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| robertj | hrmm, well I have ended up having a degree of success with pam-script + pam-mount | 12:57 |
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| robertj | net result is user foo can log in and have their directory mounted on the fly on a per-user basis | 12:59 |
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| Viper550 | Hello! Guess what, I have an idea for StreamlinedBoot! | 01:13 |
| mjg59 | Viper550: Shoot | 01:13 |
| === robertj commences the drum-roll | ||
| Viper550 | Okay, you want Usplash to display the bootup tasks by groups right? | 01:14 |
| === robertj thought all the non-error text was going to go away | ||
| Viper550 | I've done some additions to the wiki page /StreamlinedBoot detailing my idea. I'm a end user kinda, but I think I know the way to do this! | 01:15 |
| === psusi just wishes he could find a way to make readahead-list work better... as in be able to read from the disk with more than 10-25% of it's maximum throughput | ||
| Burgwork | Viper550, can I move https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GfxbootTheme ? | 01:15 |
| mjg59 | Viper550: Hmm. The flashing thing? | 01:15 |
| Viper550 | yes | 01:16 |
| Viper550 | yes for both! | 01:16 |
| mjg59 | Viper550: Interesting | 01:16 |
| Viper550 | Also, look under Implementation | 01:16 |
| Burgwork | Viper550, and can we move all these things under Artwork? | 01:16 |
| mjg59 | Viper550: I've no idea what the plan is, but it's easy to implement that in uslash :) | 01:16 |
| Viper550 | yes! | 01:16 |
| Viper550 | Oh yeah, I'm yalking Streamlined Boot here, artwork related requests for me should me in ubuntu-meeting | 01:16 |
| mjg59 | Scott will be back from holday next week, so I'll chat to him then? | 01:16 |
| Viper550 | Ojay! | 01:17 |
| Viper550 | I meant Okay | 01:17 |
| Burgwork | Viper550, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/MetacityTheme | 01:17 |
| Burgwork | Viper550, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/GfxbootTheme | 01:17 |
| Viper550 | T and Y! | 01:18 |
| Viper550 | p.s. Happy New Year in 2 days... | 01:18 |
| Burgwork | Viper550, can you make certain you create any more artwork pages under Artwork? | 01:19 |
| Viper550 | Okay, I already pledged that in meeting | 01:19 |
| Burgwork | Viper550, thanks | 01:19 |
| Viper550 | You are welcome, now on StreamlinedBoot, check out my idea Burgwork! | 01:20 |
| jdub | Burgwork: ber, unnecessary structure in a wiki | 01:25 |
| Viper550 | So, is my idea feasable or doable? | 01:25 |
| jdub | Viper550: keep in mind that canonical is sponsoring the default desktop artwork in dapper again | 01:25 |
| Viper550 | Oh great, but the Universe idea is a good idea | 01:25 |
| tseng | jdub: does it have naked hunnies? | 01:26 |
| Viper550 | No, they discontinued ubuntu-calendar | 01:26 |
| Burgwork | jdub, which page? | 01:26 |
| Burgwork | jdub, you talking the specs moving the artwork stuff? | 01:27 |
| jdub | Burgwork: always putting everything in subpages | 01:27 |
| Burgwork | jdub, not always, just for things that should be logically grouped together, such as artwork discussion or testing | 01:28 |
| jdub | Burgwork: "logically grouped" doesn't always imply "requires a separate namespace" | 01:29 |
| Burgwork | jdub, yes, I agree with you. we are just disagreeing about when | 01:29 |
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| Burgwork | jdub, recent changes is getting hard to parse quickly. Namespaces allow that | 01:32 |
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| Viper550 | So, does anyone still like my StreamlinedBoot idea? | 01:39 |
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| Burgwork | Viper550, I like the idea, but am not certain about blinking the words or the number of words | 01:40 |
| Burgwork | jdub, on happier notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyWaysToHelpUbuntu | 01:41 |
| Viper550 | But, that's what the KDE splash does! | 01:41 |
| Viper550 | Also, the GIF was an example only! | 01:41 |
| Burgwork | Viper550, yes, it was a cool first mockup | 01:41 |
| Viper550 | Yep, but it's the coding ideas that are the stars here! | 01:44 |
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| Viper550 | Come on configure......... | 01:46 |
| Viper550 | YEAH! Lets make a make! | 01:46 |
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| Viper550 | never mind, failed already (goes to packages.ubuntu.com | 01:46 |
| Viper550 | Reading Database... | 01:48 |
| Viper550 | Unpacking, setting up | 01:49 |
| Viper550 | There, done! | 01:49 |
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| crimsun_ | elmo: please sync qtparted, mysql++, nss-mdns, and mplayerplug-in from Sid (ok to override Ubuntu changes), thanks. | 02:47 |
| mjg59 | crimsun_: He's not back from holiday yet, so it might be an idea to mail him | 02:54 |
| psusi | damn... I'm so confused... I did apt-get source gnome-volume-manager... now let's say I fix the source... what do I want to do to build it into a package I can install and test? dpkg-buildpkg? and then assuming it works, how do I get the changes into dapper? | 02:55 |
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| psusi | I'm used to just ./configure, make, make install... then when it works, diff and email... but I"m trying to figure out the "right" way | 02:57 |
| crimsun_ | psusi: generate a debdiff and attach it to the bugzilla bug report | 02:58 |
| crimsun_ | mjg59: right, thanks. | 02:58 |
| psusi | how do you do that? | 02:58 |
| crimsun_ | psusi: /j -motu | 02:58 |
| psusi | ahh... ok... | 02:58 |
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| psusi | anyone know what sets the is_mounted hal attribute? is it g-v-m, pmount, or hald itself? | 04:12 |
| crimsun_ | I would hope the last. | 04:13 |
| crimsun_ | (presuming of course that hald has any concept of mounted devices) | 04:14 |
| psusi | how would it know when mounts change, and so it should take a look at mtmp again? | 04:14 |
| crimsun_ | have you asked in #freedesktop ? | 04:15 |
| psusi | hrm... good idea... | 04:20 |
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| FireRabbit | hey folks, is there an (up to date) doc somewhere that explains the entire hardware detection process (all the way to where it actually loads the module)? | 05:19 |
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| Amaranth | FireRabbit: you'd want to look into udev and hal | 05:27 |
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| FireRabbit | hmm, any suggestions of files/directoies i should poke around in? | 05:30 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; new device gets plugged in | 05:33 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; kernel generates an event on a netlink socket | 05:33 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; udevd is listening | 05:33 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; udevd invokes modprobe (possibly indirectly) | 05:33 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; modprobe looks at its config in /etc/modprobe.d/ to resolve aliases and figure out options | 05:34 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; modprobe calls insmod with the appropriate info | 05:34 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; insmod loads the module | 05:34 |
| Amaranth | does it modprobe every driver possible until it finds one that wants the device? | 05:34 |
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| desrt | Amaranth; no. there is a list of which module belongs to which USB(for example) vendor/product codes | 05:34 |
| FireRabbit | desrt, where is this list? | 05:35 |
| Amaranth | i thought the list was in the driver | 05:35 |
| desrt | it is | 05:35 |
| desrt | it gets pulled out by modutils | 05:35 |
| desrt | and stored in /lib/modules/`uname -r` | 05:35 |
| Amaranth | ah | 05:35 |
| desrt | see modules.___map | 05:35 |
| FireRabbit | those modules.* files? | 05:35 |
| desrt | yes | 05:35 |
| FireRabbit | okay... good to know .. thanks... so does udev read these map files or modprobe? | 05:36 |
| desrt | i don't know | 05:36 |
| FireRabbit | hmm | 05:36 |
| desrt | i suspect it's modprobe though | 05:37 |
| FireRabbit | i would think udevd, since 'modprobe' wants the name of the module | 05:37 |
| desrt | no. modprobe has a reasonably sophisticated alias-resolution system | 05:37 |
| desrt | you can probably say something like modprobe usb-id-1234-5678 | 05:37 |
| desrt | and it will DTRT | 05:37 |
| FireRabbit | oh | 05:37 |
| desrt | i don't know the exact syntax | 05:37 |
| FireRabbit | DTRT=? | 05:37 |
| desrt | 'do the right thing' | 05:38 |
| Amaranth | do the right thing | 05:38 |
| FireRabbit | oh | 05:38 |
| FireRabbit | anyone else know the answer.... ? | 05:40 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; do some investigation on your own. you have the source to the entire operating system. absolutely nothing is stopping you | 05:41 |
| desrt | FireRabbit; you also have google | 05:41 |
| FireRabbit | heh.. yeah, alright i'll poke around | 05:42 |
| FireRabbit | it's confusing because i know that a lot of hotplug stuff changed in dapper.. dunno what is current and what isn't | 05:42 |
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| spstarr_home | is bugzilla broken? i cant submit a bug missing fields, but page doesnt render to show me the fields(?) | 07:04 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 2 released | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by seth_k|lappy at Sun Dec 25 05:46:43 2005 | ||
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| sivang | morning al | 08:57 |
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| Treenaks | sabdfl made cnn again: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/12/29/space.travel.ap/index.html | 09:20 |
| Treenaks | (or at least, a picture of him) | 09:21 |
| zakame | w00t | 09:21 |
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| sivang | Yep, that's our Mark - always on the news :) | 09:25 |
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| teuf | hi | 12:02 |
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| siretart | is someone else encountering problems with archive.ubuntu.com? the mysterious 'file not found' errors vanished when switching to my country mirror | 12:35 |
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| janimo | elmo, please sync/override xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-fsguard-plugin. thank you | 12:43 |
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| janimo | elmo, also, canonical RT issue #1215, thank you. And a happy new year. | 12:46 |
| HiddenWolf | janimo, lol | 12:50 |
| HiddenWolf | "elmo, fix my problems, then you can have new year" ;) | 12:50 |
| janimo | they're orthogonal :) | 12:51 |
| janimo | happy new year all even if you don;t fix any of my probs. | 12:51 |
| janimo | bye | 12:51 |
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| slomo | elmo: please sync pygame, meta-gnome2, gazpacho from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 01:49 |
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| zakame | elmo: please sync libfwbuilder from Debian Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes ok. Thanks :D | 04:01 |
| elmo | libfwbuilder | 2.0.9-3.1 | dapper/universe | source | 04:02 |
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| zakame | ooh, it was already there since the 6th, my bad :( sorry then | 04:04 |
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| fabbione | siretart: i am getting rsync to hang on one of the archive.u.c so it might be a problem with one of them | 05:13 |
| fabbione | siretart: btw.. igor has a bad memory module. | 05:13 |
| fabbione | siretart: dmesg is full of ECC correction | 05:14 |
| siretart | fabbione: thanks for notice, I'll see what I can do | 05:14 |
| fabbione | siretart: and it makes a bunch of pkgs to fail to build when they suck up all mem | 05:14 |
| fabbione | siretart: let me know when and if you are taking it down | 05:14 |
| siretart | will do | 05:14 |
| fabbione | so that i can stop the buildd in time | 05:15 |
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| siretart | the thing is that I will be skiing next week | 05:15 |
| Simira | fabbione :) Merry Christmas and all that stuff | 05:15 |
| fabbione | Simira: same to you :) | 05:15 |
| fabbione | siretart: no problem.. it might have been doing for a while. | 05:15 |
| siretart | fabbione: I have to ask Joerg what kind of memory it needs and look for a replacement | 05:16 |
| siretart | but up to now I think it has been doing a quite good job, the poor old igor :) | 05:16 |
| fabbione | siretart: ok, no rush :) | 05:16 |
| fabbione | siretart: oh i agree :) | 05:16 |
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| siretart | fabbione: will be igor any good when soyuz goes life? do you have any news on that topic? | 05:18 |
| fabbione | siretart: i hope that when soyuz will go online, there will be sparc buildd at the datacenter | 05:19 |
| fabbione | siretart: and we can turn igor into a test install bitch^Wmachine | 05:19 |
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| siretart | fabbione: sounds good! | 05:22 |
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| psusi | fabbione: hey... have you had a chance ( or will you sometime in the near future ) to look at the initramfs scripts I added to the dmraid bug? Think they might get moved into the dmraid package and the package mvoed to main in time for dapper? | 05:24 |
| jbailey | Simira: I had a crazy dream last night that you told Tollef to phone me up and yell at me. | 05:28 |
| jbailey | Simira: And he phoned me and asked for something to make him angry so that he could yell at me - you hadn't given him a reason. | 05:28 |
| Treenaks | LOL | 05:29 |
| Simira | jbailey : what did you do now? | 05:29 |
| Simira | jbailey : and what's your phone number? | 05:29 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Dude, I can't install 2.4 kernels because mkinitramfs bitches and doesn't fall back | 05:29 |
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| jbailey | Simira: No idea. =) | 05:30 |
| jbailey | mjg59: In Ubuntu? | 05:30 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Yeah | 05:30 |
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| Mez | jbailey, you're name isnt John is it ? | 05:31 |
| jbailey | mjg59: On all arches aside from i386, glibc is tweaked to to die if it tries to run on a pre-2.6 kernel. i386 will get the same love post dapper. | 05:31 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Uhm. So we're not 2.4 compatible? | 05:31 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Nope. 2.4 has never been a supported target for Ubuntu since Warty. | 05:31 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: The packages should possibly be pulled from the archive, then :) | 05:32 |
| jbailey | Although until Breezy, it would generally work. In breezy I think it generally wouldn't work and in dapper +1 I promise that it won't. =) | 05:32 |
| jbailey | *lol* Yeah probably. =0 | 05:32 |
| jbailey | All of Dapper's hotplug/udev/initramfs-tools love needs at least 2.6.12, too. | 05:32 |
| mjg59 | Mm. | 05:33 |
| robertj | what's the background info on pam management & authconfig? I imagine authconfig was rejected for not being complete enough and not using gst? | 05:33 |
| Simira | jbailey : about your phone number? | 05:33 |
| mjg59 | Well, let's see what happens when I reboot now... | 05:33 |
| jbailey | Simira: Eh? =) | 05:34 |
| Simira | 0:) | 05:34 |
| jbailey | Simira: Your beau already has it.. Perhaps he can take a look at your evil grin and decide if it's safe to give it to you or not.. =) | 05:35 |
| psusi | dapper is due out in feb right? | 05:36 |
| psusi | err... | 05:36 |
| psusi | no... | 05:36 |
| psusi | did the math wrong... april | 05:36 |
| Simira | jbailey : hehe, yeah. I'll just wish you happy new year or something. | 05:36 |
| Mez | Hmm - anyone here able to help me find out why I'm not getting katie output | 05:41 |
| fabbione | psusi: no, i didn't look at dmraid in a while, didn't see new upstream releaes and it seems to be broken in dapper (at least it is for me) | 05:43 |
| fabbione | psusi: given how fast it breaks i doubt i am going to push it in main for now | 05:43 |
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| psusi | fabbione: it breaks? | 05:46 |
| psusi | works great for me and about 3 other people who have emailed me | 05:46 |
| Mez | jdub: ping | 05:48 |
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| thesaltydog | any chance to get baobab and/or bum in main? | 05:53 |
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| jbailey | Mithrandir: =) | 06:19 |
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| Robot101 | wtf, gajim in dapper depends on dnspython which is gone | 06:31 |
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| fabbione | psusi: it breaks for me. i didn't say your scripts are broken. it's a devmapper issue in my case | 06:41 |
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| psusi | hrm... maybe I can help you figure out what's wrong? | 07:19 |
| fabbione | psusi: dmraid doesn't see the disks anymore. a dmraid scan reports no disks available. | 07:22 |
| fabbione | can be anything.. | 07:22 |
| fabbione | from the kernel to udev | 07:22 |
| psusi | what are the symptoms? | 07:22 |
| fabbione | psusi: dmraid doesn't see the disks anymore. a dmraid scan reports no disks available. | 07:23 |
| fabbione | so it can't activate disks that it can't see | 07:23 |
| psusi | hrm... do you actually have the disks set up for dmraid? i.e. configured in the bios? or did you just partition the disks with mdraid? | 07:24 |
| psusi | I assume the former, but thought I'd make sure | 07:24 |
| psusi | hrm... which controller do you have again? via? | 07:25 |
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| fabbione | psusi: yes, .12 sees them. it's a via. | 07:30 |
| fabbione | anyway time for dinner and shower | 07:30 |
| fabbione | it's a low priority problem for me anyway | 07:30 |
| fabbione | there are no data on those disks | 07:30 |
| psusi | weird... changing kernel is what breaks it? | 07:30 |
| fabbione | yes i told you, but there can be different reasons for that | 07:31 |
| fabbione | the driver doesn't see the disks | 07:31 |
| fabbione | udev doesn't create the devices | 07:31 |
| fabbione | etc. | 07:31 |
| fabbione | now.. i am off for real :) | 07:31 |
| Mez | hmm | 07:31 |
| fabbione | it's my last day of vac | 07:31 |
| === fabbione & | ||
| Mez | how annoying would it be if someone accidentally managed to upload a package to the buidds which just kept calling itself :D | 07:32 |
| Mez | lol | 07:32 |
| === Mez just made one of those packages by accident | ||
| Mez | luckily it's nothing I plan to upload anywhere | 07:32 |
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| psusi | udev doesn't create the devices for the underlying physical disks? that would be a problem outside the scope of dmraid ;) | 07:39 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 07:51 |
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| ryanpg | hi again pitti, do you need anything else for bug 20564? it's the last day of my vacation so I'm willing to help if I can :) | 08:11 |
| pitti | ryanpg: I'm a bit puzzled | 08:14 |
| pitti | ryanpg: what does 'id hal' say? | 08:14 |
| pitti | oh, forget that if usb mounting works | 08:15 |
| pitti | ryanpg: I just replied to the bug, I need a ful hal debug output | 08:17 |
| pitti | ryanpg: as described on DebuggingRemovableDevices | 08:17 |
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| ryanpg | pitti, hrm... I didn't think I truncated the hal ouput | 08:23 |
| pitti | ryanpg: I didn't suspect you to :) | 08:23 |
| ryanpg | pitti, well I'll do it again right now :) | 08:23 |
| pitti | somehow hal does not see the firewire device partitions; it sees the device itself, though | 08:23 |
| pitti | ryanpg: 'again'? | 08:23 |
| ryanpg | I thought above you were asking for me to redo DebuggingRemovableDevices to provide " a ful hal debug output" | 08:24 |
| pitti | ryanpg: no, it's described on the second half of the page | 08:24 |
| ryanpg | oh oh ok... yeah I get it sorry | 08:24 |
| pitti | ryanpg: hald --verbose=yes --daemon=no etc. | 08:25 |
| ryanpg | right doing so now | 08:25 |
| ryanpg | I guess I should follow the breezy part in step 3 | 08:25 |
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| ryanpg | pitti, ok it's attached | 08:29 |
| ryanpg | this line seems to say a lot "13:27:53.578 [I] blockdev.c:602: Ignoring hotplug event - no parent" | 08:29 |
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| pitti | ryanpg: hm, it doesn't look too bad, odd | 08:32 |
| pitti | ryanpg: thanks for the log | 08:32 |
| ryanpg | pitti, np | 08:32 |
| ryanpg | hope there's not much more testing to do, I just tripped over the cable and threw the firewire drive on the floor! :P | 08:33 |
| pitti | ryanpg: there is no such warning for sda | 08:34 |
| dooglus | "locate" is dumping core for me. how would I go about building a debuggable version? | 08:34 |
| pitti | ryanpg: do you get an lshal entry for sda now? | 08:34 |
| ryanpg | lshal | grep sda returns nothing | 08:35 |
| ryanpg | ok after another disconnect and reconnect I get linux.device_file = '/dev/sda1' (string) | 08:36 |
| ryanpg | pitti, sorry I also did pmount /dev/sda3 | 08:37 |
| pitti | ok, the 'Ignoring hotplug event - no parent' causes the device not to be added to the db | 08:38 |
| mjg59 | Did anyone download the Debs of those conexant drivers? | 08:39 |
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| pitti | ryanpg: I'm puzzled about that; I'll ask upstream about it | 08:40 |
| ryanpg | pitti, ok... I also wonder what's unique about my setup... no one else has commented on the bug | 08:41 |
| pitti | ryanpg: did it work in breezy? | 08:41 |
| ryanpg | pitti, yes | 08:41 |
| ryanpg | a general question: what's the average lag-time between a package appearing on dapper-changes list and ending up in the repos? | 08:43 |
| pitti | ryanpg: that depends on how fast it is built | 08:43 |
| pitti | or if it is built at all | 08:43 |
| ryanpg | pitti, ic | 08:43 |
| ryanpg | I had assumed it was automated and everything on dapper-changes was built in order | 08:44 |
| ryanpg | pitti, thanks for working on this udev issue, I'm sure you'll update the bug if you need more info | 08:45 |
| pitti | yes, I will | 08:45 |
| pitti | it's a hal issue now :) | 08:45 |
| ryanpg | uh oh :) | 08:45 |
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| lucasvo | http://pastebin.com/483986 < my nautilus isn't working anymore | 08:57 |
| lucasvo | anyone know what's wrong? | 08:57 |
| lucasvo | it doesn't seem to be a problem of the user | 08:59 |
| ryanpg | lucasvo, you may want to try #ubuntu this isn't a support channel | 08:59 |
| lucasvo | ryanpg: as I said, it doesn't seem to be a problem of the user... | 08:59 |
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| kikidonk | hello ! is it normal that eclipse in dapper/universe is broken ? | 09:16 |
| kikidonk | eclipse-jdt and eclipse-jdt-common depend on each other | 09:16 |
| kikidonk | making impossible to install anything depending on these two (eclipse-sdk and co) | 09:16 |
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