh, I uploaded liferea a few minutes ago [03:00] ok, np then :) === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] slomo: and nss-msdn I marked as a sync [03:00] -mdns [03:00] yes, it is a sync ;) [03:01] *shrug* nevermind :) [03:02] gna... mythtv, upload #3 due to copy/paste error from me... I'm no hero today :( === jamessan [n=jamessan@debian/developer/jamessan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] hey don't feel bad, it took me 6 tries with vlc for Breezy [03:02] Amaranth: ill hold the punching bag [03:02] crimsun: few... then I'll have 3 more to go ;) [03:03] ;) [03:03] so how do you get locales installed on clean flight2 again? [03:04] StevenK: still there? iterm (0.5-5ubuntu1, from your debdiff) FTBFS :/ === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jm__@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] StevenK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6292 [03:05] crimsun: you should've use to experimental version from liferea... much less to change ;) [03:05] hmm... bbl [03:06] slomo_: I did [03:06] StevenK: looks like two lines should be commented out instead of only one [03:09] tseng: ? === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] sistpoty: However, i386, amd64, hppa, powerpc and sparc all built. Only ia64 failed. [03:13] StevenK: is it uploaded already? [03:14] iterm 0.5-5ubuntu1 was uploaded a while ago. [03:14] StevenK: ah, k... then I don't need to look on this ;) [03:15] StevenK: but still it's strange that it now ftbfs (on my i386 pbuilder) [03:15] StevenK: maybe this is some new feature of make :) [03:15] sistpoty: It could be the new make. Lemee try to build -5ubuntu1 and -5ubuntu2 === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] iTerm? [03:17] Internationalized terminal [03:17] From the Japanese alternate free software dimension. [03:20] sistpoty: Reproducible. [03:20] is bind9 on the breezy install CD? [03:20] apt tells me it cannot find it [03:20] StevenK: ah, k [03:21] chillywilly: on the server cd? [03:22] sistpoty: I've just made a quick patch to debian/rules. I'll see if it builds first. [03:22] StevenK: ok [03:22] Amaranth: the install CD [03:22] chillywilly: afaik it's only on the server install cd [03:23] oh? [03:23] didn't know there was a difference [03:23] what does it actually do when you choose server then? [03:23] just install hte base and install the rest from the net? [03:23] the* [03:23] doesn't install it at all? [03:23] installs the least amount of software possible [03:24] so it's just not there [03:24] great... [03:24] :) [03:24] the server cd does too, but it also includes stuff on the cd for servers [03:24] Amaranth: that guy in #g-h is driving me nuts [03:24] don't have a server CD though :( [03:24] breezy had server cds? [03:24] or is this "new" [03:25] not really new [03:25] new as in breezy was the first release to have them [03:25] for reference, installing a language pack fixes locales [03:25] on a new flight 2 install [03:25] + dist-upgrade [03:27] sistpoty: Okay, that corrects the FTBFS. Would you like a debdiff between -5ubuntu1 and -5ubuntu2? [03:27] or maybe it doesnt.. [03:27] StevenK: would be nice [03:27] StevenK: then you'll get the credits ;) === g14 [n=SEJeff@12-203-76-59.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] sistpoty: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/iterm_0.5-5ubuntu2.debdiff [03:29] StevenK: thx [03:31] StevenK: uploaded [03:31] sistpoty: Thanks. [03:31] np === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is off to bed now [03:36] gn8 everybody === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sockpuppe1 [n=albanian@ool-44c67809.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sockpuppe1 [n=albanian@ool-44c67809.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@72.24.208.166] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] where are the server CDs? [05:02] nevermind, found 'em [05:03] are these available via ship-it? 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[06:44] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-December/000047.html [06:51] http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/breezy/ [06:51] there too :) === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] moins ogra [08:08] d'oh === Kaloz_ [i=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D862.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:43] wb ogra_ === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:03] hi womble :) [09:04] Hi zakame [09:04] siretart: ping === luk [n=luk@239.8-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] have the following pkgs been requested for sync already?: module-assisstant, xfce4-fsguard-plugin, albatross, kvdr, lablgl, libapache-mod-musicindex, octave2.1, orbit2cpp, pngwriter, positron? === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:30] zakame: octave2.1 probably haven't been yet [09:31] zakame: if you can review and ask the sync, I'll appreciate it [09:32] minghua: just did, 'tis a sync alright, I was asking earlier if anyone else made sync requests already, I don't want to annoy elmo when he comes back ;) [09:33] elmo should have a web inteface for his IRC away log :-P [09:33] zakame: thanks! [09:34] no prob :) [09:34] womble, is it a REVU thing ? === poningru [n=poningru@pool-68-238-168-207.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] bbl, have a nice day all :) [09:37] *pokes* [09:37] anyone around? [09:37] ? [09:37] oops, sorry :) [09:38] wondering why this cdbs package isnt building [09:38] well [09:38] not configuring [09:40] morning al === Kaloz [i=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:44] sivang - any idea why this package is being a b**tch ? [09:44] it's using cdbs - but doesnt use ./configure === markuman [n=markuman@p50927386.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@d80-170-41-245.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] Mez: which package is that? [10:00] Simias :D [10:00] I've left cdbs behind [10:00] back to good old dh :D === fredix [n=fredix@d213-103-102-86.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] that's will alwasy work :) [10:00] cdbs is evil === wjb [n=Warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] Mez: Yes [10:07] womble: sup - I can probably help [10:07] Mez: RCS for the revu code [10:08] Does it exist? [10:08] erm - not publically accessible [10:08] I want to see if it's doable to deploy for debian-mentors === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-48-160.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] Any chance of getting at it, or do I just sit down and reimplement it? [10:19] womble: pong [10:20] Hey siretart, check scrollback between Mez and I [10:20] Just wondering if I can get access to the REVU source code to setup a similar service for debian-mentors [10:21] womble: sure, the svn should be ro for the public [10:21] womble: you mean the old revu1 codebase, no? [10:22] siretart: Not sure what the difference between the two is. At the moment, the features in the currently deployed revu are quite handy enough === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:23] womble: well, the latter is a not yet functional reimplementation of the first, since the first is rather a proof of concept and to investigate our workflow in real life. I didn't imagine that team that it will become that useful [10:24] the url for checkout is this http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu1 [10:24] but there seems to be some permissions foo on the server, I'm investigating it [10:25] siretart: Yeah, I'm getting PROPFIND errors [10:25] womble: pardon, my bad, this url should work for you: http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu [10:26] And lo! there was a checkout [10:26] Thanks [10:26] I'm rather using svn+ssh:// on that machine, so I didn't check svn checkout some time ago [10:26] womble: you will definitly need help to set it up, because the documentation is not existant. feel free to ask me [10:27] womble: I'm happy to help you to setup it [10:27] What's the rewrite involving at this stage? (I'll definitely ask for help in setup shortly) [10:27] I dunno about non-existent documentation; that README file is a lot longer than several I've seen [10:28] pretty much everything. try to compare with this: http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/ [10:28] Another happy trac user. I'm hearing lots of good things about it. [10:28] womble: ;) - yeah, there is some. but for a project at this size, I'd expect some more, espc. how to use it [10:29] yeah, trac is awesome. I tried it and was astonished how easy it is to setup [10:29] It's in my "stuff to look at" queue [10:30] Surprisingly, it looks like it'll fit almost exactly with the workflow of a project I lead [10:31] weirdness [10:31] it requires a svn repo (preferably on the same machine for file:/// access). the database itself is a sqlite instance. most of trac can be configured via webinterface, some options are only avaiable via cli. [10:31] huhu Mez [10:31] dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 22: continued value line not in field [10:32] oh [10:32] control [10:32] I was looking in rules :d [10:32] :) [10:32] as they said, a bear doll helps in debugging :-) === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-78-118.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:33] still no idea what it means [10:33] Mez: an extra newline? 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[01:13] Yagisan: I have an apt-cacher, and 2mbit downstream [01:15] siretart: ok - do you mind if I dcc you a "dehydrated" ia32-libs-universe package a bit later, with brief instructions on how to "rehydrate", and the stick it on revu for me ? [01:15] Yagisan: I'd prefer email, but yes, no problem [01:16] Yagisan: if you tell me on irc, you can even ftp it to tiber, and I'll catch it manually from the incoming queue [01:17] siretart: well, "dehydrated" is 3k, "rehydrated" is ~14MB [01:18] Hmm, seems ia32-libs-universe really has a lot of water in it :-) === raptoid [n=raptoid@81.213.72.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] Yagisan: I think I understand what you want :) [01:19] Yagisan: no problem, pass it over to me, and perhaps compare the md5 sums [01:20] siretart: thanks. I can send it now actually - you'd rather catch it at revu ? [01:20] please ftp it (without changes file) [01:20] that way it is already on the right host, I can sign that remotely [01:24] siretart: I've just ftp'ed it to you [01:25] siretart: after extracting the source, open sources.list.txt and point it at your local cache [01:25] just a sek [01:26] siretart: then just run fetch-and-build, then repack the source. All done :) [01:26] siretart: thank you very much. That package while currently sdl only is a good start. [01:27] I'm running it on tiber agains archive.ubuntu.com [01:28] siretart: best to point it at your cache, it grabs more then is strictly needed, and filters the rest [01:31] Yagisan: -rw-r--r-- 1 siretart siretart 14838930 Dec 29 07:28 ia32-libs-universe_1.0ubuntu1.tar.gz === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] Yagisan: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1329 === markuman [n=markuman@p50927F5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Yagisan: please check if the result is what you expected [01:37] siretart: thank you. the extract directory here http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ia32-libs-universe-0512290731/ia32-libs-universe-1.0ubuntu1/pkgs/ isn't showing the .debs [01:37] siretart: srcs is fine however [01:38] Yagisan: I did exactly what you told me [01:43] siretart: strange - when I build a local copy I have .debs in it [01:43] siretart: -rw-r--r-- 1 jamie jamie 14959851 2005-12-29 12:44 ia32-libs-universe_1.0ubuntu1.tar.gz [01:44] siretart: but that is pointed at breezy (which I have cacged) [01:44] s/cacged/cached [01:44] Yagisan: I think it is okay for you to upload further packages with instructions how to rehydrate the package [01:45] siretart: thank you. [01:46] siretart: your apache server, is it configured to not display .debs ? [01:49] Yagisan: I'll check [01:50] Yagisan: you are right, the .debs are indeed there, but 'just' not displayer [01:51] displayed [01:52] siretart: ok - thats ok. the package as is is fine. Good idea not to display the .debs anyway [01:52] siretart: feel free to enjoy some non-chrooted quake4 :) [01:53] :) [01:53] In the current state, I think 'ia32-libs-sdl' would be a better name [01:54] siretart: I know, but it is only that way, as I haven't tried to get non-sdl apps going [01:54] thank you for working on this! [01:54] siretart: main targets at the moment are sdl, and wine. Then whatever other useful libs that are needed === matgates [n=matthew@host86-131-217-151.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] siretart: your welcome. I have lots of motivation. I want the damm thing to work [01:56] Hello. What's the proedure for submitting .debs for ubuntu? Anyone have a howto link handy? [01:57] matgates: which debs ? [01:58] Well, I'd like to update the stellarium package, it's quite out of date. I think it is in universe/science. [01:58] matgates: whats the current upstream version? [01:59] You mean the current stabe release of the project? 0.7.1 [01:59] *stable [01:59] so we are up to date, I'd say [01:59] or what do you mean with 'updateting stellarium'?? [02:00] Oh, that's odd. I only see 0.6.2-3. [02:00] Is the updated version not available to people running [k] ubuntu 5.10? === matgates is running kubunu 5.10, using gb repository mirrors. [02:01] matgates: breezy released with 0.6.2-3ubuntu1, but we have now 0.7.1-1ubuntu1 in dapper [02:02] OK, sorry, I think I must be mis-undestanding how it works. Newer versions aren't available to people running breezy? === matgates starts downloading dapper. [02:03] no. breezy ist stable, we don't want to break stable releases by new upstream versions [02:03] dapper is our current development release. expect things to break [02:03] right, no probs. [02:04] Is there some way to get Stellarium 0.7.1 flagged as being stable enough to go into breezy? It's been the main release of the project for some time, and is quite a lot more stable than older versions. === JohnnyMast [n=rave@cpc2-cosh5-5-0-cust84.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] matgates: you can try to recompile the dapper sources on breezy, and ask the backports team to include the package into breezy-backports === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] Just to be clear (I don't have a history of debian use, so it's a little confusing to me), that means to biuld the src deb from the dapper repositories and then make a request how - via bugzilla? === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-106-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] matgates: not bugzilla... write a mail to ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com instead :) [02:12] ok, thanks. === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-84-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.77.145] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] evening all [02:44] G'day zakame [02:44] hi Yagisan :) === matgates [n=matthew@host86-131-217-151.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:48] ooh there's a debiandevelopers LP team now [02:49] zakame: I decided to do a bit of voodoo magic to get zsnes running on amd64 [02:49] Yagisan: it runs now? [02:50] zakame: yes :) with my helper package === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] w00t! rocking work :D [02:50] zakame: I can now enjoy chrono trigger :) [02:51] zakame: which is as far as I'm concerned, the only reason to install zsnes [02:51] Yagisan: hehe... I can now imagine you rocking the MOTU Games ship ;) [02:51] zakame: oh, quake4 no longer needs a chroot either [02:52] hm I reckon quake4 needs a GPU with Pixel Shading right? [02:53] zakame: well, I'll be getting a copy to test soon, but doom3 was the tech demo [02:54] zakame: I'm not sure my 6800LE is good enough [02:54] zakame: -rw-r--r-- 1 jamie jamie 1102840 2005-12-05 08:10 zsnes_1.420.orig.tar.gz [02:54] zakame: -rw-r--r-- 1 jamie jamie 550469 2005-12-30 00:55 zsnes_1.420-0.1ubuntu2.diff.gz [02:55] O:-) [02:55] hm I'm pretty much sure the uncompressed diff's bigger than the orig ;) === Gazer [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] zakame: for comparision, -rw-r--r-- 1 jamie jamie 13120 2005-12-05 08:10 zsnes_1.420-0.1ubuntu1.diff.gz [02:56] zakame: can you guess what my diff is :) [02:56] WOW [02:57] zakame: remember, I'm a lazy bugger, that only really does scripting [02:58] haha === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] wb raphink === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [i=jcape@c-71-194-176-102.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] hm where did we get wxglade last? 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[10:51] sistpoty: perhaps, what is it? [10:51] siretart: a library (new clanlib) produces multiple .so files, with different sonames (like libclanvorbis-0.8-1 libclanmikmod-0.8-1) [10:51] siretart: should I put all these into different binary packages to match the SONAME? === markuman [n=markuman@p50925D18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] sistpoty: I don't think that that is necessary. IIUC, you can expect the soname to be changed along all .so's, no? [10:54] siretart: the soname is different with these shared objects. I'm not quite sure if the soname-version would change for all libs or only for one lib [10:55] siretart: however lintian complains about different soname/libname [10:55] it does? interesting.. [10:55] siretart: the gain might be, that an app compiled against libclanlib0.8-dev might only need some binary packages due to shlibs === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:56] hm. I'm a bit undecided, and would need to do some more research about that [10:56] hm [10:57] siretart: ok... library packaging guide also suggests that soname should match... but I'm pretty clueless after all ;) [10:58] hm [10:58] libclanlib has some reverse dependencies [10:58] what exactly do you want to solve? === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] siretart: new version must be installable alongside old version [10:59] siretart: problem is that probably some packages will ftbfs if it isn't [10:59] hmm [10:59] uuh, ugly thing.. [10:59] this is fun lol [10:59] sistpoty: for what do you need the new libclanlib? [11:00] new games :) [11:00] check this out [11:00] such as wormux http://www.wormux.org/en/index.php [11:00] my wireless to the net from my Desktop went to heck [11:00] so I just connected my laptop to the router and setup FreeNX :D [11:01] hm. and it needs libclanlib 0.7, which has changed soname. is the new version at least api compatible to the old one? [11:02] siretart: no it isn't [11:02] hrmpf. [11:02] however I already solved, that new clanlib can be installed alongside old one [11:02] ok. Now I see the problem [11:02] only -dev packages need to conflict (but that' [11:03] + should always be the case, iirc) === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:03] perhaps you should file an ITP and contact Filip (the clanlib maintainer in debian) [11:04] siretart: from some reading in bts, Filip is mia... but another guy wants to adopt clanlib, whom I will contact :) [11:05] sistpoty: even better [11:06] the bugs of clanlib look like they would need some love anyway [11:06] yep... but I want to put a good proposal of new clanlib to revu, before I start writing mails :) === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] seth_k|lappy: no idea... i merged it but i have nothing to test it :/ sorry [11:09] slomo_, no worries, thank you :) [11:09] hi slomo_ [11:09] sistpoty: good idea! :) [11:09] huhu slomo_ [11:09] seth_k|lappy: just file a bugreport :) [11:09] slomo_, yep ;) [11:09] hi sistpoty, siretart [11:09] slomo_: I solved ghc6 issue... was a problem with haskell-utils :) [11:10] (the first time I really could use my haskell-skill or the lack of them *g*) [11:10] sistpoty: hehe thanks :) and mythtv too ;) [11:10] slomo_: so you owe me a beer ;) *g* [11:12] mythtv has been orphaned and needs a new maintainer badly [11:13] hmm... mdz doesn't want it anymore? [11:13] sistpoty: sure... when we meet some day :) [11:13] :) [11:15] slomo_: no :( [11:15] siretart: we should ask tseng... he uses and needs it afaik :P [11:16] wasn't there some discussion about svn-repos with current packaging development last night? [11:17] slomo_: oh, good to know [11:17] sistpoty: huh? did I miss something? [11:17] mom. checking logs [11:18] [00:22:01] it's actually not mdz's anymore according to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/163269 [11:18] [00:22:23] though we should definitely coordinate w/ whatever those guys are doing in svn [11:18] slomo_: libtunepimp is missing a dependency on libmad0-dev. do you know about that? [11:19] slomo_: I just recompiled it locally, and now amarok can use musicbrainz with mp3 :) [11:19] siretart: that's intentional [11:19] siretart: we must ship it on cd because of amarok but we can't ship mad on cd [11:20] slomo_: oh. thats interesting, because mad is in main === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] very annoying. what is the user expected to do in order to get musicbrainz support for mp3? [11:21] siretart: change the laws? :) i have a musicbrainz/tunepimp package with mad on my todo list... as another source package in universe... Riddell asked me to do it some time ago === sethbc [n=sethbc@adsl-156-61-42.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] i'd like to volunteer to support a lighttpd package on ubuntu [11:22] slomo_: ah, ok. this means more or less 'unneeded' duplication [11:22] (Assuming of course that no one has satisfied the RFI currently out there) [11:22] sethbc: there is already a debian package, that we will get soon [11:23] slomo_: the new musicbrainz has loadable modules for different codecs so we can just put the mp3 .so into a separate package. unfortunatly nothing uses it yet [11:23] it's not API compatible [11:23] lfittl: i figured, it's been in sid for a little while, just wanted to help things along if i could as i've been using it for a while, and it'd be much more convenient if it were in the repo ;-) [11:23] Riddell: ok... hm, are the changes big? [11:24] slomo_: I don't think so but e.g. amarok hasn't yet been ported [11:25] hm, port it ;) [11:26] Does somebody know when new debian unstable packages get synced? [11:28] lfittl: not exactly, but I guess they are synced with the daily MoM runs [11:29] lfittl: at least a new debian package, I was envolved in, was in dapper, when I first found out that it hit unstable. [11:29] sistpoty: any idea who I could ask for details? [11:29] lfittl: maybe keybuk? maybe elmo? [11:31] sistpoty: k, thanks, will ask keybuk later [11:33] sethbc: just wait, I will try to get lighttpd into dapper repos as fast as possible ;) [11:33] slomo_: hm i dont use it lately [11:34] slomo_: most things lately seem to be toolchain problems :/ [11:34] tseng: what other things? [11:34] mythv problems [11:35] what happens there? 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