[12:07] <tseng> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html < ugh, yellow is back
[12:09] <\sh> hmm..new upstream...
[12:15] <crimsun> I may as well jog to Mexico while k3d compiles
[12:17] <\sh> grmpf
[12:17] <\sh> kforth new upstream, doesn't like the libreadline5
[12:19] <crimsun> punch it! ;)
[12:19] <\sh> well...new upstream likes gcc4 but doesn't like libreadline5 I'm fcked
[12:20] <\sh> old 1.2.6 doesn't like gcc4 at all :)
[12:20] <whiprush> hi \sh
[12:20] <\sh> moins whiprush
[12:20] <whiprush> thanks for the gajim upload! :)
[12:23] <\sh> whiprush: my pleasure :) it was christmas time :)
[12:23] <raphink> rsynch through ssh doesn't keep owners and perms :(
[12:23] <raphink> well owners I mean :(
[12:23] <\sh> raphink: what about -p ?
[12:24] <\sh> raphink: -p preserve permissions
[12:24] <raphink> doesnt' work
[12:24] <\sh> and -o (only root)
[12:24] <raphink> nor -o
[12:24] <raphink> for owners ;)
[12:24] <raphink> it works great in local
[12:24] <raphink> but not through ssh
[12:24] <\sh> raphink: well...
[12:24] <raphink> :(
[12:24] <raphink> yes
[12:25] <raphink> actually it's -o I'd need
[12:25] <raphink> since it's the owners that are not kept
[12:25] <\sh> raphink: tar -cv <path> | ssh
[12:25] <raphink> hmm
[12:25] <\sh> raphink: tar -cpv <path> | ssh
[12:25] <raphink> even as root, -o doesnt preserve the owners through ssh
[12:25] <crimsun> http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2005-August/013203.html
[12:26] <raphink> everything is written with the current user as the owner
[12:26] <raphink> I wrote my whole tool with rsync and ssh
[12:26] <raphink> so I'm not to use tar instead ;)
[12:26] <raphink> too late ;)
[12:27] <raphink> hmm
[12:27] <raphink> the pb is that I didn't want to use root on the remote side
[12:27] <raphink> because that would imply using a RSA key to connect from root@1 to root@2 without a passwd
[12:27] <raphink> which doesn't seem very secure
[12:28] <raphink> but I guess this will still be the best thing to do
[12:28] <raphink> it seems
[12:38] <raphink> hehe
[12:38] <raphink> :)
[12:38] <raphink> thanks crimsun
[12:38] <raphink> :)
[12:38] <raphink> that was the way to go :)
[12:38] <crimsun> cool
[12:38] <sistpoty> raphink: I'm not quite sure, what you want to do... but you can't change file ownerships as non-root
[12:39] <scotth_> raphink, try cpio, something like cpio -o -v --format=newc | ssh root@host "cpio -i --format=newc" thats what I always use
[12:39] <raphink> that's not what I want to do sistpoty
[12:39] <raphink> I'll try that later on
[12:39] <raphink> so far I've got a system that works great
[12:39] <raphink> spent 2 days making it
[12:39] <raphink> so I'm pretty happy :)
[12:39] <raphink> 2 scripts on the server side, called by 1 script on the client side
[12:40] <raphink> ssh/rsa and nfs as ro to browse the archives
[12:40] <raphink> :)
[12:40] <raphink> works like a charm :)
[12:40] <raphink> and its fast
[12:40] <raphink> maybe just a bit complicate
[12:40] <raphink> hehe ;)
[12:43] <crimsun> hey not bad, only an hour and a half to build k3d on amd64
[12:43] <raphink> :)
[12:44] <StevenK> crimsun: I claim xtalk. Mine!
[12:45] <crimsun> StevenK: I uploaded that a while ago
[12:45] <crimsun> you can have the remaining merges, though :)
[12:46] <\sh> good night folks :)
[12:46] <\sh> have fun with the rest of the merges :)
[12:46] <crimsun> 'night \sh
[12:47] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[12:51] <sistpoty> can s.o. with non-i386 help me with mythtv?
[12:51] <crimsun> I have an amd64 pbuilder, but that's the extent of it. What do you need?
[12:52] <sistpoty> crimsun: it horribly fails on everything but i386, and I guess it might be fixed if the configure was called w.o. i386-specific options
[12:53] <crimsun> ok, tell me where to start
[12:53] <sistpoty> crimsun: mom
[12:53] <crimsun> k
[12:53] <sistpoty> crimsun: I'm just checking if the sourcepackage hit the archives yet
[12:54] <sistpoty> crimsun: grab 0.18.1-5ubuntu1 from mythtv
[12:54] <sistpoty> crimsun: and then look at debian/rules, where configure is called
[12:54] <sistpoty> crimsun: hopefully taking out the line "--cpu=i486 --tune=pentium4 --enable-mmx " will do the trick
[12:55] <sistpoty> (otherwise it will ftbfs very soon, at least according to the build-logs)
[12:55] <slomo> oh mythtv -5 has _SO_ many problem
[12:55] <slomo> s
[12:55] <sistpoty> hi slomo
[12:55] <slomo> hi sistpoty :)
[12:55] <slomo> you have a ghc6 bugreport by lamont himself ;)
[12:56] <sistpoty> slomo: I have? where?
[12:56] <slomo> many lines above... sorry, i'm a bit drunken currently ;) it is uninstallable currently he said
[12:57] <sistpoty> d'oh
[12:57] <slomo> un-uninstallable
[12:57] <StevenK> Oh, blah. instanbul has different tarballs between Debian and Ubuntu.
[12:58] <sistpoty> slomo: what's worse is that it ftbfs currently due to a makefile-problem (make will just sit and run forever) :(
[12:58] <slomo> sistpoty: for mythtv i'm doing that bugreport tomorrow... it was filed by a friend of mine :) i have to meet my expectations ;)
[12:58] <slomo> hmm... another ftbfs because of new make=
[12:58] <slomo> ?
[12:59] <sistpoty> slomo: actually I just wanted to do the stdc++-allocator change... but I'm more than happy if you can take this from me ;)
[12:59] <sistpoty> slomo: maybe... but I haven't investigated it any further yet
[12:59] <slomo> i take mythtv happily... i don't know _what_ i take there but i will solve it.. :P
[12:59] <sistpoty> hehe :)
[01:00] <slomo> and if it's another failure like the mono one where the buildds are to blame ;)
[01:02] <raphink> pfiew
[01:02] <raphink> got it :)
[01:02] <slomo> ok... so i take mythtv and you take ghc6 :P if you solve it faster than me you owe me a beer, otherwise the other way around ;)
[01:02] <tseng> does anyone know when colony 3 is
[01:02] <tseng> or whatever the hell they are called now
[01:02] <tseng> flight
[01:02] <slomo> flight 3 is 2 weeks in the future afaik
[01:02] <sistpoty> slomo: ok, deal ;)
[01:03] <tseng> that sucks
[01:03] <tseng> because flight 2 is useless on my laptop
[01:03] <slomo> haha
[01:03] <slomo> dito :)
[01:03] <slomo> ppc that is
[01:04] <slomo> sistpoty: i think we have to meet then soon :P the mono ftbfs is definitely harder :)
[01:04] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:07] <slomo> hmm... what's with our "uncommon" programming languages team? :) let's get this ready for dapper :)
[01:09] <sistpoty> slomo: i want to get fpc back into dapper... I already had a brief chat w. infinity about it :)=
[01:10] <slomo> fpc?
[01:10] <sistpoty> free pascal compiler
[01:10] <slomo> my major goal is sml and nemerle :) they're _THE_ languages :)
[01:10] <slomo> hmmmm
[01:11] <slomo> someone talked to me about it...
[01:11] <sistpoty> I happened to find the project lazarus... looks very promising
[01:11] <slomo> what's broken there?
[01:11] <sistpoty> with lazarus or with fpc?
[01:11] <slomo> both
[01:12] <sistpoty> fpc simply needs bootstrapping... but this should be going smoothly: take debian package and bootstrap w. it
[01:12] <sistpoty> lazarus is not yet packaged :)
[01:12] <sistpoty> slomo: http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Screenshots&file=index
[01:12] <crimsun> hmm.
[01:12] <slomo> lazarus is cool... only because of the name :)
[01:13] <crimsun> we have gpc, but fp-compiler would be nice.
[01:13] <slomo> crimsun: aaah... i have a mythtv bugreport for you ;P
[01:13] <crimsun> slomo: you mean sistpoty ;)
[01:13] <sistpoty> crimsun: we soon will have fpc back ;)
[01:13] <crimsun> sistpoty: oh? rock!
[01:14] <sistpoty> crimsun: yes... infinity promised to help... after christmas :)
[01:15] <slomo> crimsun: no :P you're the mythtv guy ;) get 6175 :P i don't like to touch it because it's mdz' package
[01:15] <sistpoty> slomo: I still didn't find any complaints for ghc6 in the logs...
[01:15] <slomo> siretart: *sigh* i'll search for it :)
[01:15] <sistpoty> thx slomo
[01:16] <crimsun> slomo: yep, I'm test-building on amd64 atm
[01:16] <crimsun> so far so good...
[01:16] <slomo> sistpoty: Dez 28 16:56:19 <lamont>        dear motus, ghc6 fails to uninstall properly.  fix that pls.
[01:17] <slomo> crimsun: np :) you should definitely join the motumedia forces ;)
[01:17] <sistpoty> slomo: thx
[01:18] <slomo> np :)
[01:22] <crimsun> it's actually not mdz's anymore according to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/163269
[01:22] <crimsun> though we should definitely coordinate w/ whatever those guys are doing in svn
[01:23] <slomo> crimsun: i guess they're as insane as the mplayer and xine guys ;) as the dvd jon is :P
[01:27] <crimsun> sigh, silly coffee shop wifi ;)
[01:28] <slomo> *shrug* :)
[01:28] <crimsun> sistpoty: mythtv builds successfully on amd64 with that line removed from configure
[01:28] <crimsun> I'd say that's a good start
[01:28] <crimsun> uhh
[01:28] <sistpoty> crimsun: thx
[01:29] <sistpoty> slomo: do you want to take mythtv or should I do an upload with that fix?
[01:29] <slomo> and it builds on ppc with that line removed btw ;)
[01:29] <slomo> take it if you want... we're a team :P
[01:30] <sistpoty> slomo: k... then I'll fix the FTBFS and you'll go for your bugs ;)
[01:30] <sistpoty> slomo: or do you want to do with that in one upload?
[01:31] <slomo> no, just take it :) i have xine-lib and a bunch of other problems right now
[01:31] <sistpoty> ok
[01:57] <slomo> gn8
[01:57] <jsgotangco> night slomo
[01:58] <sistpoty> gn8 slomo
[01:59] <crimsun> 'night slomo
[02:05] <raphink> hi ogra_ibook
[02:05] <raphink> :)
[02:05] <ogra_ibook> hi
[02:05] <raphink> how are you?
[02:09] <ogra_ibook> fine ... busy playing with powerpc netbooting
[02:09] <raphink> :)
[02:09] <raphink> hi zakame
[02:10] <zakame> hi raphink :)
[02:10] <raphink> ogra_ibook: do you have some time to give me your opinion on a backup tool I just hacked?
[02:10] <raphink> or zakame maybe :)
[02:11] <zakame> what backup tool? Just got up this morning ;)
[02:11] <raphink> hehe
[02:11] <raphink> http://raphink.free.fr/debs/backup_0.1.tar.gz
[02:11] <raphink> it's all fresh
[02:11] <raphink> ;)
[02:13] <zakame> w00t
[02:13] <zakame> waah lighttpd got packaged now in debian
[02:14] <raphink> :)
[02:15] <raphink> did you have a look the script zakame ?
[02:16] <zakame> not yet
[02:16] <raphink> oki
[02:16] <raphink> :)
[02:16] <zakame> lemme check
[02:16] <raphink> :)
[02:17] <raphink> not sure it was worth it the 2 days, but i'm pretty happy with the result :)
[02:17] <seth_k|lappy> and same for me, not sure if it was worth 2 days, but happy ;)
[02:19] <raphink> hehe
[02:19] <raphink> :)
[02:19] <raphink> happy hackers :)
[02:19] <raphink> zakame: do you also think that was not worth 2 days but you're happy?
[02:20] <zakame> raphink: I'm always happy :)
[02:20] <raphink> :)
[02:20] <raphink> hehe
[02:20] <raphink> did you see narnia already zakame ?
[02:20] <zakame> not yet, it hasn't reached the local cinema, though I think it's already up in Manila
[02:21] <raphink> ok
[02:21] <raphink> :)
[02:21] <raphink> I was afraid to be deceived
[02:21] <zakame> w00t cool backup script
[02:21] <raphink> and i'm far from being any near to deceived
[02:21] <raphink> zakame: :)
[02:22] <raphink> do you think it's cool enough to be released ?
[02:22] <raphink> ;)
[02:27] <zakame> let me test it on the parish net, then we'll see ;)
[02:29] <raphink> sure :)
[02:29] <raphink> it's a bit hard to set up properly I reckon
[02:29] <raphink> you have to set up NFS, RSA keys, crontab manually
[02:29] <raphink> and you need a separate backup partition on the server
[02:29] <raphink> if I find time for that and find it useful, I might work on automatizing these parts a bit
[02:30] <raphink> or at least documenting them better
[02:30] <raphink> at least the backup scripts work and are fast
[02:30] <zakame> oooh
[02:30] <raphink> what?
[02:30] <zakame> I'll keep those in mind (and in log ;)
[02:31] <raphink> ok
[02:31] <raphink> I was thinking about writing an article on the wiki
[02:31] <raphink> about that
[02:31] <raphink> providing the scripts and explaining how to set a nice backup server on a network with them
[02:31] <raphink> won't do that tonight though, cause it's 2:30 AM
[02:31] <raphink> ;)
[02:32] <zakame> whoa
[02:33] <raphink> zakame: what?
[02:34] <zakame> raphink: early morning on your end ;)
[02:34] <raphink> yes indeed
[02:41] <zakame> wb sistpoty
[02:41] <sistpoty> re zakame
[02:42] <raphink> hi sistpoty
[02:42] <sistpoty> hi raphink
[02:52] <zakame> w00t! only 7 pkg unassigned for merge! tho 223 are now assigned :)
[02:53] <zakame> hm the links to ongoing-merge are also 404s now
[02:54] <zakame> except for linux-kernel-di it seems
[02:55] <sistpoty> zakame: if mom couldn't find a common base-version, you get 404's (you can see it in the log file)
[02:55] <raphink> good night
[02:55] <zakame> good night rajasun
[02:55] <zakame> er raphink
[02:55] <sistpoty> zakame: and then there still may be some false positives, though I tried to clean up the list, thx to \sh
[02:55] <raphink> hehe
[02:55] <zakame> sistpoty: ah
< :)
[02:55] <sistpoty> gn8 raphink
[02:56] <zakame> raphink: amen :)
[02:56] <raphink> :)
[02:58] <zakame> gtg too, I'll take wxglade with me ;)
[02:58] <sistpoty> have fun w. it ;)
[02:58] <zakame> hoohoo :D
[02:59] <slomo> crimsun: no need to merge nss-msdn and liferea... they're on top of my todo list :)
[02:59] <crimsun> slomo: d'oh, I uploaded liferea a few minutes ago
[03:00] <slomo> ok, np then :)
[03:00] <crimsun> slomo: and nss-msdn I marked as a sync
[03:00] <crimsun> -mdns
[03:00] <slomo> yes, it is a sync ;)
[03:01] <slomo> *shrug* nevermind :)
[03:02] <sistpoty> gna... mythtv, upload #3 due to copy/paste error from me... I'm no hero today :(
[03:02] <crimsun> hey don't feel bad, it took me 6 tries with vlc for Breezy
[03:02] <tseng> Amaranth: ill hold the punching bag
[03:02] <sistpoty> crimsun: few... then I'll have 3 more to go ;)
[03:03] <crimsun> ;)
[03:03] <tseng> so how do you get locales installed on clean flight2 again?
[03:04] <sistpoty> StevenK: still there? iterm (0.5-5ubuntu1, from your debdiff) FTBFS :/
[03:05] <sistpoty> StevenK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6292
[03:05] <slomo_> crimsun: you should've use to experimental version from liferea... much less to change ;)
[03:05] <slomo_> hmm... bbl
[03:06] <crimsun> slomo_: I did
[03:06] <sistpoty> StevenK: looks like two lines should be commented out instead of only one
[03:09] <Amaranth> tseng: ?
[03:13] <StevenK> sistpoty: However, i386, amd64, hppa, powerpc and sparc all built. Only ia64 failed.
[03:13] <sistpoty> StevenK: is it uploaded already?
[03:14] <StevenK> iterm 0.5-5ubuntu1 was uploaded a while ago.
[03:14] <sistpoty> StevenK: ah, k... then I don't need to look on this ;)
[03:15] <sistpoty> StevenK: but still it's strange that it now ftbfs (on my i386 pbuilder)
[03:15] <sistpoty> StevenK: maybe this is some new feature of make :)
[03:15] <StevenK> sistpoty: It could be the new make. Lemee try to build -5ubuntu1 and -5ubuntu2
[03:16] <Amaranth> iTerm?
[03:17] <StevenK> Internationalized terminal
[03:17] <StevenK> From the Japanese alternate free software dimension.
[03:20] <StevenK> sistpoty: Reproducible.
[03:20] <chillywilly> is bind9 on the breezy install CD?
[03:20] <chillywilly> apt tells me it cannot find it
[03:20] <sistpoty> StevenK: ah, k
[03:21] <Amaranth> chillywilly: on the server cd?
[03:22] <StevenK> sistpoty: I've just made a quick patch to debian/rules. I'll see if it builds first.
[03:22] <sistpoty> StevenK: ok
[03:22] <chillywilly> Amaranth: the install CD
[03:22] <Amaranth> chillywilly: afaik it's only on the server install cd
[03:23] <chillywilly> oh?
[03:23] <chillywilly> didn't know there was a difference
[03:23] <chillywilly> what does it actually do when you choose server then?
[03:23] <chillywilly> just install hte base and install the rest from the net?
[03:23] <chillywilly> the*
[03:23] <chillywilly> doesn't install it at all?
[03:23] <Amaranth> installs the least amount of software possible
[03:24] <chillywilly> so it's just not there
[03:24] <chillywilly> great...
[03:24] <chillywilly> :)
[03:24] <Amaranth> the server cd does too, but it also includes stuff on the cd for servers
[03:24] <tseng> Amaranth: that guy in #g-h is driving me nuts
[03:24] <chillywilly> don't have a server CD though :(
[03:24] <chillywilly> breezy had server cds?
[03:24] <chillywilly> or is this "new"
[03:25] <Amaranth> not really new
[03:25] <Amaranth> new as in breezy was the first release to have them
[03:25] <tseng> for reference, installing a language pack fixes locales
[03:25] <tseng> on a new flight 2 install
[03:25] <tseng> + dist-upgrade
[03:27] <StevenK> sistpoty: Okay, that corrects the FTBFS. Would you like a debdiff between -5ubuntu1 and -5ubuntu2?
[03:27] <tseng> or maybe it doesnt..
[03:27] <sistpoty> StevenK: would be nice
[03:27] <sistpoty> StevenK: then you'll get the credits ;)
[03:28] <StevenK> sistpoty: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/iterm_0.5-5ubuntu2.debdiff
[03:29] <sistpoty> StevenK: thx
[03:31] <sistpoty> StevenK: uploaded
[03:31] <StevenK> sistpoty: Thanks.
[03:31] <sistpoty> np
[03:36] <sistpoty> gn8 everybody
[04:59] <chillywilly> where are the server CDs?
[05:02] <chillywilly> nevermind, found 'em
[05:03] <chillywilly> are these available via ship-it?
[05:04] <chillywilly> (looks like launchpad is down atm)
[06:29] <scotth_> chillywilly, I don't think there are "server" cds, I think what you looking for is to type "server" at the boot prompt of any regular cd
[06:44] <crimsun> there are.
[06:44] <crimsun> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-December/000047.html
[06:51] <chillywilly> http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/breezy/
[06:51] <chillywilly> there too :)
[08:07] <crimsun> moins ogra
[08:08] <crimsun> d'oh
[08:43] <zakame> wb ogra_
[09:03] <zakame> hi womble :)
[09:04] <womble> Hi zakame
[09:04] <womble> siretart: ping
[09:19] <zakame> have the following pkgs been requested for sync already?: module-assisstant, xfce4-fsguard-plugin, albatross, kvdr, lablgl, libapache-mod-musicindex, octave2.1, orbit2cpp, pngwriter, positron?
[09:30] <minghua> zakame: octave2.1 probably haven't been yet
[09:31] <minghua> zakame: if you can review and ask the sync, I'll appreciate it
[09:32] <zakame> minghua: just did, 'tis a sync alright, I was asking earlier if anyone else made sync requests already, I don't want to annoy elmo when he comes back ;)
[09:33] <minghua> elmo should have a web inteface for his IRC away log :-P
[09:33] <minghua> zakame: thanks!
[09:34] <zakame> no prob :)
[09:34] <Mez> womble, is it a REVU thing ?
[09:35] <zakame> bbl, have a nice day all :)
[09:37] <Mez> *pokes*
[09:37] <Mez> anyone around?
[09:37] <FireRabbit> ?
[09:37] <FireRabbit> oops, sorry :)
[09:38] <Mez> wondering why this cdbs package isnt building
[09:38] <Mez> well
[09:38] <Mez> not configuring
[09:40] <sivang> morning al
[09:44] <Mez> sivang - any idea why this package is being a b**tch ?
[09:44] <Mez> it's using cdbs - but doesnt use ./configure
[09:59] <sivang> Mez: which package is that?
[10:00] <Mez> Simias :D
[10:00] <Mez> I've left cdbs behind
[10:00] <Mez> back to good old dh :D
[10:00] <sivang> that's will alwasy work :)
[10:00] <sivang> cdbs is evil
[10:07] <womble> Mez: Yes
[10:07] <Mez> womble: sup - I can probably help
[10:07] <womble> Mez: RCS for the revu code
[10:08] <womble> Does it exist?
[10:08] <Mez> erm - not publically accessible
[10:08] <womble> I want to see if it's doable to deploy for debian-mentors
[10:10] <womble> Any chance of getting at it, or do I just sit down and reimplement it?
[10:19] <siretart> womble: pong
[10:20] <womble> Hey siretart, check scrollback between Mez and I
[10:20] <womble> Just wondering if I can get access to the REVU source code to setup a similar service for debian-mentors
[10:21] <siretart> womble: sure, the svn should be ro for the public
[10:21] <siretart> womble: you mean the old revu1 codebase, no?
[10:22] <womble> siretart: Not sure what the difference between the two is.  At the moment, the features in the currently deployed revu are quite handy enough
[10:23] <siretart> womble: well, the latter is a not yet functional reimplementation of the first, since the first is rather a proof of concept and to investigate our workflow in real life. I didn't imagine that team that it will become that useful
[10:24] <siretart> the url for checkout is this http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu1
[10:24] <siretart> but there seems to be some permissions foo on the server, I'm investigating it
[10:25] <womble> siretart: Yeah, I'm getting PROPFIND errors
[10:25] <siretart> womble: pardon, my bad, this url should work for you: http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu
[10:26] <womble> And lo! there was a checkout
[10:26] <womble> Thanks
[10:26] <siretart> I'm rather using svn+ssh:// on that machine, so I didn't check svn checkout some time ago
[10:26] <siretart> womble: you will definitly need help to set it up, because the documentation is not existant. feel free to ask me
[10:27] <siretart> womble: I'm happy to help you to setup it
[10:27] <womble> What's the rewrite involving at this stage?  (I'll definitely ask for help in setup shortly)
[10:27] <womble> I dunno about non-existent documentation; that README file is a lot longer than several I've seen <grin>
[10:28] <siretart> pretty much everything. try to compare with this: http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/
[10:28] <womble> Another happy trac user.  I'm hearing lots of good things about it.
[10:28] <siretart> womble: ;) - yeah, there is some. but for a project at this size, I'd expect some more, espc. how to use it
[10:29] <siretart> yeah, trac is awesome. I tried it and was astonished how easy it is to setup
[10:29] <womble> It's in my "stuff to look at" queue
[10:30] <womble> Surprisingly, it looks like it'll fit almost exactly with the workflow of a project I lead
[10:31] <Mez> weirdness
[10:31] <siretart> it requires a svn repo (preferably on the same machine for file:/// access). the database itself is a sqlite instance. most of trac can be configured via webinterface, some options are only avaiable via cli.
[10:31] <siretart> huhu Mez
[10:31] <Mez> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 22: continued value line not in field
[10:32] <Mez> oh
[10:32] <Mez> control
[10:32] <Mez> I was looking in rules :d
[10:32] <siretart> :)
[10:32] <minghua> as they said, a bear doll helps in debugging :-)
[10:33] <Mez> still no idea what it means
[10:33] <minghua> Mez: an extra newline?
[10:34] <Mez> space dot
[10:34] <Mez> not space space
[10:34] <Mez> gah
[10:42] <siretart> wooho. new wine :)
[12:44] <Yagisan> re:
[12:45] <Yagisan> siretart: I've had another idea on how to get i386 debs going on amd64 without sucking down source @ build time
[12:45] <Yagisan> if I can get apt-get update to not choke on md5sum mistatches, I'll see if it works
[12:46] <Yagisan> s/mistatches/mismatches
[01:08] <Yagisan> siretart: ping
[01:10] <siretart> Yagisan: pong
[01:12] <Yagisan> siretart: Do you have a local dapper i386 mirror ?
[01:13] <siretart> Yagisan: I have an apt-cacher, and 2mbit downstream
[01:15] <Yagisan> siretart: ok - do you mind if I dcc you a "dehydrated" ia32-libs-universe package a bit later, with brief instructions on how to "rehydrate", and the stick it on revu for me ?
[01:15] <siretart> Yagisan: I'd prefer email, but yes, no problem
[01:16] <siretart> Yagisan: if you tell me on irc, you can even ftp it to tiber, and I'll catch it manually from the incoming queue
[01:17] <Yagisan> siretart: well, "dehydrated" is 3k, "rehydrated" is ~14MB
[01:18] <minghua> Hmm, seems ia32-libs-universe really has a lot of water in it :-)
[01:18] <siretart> Yagisan: I think I understand what you want :)
[01:19] <siretart> Yagisan: no problem, pass it over to me, and perhaps compare the md5 sums
[01:20] <Yagisan> siretart: thanks. I can send it now actually - you'd rather catch it at revu ?
[01:20] <siretart> please ftp it (without changes file)
[01:20] <siretart> that way it is already on the right host, I can sign that remotely
[01:24] <Yagisan> siretart: I've just ftp'ed it to you
[01:25] <Yagisan> siretart: after extracting the source, open sources.list.txt and point it at your local cache
[01:25] <siretart> just a sek
[01:26] <Yagisan> siretart: then just run fetch-and-build, then repack the source. All done :)
[01:26] <Yagisan> siretart: thank you very much. That package while currently sdl only is a good start.
[01:27] <siretart> I'm running it on tiber agains archive.ubuntu.com
[01:28] <Yagisan> siretart: best to point it at your cache, it grabs more then is strictly needed, and filters the rest
[01:31] <siretart> Yagisan: -rw-r--r--  1 siretart siretart 14838930 Dec 29 07:28 ia32-libs-universe_1.0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[01:33] <siretart> Yagisan: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1329
[01:35] <siretart> Yagisan: please check if the result is what you expected
[01:37] <Yagisan> siretart: thank you. the extract directory here http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ia32-libs-universe-0512290731/ia32-libs-universe-1.0ubuntu1/pkgs/ isn't showing the .debs
[01:37] <Yagisan> siretart: srcs is fine however
[01:38] <siretart> Yagisan: I did exactly what you told me
[01:43] <Yagisan> siretart: strange - when I build a local copy I have .debs in it
[01:43] <Yagisan> siretart: -rw-r--r--   1 jamie jamie 14959851 2005-12-29 12:44 ia32-libs-universe_1.0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[01:44] <Yagisan> siretart: but that is pointed at breezy (which I have cacged)
[01:44] <Yagisan> s/cacged/cached
[01:44] <siretart> Yagisan: I think it is okay for you to upload further packages with instructions how to rehydrate the package
[01:45] <Yagisan> siretart: thank you.
[01:46] <Yagisan> siretart: your apache server, is it configured to not display .debs ?
[01:49] <siretart> Yagisan: I'll check
[01:50] <siretart> Yagisan: you are right, the .debs are indeed there, but 'just' not displayer
[01:51] <siretart> displayed
[01:52] <Yagisan> siretart: ok - thats ok. the package as is is fine. Good idea not to display the .debs anyway
[01:52] <Yagisan> siretart: feel free to enjoy some non-chrooted quake4 :)
[01:53] <siretart> :)
[01:53] <siretart> In the current state, I think 'ia32-libs-sdl' would be a better name
[01:54] <Yagisan> siretart: I know, but it is only that way, as I haven't tried to get non-sdl apps going
[01:54] <siretart> thank you for working on this!
[01:54] <Yagisan> siretart: main targets at the moment are sdl, and wine. Then whatever other useful libs that are needed
[01:56] <Yagisan> siretart: your welcome. I have lots of motivation. I want the damm thing to work
[01:56] <matgates> Hello.  What's the proedure for submitting .debs for ubuntu?  Anyone have a howto link handy?
[01:57] <Yagisan> matgates: which debs ?
[01:58] <matgates> Well, I'd like to update the stellarium package, it's quite out of date.  I think it is in universe/science.
[01:58] <siretart> matgates: whats the current upstream version?
[01:59] <matgates> You mean the current stabe release of the project?  0.7.1
[01:59] <matgates> *stable
[01:59] <siretart> so we are up to date, I'd say
[01:59] <siretart> or what do you mean with 'updateting stellarium'??
[02:00] <matgates> Oh, that's odd.  I only see 0.6.2-3.
[02:00] <matgates> Is the updated version not available to people running [k] ubuntu 5.10?
[02:01] <siretart> matgates: breezy released with 0.6.2-3ubuntu1, but we have now 0.7.1-1ubuntu1 in dapper
[02:02] <matgates> OK, sorry, I think I must be mis-undestanding how it works.  Newer versions aren't available to people running breezy?
[02:03] <siretart> no. breezy ist stable, we don't want to break stable releases by new upstream versions
[02:03] <siretart> dapper is our current development release. expect things to break
[02:03] <matgates> right, no probs.
[02:04] <matgates> Is there some way to get Stellarium 0.7.1 flagged as being stable enough to go into breezy?  It's been the main release of the project for some time, and is quite a lot more stable than older versions.
[02:06] <siretart> matgates: you can try to recompile the dapper sources on breezy, and ask the backports team to include the package into breezy-backports
[02:08] <matgates> Just to be clear (I don't have a history of debian use, so it's a little confusing to me), that means to biuld the src deb from the dapper repositories and then make a request how - via bugzilla?
[02:12] <slomo_> matgates: not bugzilla... write a mail to ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com instead :)
[02:12] <matgates> ok, thanks.
[02:43] <zakame> evening all
[02:44] <Yagisan> G'day zakame
[02:44] <zakame> hi Yagisan :)
[02:48] <zakame> ooh there's a debiandevelopers LP team now
[02:49] <Yagisan> zakame: I decided to do a bit of voodoo magic to get zsnes running on amd64
[02:49] <zakame> Yagisan: it runs now?
[02:50] <Yagisan> zakame: yes :) with my helper package
[02:50] <zakame> w00t! rocking work :D
[02:50] <Yagisan> zakame: I can now enjoy chrono trigger :)
[02:51] <Yagisan> zakame: which is as far as I'm concerned, the only reason to install zsnes
[02:51] <zakame> Yagisan: hehe... I can now imagine you rocking the MOTU Games ship ;)
[02:51] <Yagisan> zakame: oh, quake4 no longer needs a chroot either
[02:52] <zakame> hm I reckon quake4 needs a GPU with Pixel Shading right?
[02:53] <Yagisan> zakame: well, I'll be getting a copy to test soon, but doom3 was the tech demo
[02:54] <Yagisan> zakame: I'm not sure my 6800LE is good enough
[02:54] <Yagisan> zakame: -rw-r--r--  1 jamie jamie 1102840 2005-12-05 08:10 zsnes_1.420.orig.tar.gz
[02:54] <Yagisan> zakame: -rw-r--r--  1 jamie jamie  550469 2005-12-30 00:55 zsnes_1.420-0.1ubuntu2.diff.gz
[02:55] <Yagisan> O:-)
[02:55] <zakame> hm I'm pretty much sure the uncompressed diff's bigger than the orig ;)
[02:56] <Yagisan> zakame: for comparision, -rw-r--r--  1 jamie jamie   13120 2005-12-05 08:10 zsnes_1.420-0.1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[02:56] <Yagisan> zakame: can you guess what my diff is :)
[02:56] <zakame> WOW
[02:57] <Yagisan> zakame: remember, I'm a lazy bugger, that only really does scripting
[02:58] <zakame> haha
[02:59] <zakame> wb raphink
[03:09] <zakame> hm where did we get wxglade last?
[03:10] <zakame> ah, never mind
[03:13] <zul> morning
[03:13] <zakame> hi zul :)
[05:48] <Gloubiboulga> evening
[06:24] <Yagisan> siretart: ping
[06:34] <Yagisan> siretart: I need another package "rehydrated"
[06:34] <Yagisan> siretart: I upped zsnes to tiber
[06:35] <Yagisan> siretart: please download, and edit debian/ubuntu.sources.list.txt to point to your dapper mirror
[06:35] <Yagisan> siretart: then run ubuntu-fetch-and-build-amd64
[06:36] <Yagisan> siretart: when finished, build source normally, and please load on revu for me
[06:36] <Yagisan> siretart: this will port zsnes to amd64
[06:37] <Yagisan> siretart: if the diff is about half the size of the orig after "rehydration", it is fine
[06:37] <Yagisan> siretart: thank you
[06:37] <Yagisan> Goodnight all
[07:35] <Kyral> have there been any abnormalies concerning DNS in Dapper?
[08:59] <seth_k|lappy> slomo_, hi! you touched mysql-query-browser last... does it segfault on you too in this version, or is it just me?
[09:09] <JohnnyMast> does ubuntu has heap protection
[10:44] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:50] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[10:50] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[10:50] <sistpoty> siretart: can you help me with a library packaging issue?
[10:51] <siretart> sistpoty: perhaps, what is it?
[10:51] <sistpoty> siretart: a library (new clanlib) produces multiple .so files, with different sonames (like libclanvorbis-0.8-1 libclanmikmod-0.8-1)
[10:51] <sistpoty> siretart: should I put all these into different binary packages to match the SONAME?
[10:53] <siretart> sistpoty: I don't think that that is necessary. IIUC, you can expect the soname to be changed along all .so's, no?
[10:54] <sistpoty> siretart: the soname is different with these shared objects. I'm not quite sure if the soname-version would change for all libs or only for one lib
[10:55] <sistpoty> siretart: however lintian complains about different soname/libname
[10:55] <siretart> it does? interesting..
[10:55] <sistpoty> siretart: the gain might be, that an app compiled against libclanlib0.8-dev might only need some binary packages due to shlibs
[10:56] <siretart> hm. I'm a bit undecided, and would need to do some more research about that
[10:56] <siretart> hm
[10:57] <sistpoty> siretart: ok... library packaging guide also suggests that soname should match... but I'm pretty clueless after all ;)
[10:58] <siretart> hm
[10:58] <siretart> libclanlib has some reverse dependencies
[10:58] <siretart> what exactly do you want to solve?
[10:59] <sistpoty> siretart: new version must be installable alongside old version
[10:59] <sistpoty> siretart: problem is that probably some packages will ftbfs if it isn't
[10:59] <Kyral> hmm
[10:59] <siretart> uuh, ugly thing..
[10:59] <Kyral> this is fun lol
[10:59] <siretart> sistpoty: for what do you need the new libclanlib?
[11:00] <sistpoty> new games :)
[11:00] <Kyral> check this out
[11:00] <sistpoty> such as wormux http://www.wormux.org/en/index.php
[11:00] <Kyral> my wireless to the net from my Desktop went to heck
[11:00] <Kyral> so I just connected my laptop to the router and setup FreeNX :D
[11:01] <siretart> hm. and it needs libclanlib 0.7, which has changed soname. is the new version at least api compatible to the old one?
[11:02] <sistpoty> siretart: no it isn't
[11:02] <siretart> hrmpf.
[11:02] <sistpoty> however I already solved, that new clanlib can be installed alongside old one
[11:02] <siretart> ok. Now I see the problem
[11:02] <sistpoty> only -dev packages need to conflict (but that'
[11:03] <sistpoty> + should always be the case, iirc)
[11:03] <siretart> perhaps you should file an ITP and contact Filip (the clanlib maintainer in debian)
[11:04] <sistpoty> siretart: from some reading in bts, Filip is mia... but another guy wants to adopt clanlib, whom I will contact :)
[11:05] <siretart> sistpoty: even better
[11:06] <siretart> the bugs of clanlib look like they would need some love anyway
[11:06] <sistpoty> yep... but I want to put a good proposal of new clanlib to revu, before I start writing mails :)
[11:08] <slomo_> seth_k|lappy: no idea... i merged it but i have nothing to test it :/ sorry
[11:09] <seth_k|lappy> slomo_, no worries, thank you :)
[11:09] <sistpoty> hi slomo_
[11:09] <siretart> sistpoty: good idea! :)
[11:09] <siretart> huhu slomo_
[11:09] <slomo_> seth_k|lappy: just file a bugreport :)
[11:09] <seth_k|lappy> slomo_, yep ;)
[11:09] <slomo_> hi sistpoty, siretart
[11:09] <sistpoty> slomo_: I solved ghc6 issue... was a problem with haskell-utils :)
[11:10] <sistpoty> (the first time I really could use my haskell-skill or the lack of them *g*)
[11:10] <slomo_> sistpoty: hehe thanks :) and mythtv too ;)
[11:10] <sistpoty> slomo_: so you owe me a beer ;) *g*
[11:12] <siretart> mythtv has been orphaned and needs a new maintainer badly
[11:13] <slomo_> hmm... mdz doesn't want it anymore?
[11:13] <slomo_> sistpoty: sure... when we meet some day :)
[11:13] <sistpoty> :)
[11:15] <siretart> slomo_: no :(
[11:15] <slomo_> siretart: we should ask tseng... he uses and needs it afaik :P
[11:16] <sistpoty> wasn't there some discussion about svn-repos with current packaging development last night?
[11:17] <siretart> slomo_: oh, good to know
[11:17] <siretart> sistpoty: huh? did I miss something?
[11:17] <sistpoty> mom. checking logs
[11:18] <sistpoty> [00:22:01]  <crimsun> it's actually not mdz's anymore according to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/163269
[11:18] <sistpoty> [00:22:23]  <crimsun> though we should definitely coordinate w/ whatever those guys are doing in svn
[11:18] <siretart> slomo_: libtunepimp is missing a dependency on libmad0-dev. do you know about that?
[11:19] <siretart> slomo_: I just recompiled it locally, and now amarok can use musicbrainz with mp3 :)
[11:19] <slomo_> siretart: that's intentional
[11:19] <slomo_> siretart: we must ship it on cd because of amarok but we can't ship mad on cd
[11:20] <siretart> slomo_: oh. thats interesting, because mad is in main
[11:20] <siretart> very annoying. what is the user expected to do in order to get musicbrainz support for mp3?
[11:21] <slomo_> siretart: change the laws? :) i have a musicbrainz/tunepimp package with mad on my todo list... as another source package in universe... Riddell asked me to do it some time ago
[11:22] <sethbc> i'd like to volunteer to support a lighttpd package on ubuntu
[11:22] <siretart> slomo_: ah, ok. this means more or less 'unneeded' duplication
[11:22] <sethbc> (Assuming of course that no one has satisfied the RFI currently out there)
[11:22] <lfittl> sethbc: there is already a debian package, that we will get soon
[11:23] <Riddell> slomo_: the new musicbrainz has loadable modules for different codecs so we can just put the mp3 .so into a separate package.  unfortunatly nothing uses it yet
[11:23] <Riddell> it's not API compatible
[11:23] <sethbc> lfittl: i figured, it's been in sid for a little while, just wanted to help things along if i could as i've been using it for a while, and it'd be much more convenient if it were in the repo ;-)
[11:23] <slomo_> Riddell: ok... hm, are the changes big?
[11:24] <Riddell> slomo_: I don't think so but e.g. amarok hasn't yet been ported
[11:25] <slomo_> hm, port it ;)
[11:26] <lfittl> Does somebody know when new debian unstable packages get synced?
[11:28] <sistpoty> lfittl: not exactly, but I guess they are synced with the daily MoM runs
[11:29] <sistpoty> lfittl: at least a new debian package, I was envolved in, was in dapper, when I first found out that it hit unstable.
[11:29] <lfittl> sistpoty: any idea who I could ask for details?
[11:29] <sistpoty> lfittl: maybe keybuk? maybe elmo?
[11:31] <lfittl> sistpoty: k, thanks, will ask keybuk later
[11:33] <lfittl> sethbc: just wait, I will try to get lighttpd into dapper repos as fast as possible ;)
[11:33] <tseng> slomo_: hm i dont use it lately
[11:34] <tseng> slomo_: most things lately seem to be toolchain problems :/
[11:34] <slomo_> tseng: what other things?
[11:34] <tseng> mythv problems
[11:35] <slomo_> what happens there?
[11:35] <tseng> erm
[11:35] <tseng> the last couple changes we've made is for gcc changes and stuff