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pkernHow's living on the bleeding edge currently? Is Dapper broken or at least barely usable?12:21
Burgworkpkern, not bad12:24
Pygipkern: rather barely usable, then completely broken :)12:25
pkernHm. Why isn't linux-image-2.6.15-10-k7 installable. Was that uploaded today?12:29
Burgworkpkern, file a bug on it. this is not a support channel12:31
pkernBurgwork: Sorry.12:31
tepsipakkinot built yet, i believe12:32
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pkerntepsipakki: Oki. The package lists are already updated, though. So linux-image-k7 refers to it. ;) I'll just wait.12:33
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jdthoodAnyone have any clue as to why /proc/1/environ contains no PATH setting?12:50
zulenvironment variables?12:50
mjrbecause it hasn't inherited any?12:59
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rob1does anyone know why the glade-gnome package is missing dependencies?01:05
rob1in breezy01:05
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dereks_who do i talk to about sbackup?01:20
jdthoodzul, mjr: I think that the reason is that the init program in the initrd doesn't set PATH.01:20
Burgworkdereks_, sivang 01:21
dereks_Burgwork: thanks01:21
dereks_sivang: ping01:22
Burgworkdereks_, he lives in Israel, so it is early early morning there01:23
dereks_Burgwork: ok 01:24
dereks_thanks01:24
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BonzodogHi guys, anyone awake03:15
Bonzodog?03:15
Bonzodoghave a querie about 64 bit build03:15
Bonzodogwas talking to devels in gnustep, and they have said that the sid64 tree has been altered to remove /lib3203:16
Bonzodogso has that alteration made it into dapper?03:17
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pefhello08:27
desrtgood morning08:27
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pefmm flight-2 installer neither find my cd-rom nor my first hard drive, what should I provide in my bgu report ? dmesg output ? /var/log/syslog ?09:09
Lathiatpef: did it work in breezy or flight 1?09:09
pefLathiat: yes, I installed breezy without problems09:10
Lathiatpef: if so please find the driver its missing then include relevant lspci output and see if a manual modprobe gets it goign to see if its a detection or driver support issue09:10
pefLathiat: when I got prompt to enter drive path, I put /dev/hdfoo and it works09:10
Lathiatlike the device comes up09:11
Lathiatflight2 just doesnt see it09:11
Lathiat?09:11
pefafter "uncompressing the kernel..." I got "hde: ERROR , PORTS ALREADY IN USE"09:12
pefLathiat: yes09:12
Lathiatmm interesting09:12
Lathiatjust include as much info then like lspci/dmesg and that info09:12
Lathiatalso cat /proc/partitions09:12
pefshould I have to test with flight 1 too ?09:13
Lathiatmay be usefull to include relevant dmesg parts from flight1, tho i dunno09:14
Lathiati'd file all above info09:14
Lathiatmay get asked more?09:14
pefI will try with flight1 too09:16
pefLathiat: I can send you dmesg right now, I had to download isos and this can get a few minutes :)09:18
Lathiatpef: dont bother sending it to me :)09:19
Lathiati wouldnt be much good with it :P)09:19
Lathiatjust file a bugzilla report?09:19
pefof course :)09:19
pefin dmesg output I have a "ide2: i/o ressource not free", arg09:20
sivangdereks_: pong09:34
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sivangdereks_: I think you already tried to ping me, please email me so we won't miss each other next time , I'm sivan __AT__ ubuntu DOT com09:43
sivangBurgwork: ping09:43
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Mezhmm - does anyone here use scott's signkey.pl?09:59
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sivangMez: I use Kinnison's scripts.10:16
Mezsivang as long as you dont use dsilvers :D10:17
Mezlol10:17
sivanghehe10:17
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sivangMez: well, I guess having him around me when I installed and configured them helped :)10:19
Mezlol10:20
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pefLathiat: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21707 I hope I haven't missed something11:30
Lathiatpef: looks good11:32
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thesaltydogI can't find any clear documentation to help myself in understanding how "launchpad-integration" works on Help Menus...02:14
tsengsivang: ^ can you give him a hint? :)02:14
thesaltydogtseng,  found. liblaunchpad-integration!02:21
tsengheh yes02:21
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slomo_elmo: please sync pygame, meta-gnome2, gazpacho from debian/unstable, service-discovery-applet, gnome-user-share, ipod-sharp, libipoddevice from debian/experimental... ubuntu changes can be dropped02:45
tsengelmo: will lighttpd be pulled into ubuntu automatically? new in debian unstable02:46
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Lathiatgah locales is screwing up again03:28
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BrianB04Heylo all03:49
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fabbioneelmo: if you have time and you are working, network-console source is in main/Sources.gz, but the files are still in universe = FTBFS03:53
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thesaltydogCould anyone  make an evaluation of baobab and bum for a possible inclusion in main?04:00
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BonzodogIs there anyone here dealing with the 64 bit version of Dapper?04:06
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sivangTheMuso: hi, are you sorted with LPI ?05:20
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mjg59pitti: My mmc card (appears as /dev/mmcblk0p1) doesn't appear to automount05:29
Treenakswhy does it appear as that?05:30
mjg59Because it's an mmc card05:31
Treenaksmjg59: my MMC cards show up as /dev/sd[a-z] 05:31
Treenaksor is this a special controller?05:31
Lathiatdepends on the driver i guezz05:31
Bonzodogi'm curious...anyone here running Dapper 64?05:32
TreenaksBonzodog: I am, at work05:32
Lathiatnot i05:32
Bonzodogdoe sit have a /lib32 dir?05:32
TreenaksBonzodog: I can't reach my work machine from here :)05:33
LathiatTreenaks: heh i vpned my work machine to home over port 443 with openvpn :)05:33
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TreenaksLathiat: oh I could do some tricks (it's running sshd, I can reach a server from which I can ssh to it)05:33
Treenaksbut I can't be arsed :)05:33
Lathiatheh05:33
Bonzodoghrm..acording to a debian devel I spoke to the sid 64 lib setup has changed05:34
Bonzodogcurrently, breezy has 3 lib dirs05:34
mjg59Treenaks: That's because yours are appearing as usb mass storage05:34
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Bonzodog/usr/lib, /usr/lib32, /usr/lib6405:34
Treenaksmjg59: yeah, and my crappy TI slots don't work05:35
Bonzodogbut apparantley, the /lib32 dir is no longer in the sid tree, so debian now conforms to the standard05:35
mjg59Treenaks: Should do soon05:36
mjg59(The SD/MMC, at least)05:36
Bonzodogall 32 bit libs go in /usr/lib05:36
Bonzodogand all 64 bit libs go in /usr/lib6405:36
jsgotangcohappy new year guys05:36
Treenaksmjg59: wow.. I was told it wouldn't be possible for the forseeable future05:36
Bonzodogbut would it be possible to alter dapper like that at this stage?05:36
mjg59Treenaks: Hmm. Actually, that depends. As long as it's a *21 part rather than a *2005:36
Treenaksmjg59: lspci will tell me?05:36
mjg59Bonzodog: Ubuntu is working closely with Debian on making amd64 sane05:37
mjg59Treenaks: Yeah05:37
Treenaks0000:02:06.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller05:37
Bonzodogyeah, cause I'm working on GNUStep development05:37
Bonzodogand ubuntu 64's current setup is causing big problems05:37
mjg59Bonzodog: Mithrandir is probably the person to talk to about this, but he's still on holiday05:38
Bonzodoghrm..will ask again soon05:38
Bonzodogwhen he's back05:38
\shmoins gentlemen05:38
mjg59Next week, probably05:38
MithrandirBonzodog: hmm?05:38
mjg59Oh, right05:39
Bonzodoglook above05:39
Bonzodogdapper64; has it removed /lib32?05:39
MithrandirBonzodog: no, not if you install ia32-libs.05:39
Bonzodoghrm05:40
Bonzodogsee, that is causing probs trying to build sane gnustep appas05:40
Bonzodogin 64 bit05:40
MithrandirBonzodog: why do you care about 32 bit stuff if you're on amd64 and working on gnustep?  That's free software, so just use lib.05:40
Bonzodogbeacuse there is quite a bit of work to be done in gnustep-core05:41
Bonzodogto make it 64 bit usable05:41
MithrandirBonzodog: debian uses /emul/ia32-linux, iirc.05:41
Bonzodogso it still relies on seeing 32 bit libs in /usr/lib05:41
mjg59Gnustep isn't 64-bit clean?05:41
Bonzodognot yet05:41
mjg59That's, uhm, neat.05:42
Bonzodogit's being worked on05:42
mjg59I don't think it's reasonable for software to assume that /usr/lib contains 32-bit libraries05:42
MithrandirBonzodog: anyway, Debian has 64 bit stuff in /usr/lib on amd64.05:43
mjg59It's untrue for several architectures05:43
MithrandirBonzodog: why do you care where libraries are, btw?05:43
Bonzodogsomeone in gnustep I was talking to yesterday reckoned the sid tree had been changed to so that it met 'standards'05:44
Bonzodogwhere by there is only 2 lib dirs05:45
BonzodogI need the lib dirs in the correct place to build the gnustep core05:45
MithrandirBonzodog: there's no standard for what goes into which library directory, apart from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 containing the 32 bit dynamic linker and /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 being the 64 bit one.05:45
Mithrandirwhy?05:45
Mithrandirjust use the dynamic linker.05:46
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zulhey BenC 05:46
Bonzodogsee, at current, /lib64 is symlink of /lib05:47
MithrandirBonzodog: yes05:47
Bonzodogthe thing is I need to run a script that automatically looks in lib for ia-32 bit libs05:47
BonzodogI could alter the script05:48
MithrandirBonzodog: again, why do you care?05:48
Bonzodogbecause gnustep core will not build05:48
Mithrandirfix the build rules to not care, then.05:48
mjg59Bonzodog: If you're building a 32-bit application, the linker will automatically look in the right place05:49
mjg59If the software is trying to be smarter than the linker, then the software is probably wrong05:49
MithrandirBonzodog: note that libraries will start to move to another directory in not too long, so any fixes you do now will have to be redone later.05:50
Bonzodogthats what I want to know - is there going to be an alteration before dapper final in april?05:51
mjg59Bonzodog: /Why/ does the build system want to know this?05:51
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Bonzodoghold on...gnustep is complicasted..it has it's own build tools05:52
MithrandirBonzodog: it uses gcc, doesn't it? :-)05:52
MithrandirBonzodog: yes, quite likely.05:52
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Bonzodoghttp://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Installation_of_32bit_GNUstep_on_64bit_Linux05:55
Bonzodogthere is a script you have to run there to install the core env05:56
Bonzodogit has it's own make tools05:56
Bonzodogfor it's own apps05:56
Mithrandirwe don't support building random 32 bit applications on amd64.05:57
Mithrandirthere's no development libraries, for, say, libX11.05:57
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Bonzodogso it won't be possible to install gnustep under ubuntu 64 at the moment06:00
Bonzodog?06:00
BonzodogI know there is a 64 bit version in the repos, but i'm not sure where it's come from06:00
Mithrandirfrom the source packages available alongside the .debs.  I hope so, at least. ;-)06:01
BenCzul: hey06:01
Mithrandirsure, it's probably possibly to install it on ubuntu amd64, just not compile it there.06:01
Bonzodogbecause i would like to build a more recent version of gnustep from the nightly build06:03
mjg59Bonzodog: I'm afraid the answer is probably "Fix Gnustep"06:04
mjg59We've had Linux on 64-bit platforms (and with 64-bit libraries in /usr/lib...) for over 10 years06:04
Bonzodogyeah, theres a lot of work to be done on getting gnustep sorted for 64 bit06:05
Bonzodogunforunately, i'm not a coder06:05
Bonzodogjust trying to build the env from current code06:06
Mithrandirneither Debian nor Ubuntu provides the 32 bit libraries, so you might have more luck just using a 32 bit chroot.06:16
Bonzodoghrm...06:16
BonzodogI have got the ia32 libs06:16
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Mithrandiryes, but that doesn't include the header files, etc.06:17
Bonzodogi have FF1.5 working using 'linux32' 06:17
Bonzodogwith flash06:18
Bonzodogbut not in a chroot06:18
MithrandirI guess you didn't compile it yourself?06:20
Bonzodogno, it's the pre-built version off the site06:21
Bonzodoginstalled in a programs dir in my home dir06:21
BonzodogRAOF on the forums came up with it06:21
Bonzodogas he runs 64 bit06:21
Bonzodogbut it does work06:22
Bonzodogthe only other alteration you have to make is to install a non-standard theme for FF1.506:22
Bonzodoghttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9010606:27
Bonzodoginteresting way of doing it, but it works06:28
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MithrandirBonzodog: sure, that works, but we can't support random hacks people come up with.06:30
BonzodogI know that06:30
MithrandirBonzodog: also, compiling and running programs are two different matters, you seem to want to compile gnustep, and the easiest way to do that is with a 32 bit chroot.06:31
Bonzodogit would be nice to see the devels in the forums a bit more often :)06:31
Bonzodogyeah, i know what you mena06:31
Bonzodogmean06:31
Bonzodogto compile will need a 32bit chroot06:32
MithrandirI can't spend my time browsing the forums, I'm far too busy already.06:32
Bonzodoghrm...best off seeing what kind of timeline we are looking at to get gnustep 64 bit compatible06:33
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sistpotyelmo: please sync log4cxx from unstable, ubuntu override ok, thx.07:15
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Riddellelmo: please move metabar to morgue, it's now included in konq-plugins07:35
\shwell..gentlemen...will see you all in 2006 :) now it's time to shutdown the pbuilders and I wish you all a happy new year 2006 :) have fun, party all the time :) 07:43
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Q-FUNKwho maintains ubuntu-sounds nowadays?07:56
Q-FUNKthe current person listed as Maintainer is a non-existant user at canonical.  e-mail bounced.07:57
MithrandirQ-FUNK: unsure, infinity (adam conrad) was going to do something about it, but I guess you could just mail ubuntu-devel07:58
MithrandirQ-FUNK: please do allow a couple of days for people to catch up on email after the holidays, though07:59
Q-FUNKMithrandir: aye.  that's standard procedure.  nothing new there :)08:00
sivang\sh_away: happy new year Stephan08:00
Q-FUNKah.  awaiting moderation.08:01
Q-FUNKanother question:08:02
Q-FUNKcould someone please sync rus-ispell from unstable?  ;)08:02
sivangQ-FUNK, Mithrandir : happy new year guys08:02
sivangQ-FUNK: you're a canonical employee ?08:02
Q-FUNKhappy new year!08:02
Q-FUNKsivang: nope08:03
Q-FUNKwould be nice if I were, though :)08:03
sivangthanks :) same goes to you guys. Mithrandir : have you and Simira planned anything for new year's ?08:03
sivangQ-FUNK: same here, or for all of us , hehe :)08:04
Mithrandirsivang: we're heading up to a friend of mine who lives up the street in two-ish hours.08:05
Mithrandirsivang: so a bit of partying, but none of us are really in the party modd tonight, so.. :-)08:05
Q-FUNKMithrandir: why not?  new year has no particular menaing in your neck of the wood or?08:06
MithrandirQ-FUNK: it's a new year, but we're kinda tired of parties, having gone to such for the last week and a half or so08:07
Q-FUNKor already too exausted from the x-mas ones?  oh... hehe :)08:07
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Robot101Q-FUNK: new year has no particular meaning in any neck of the woods :P08:09
Q-FUNK;)08:09
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Q-FUNKlow and behold.  it seems that cups-pdf might finally work with the low-priviledge cupsys of ubuntu.  nice.08:13
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mjg59What would be great would be if:09:10
mjg59The service discovery applet knew which protocols you could handle by looking at installed applications, rather than having a bunch of checkboxes with opaque names09:10
mjg59And if applications could register their ability to support protocols when installed09:10
mjg59Lathiat: I'm looking at you09:11
tsengmjg59: rock on.09:11
mjg59daf is just writing a plugin that adds a menu to Epiphany that lists local websites09:11
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FireRabbitmjg59, arent protocols part of the mime stuff?09:30
FireRabbitif so, the applet could use that09:30
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psusiwoohoo!11:22
psusiI got hal/g-v-m/gvs to automount and unmount a packet write mode cdrw just by modifying the hal fdi policies11:23
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Bonzodogif a package you pull from the repos is 'NOT AUTHENTICATED' and the maintainer is listed as someone at debian, does that mean it doesn't actually have an ubuntu maintainer?11:41
Bonzodogi.e wmaker11:41
Bonzodogthe packages work and install, buit they often require small hacks to get them working properly.11:43
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