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| pkern | How's living on the bleeding edge currently? Is Dapper broken or at least barely usable? | 12:21 |
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| Burgwork | pkern, not bad | 12:24 |
| Pygi | pkern: rather barely usable, then completely broken :) | 12:25 |
| pkern | Hm. Why isn't linux-image-2.6.15-10-k7 installable. Was that uploaded today? | 12:29 |
| Burgwork | pkern, file a bug on it. this is not a support channel | 12:31 |
| pkern | Burgwork: Sorry. | 12:31 |
| tepsipakki | not built yet, i believe | 12:32 |
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| pkern | tepsipakki: Oki. The package lists are already updated, though. So linux-image-k7 refers to it. ;) I'll just wait. | 12:33 |
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| jdthood | Anyone have any clue as to why /proc/1/environ contains no PATH setting? | 12:50 |
| zul | environment variables? | 12:50 |
| mjr | because it hasn't inherited any? | 12:59 |
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| rob1 | does anyone know why the glade-gnome package is missing dependencies? | 01:05 |
| rob1 | in breezy | 01:05 |
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| dereks_ | who do i talk to about sbackup? | 01:20 |
| jdthood | zul, mjr: I think that the reason is that the init program in the initrd doesn't set PATH. | 01:20 |
| Burgwork | dereks_, sivang | 01:21 |
| dereks_ | Burgwork: thanks | 01:21 |
| dereks_ | sivang: ping | 01:22 |
| Burgwork | dereks_, he lives in Israel, so it is early early morning there | 01:23 |
| dereks_ | Burgwork: ok | 01:24 |
| dereks_ | thanks | 01:24 |
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| Bonzodog | Hi guys, anyone awake | 03:15 |
| Bonzodog | ? | 03:15 |
| Bonzodog | have a querie about 64 bit build | 03:15 |
| Bonzodog | was talking to devels in gnustep, and they have said that the sid64 tree has been altered to remove /lib32 | 03:16 |
| Bonzodog | so has that alteration made it into dapper? | 03:17 |
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| pef | hello | 08:27 |
| desrt | good morning | 08:27 |
| === Mez pokes desrt | ||
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| pef | mm flight-2 installer neither find my cd-rom nor my first hard drive, what should I provide in my bgu report ? dmesg output ? /var/log/syslog ? | 09:09 |
| Lathiat | pef: did it work in breezy or flight 1? | 09:09 |
| pef | Lathiat: yes, I installed breezy without problems | 09:10 |
| Lathiat | pef: if so please find the driver its missing then include relevant lspci output and see if a manual modprobe gets it goign to see if its a detection or driver support issue | 09:10 |
| pef | Lathiat: when I got prompt to enter drive path, I put /dev/hdfoo and it works | 09:10 |
| Lathiat | like the device comes up | 09:11 |
| Lathiat | flight2 just doesnt see it | 09:11 |
| Lathiat | ? | 09:11 |
| pef | after "uncompressing the kernel..." I got "hde: ERROR , PORTS ALREADY IN USE" | 09:12 |
| pef | Lathiat: yes | 09:12 |
| Lathiat | mm interesting | 09:12 |
| Lathiat | just include as much info then like lspci/dmesg and that info | 09:12 |
| Lathiat | also cat /proc/partitions | 09:12 |
| pef | should I have to test with flight 1 too ? | 09:13 |
| Lathiat | may be usefull to include relevant dmesg parts from flight1, tho i dunno | 09:14 |
| Lathiat | i'd file all above info | 09:14 |
| Lathiat | may get asked more? | 09:14 |
| pef | I will try with flight1 too | 09:16 |
| pef | Lathiat: I can send you dmesg right now, I had to download isos and this can get a few minutes :) | 09:18 |
| Lathiat | pef: dont bother sending it to me :) | 09:19 |
| Lathiat | i wouldnt be much good with it :P) | 09:19 |
| Lathiat | just file a bugzilla report? | 09:19 |
| pef | of course :) | 09:19 |
| pef | in dmesg output I have a "ide2: i/o ressource not free", arg | 09:20 |
| sivang | dereks_: pong | 09:34 |
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| sivang | dereks_: I think you already tried to ping me, please email me so we won't miss each other next time , I'm sivan __AT__ ubuntu DOT com | 09:43 |
| sivang | Burgwork: ping | 09:43 |
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| Mez | hmm - does anyone here use scott's signkey.pl? | 09:59 |
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| sivang | Mez: I use Kinnison's scripts. | 10:16 |
| Mez | sivang as long as you dont use dsilvers :D | 10:17 |
| Mez | lol | 10:17 |
| sivang | hehe | 10:17 |
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| sivang | Mez: well, I guess having him around me when I installed and configured them helped :) | 10:19 |
| Mez | lol | 10:20 |
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| pef | Lathiat: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21707 I hope I haven't missed something | 11:30 |
| Lathiat | pef: looks good | 11:32 |
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| thesaltydog | I can't find any clear documentation to help myself in understanding how "launchpad-integration" works on Help Menus... | 02:14 |
| tseng | sivang: ^ can you give him a hint? :) | 02:14 |
| thesaltydog | tseng, found. liblaunchpad-integration! | 02:21 |
| tseng | heh yes | 02:21 |
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| slomo_ | elmo: please sync pygame, meta-gnome2, gazpacho from debian/unstable, service-discovery-applet, gnome-user-share, ipod-sharp, libipoddevice from debian/experimental... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 02:45 |
| tseng | elmo: will lighttpd be pulled into ubuntu automatically? new in debian unstable | 02:46 |
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| Lathiat | gah locales is screwing up again | 03:28 |
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| BrianB04 | Heylo all | 03:49 |
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| fabbione | elmo: if you have time and you are working, network-console source is in main/Sources.gz, but the files are still in universe = FTBFS | 03:53 |
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| thesaltydog | Could anyone make an evaluation of baobab and bum for a possible inclusion in main? | 04:00 |
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| Bonzodog | Is there anyone here dealing with the 64 bit version of Dapper? | 04:06 |
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| sivang | TheMuso: hi, are you sorted with LPI ? | 05:20 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: My mmc card (appears as /dev/mmcblk0p1) doesn't appear to automount | 05:29 |
| Treenaks | why does it appear as that? | 05:30 |
| mjg59 | Because it's an mmc card | 05:31 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: my MMC cards show up as /dev/sd[a-z] | 05:31 |
| Treenaks | or is this a special controller? | 05:31 |
| Lathiat | depends on the driver i guezz | 05:31 |
| Bonzodog | i'm curious...anyone here running Dapper 64? | 05:32 |
| Treenaks | Bonzodog: I am, at work | 05:32 |
| Lathiat | not i | 05:32 |
| Bonzodog | doe sit have a /lib32 dir? | 05:32 |
| Treenaks | Bonzodog: I can't reach my work machine from here :) | 05:33 |
| Lathiat | Treenaks: heh i vpned my work machine to home over port 443 with openvpn :) | 05:33 |
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| Treenaks | Lathiat: oh I could do some tricks (it's running sshd, I can reach a server from which I can ssh to it) | 05:33 |
| Treenaks | but I can't be arsed :) | 05:33 |
| Lathiat | heh | 05:33 |
| Bonzodog | hrm..acording to a debian devel I spoke to the sid 64 lib setup has changed | 05:34 |
| Bonzodog | currently, breezy has 3 lib dirs | 05:34 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: That's because yours are appearing as usb mass storage | 05:34 |
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| Bonzodog | /usr/lib, /usr/lib32, /usr/lib64 | 05:34 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: yeah, and my crappy TI slots don't work | 05:35 |
| Bonzodog | but apparantley, the /lib32 dir is no longer in the sid tree, so debian now conforms to the standard | 05:35 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: Should do soon | 05:36 |
| mjg59 | (The SD/MMC, at least) | 05:36 |
| Bonzodog | all 32 bit libs go in /usr/lib | 05:36 |
| Bonzodog | and all 64 bit libs go in /usr/lib64 | 05:36 |
| jsgotangco | happy new year guys | 05:36 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: wow.. I was told it wouldn't be possible for the forseeable future | 05:36 |
| Bonzodog | but would it be possible to alter dapper like that at this stage? | 05:36 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: Hmm. Actually, that depends. As long as it's a *21 part rather than a *20 | 05:36 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: lspci will tell me? | 05:36 |
| mjg59 | Bonzodog: Ubuntu is working closely with Debian on making amd64 sane | 05:37 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: Yeah | 05:37 |
| Treenaks | 0000:02:06.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller | 05:37 |
| Bonzodog | yeah, cause I'm working on GNUStep development | 05:37 |
| Bonzodog | and ubuntu 64's current setup is causing big problems | 05:37 |
| mjg59 | Bonzodog: Mithrandir is probably the person to talk to about this, but he's still on holiday | 05:38 |
| Bonzodog | hrm..will ask again soon | 05:38 |
| Bonzodog | when he's back | 05:38 |
| \sh | moins gentlemen | 05:38 |
| mjg59 | Next week, probably | 05:38 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: hmm? | 05:38 |
| mjg59 | Oh, right | 05:39 |
| Bonzodog | look above | 05:39 |
| Bonzodog | dapper64; has it removed /lib32? | 05:39 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: no, not if you install ia32-libs. | 05:39 |
| Bonzodog | hrm | 05:40 |
| Bonzodog | see, that is causing probs trying to build sane gnustep appas | 05:40 |
| Bonzodog | in 64 bit | 05:40 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: why do you care about 32 bit stuff if you're on amd64 and working on gnustep? That's free software, so just use lib. | 05:40 |
| Bonzodog | beacuse there is quite a bit of work to be done in gnustep-core | 05:41 |
| Bonzodog | to make it 64 bit usable | 05:41 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: debian uses /emul/ia32-linux, iirc. | 05:41 |
| Bonzodog | so it still relies on seeing 32 bit libs in /usr/lib | 05:41 |
| mjg59 | Gnustep isn't 64-bit clean? | 05:41 |
| Bonzodog | not yet | 05:41 |
| mjg59 | That's, uhm, neat. | 05:42 |
| Bonzodog | it's being worked on | 05:42 |
| mjg59 | I don't think it's reasonable for software to assume that /usr/lib contains 32-bit libraries | 05:42 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: anyway, Debian has 64 bit stuff in /usr/lib on amd64. | 05:43 |
| mjg59 | It's untrue for several architectures | 05:43 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: why do you care where libraries are, btw? | 05:43 |
| Bonzodog | someone in gnustep I was talking to yesterday reckoned the sid tree had been changed to so that it met 'standards' | 05:44 |
| Bonzodog | where by there is only 2 lib dirs | 05:45 |
| Bonzodog | I need the lib dirs in the correct place to build the gnustep core | 05:45 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: there's no standard for what goes into which library directory, apart from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 containing the 32 bit dynamic linker and /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 being the 64 bit one. | 05:45 |
| Mithrandir | why? | 05:45 |
| Mithrandir | just use the dynamic linker. | 05:46 |
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| zul | hey BenC | 05:46 |
| Bonzodog | see, at current, /lib64 is symlink of /lib | 05:47 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: yes | 05:47 |
| Bonzodog | the thing is I need to run a script that automatically looks in lib for ia-32 bit libs | 05:47 |
| Bonzodog | I could alter the script | 05:48 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: again, why do you care? | 05:48 |
| Bonzodog | because gnustep core will not build | 05:48 |
| Mithrandir | fix the build rules to not care, then. | 05:48 |
| mjg59 | Bonzodog: If you're building a 32-bit application, the linker will automatically look in the right place | 05:49 |
| mjg59 | If the software is trying to be smarter than the linker, then the software is probably wrong | 05:49 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: note that libraries will start to move to another directory in not too long, so any fixes you do now will have to be redone later. | 05:50 |
| Bonzodog | thats what I want to know - is there going to be an alteration before dapper final in april? | 05:51 |
| mjg59 | Bonzodog: /Why/ does the build system want to know this? | 05:51 |
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| Bonzodog | hold on...gnustep is complicasted..it has it's own build tools | 05:52 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: it uses gcc, doesn't it? :-) | 05:52 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: yes, quite likely. | 05:52 |
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| Bonzodog | http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Installation_of_32bit_GNUstep_on_64bit_Linux | 05:55 |
| Bonzodog | there is a script you have to run there to install the core env | 05:56 |
| Bonzodog | it has it's own make tools | 05:56 |
| Bonzodog | for it's own apps | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | we don't support building random 32 bit applications on amd64. | 05:57 |
| Mithrandir | there's no development libraries, for, say, libX11. | 05:57 |
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| Bonzodog | so it won't be possible to install gnustep under ubuntu 64 at the moment | 06:00 |
| Bonzodog | ? | 06:00 |
| Bonzodog | I know there is a 64 bit version in the repos, but i'm not sure where it's come from | 06:00 |
| Mithrandir | from the source packages available alongside the .debs. I hope so, at least. ;-) | 06:01 |
| BenC | zul: hey | 06:01 |
| Mithrandir | sure, it's probably possibly to install it on ubuntu amd64, just not compile it there. | 06:01 |
| Bonzodog | because i would like to build a more recent version of gnustep from the nightly build | 06:03 |
| mjg59 | Bonzodog: I'm afraid the answer is probably "Fix Gnustep" | 06:04 |
| mjg59 | We've had Linux on 64-bit platforms (and with 64-bit libraries in /usr/lib...) for over 10 years | 06:04 |
| Bonzodog | yeah, theres a lot of work to be done on getting gnustep sorted for 64 bit | 06:05 |
| Bonzodog | unforunately, i'm not a coder | 06:05 |
| Bonzodog | just trying to build the env from current code | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | neither Debian nor Ubuntu provides the 32 bit libraries, so you might have more luck just using a 32 bit chroot. | 06:16 |
| Bonzodog | hrm... | 06:16 |
| Bonzodog | I have got the ia32 libs | 06:16 |
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| Mithrandir | yes, but that doesn't include the header files, etc. | 06:17 |
| Bonzodog | i have FF1.5 working using 'linux32' | 06:17 |
| Bonzodog | with flash | 06:18 |
| Bonzodog | but not in a chroot | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | I guess you didn't compile it yourself? | 06:20 |
| Bonzodog | no, it's the pre-built version off the site | 06:21 |
| Bonzodog | installed in a programs dir in my home dir | 06:21 |
| Bonzodog | RAOF on the forums came up with it | 06:21 |
| Bonzodog | as he runs 64 bit | 06:21 |
| Bonzodog | but it does work | 06:22 |
| Bonzodog | the only other alteration you have to make is to install a non-standard theme for FF1.5 | 06:22 |
| Bonzodog | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=90106 | 06:27 |
| Bonzodog | interesting way of doing it, but it works | 06:28 |
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| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: sure, that works, but we can't support random hacks people come up with. | 06:30 |
| Bonzodog | I know that | 06:30 |
| Mithrandir | Bonzodog: also, compiling and running programs are two different matters, you seem to want to compile gnustep, and the easiest way to do that is with a 32 bit chroot. | 06:31 |
| Bonzodog | it would be nice to see the devels in the forums a bit more often :) | 06:31 |
| Bonzodog | yeah, i know what you mena | 06:31 |
| Bonzodog | mean | 06:31 |
| Bonzodog | to compile will need a 32bit chroot | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | I can't spend my time browsing the forums, I'm far too busy already. | 06:32 |
| Bonzodog | hrm...best off seeing what kind of timeline we are looking at to get gnustep 64 bit compatible | 06:33 |
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| sistpoty | elmo: please sync log4cxx from unstable, ubuntu override ok, thx. | 07:15 |
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| Riddell | elmo: please move metabar to morgue, it's now included in konq-plugins | 07:35 |
| \sh | well..gentlemen...will see you all in 2006 :) now it's time to shutdown the pbuilders and I wish you all a happy new year 2006 :) have fun, party all the time :) | 07:43 |
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| Q-FUNK | who maintains ubuntu-sounds nowadays? | 07:56 |
| Q-FUNK | the current person listed as Maintainer is a non-existant user at canonical. e-mail bounced. | 07:57 |
| Mithrandir | Q-FUNK: unsure, infinity (adam conrad) was going to do something about it, but I guess you could just mail ubuntu-devel | 07:58 |
| Mithrandir | Q-FUNK: please do allow a couple of days for people to catch up on email after the holidays, though | 07:59 |
| Q-FUNK | Mithrandir: aye. that's standard procedure. nothing new there :) | 08:00 |
| sivang | \sh_away: happy new year Stephan | 08:00 |
| Q-FUNK | ah. awaiting moderation. | 08:01 |
| Q-FUNK | another question: | 08:02 |
| Q-FUNK | could someone please sync rus-ispell from unstable? ;) | 08:02 |
| sivang | Q-FUNK, Mithrandir : happy new year guys | 08:02 |
| sivang | Q-FUNK: you're a canonical employee ? | 08:02 |
| Q-FUNK | happy new year! | 08:02 |
| Q-FUNK | sivang: nope | 08:03 |
| Q-FUNK | would be nice if I were, though :) | 08:03 |
| sivang | thanks :) same goes to you guys. Mithrandir : have you and Simira planned anything for new year's ? | 08:03 |
| sivang | Q-FUNK: same here, or for all of us , hehe :) | 08:04 |
| Mithrandir | sivang: we're heading up to a friend of mine who lives up the street in two-ish hours. | 08:05 |
| Mithrandir | sivang: so a bit of partying, but none of us are really in the party modd tonight, so.. :-) | 08:05 |
| Q-FUNK | Mithrandir: why not? new year has no particular menaing in your neck of the wood or? | 08:06 |
| Mithrandir | Q-FUNK: it's a new year, but we're kinda tired of parties, having gone to such for the last week and a half or so | 08:07 |
| Q-FUNK | or already too exausted from the x-mas ones? oh... hehe :) | 08:07 |
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| Robot101 | Q-FUNK: new year has no particular meaning in any neck of the woods :P | 08:09 |
| Q-FUNK | ;) | 08:09 |
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| Q-FUNK | low and behold. it seems that cups-pdf might finally work with the low-priviledge cupsys of ubuntu. nice. | 08:13 |
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| mjg59 | What would be great would be if: | 09:10 |
| mjg59 | The service discovery applet knew which protocols you could handle by looking at installed applications, rather than having a bunch of checkboxes with opaque names | 09:10 |
| mjg59 | And if applications could register their ability to support protocols when installed | 09:10 |
| mjg59 | Lathiat: I'm looking at you | 09:11 |
| tseng | mjg59: rock on. | 09:11 |
| mjg59 | daf is just writing a plugin that adds a menu to Epiphany that lists local websites | 09:11 |
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| FireRabbit | mjg59, arent protocols part of the mime stuff? | 09:30 |
| FireRabbit | if so, the applet could use that | 09:30 |
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| psusi | woohoo! | 11:22 |
| psusi | I got hal/g-v-m/gvs to automount and unmount a packet write mode cdrw just by modifying the hal fdi policies | 11:23 |
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| Bonzodog | if a package you pull from the repos is 'NOT AUTHENTICATED' and the maintainer is listed as someone at debian, does that mean it doesn't actually have an ubuntu maintainer? | 11:41 |
| Bonzodog | i.e wmaker | 11:41 |
| Bonzodog | the packages work and install, buit they often require small hacks to get them working properly. | 11:43 |
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