[12:24] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[12:34] <Kyral> gah
[12:34] <Kyral> I cannot upload
[12:34] <Kyral> directly...
[12:35] <crimsun> ...to?
[12:35] <Kyral> Oh anything really
[12:36] <Kyral> but this means most of my package devel is shot for a while
[12:36] <crimsun> how are you trying to upload?
[12:36] <crimsun> I use scp for most everything
[12:36] <Kyral> crimsun
[12:36] <Kyral> I had a most odd problem
[12:37] <Kyral> you see. My desktop's wireless lost its friendship with DNS
[12:37] <Kyral> IP works fine. But anything to do with DNS...nope
[12:38] <crimsun> can you resolve anything at all?
[12:38] <Kyral> Nope
[12:38] <Kyral> example
[12:38] <crimsun> for instance, host cnn.com 152.2.21.1
[12:39] <Kyral> nope
[12:39] <Kyral> I cannot ping cnn.com
[12:39] <Kyral> however I can ping 152.2.21.1
[12:41] <Kyral> and traceroute whatever
[12:41] <Kyral> interesting no?
[12:41] <tseng> ..can you ping your prefered dns server?
[12:41] <Kyral> I can ping any IP
[12:41] <crimsun> that host command doesn't work?
[12:41] <Kyral> including the DNS
[12:41] <Kyral> nope
[12:42] <Kyral> doesn't work
[12:42] <Mez> hmm - I need a little help with some packaging - it seems to be really broked :D
[12:42] <tseng> so switch your dns
[12:42] <Kyral> I tried
[12:42] <Mez> I cant get *.install files working
[12:42] <tseng> 4.2.2.5
[12:42] <crimsun> sounds like your router/ISP is blocking 53
[12:42] <Kyral> Actually it isn't
[12:42] <Mez> tseng: still having problems with it ... :D
[12:42] <Kyral> because 1) My sister's laptop (on XP) is fine
[12:42] <tseng> Mez: dude i told you where to look
[12:42] <Kyral> and 2) My laptop on UBuntu Dapper is fine
[12:42] <Mez> tseng: I know - and godamn I've looked :D
[12:43] <Mez> but it still doesnt want to work and I cant see what I'm missing
[12:43] <Kyral> this morning I realized that I could still use my SSH connection to my laptop (and vice versa) within the Network
[12:44] <Kyral> so after a couple hours of trying to forward my laptop's DNS through to my desktop. I realized I was being quite stupid
[12:44] <crimsun> Kyral: following a reboot?
[12:45] <Kyral> crimsun: I worked on this all last night and NOTHING
[12:45] <Mez> tseng: remind me of the package again so i can have another look ?
[12:45] <Kyral> I even hit it with an Ethereal trace
[12:45] <Kyral> the DNS packet is going out
[12:45] <Kyral> but nothing is coming back
[12:47] <crimsun> if it's not getting beyond your router, you'll know the problem is local
[12:47] <Kyral> I have no idea why
[12:48] <Kyral> It is going beyond my router
[12:48] <Kyral> but something is unique to my computer, my wireless card
[12:49] <Kyral> My MAC prolly wound up on a blacklist somewhere
[12:50] <Kyral> I just hope that it didn't affect my Ethernet so when I go back to school all will be well
[12:51] <Kyral> anyway. I realized. My laptop can get to the Net. And I can access my laptop over SSH
[12:51] <Kyral> so I installed FreeNX on the laptop, scp'd the client deb over to the desktop, and bam. I have internet on my desktop...kinda :P
[12:52] <Kyral> but it puts a damper on any direct uploads from my desktop...
[12:54] <Kyral> still need to find out whats going on..but *shrug*
[12:55] <Mez> siretart: ping
[12:56] <Kyral> anyone ever hear of DNS problems to only one computer in a LAN?
[01:00] <siretart> Mez: pong
[01:01] <Mez> siretart: I'm getting an error 553 when trying to upload to REVU
[01:01] <Mez> something going on with it
[01:01] <Mez> ?
[01:01] <crimsun> speaking of which, I simply can't recover my pass for REVU
[01:05] <Mez> crimsun - I had that problem
[01:05] <Mez> I think it still encrypts to siretart ?
[01:14] <siretart> err 533?
[01:14] <siretart> thats strange
[01:14] <siretart> who wanted to upload unrealtournament?!
[01:15] <siretart> Mez: if you wanted to upload katapult, please retry
[01:15] <Mez> siretart: I guess it was a problem with disk space
[01:16] <Mez> night siretart
[01:16] <crimsun> night siretart
[01:16] <Kyral> night siretart
[01:16] <Mez> thanks for the help siretart !
[01:41] <crimsun> wtf
[01:51] <crimsun> hi michael, good holidays?
[02:01] <tritium> Hi crimsun.  Yes, very good.  Yours?  Sorry for the delay.  I didn't see a nick highlight ;)
[02:02] <crimsun> tritium: not bad, just doing some alsa commits locally
[02:02] <tritium> :)
[02:59] <psusi> so.. I've got me a source package unpacked with apt-get... I'm fixing the source... how can I build it into a .deb I can install and test, then how can I send the fixes to be included in the next release?
[02:59] <crimsun_> psusi: assuming you've bumped the version in debian/changelog, just debuild -S
[03:00] <psusi> ok... explain it to me like I'm 4 years old... I don't really have a good understanding of debian packages other than they are tarballs with install and remove scripts ;)
[03:00] <crimsun_> then debdiff foo1.dsc foo2.dsc > foo2.debdiff   (where foo2 is your modified one)
[03:00] <psusi> debuild eh?  hrm... let me see...
[03:00] <crimsun_> do you have a pbuilder configured?
[03:01] <psusi> hrm... I don't think so... I just apt-get source package
[03:01] <crimsun_> oh, you'll want to configure a pbuilder first, then.
[03:01] <psusi> ok... how/what is that?
[03:01] <bur[n] er> has anyone played with Rox-filer 2.4 yet?
[03:02] <crimsun_> psusi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:02] <crimsun_> bur[n] er: I'm working on the merge
[03:03] <crimsun_> it's a bit problematic, and I need to coordinate w/ Frankie
[03:03] <crimsun_> partially because we need the patch so it doesn't crash with GTK+ >= 2.8.9
[03:03] <crimsun_> psusi: many of the tips here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips ) are relevant
[03:04] <bur[n] er> cool... thanks for the quick feedback crimsun_ :)
[03:07] <seth_k|lappy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1317 can be archived; anthony didn't notice the package was already uploaded.
[03:08] <Mez> seth_k|lappy, done
[03:10] <seth_k|lappy> cheers Mez
[03:10] <seth_k|lappy> ( :D )
[03:10] <Mez> :P
[03:10] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[03:10] <seth_k|lappy> how's Katapult coming
[03:11] <seth_k|lappy> I demand a 0.3.1
[03:11] <psusi> hrm... so this thing sets up a chroot environment where the package is copied to, then does the configure, make, make install, and looks to see what files in the chroot the make install changed, and puts those into the binary package?
[03:12] <crimsun_> psusi: pbuilder is just a build environment; you're still responsible for maintaining the debian infrastructure for it
[03:13] <Mez> seth_k|lappy, it's not tht far away - thats what it'll be when we drop out of baz snapshots :D
[03:13] <Mez> lol
[03:13] <Mez> but er ...
[03:13] <Mez> lol - well :D I can't say when that'll be
[03:13] <Mez> but - if you wanna ask for stuff etc :D feel free
[03:13] <Mez> what do you think can be improved
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> I wish it were more aggressive about picking up the links in my K menu
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> a lot of them it can't find, dunno why
[03:14] <Mez> seth_k|lappy, newly added ones?
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> not really
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> several weeks old :P
[03:15] <Mez> yeah it doesnt update regularly
[03:15] <Mez> seth_k|lappy, has katapult been re-started since then
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> yeah
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> mm, not several weeks, hold that
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> I just re-installed that app
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> but a considerable measure of time
[03:15] <Mez> lol
[03:16] <Mez> it needs to be restarted before it picks them up :(
[03:16] <seth_k|lappy> so it actually caches the contents of the K Menu?
[03:16] <Mez> thats something wer're working on
[03:16] <Mez> atm yeah
[03:16] <seth_k|lappy> ok
[03:16] <Mez> if only the dcop interface for the MenuManager worked we'd be sorted
[03:16] <Mez> but it doesnt
[03:16] <Mez> or is it just for me
[03:16] <Mez> try this
[03:16] <Mez> /exec -o dcop kicker MenuManager
[03:18] <psusi> I hate being kicked by de cops man... ;)
[03:22] <Mez> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1332
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> nope, that didn't update it
[03:24] <Mez> weird
[03:24] <Mez> submit  bug in malone with more info
[03:24] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/products/katapult/+filebug
[03:43] <zakame> If I intend to package something that was previously missing in Debian that I want in Ubuntu, and during the time I was packaging this there came a version already in Debian, can I still continue my packaging?
[03:43] <crimsun_> of course, just be sure to base your package off Debian's
[03:44] <crimsun_> you're free to stuff all the changes [within reason]  into .diff.gz
[03:44] <crimsun_> I mean, you /could/ continue to use your own package, but beware the maintenance nightmares come Ongoing Merge-time
[03:44] <zakame> well its NEW, so my packaging is entirely different from debian's
[03:45] <crimsun_> then it's up to you.
[03:45] <crimsun_> I /strongly/ recommend you coordinate with the Debian maintainer(s)
[03:45] <crimsun_> ultimately you want to be able to just push your changes to them so the autosync will kick in
[03:46] <zakame> ah... yes, I pinged the Debian team to see if they're still willing to have other co-maintainers
[03:46] <crimsun_> otherwise the maintenance beast is hairy.
[03:59] <hub> hi
[04:02] <zakame> hi hub
[04:06] <Mez> hey hub
[04:06] <Mez> hows things?
[04:06] <hub> fine
[04:08] <Mez> good good
[04:43] <hub> I'm having pain with atheros driver
[04:53] <Amaranth> oh man, i hope the gateway i'm getting is the full centrino platform
[04:53] <Amaranth> i don't want to mess with ndiswrapper
[04:56] <Lathiat> hrm was unrar-nonfree removed?
[05:23] <hub> Amaranth: centrino HAS free drivers
[05:23] <Lathiat> hub: "i hope... is the full centrino platform"
[05:23] <hub> ah
[05:23] <hub> misread
[05:23] <Lathiat> some people have like a centrino cpu
[05:23] <Lathiat> and throw a broadcom card in or whatever
[05:24] <hub> Lathiat: like my thinkpad
[05:24] <Amaranth> it's a pentium m cpu ;)
[05:24] <hub> an atheros shit
[05:24] <Amaranth> it won't be called a centrino solo/duo until the yonah comes out
[05:25] <Amaranth> hub: does it have a centrino sticker on it?
[05:26] <Amaranth> if it does i'd tell intel, they'll kick some ass
[05:35] <hub> it does not
[05:35] <hub> but the website advertised Intel Wireless
[05:55] <Mez> evening Amaranth, long time no speak
[05:55] <Mez> how do things go ?
[05:55] <Amaranth> eh
[05:55] <Amaranth> i'm stuck on OS X :P
[05:56] <Mez> LiveCD ?
[05:56] <Amaranth> broadcom
[05:56] <Mez> ah
[05:56] <Mez> ew
[05:56] <Mez> *huggles*
[05:56] <Mez> OSX isnt too bad though
[05:56] <Mez> hough the bling makes my eyes hurt
[05:56] <Amaranth> no, that's what i'm afraid of
[05:57] <Amaranth> if it's good enough, why switch back? :P
[05:57] <hub> Amaranth: there is a driver that almost work
[05:57] <hub> Amaranth: for the rest....
[05:57] <Amaranth> hub: I've tried it.
[05:57] <Amaranth> I mean, only on Ubuntu can I write little programs, get them into the distro, and have thousands of people worship me. :D
[05:57] <Amaranth> so that's a plus
[05:58] <Mez> Amaranth - I'm sur eyou can in debian too :D
[05:58] <Amaranth> debian is too slow
[05:58] <Amaranth> i need python 2.4, gnome 2.12, and pyxdg 0.15
[05:58] <Mez> hmm
[05:58] <Mez> smeg isnt in debian ?
[05:58] <Amaranth> they have none of these
[05:58] <Amaranth> an old version might be
[05:58] <Mez> Amaranth, none of it is
[05:58] <Amaranth> i guess it didn't make it
[05:59] <Amaranth> i'm about to drop alacarte and work on gnome-menu-editor though
[05:59] <crimsun> you need to run unstable/experimental, then
[05:59] <Mez> Amaranth: mind if I file an ITP for it - as I'm trying to become a DD - I want to get as many progs in as possible under my name :D
[05:59] <Mez> lol - and I hope to work with utnubu at some point :D
[05:59] <Amaranth> the pyxdg dev has gone missing
[06:00] <Mez> If I can find a contact for them
[06:00] <Amaranth> so either i take over working on it or i make gnome-menu-editor not suck
[06:00] <dereks_> SloMoSnail: ping
[06:00] <Lathiat> anyone know when 2.6.15 is slated for release?
[06:01] <Mez> Amaranth, which package is pyxdg in ?
[06:01] <Amaranth> python-xdg
[06:01] <Mez> ah - I was looking for pyxdg :D
[06:01] <dereks_> is anyone else having stability problems with banshee?
[06:01] <crimsun> banshee was a bit crashy last time I checked
[06:02] <dereks_> crimsun: yeah, crashes when i do anything :)
[06:02] <Mez> Amaranth, seb128 is the maintainer for pyxdg - he's around still  I saw him the other day
[06:02] <crimsun> wasn't /that/ crashy for me
[06:02] <dereks_> just making sure it wasn't me
[06:02] <Amaranth> Mez: I'm talking about upstream.
[06:02] <crimsun> seb is very much alive n' kickin'
[06:02] <Amaranth> Mez: seb128 just packages a new version when i poke him and tell him it's out :)
[06:02] <Mez> ah
[06:03] <Mez> Amaranth: python 2.4.1 is in stable
[06:03] <Amaranth> sure, but python still loads python 2.3, no?
[06:03] <Amaranth> and python-foo deps on python2.3-foo
[06:03] <Amaranth> or did they finally finish?
[06:04] <crimsun> no, they're still on 2.3
[06:04] <Amaranth> anyway, bzflag time
[07:00] <hub> about to upload wv 1.2.0
[07:00] <hub> because AbiWord use it
[08:24] <Yagisan> evening all
[08:24] <minghua> hello Yagisan
[08:26] <Yagisan> minghua: do you have an amd64 box ?
[08:26] <minghua> Yagisan: no, I am a poor student :-P
[08:27] <Yagisan> minghua: oh, I was looking for a volunteer to test http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1335
[08:27] <minghua> Yagisan: trying to find someone testing your hydration process?
[08:28] <Yagisan> minghua: I am severely limited in my bandwidth until around Jan 10, so I get try to get someone to suck down the final sources
[08:29] <Yagisan> minghua: Of my package changes
[08:29] <Yagisan> minghua: which then automagically integrate themselves into the source
[08:30] <Yagisan> minghua: look at the size of the diff on that package O:-)
[08:31] <minghua> Yagisan: is this hydration thing documented anywhere?
[08:33] <Yagisan> minghua: yep, very briefly in README.build of this package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1329
[08:34] <Yagisan> minghua: I went for the dehydration, rehydration metaphor - as I can ship a small package to someone with bandwidth
[08:34] <Yagisan> minghua: and it can bulk up to correct size, like some items do when you add water
[08:35] <minghua> Yagisan: yeah, I like that metaphor
[08:36] <Yagisan> minghua: I'm using it for proof of concept in getting some i386 only apps to run on amd64
[08:36] <Yagisan> minghua: At least until we have real multiarch
[08:36] <minghua> Yagisan: it seems that README.build file is truncated?
[08:37] <zakame> hello all :D
[08:37] <zakame> er do we now have hppa among the build daemons?
[08:37] <zakame> sparc even
[08:37] <Yagisan> minghua: more likely is I got distracted by the kids when typing and just shipped the package
[08:38] <crimsun> zakame: yes, and yes, but only i386, ppc, and amd64 are official
[08:38] <zakame> ah
[08:38] <zakame> crimsun: I saw them on the buildlogs for iterm, was a bit surprised :)
[08:38] <Yagisan> minghua: as I will make further uploads in future, I'll fix it then. First paragraph is all you need to do though
[08:39] <crimsun> i.e., if ftbfs on hppa and/or sparc, you'll just get a stare from lamont and/or fabbione
[08:39] <minghua> Yagisan: I think I more or less get the idea
[08:39] <zakame> ooh
[08:39] <zakame> is ia64 also not official?
[08:40] <zakame> (since that's what I usually see, plus the three above)
[08:40] <Yagisan> minghua: I got a rather creative version going for zsnes.
[08:40] <zakame> brb
[08:41] <Yagisan> minghua: I think you'd like my awful, but effective hack to the zsnes rules file
[08:43] <minghua> Yagisan: interesting, but can't say I like it
[08:47] <Yagisan> minghua: really ? get's it going though - and zsnes is something that just can't be ported
[08:48] <minghua> Yagisan: yeah, I am sure it works and I'm not against it.  I just generally don't like quick'n'dirty hacks
[08:58] <zakame> back
[08:58] <zakame> so ia64 isn't official right?
[08:59] <Lathiat> right
[08:59] <zakame> ah k
[08:59] <zakame> should close iterm then ;)
[09:00] <Lathiat> hrm how come when i add some devices to a raid1 array they dont get resynced
[09:19] <zakame> hm do we really need a pkgname change to libibtik -> libibtk0c2
[09:26] <ajmitch> evening
[09:27] <zakame> hi ajmitch :D happy new year
[09:28] <ajmitch> thanks
[09:28] <ajmitch> so what have I missed over the last week? :)
[09:29] <zakame> hm that we have just 4 unassigned merges to do? :)
[09:29] <zakame> (though there's some 200 more assigned)
[09:30] <ajmitch> 2 of those unassigned will probably be dropped
[09:30] <zakame> the kernel-di?
[09:30] <ajmitch> and I've got maybe 1/4 of the assigned merges to do in the next week
[09:30] <ajmitch> yes
[09:30] <zakame> ooh
[09:31] <zakame> hehe
[09:32] <ajmitch> ok, I've got to go & get some food, I'll talk in an hour or so :)
[09:32] <Yagisan> don't worry ajmitch, I'm sure they will find plenty for you to do.
[09:32] <zakame> go go go
[09:33] <zakame> OT: what would be a good http caching proxy to use? I see wwoffle, polipo, and squid among my apt-cache...
[09:34] <Yagisan> zakame: squid is popular, heaps of docs on it
[09:34] <minghua> squid is the standard one from what I heard
[09:35] <zakame> indeed squid is, but this is just for home ;) and one machine
[09:35] <Lathiat> bleh, mdadm if you try resize a raid1 to 1 disk whinges says thats unusual, use --force you use --force and it says invalid in grow mode :(
[09:35] <Lathiat> anyone seen that before?
[09:35] <zakame> waah
[09:37] <Yagisan> bbl
[09:37] <minghua> zakame: if just for building packages, maybe try apt-proxy?
[09:37] <zakame> minghua: not just that, though that's on my list too ;)
[09:38] <minghua> apt-proxy serves me well, so I don't need an http proxy :-)
[09:39] <zakame> rocking, I'll try that later :-)
[09:40] <zakame> I just got pdnsd + resolvconf working so I don't need to twiddle /etc/resolv.conf everytime I move to cafes
[10:09] <siretart> morning ajmitch
[10:10] <ajmitch> hey siretart!
[10:10] <ajmitch> good to see you
[10:10] <ajmitch> how have things been around here lately?
[10:11] <siretart> For me things have been rather quiet, because of the holidays and the fact that I will be skiing next week :)
[10:12] <ajmitch> oh wonderful :)
[10:12] <zakame> wb ajmitch
[10:12] <ajmitch> I've been completely away from computers for a week
[10:12] <siretart> but I finally managed to start NM, now I'm waiting for an AM
[10:12] <ajmitch> which has been good
[10:12] <ajmitch> yay!
[10:12] <siretart> huhu zakame
[10:13] <ajmitch> so in a year or two you might be a DD :)
[10:13] <ajmitch> current waits for AMs is 2+ months
[10:13] <ajmitch> unless something has changed in the last couple of weeks
[10:13] <siretart> the NM statistics say 160 days
[10:13] <zakame> siretart: w00t
[10:13] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:13] <ajmitch> so 5+ months just to get an AM
[10:14] <ajmitch> you got an advocate ok?
[10:14] <siretart> well, in that time, I will have to keep on looking for sponsors. not that much of a problem
[10:14] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:14] <siretart> yes, nobse advocated me
[10:14] <ajmitch> great
[10:14] <siretart> he usually sponsors me for debian uploads
[10:15] <siretart> huhu StevenK
[10:15] <StevenK> ajmitch: Ready to get stuck into Ubuntu work? All of the merging is basically done.
[10:16] <ajmitch> StevenK: 219 are assigned
[10:16] <ajmitch> and we've got a *lot* more to do after merges
[10:16] <StevenK> Can you go through it?
[10:16] <zakame> (well, at least until elmo does the sync ;)
[10:16] <siretart> does anyone have pointers why debian is still with python 2.3 as default?
[10:16] <ajmitch> I've also got main feature goals to hit
[10:16] <ajmitch> siretart: ask doko
[10:17] <ajmitch> it's waiting on his python-central stuff
[10:17] <ajmitch> which was deferred until around now
[10:17] <ajmitch> once that big change hits debian & ubuntu, the 2.3->2.4 delta will go away
[10:18] <Lathiat> python-central?
[10:18] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yep
[10:18] <ajmitch> Lathiat: btw hi ;)
[10:18] <Lathiat> what that? :)
[10:18] <Lathiat> ajmitch: hi :)
[10:18] <ajmitch> wiki.ubuntu.com/PythonRoadmap
[10:18] <siretart> that would take away a great deal of divergence we currently have
[10:20] <siretart> ah, so that is what he is waiting for.. I see
[10:21] <ajmitch> well, he's not waiting for it
[10:21] <ajmitch> he's doing it :)
[10:21] <zakame> hm for shlibs, is it ok just to have something like libXYZ (>= 1.4.0.b9) than libXYZ (>= 1.4) ?
[10:22] <ajmitch> zakame: I think so, check the man pages ;)
[10:23] <zakame> ok, thanks ajmitch :)
[10:23] <ajmitch> sad to see people flaming about nexenta on the devel list
[10:23] <zakame> 'coz I decided to push libmemcache to debian instead of universe :)
[10:24] <zakame> yeah, snr just got a bit higher :(
[10:38] <siretart> ajmitch: I find that other thread, about the fluedo plugin similar annoying..
[10:38] <ajmitch> certainly
[02:29] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[02:29] <Gloubiboulga> could any MOTU have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1315 ? Thanks :)
[02:39] <Hieronymus> Gloubiboulga: I'm not MOTU, but it might be nicer to have "Texmaker integrates..." instead of "It integrates..."
[02:41] <Hieronymus> Gloubiboulga: in the description
[02:41] <Gloubiboulga> Hieronymus, indeed
[02:41] <Riddell> Gloubiboulga: it's qt, why didn't you say so.  poke me for qt/kde stuff :)
[02:41] <Riddell> Gloubiboulga: clic -> click
[02:44] <Hieronymus> Gloubiboulga: the .desktop has an absolute path to the icon
[02:44] <Riddell> yes, that line should be "click and a "structure view" of the document for easier navigation."
[02:44] <Hieronymus> you want Icon=texmaker
[02:44] <Hieronymus> not Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/texmaker.xpm
[02:45] <Hieronymus> also, you must specify Version=0.9.4
[02:45] <Gloubiboulga> ok ok
[02:45] <Hieronymus> you can use desktop-file-validate :)
[02:47] <Riddell> Gloubiboulga: the icon should probably be PNG
[02:47] <siretart> Riddell: Say, why does the current amarok package have such strict builddeps on kdelibs?
[02:48] <Riddell> siretart: libstdc++ transition maybe?
[02:49] <siretart> and there is another annoying builddep on libtunepimp2-dev
[02:49] <Hieronymus> oh, and in debian/copyright, I think you should say that /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 is the GNU General Public License Version 2, not the GNU General Public License.
[02:49] <siretart> Riddell: if I make them unversioned, I can rebuild the package in breezy. it works here quite nicely
[02:49] <siretart> Riddell: I'm asking because if those versioned depends were dropped, I think it would be a candidate for breezy-backports
[02:50] <Riddell> kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5-rc2)  that will be the libstdc++ transition
[02:51] <Gloubiboulga> Hieronymus, Riddell  thanks
[02:52] <siretart> Riddell: what do you think, can we take them out? kde has already been transitioned
[02:52] <Riddell> siretart: yep, go ahead and change it if you want.  or I can do it
[02:53] <siretart> Riddell: ok, will do it
[02:53] <siretart> just a sek
[02:57] <Riddell> Gloubiboulga: since it's "gpl 2 or later" you can point to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL not /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[02:59] <Goshawk_> hi
[03:00] <Goshawk_> i've a litte repo, there i uploaded one package for amd64, now i want to build the one for x86, is there a way to accomplish this?
[03:01] <Goshawk_> i've also a x86 connected to the web (and so it can reach the repo)
[03:01] <Hieronymus> Goshawk_: you can run x86 on 64+ Athlons
[03:03] <Goshawk_> yep, but in this 64 i've just ubuntu 64
[03:03] <Goshawk_> breezy x86 is on another pc
[03:03] <Goshawk_> is there a command that et the source from my repo
[03:03] <Goshawk_> and compile it?
[03:03] <siretart> Riddell: I just fired up a new amarok with weakened build deps.
[03:03] <Goshawk_> then i'll dupload it
[03:03] <Goshawk_> and all will be well done
[03:05] <Riddell> Goshawk_: apt-get source foo
[03:05] <Riddell> or wget the source
[03:05] <Riddell> Goshawk_: you can use a 32bit chroot on amd64
[03:07] <Goshawk_> uhm... 32 bit chroot is a good solution
[03:08] <Goshawk_> is there a tutorial?
[03:08] <tseng> man debootstrap
[03:08] <Goshawk_> it will be like a toolchain (that is not good mainteined in ubuntu)
[03:09] <tseng> ...what?
[03:09] <Goshawk_> yep
[03:09] <Goshawk_> in breezy toolchain-source
[03:09] <Goshawk_> has binutils at 2.15
[03:09] <Goshawk_> and gcc-3.4
[03:10] <Goshawk_> while breezy has gcc-4.0
[03:10] <Goshawk_> and binutils 2.16
[03:10] <tseng> (what in the world are you talking about)
[03:10] <tseng> apt-get source gcc
[03:10] <Goshawk_> and people say that is not a good thing compile things with gcc-3.4 and mix them with gcc-4.0
[03:10] <tseng> gcc-4.0
[03:11] <Goshawk_> i'm talking about cross compiling with toolchain
[03:11] <Lathiat> neither was tseng?
[03:14] <Goshawk_> tseng, but after that i build a chroot with debootstrap should i compile all the libs or can i use apt-get?
[03:15] <tseng> i have no idea what you are on about at this point
[03:15] <tseng> if you make a 32 bit chroot with debootstrap, chroot to it, you can install things with apt and use them 32 bit
[03:15] <Goshawk_> ok.. you got me
[03:15] <tseng> 'linux32 chroot /chroot/breezy32'
[03:16] <tseng> should work pretty much as expected
[03:16] <Goshawk_> this seems the easiest way
[03:16] <tseng> until multilib, yet
[03:16] <tseng> *yes
[03:16] <Goshawk_> instead if i should compile for ppc i need a toolchain, isn't it?
[03:28] <siretart> Goshawk_: better avoid cross compiling, if you can
[03:28] <zakame> evening all :D
[03:28] <siretart> Goshawk_: debian packages are generally not expected to be crosscompiled. there are many pitfalls on the way
[03:29] <zakame> wow elmo's back :)
[03:29] <Goshawk_> siretart, i've just a amd64 laptop, and i need ppc package (in an early future)
[03:29] <siretart> Goshawk_: get a ppc
[03:30] <siretart> Goshawk_: or ask someone with a ppc to build your package
[03:30] <siretart> huhu zakame. yes, he answered our sync requests :)
[03:30] <Goshawk_> siretart, why not a toolchain with toolchain-source?
[03:30] <siretart> 15:28:32 < siretart> Goshawk_: debian packages are generally not expected to be crosscompiled. there are many pitfalls on the way
[03:31] <zakame> YAY!
[03:32] <Goshawk_> ok
[03:32] <siretart> Goshawk: if you really want to build them yourself, you could try to emulate a ppc with qemu or stuff
[03:32] <siretart> but I'd really rather avoid crosscompiling
[03:34] <Goshawk> yes, i did it for x86, it was too huge and slow...
[03:46] <zakame> wb JohnnyMast :) happy new year :)
[03:47] <JohnnyMast> now already?
[03:47] <zakame> JohnnyMast: well, just a little more than a day before ;)
[03:47] <JohnnyMast> :p
[03:47] <zakame> anyway, how are your merges going? :)
[03:47] <JohnnyMast> yeah :D ,thanks same for you
[03:48] <JohnnyMast> im in the UK atm with me girl soim not working on any
[03:48] <zakame> I see you still have a few going ;)
[03:48] <zakame> w00t
[03:48] <Yagisan> re
[03:48] <JohnnyMast> they are already fixed zakame
[03:48] <JohnnyMast> others uploaded a merge for me and sayed theywould fix it
[03:49] <JohnnyMast> atm i only have 1 open
[03:51] <zakame> JohnnyMast: kiki seems open, have you checked this?
[03:52] <JohnnyMast> that was one that was fixed by one other
[03:53] <JohnnyMast> i only have trimity open i think
[03:53] <JohnnyMast> yes it is
[03:53] <zakame> JohnnyMast: snake4 is still open
[03:54] <JohnnyMast> and fixed
[03:54] <zakame> and python-libgmail too
[03:54] <JohnnyMast> ow wait zakame ... all merges on my name are done execpt python-libgmail
[03:57] <zakame> JohnnyMast: er I don't think so :( snake4 definitely is untouched, it's still ivok's last merge from breezy in dapper
[03:58] <JohnnyMast> hmm
[03:58] <JohnnyMast> ile look in to it when im back the 7th
[03:59] <zakame> JohnnyMast: hula is open too as well
[03:59] <zakame> JohnnyMast: rock on then, just pinging you about those ;)
[04:00] <zakame> wt seems the MOTU list is grabbing addys for spam, I'm seeing dupe spam :(
[04:00] <zakame> even motu-reviewers too :(
[04:31] <Gloubiboulga> Riddell, I've just uploaded the new package (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1336)
[04:47] <Riddell> Gloubiboulga: there's no icon in the menu
[04:47] <Gloubiboulga> :/
[04:47] <Riddell> you need to cp /usr/share/pixmaps/texmaker*.png into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/apps/
[04:47] <Gloubiboulga> Ok, I do it now
[04:48] <Riddell> groovy
[05:03] <zakame> gn8
[05:14] <Yagisan> when is the cutoff date for new universe packages ?
[05:19] <siretart> Yagisan: with upstream version freezy, mid january
[05:29] <Kyral> Morning MOTU
[05:29] <psusi> morning
[05:29] <Kyral> I have a rather...interesting question
[05:30] <Mez> sup Kyral
[05:31] <Kyral> Are there facilities in Debian/Ubuntu for building RPMs/Slackpacks/eBuilds
[05:31] <Mez> Kyral - alien will work with rpms
[05:32] <Mez> not too sure bout slackpacks/ebuilds
[05:32] <Kyral> I mean not Alien
[05:32] <Mez> but i'm sure you can make them somehow :D
[05:32] <Kyral> I mean building them the right way
[05:32] <Mez> ah - you can probably get the tools and build them manually
[05:32] <Mez> but i dont know if theres anything available generally
[05:32] <Kyral> yah...
[05:32] <Kyral> okay thats what I thought
[05:32] <Mez> butn then i dont know what tools are used
[05:32] <Mez> not built any of those
[05:33] <Kyral> I'm adapting Ubuntu to our Linux Lab build
[05:33] <Kyral> and I figured if I included the Debian development tools, I should somehow provide for those
[05:34] <Mez> I'm sure you can get the dev tools for those
[05:34] <Mez> whether they'll work
[05:34] <Mez> why not just provide chroots to those OS's
[05:36] <Kyral> Adapt PBuilder?
[05:37] <Mez> no
[05:37] <Mez> just chroot :d
[05:38] <Kyral> well, also PBuilder so it would provide the same functionality to those formats
[05:39] <hub> Kyral: the thing is that distribution differ enought to not be compatible when it comes to package formats
[05:39] <Yagisan> Kyral: IIRC we do have rpm, but why do you need to build rpms etc ? Easier to do it in a chroot, and you'll match the right install libs too
[05:40] <Kyral> Yagisan: like I said this is for a Linux Lab. Not everyone there uses Ubuntu/Debian. So I thought that if I included the Debian tools, I should at least provide the tools for other formats
[05:40] <Kyral> besides, you gotta admit, if I pulled it off, it would be awesome
[05:49] <Kyral> well that wasnt supposed to happen
[06:12] <Gloubiboulga> Riddell, the package is uploaded: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1337
[06:19] <siretart> Mez: around?
[06:19] <Mez> siretart: yeah
[06:19] <Mez> sup ?
[06:20] <siretart> Mez: I think that amarok is ready for backport, I did it here on my laptop and it runs fine
[06:20] <siretart> Mez: I uploaded a new amarok earlier today which should build in breezy fine
[06:21] <Mez> siretart: I'll have a look at it in a mo - is it on the REVU server anywhere?
[06:22] <siretart> Mez: the backported version is on my laptop, the new amarok is in dapper
[06:23] <Mez> ah ok :D
[06:23] <Mez> fair enough
[06:24] <Kyral> gak...
[06:24] <Mez> 1.3.7-0ubuntu4 ?
[06:24] <Kyral> FreeNX is going unstable
[06:25] <siretart> yeah
[06:26] <Mez> cool
[06:26] <Mez> checking now
[06:26] <Mez> theres nothing that's going to break is there?
[06:26] <siretart> I didn't check that much
[06:27] <siretart> I'm having a pretty mixed breezy/dapper system here
[06:27] <Mez> no I mean like - API/ABI transisions :D
[06:27] <siretart> I just uploaded a new version that doesn't ftbfs in breezy
[06:28] <Mez> lol
[06:28] <Kyral> I think my connection is fubaring
[06:28] <Mez> I dont think it'll ftbfs
[06:28] <Mez> but will it install on breezy?
[06:29] <Mez> hmm
[06:29] <Mez> anyone here use breezy and want to try the .deb?
[06:30] <Mez> brb
[06:30] <Mez> reboot
[06:36] <Riddell> Kyral: where?
[06:36] <Kyral> Riddell: huh?
[06:39] <Riddell> Kyral: freenx
[06:40] <Kyral> What about it?
[06:41] <Riddell> Kyral: you said "FreeNX is going unstable", what does that mean?
[06:41] <Riddell> Gloubiboulga: looks good
[06:41] <Kyral> I meant my connection to it at that time :P
[06:42] <Kyral> but according to Seveas the latest version IS unstable
[06:42] <Riddell> Gloubiboulga: that's two advocates now, want me to upload?
[06:42] <Riddell> Kyral: ah, fooey, not that it's going into debian unstable
[06:42] <Kyral> lol
[06:43] <Riddell> you got my hopes up there
[06:43] <Kyral> The one in the Wiki works fine
[06:46] <Riddell> 17:42 < Riddell> Gloubiboulga: that's two advocates now, want me to upload?
[06:46] <Kyral> someone vote on EasyChem </not so subtle hint> ;P
[06:46] <Gloubiboulga> Riddell, sure :)
[06:47] <Gloubiboulga> my first uploaded package :D
[06:48] <Kyral> I thought the REVU day was supposed to clear out REVU lol
[06:50] <Riddell> revu is never cleared out
[06:50] <Kyral> meh
[06:51] <Kyral> normally I wouldn't be complainging, but its been more than a month since I made the effort to fix all the bugs that ajmitch and slomo noted :P
[06:52] <siretart> Kyral: which package?
[06:52] <Kyral> EasyChem
[06:52] <Riddell> Kyral: I've already noticed two more I'm afraid
[06:52] <Kyral> eh?
[06:52] <Kyral> bug?
[06:53] <Mez> Riddell:seeing as youre in here - is it ok wth you if i add a small patch to yakuake ? to get rid of the "notification" window i it's a restoredsession ?
[06:53] <Kyral> Don't say a thing about the patch system
[06:54] <Riddell> Kyral: two minor issues http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1257
[06:55] <Riddell> Mez: be my guest
[06:55] <Kyral> this is gonna be a trick uploading it
[06:55] <Riddell> Mez: any idea why whn I start yakuake it says "Uh oh.. can't write data.."
[06:55] <Riddell> Kyral: why?
[06:55] <Mez> Riddell : cheers :D I've sent to upstream but it's the one  thing i hate most about
[06:55] <Kyral> this desktop doesn't have internet access
[06:56] <Kyral> well, rather
[06:56] <Kyral> DNS doesn't work
[06:56] <Kyral> I'm talking to you via my Laptop with FreeNX :D
[06:56] <siretart> a french TODO.. interesting
[06:56] <Mez> Riddell, at a guess - it's trying to write it's config but you have strange chmod permissions
[06:57] <Kyral> so unless I can put the IP for REVU unto my dput.conf...
[06:57] <Riddell> Kyral: well I can change it, am compiling now, if I don't find any more problems I'll fix and upload
[06:57] <Kyral> NMU?
[06:57] <Riddell> ubuntu doesn't do NMU, since we don't have MU
[06:58] <Kyral> lol
[06:58] <Kyral> if I can I'd like this to be my first package in universe ;P
[06:58] <Mez> Kyral : titan2005@gmail.com
[06:58] <Mez> grr
[06:58] <Mez> Kyral Name:   tiber.tauware.de
[06:58] <Mez> Address: 69.60.114.100
[06:58] <Kyral> lol
[06:59] <Mez> dman klipper :D
[06:59] <Kyral> yah DNS doesn't resolve (for some reason) on my wireless
[07:00] <Kyral> So I'd put the IP in the fqdn field?
[07:00] <Mez> Ridell: surely in yakuake the autoconf stuff should be done before packaging ?
[07:01] <Riddell> Mez: that's the usual way, but it doesn't have to be that way
[07:01] <Mez> Riddell: mind if I change it ?
[07:01] <Riddell> Kyral: easychem seems good, want me to upload?
[07:01] <Kyral> yah if you would :D
[07:02] <Kyral> my first package to Universe
[07:02] <Riddell> Mez: actually isn't there a debian yakuake package now?  we should merge with that
[07:02] <Riddell> Kyral: you do reaslise this is me reviewing a gtk package.  it means when you're a MOTU you have to promise to revu all the KDE packages
[07:02] <Mez> Riddell: will do :D
[07:02] <Kyral> lol
[07:02] <Kyral> Yah
[07:03] <Kyral> I don't care about the whole fight between GTK/Qt
[07:03] <Kyral> Personally I use Fluxbox :D
[07:04] <Mez> Riddell: the md5sums on the orig.tar.gz dont match
[07:04] <Mez> yay
[07:04] <Kyral> and we have to see about me becoming MOTU first ;P
[07:06] <Riddell> Kyral: uploaded, see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1257
[07:07] <Riddell> Kyral: it needs to pass through NEW, keep an eye on dapper-changes for it appearing in the next few days
[07:07] <Riddell> Kyral: then make sure it builds properly, then apt-get it and make sure it all still works
[07:07] <Seveas> Riddell, hell will have to freeze over before NX will move into debian
[07:07] <Kyral> Riddell: I have a unique situation lol
[07:08] <Kyral> Evoluition is down somewhat
[07:08] <Seveas> the core is simply a modified xfree86 3.x server, which means duplicate code, duplicate bugs...
[07:08] <Kyral> so my filters are shot :P
[07:08] <Riddell> Kyral: use the archives I guess
[07:08] <Kyral> I'm AFRAID to open my GMail Account right now :P
[07:08] <Kyral> Considering all the MLs that go there
[07:08] <Riddell> Kyral: might be good to tell upstream and to file a wnpp at debian, not sure what the best practice is there
[07:09] <Kyral> wnpp?
[07:09] <tseng> work needed / please package
[07:09] <Riddell> debian's itend to package module on bugs.debian.org
[07:09] <Riddell> intend
[07:09] <Kyral> ah
[07:09] <Kyral> so I can't just hand it to Debian...
[07:09] <Kyral> I have to be more formal ;P
[07:09] <Riddell> saying "have package in ubuntu, please someone review and upload to debian"
[07:10] <Riddell> well that is how you hand it to debian, unless you know a friendly debian developer who'll do it for you
[07:10] <Kyral> It builds in Breezy BTW
[07:10] <Kyral> It was a joke ;P
[07:11] <Kyral> I should become more involved with Debian at somepoint
[07:11] <ajmitch> so should I
[07:11] <Kyral> roflmao
[07:11] <Riddell> Treenaks: coming to lugradio live?
[07:12] <Treenaks> Riddell: yeah
[07:12] <Kyral> oh EasyChem builds in Breezy. I got bored one day and ran it through my pbuilder
[07:12] <Kyral> ^Breezy
[07:12] <ajmitch> Kyral: I'd expect it would
[07:13] <Treenaks> Riddell: I'm going to describe the crack that's planned for dapper+1 (or, that's the plan ;))
[07:13] <Riddell> lets throw out apt!
[07:14] <Treenaks> Riddell: let's throw out ALL C++!
[07:14] <Treenaks> ;)
[07:15] <Kyral> Throw out Apt....*shudder*
[07:15] <Riddell> a python only operating system!
[07:15] <Kyral> Isn't that Portage...?
[07:15] <Treenaks> Riddell: written in self-hosted python
[07:15] <Kyral> but yah Python owns
[07:16] <tseng> where did unrar-nonfree go?
[07:16] <Riddell> do I archive in revu stuff I've uploaded immediatly or after it's done NEW and compiled?
[07:17] <Mez> Riddell, yes
[07:17] <Kyral> actually better question...why is a BitTorrent Tracker starting at boot in a fresh install?
[07:17] <Treenaks> Riddell: they can have rubuntu
[07:17] <Riddell> Kyral: you've been 0wned?
[07:17] <Riddell> Mez: whit?
[07:18] <tseng> bt starts for everyone in dapper
[07:18] <Kyral> Riddell: ...
[07:18] <Treenaks> uh..
[07:18] <Treenaks> WHY
[07:18] <tseng> because its a bug
[07:18] <Kyral> yah, I jumped to Dapper then the tracker was loading
[07:18] <tseng> bt is in the desktop seed
[07:18] <Kyral> Freaked me out
[07:18] <tseng> and no one disabled the initscript by default yet
[07:18] <Mez> do I archive in revu stuff I've uploaded immediatly or after it's done NEW and compiled?
[07:19] <tseng> actually its off
[07:19] <tseng> just the initscript is noisy
[07:19] <Kyral> wait...so its off, but still echos?
[07:19] <tseng> /etc/default/bittorrent
[07:19] <tseng> its off
[07:20] <tseng> (thats exactly what i just said)
[07:20] <Kyral> okay
[07:34] <Mez> Riddell, uploading yakuake 2.73-1ubunt1
[07:34] <Mez> u1 *
[07:34] <Mez> brb
[07:52] <bddebian> Heya your MOTUnesses..
[07:52] <Kyral> holy its bddebian
[07:52] <bddebian> Heh :-)
[07:53] <Riddell> Mez: uploaded to revu or dapper?
[07:53] <Mez> dapper
[07:53] <Mez> lol
[07:53] <Mez> though I think I may have cocked it slightly
[07:54] <Mez> yes i did
[07:54] <Mez> though no katie output
[07:54] <Riddell> no dapper-changes
[07:55] <Mez> yeah :D It should go through now :D
[07:55] <Mez> lol
[07:55] <Riddell> tsk
[07:56] <ajmitch> oh man, bddebian is here?
[07:56] <bddebian> Heh, yeah so watch out
[07:57] <Kyral> lol
[07:57] <Mez> watch out bddebian's about
[08:00] <Mez> Riddell, accepted
[08:00] <Mez> though - er ...
[08:00] <Mez> no katie output
[08:01] <Mez> which one did you choose bddebian ?
[08:02] <bddebian> Mez: ?
[08:02] <Mez> you was picking a nose
[08:02] <Mez> I assumed you were liek - at a plastic surgeons
[08:03] <Kyral> hmm
[08:03] <bddebian> Mez: Oh, hehe
[08:05] <Kyral> hmm
[08:06] <Kyral> if I installed pdnsd...woiuld I be able to use my laptop as a DNS proxy for my Desktop..
[08:30] <LaserJock> hi all!
[08:35] <Gloubiboulga> hi LaserJock
[08:36] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: I see texmaker got reviewed
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, yep, Riddell has just uploaded it :)
[08:41] <LaserJock> there will be a lot of TeX users happy about that
[08:42] <LaserJock> bbl
[08:46] <Mez> siretart: ping
[08:47] <siretart> Mez: pong
[08:48] <Mez> siretart: amarok is ok build wise - i've sent a test request to the mailing list as i've no way to test if it works atm
[08:48] <Mez> :D
[08:48] <Mez> once it's confirmed - i'll request it
[08:48] <Mez> but looking good so far
[08:49] <siretart> ok
[08:50] <Mez> siretart: also why is yakuake shpwing up in sistpoty's script
[08:50] <Mez> theres no MOM request for it
[08:51] <ajmitch> Mez: so you plan to be the MOTU/Utnubu person now? :)
[08:51] <Mez> ajmitch - i hope to work with the utnubu team in the future - yes
[08:51] <ajmitch>    yakuake |    2.7.3-1 |      unstable | source, i386, powerpc
[08:51] <ajmitch>    yakuake | 2.7.3-0ubuntu2 |        dapper | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[08:51] <siretart> Mez: nothing hinders you to talk to joachim ;)
[08:52] <Mez> ajmitch - yeah i know - i just synced but was looking to close the mom bug
[08:52] <siretart> some time ago, he was even in this channel
[08:52] <Mez> siretart, what was that referring to ?
[08:52] <Mez> ajmitch, good :D
[08:52] <ajmitch> except real life got in the way
[08:52] <siretart> Mez: working in/on utnubu
[08:52] <ajmitch> now I'm an unemployed bum, so it doesn't matter ;)
[08:52] <Mez> lol - ajmitch - i think utnubu is a great project - it just needs more... focus
[08:53] <siretart> it mainly need manpower
[08:53] <ajmitch> yep
[08:53] <ajmitch> people who can review the junk in ubuntu
[08:53] <ajmitch> since we still have plenty
[08:53] <ajmitch> (eg apt-get.org imports)
[08:53] <Mez> siretart/ajmitch :D totally agree :D hence why i plan to help
[08:53] <Mez> but - as I said
[08:53] <Mez> it's a long road
[08:53] <ajmitch> so help, don't just plan to help ;)
[08:54] <ajmitch> you don't need to be a DD to start
[08:54] <Mez> ajmitch: I know :D already got a package in waiting :D
[08:54] <Mez> lol - it's my package - but meh :D
[08:55] <Mez> taking it in baby steps so I can refine my packaging to be more ... debian-esque
[08:55] <ajmitch> I've got *lots* of free time now
[08:55] <Mez> talking of free time
[08:56] <Mez> I gotta go
[08:56] <Mez> work
[08:56] <ajmitch> bye
[08:56] <Mez> ajmitch, lemme know if you spot anything ba in that package
[08:57] <ajmitch> k
[08:59] <Mez> oh, and in response to \sh about me not being around - I've had problems at home - no net access - been homeless for a while - but I'm back now - so :P
[09:45] <siretart> hi womble
[09:45] <womble> Hi siretart
[09:45] <ajmitch> morning womble
[09:45] <ajmitch> you're up early :)
[09:45] <bddebian> Mez: Sorry to hear that
[09:45] <womble> Need to Get Things Done before it gets too damned hot
[09:46] <siretart> and also watching our lovely ubuntu-motu mailling list ;)
[09:46] <siretart> aah, you down unders.. here it is -8C ;)
[09:46] <bddebian> Doh..
[09:46] <ajmitch> siretart: thankfully -motu is a little easier to catch up on than -users
[09:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, you need to just do work
[09:46] <bddebian> Yeah, that too :-(
[09:47] <bddebian> I've been busy killing Germans for the last week or so.. ;-P
[09:47] <siretart> ajmitch: you are so right.. ;)
[09:48] <ajmitch> so do I
[09:48] <womble> My apologies for spamming u-motu@... <grin>
[09:48] <ajmitch> I don't mind :)
[09:48] <ajmitch> I like having something to read
[09:48] <bddebian> So I should try to fit some MOTUness in between finishing Call of Duty 2 and starting Dungeon Siege II? :-)
[09:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[09:49] <womble> bddebian: That's crazy talk
[09:49] <womble> Get back to gaming
[09:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: you should do MOTUness instead of finishing Call of Duty 2 and starting Dungeon Siege II
[09:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Too late, I finished Call of Duty 2 last night :)
[09:50] <siretart> womble: your post are very very welcome :)
[09:50] <womble> I wondered if it was good form doubling the daily post rate.  <grin>
[09:50] <ajmitch> haha
[09:51] <ajmitch> womble: so are you going to join the ranks of those who are DDs & MOTUs?
[09:52] <womble> ajmitch: In some way, certainly.  I'm not sure if what I want to do requires a MOTU badge, though.
[09:52] <ajmitch> what are you wanting to do?
[09:52] <womble> Steal Ubuntu's good ideas for Debian, of course.
[09:52] <ajmitch> now that I see your post on the mailing list, I can connect a name to a blog ;)
[09:52] <Treenaks> non-profit spies?
[09:53] <ajmitch> womble: a worthy goal
[09:53] <womble> Merge as much Ubuntu work back into Debian, mostly.  Both package code and useful infrastructure (like REVU)
[09:53] <ajmitch> womble: makes our job a lot easier ;)
[09:53] <womble> ajmitch: Ayup.
[09:53] <womble> And I despise divergence
[09:53] <ajmitch> certainly
[09:53] <ajmitch> I try & keep my packages identical in debian & ubuntu
[09:54] <ajmitch> I'd like to see the REVU ideas getting a wider audience
[09:55] <ajmitch> currently we're reworking it, and it'll use launchpad for authentication, which isn't ideal for debian
[09:57] <womble> It would be handy if you could think about making the REVU codebase flexible enough to handle other uses, but worst case it'll just get butchered or rewritten for Debian
[09:57] <womble> I'm aching to do an OSS Rails project -- it's all in-house stuff at work
[09:58] <ajmitch> sadly for you it's done with python :)
[09:58] <ajmitch> we'll try & make it as flexible as needed
  I hack plenty of python, too.
[09:59] <ajmitch> I still do enough debian work to want improvements there
[10:01] <womble> I figure any work I do to improve Ubuntu that isn't Ubuntu-specific is wasted effort -- I'd much rather apply it to it's true source (Debian, for the most part, as I don't have commit access to many upstreams) and then everybody benefits.  That's the main reason I haven't worked on Ubuntu stuff more heavily (that, and I suffer from lackoftimeitis)
[10:02] <ajmitch> while I like working on debian, I still see benefits in doing the work in ubuntu to get things in shape for a 6 month release cycle
[10:19] <ajmitch> 20MB orig.tar.gz takes awhile
[10:26] <siretart> wow. whats that?
[10:28] <ajmitch> phpgroupware
[10:28] <ajmitch> and debian needs binary uploads as well :)
[10:29] <siretart> ah, I see
[10:30] <ajmitch> I need to find a host with some decent bandwidth to upload from
[10:30] <ajmitch> since I'm not sure how long the timeout is
[10:30] <siretart> ajmitch: tiber? ;)
[10:36] <ajmitch> perhaps
[10:37] <ajmitch> depends if I can use a sid chroot there to build my package
[10:37] <ajmitch> where 'building' is mainly copying files around, being php
[10:38] <Gloubiboulga> good night
[10:40] <dereks_> how can i tell if a package was compiled with support for a certain component?
[10:41] <womble> dereks_: Check depends for libraries, etc for the component; check debian/rules in the source package for configure --with-* options
[10:42] <womble> Check build logs for the package to see if there's mention of enabling/disabling support; check changelog for historical mentions of switching on/off support
[10:42] <dereks_> womble: ok thanks
[10:42] <womble> nm or strings over the binaries... <grin>
[10:50] <siretart> ajmitch: where, there is a sid pbuilder
[10:50] <Kyral> Pbuilder hmm?
[10:52] <ajmitch> siretart: ok, might be useful then
[10:52] <ajmitch> pbuilder & debrsign might be enough for me :)
[10:52] <Kyral> You cannot create the Sid PBuilder directly
[10:52] <ajmitch> Kyral: excuse me?
[10:53] <Kyral> You cannot make a Sid PBuilder like you make a Sarge or Breezy Builder, if I recall correctly
[10:53] <ajmitch> you could the times that I've tried
[10:53] <Kyral> hmm
[10:53] <ajmitch> since that's the main purpose of it
[10:53] <siretart> Kyral: we have several wrappers for different tarbals on tiber
[10:53] <Kyral> like I said it was been a while
[10:54] <ajmitch> must have been
[10:54] <Kyral> maybe it was Etch that I had to upgrade
[10:54] <Kyral> sorry
[10:54] <siretart> ajmitch: but don't forget to call 'pbuilder-sid update' ;)
[10:54] <ajmitch> siretart: oh I know ;)
[10:55] <ajmitch> where oh where has my metacity configuration dialog gone to?
[10:55] <ajmitch> it's all very well telling people to use gconf-editor, but it's rather annoying
[10:55] <Kyral> gconf reminds me of the Windows Registry
[11:05] <siretart> yes, but I don't have a problem when it is implemented like gconf
[11:06] <psusi> why is that?
[11:08] <psusi> the registry has the advantage that changes are transaction logged, and you can set granular ACLs... not to mention it's significantly better in terms of disk space and access speed
[11:09] <siretart> the best registry i've seen so far is /sys.
[11:14] <psusi> that's not a registry at all... that's kernel runtime status