[12:22] <tinsleyc> Mauricio, Good not to be alone.  Was starting to think there was something I was doing wrong.  Where did your install fail at?
[12:22] <mhz> at the 'Load installer components from CD' stage
[12:23] <mhz> I did try jus thiting enter (normal mode of install) and also 'expert mode'
[12:23] <mhz> they both failed
[12:23] <mhz> at the same point
[12:24] <tinsleyc> Insteresting, I am downloading the DVD version now, currently at 57%, see how that goes. I also have some other hardware I can test on.
[12:25] <tinsleyc> Probably, won't know anything for another 2 hours.
[12:30] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:32] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hola
[12:32] <mhz> tinsleyc: 
[12:32] <mhz> okis
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> hola mhz y feliz ao nuevo
[12:32] <mhz> happy new year to you and yur family too
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> I've got few questions about bootsplash
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> do you know something about?
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> mhz,  do you know something about?
[12:37] <Lord_Athur> 
[12:42] <mhz> Lord_Athur: nope, I have not started to play with my own metadistro yet
[12:42] <mhz> Lord_Athur: but shoot anyways
[12:43] <mhz> ;)
[12:43] <mhz> Lord_Athur: the best metadistro project I have tried so far, from the user-experience perspective, IMHO, is DSS Live
[12:44] <mhz> project based in Ubuntu
[12:44] <mhz> and oriented towards users who wish to make their own metadistro
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> ok
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> thanks mhz 
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> have you got the link to the distro official page?
[12:47] <tinsleyc> http://www.dsslive.org.test.ibiblio.org/mediawiki/index.php/Home
[12:48] <mhz> http://www.dsslive.org.test.ibiblio.org/mediawiki/index.php/Home
[12:48] <mhz> heheh
[12:48] <mhz> thx tinsleyc 
[12:48] <mhz> ;)
[12:48] <Lord_Athur> :D
[12:48] <Lord_Athur> thanks you two
[12:48] <mhz> np
[12:48] <mhz> Lord_Athur: but remember it is BASED on ubuntu
[12:49] <tinsleyc> current is on 5.10
[12:49] <mhz> it is not 100% ubuntu as it is using a diff aproach and diff structure
[12:49] <mhz> Lord_Athur: but once it is ready.. it will kick some butts!
[12:49] <mhz> ;d
[12:49] <mhz> ;p
[12:50] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:28] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:28] <Lord_Athur> maybe I asked it yesterday bur i continue with the question
[01:29] <Lord_Athur> I cannot mount a initrd file
[01:29] <Lord_Athur> the details are here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6471
[01:30] <Lord_Athur> nobody have been able to answer me in other channels....
[01:31] <Lord_Athur> nobody again????
[01:34] <Athur> do you see pitux....?
[01:34] <Athur> nobody with the answer
[01:35] <tinsleyc> I think mhz went to dinner
[01:35] <Athur> mmmm
[01:35] <Athur> maybe
[01:35] <Athur> but...
[01:36] <Athur> what can this be important to someone here?
[01:36] <Athur> jajaja
[01:36] <tinsleyc> did you check syslog and dmesg?
[01:37] <Athur> no
[01:37] <Athur> I have not do that yet
[01:37] <Athur> tinsleyc, 
[01:37] <Athur> how do i do that?
[01:40] <tinsleyc> both are in var/log.  You can cat or tail the logs.
[02:58] <deang> silly question, is Moodle pre-installed?    
[03:16] <Hentz-Brazil> hello 
[03:23] <tinsleyc> hell0
[03:24] <tinsleyc> Moodle is not installed in 5.10
[03:25] <tinsleyc> Note to mhz, if you are around.  I am begining to wonder how much testing the daily builds go through, even in the compilation of the dapper edubuntu builds.  The DVD is a coaster, md5sum was wrong even though it appeared I had a good download.  Do we want to open a discussion on this somewhere?
[03:44] <deang> thanks.   Are they adding links to the installed servers under the App's menu?
[03:44] <deang> Woops, -?.      Had to go spelunking for the SchoolTool port today.
[03:45] <deang> ..and GCompris rocks.  My 5 and 7 year old love it.   Please consider linking it under Education
[03:48] <tinsleyc> deang, what thread are we discussing here? If you didn't find the ports, check  ftp://ftp.schooltool.org/pub/schooltool/releases/nightly/
[03:51] <mhz_BBS> tinsleyc: i am sorry I just got back home and feel very tired
[03:52] <mhz> my guess is that the best we can do is send an email to edubunt-devel lists
[03:56] <tinsleyc> You have more insights into this but it appears to me that the daily builds need some testing before they posted.  I must have made 3 or 4 coasters over the last two days including the DVD, all pretty useless and I checked the md5's before burning.  The DVD didn't pass the md5 but the download looked good so I burned it in not wanting to spend another 2 to 3 hours downloading.
[03:57] <mhz> tinsleyc: I agree but without ogra knowing this, I dont think it will be better
[03:57] <mhz> tinsleyc: and you tried flight 2 before?
[03:57] <tinsleyc> Yes, Flight CD2 works fine.
[03:59] <tinsleyc> I went back to the first edubuntu CD that sort of installed but seem to hang during installing oo; did just a workstation install and it is hanging at 84% on oo as well.  Thought I might be able to get a good edubuntu base that I could then use apt get to make work including the edubuntu-server component.
[04:00] <mhz> tinsleyc: edubuntu breezy DOES not hang
[04:00] <mhz> it llloks like it
[04:00] <mhz> but it is installing
[04:00] <mhz> the LTSP envirnments
[04:01] <mhz> environment
[04:01] <tinsleyc> nope, everthing I have done with 5.10 Breezy has worked including the edubuntu full install with ltsp.
[04:01] <mhz> I bet it happens on the 50%
[04:01] <mhz> yup
[04:01] <mhz> ohm you are talking about the dapper 'previous' cd?
[04:02] <tinsleyc> on the 6.04 edubuntu install, the LTSP did hang at 50% but I just had it go past that point and then it hangs on the oo install/download from the mirror.
[04:04] <tinsleyc> I am talking about the "previous" CD, the one I got close on installing; the last two current daily builds dont' go at all.
[04:07] <mhz> ooh, okis
[04:07] <mhz> sorry
[04:07] <tinsleyc> np
[04:08] <tinsleyc> Do we have any idea as to the developement team for the daily builds for edubuntu dapper or how mightone become involved?
[04:09] <mhz> tinsleyc: afaik, we are Dapper dependant n 100%
[04:09] <tinsleyc> but dapper seems to work.
[04:10] <tinsleyc> we must be doing some remastering to incorporate the edubuntu implementation.
[04:11] <tinsleyc> For now, I am going let the installation sit on the oo piece and see if it ever finishes.
[04:11] <mhz> hehehe
[04:12] <tinsleyc> It is doing something as my router does show internet traffic resulting from that box.
[04:22] <tinsley_away> Oh, Athur was on early, I was sending a message to him about the location of the syslog and dmesg logs and he left abrubtly, not to return.
[04:52] <tinsley_away> mhz ... oops. when I downloaded the dvd, it was over 2 GB and Firefox seems to fail frequently on files over 2 GB.  Using wget to fetch the DVD.  Will get back to you tomorrow night (I work tomorrow day, Idaho time).  In the meantime, if you happen to visit with ogra, pass along our comments here, as well as doing some testing of the builds.  Clint
[04:52] <crimsun> mauricio left.
[04:52] <tinsley_away> yea, that seems to happen alot lately, just as I am writing.
[04:53] <tinsley_away> thanks.
[04:53] <tinsley_away> good night all
[02:08] <mhz> Happy new year!
[02:08] <mhz> (Moinday, in Chile)
[02:08] <mhz> duh!
[02:08] <mhz> Monday not Moin day :D
[02:09] <mhz> ogra: hey good day
[02:09] <lucasvo> hi mhz 
[02:09] <mhz> hi lucasvo 
[02:09] <mhz> were you good at NY'E 
[02:09] <mhz> ?
[02:10] <lucasvo> yeah, did nothing special...
[02:10] <lucasvo> you?
[02:10] <mhz> me neither, I am quiet kind of guy
[02:10] <mhz> dinner, movie, sleep
[02:11] <lucasvo> mhz: not thinking about ubuntu any more?
[02:11] <mhz> hehehe
[02:11] <mhz> why?
[02:11] <mhz> what is ubuntu?
[02:11] <mhz> :D
[02:12] <lucasvo> I mean the commercial side of canonical?
[02:13] <mhz> lucasvo: oh yes, I am but if I dont get some money soon (real soon), the first service I know my wife will cut is internet
[02:13] <mhz> then phone
[02:13] <mhz> (the 2 services I care more about)
[02:13] <lucasvo> :D
[02:13] <mhz> and I will have to start selling this laptop
[02:13] <mhz> :)
[02:13] <lucasvo> mhz: so what will you do ?
[02:15] <mhz> well, I have finished a short summary about Edubuntu for Junior 'school's' Teachers
[02:16] <mhz> and I am starting another doc for Primary school teacher now
[02:16] <mhz> Those docs are intended for promoting Edubuntu in Schools
[02:16] <mhz> Teachers are ending the school year in 1 or two weeks
[02:17] <mhz> and I hope I can deliver this to some of them to at least get their attenttion and offer non-expensive training courses in GnuLinux
[02:18] <mhz> also, on Thursday, I am meeting a very important guy of a company realted to education
[02:19] <mhz> and I am making a list of potential people who may/should be interested in helping me with funds
[02:19] <lucasvo> cool
[02:19] <mhz> lucasvo: so, I am not giving up easily, nor letting myself die just like that... still alive and kicking
[02:19] <mhz> ;)
[02:27] <mhz> Anyone here testing daily images?
[02:32] <tinsleyc> Mauricio, I just sent you a note on gmail regarding where I am at after our conversations on this yesterday.  Have to run off to the office out the door.  IRC is blocked there (corporate firewall over which I have no control) so right now I can't be here during the work day.
[02:33] <mhz> tinsleyc: cool! thx, man,
[02:34] <tinsleyc> catch you later!
[02:35] <tinsleyc> I will also be checking my gmail at the office.
[02:35] <mhz> bye tinsleyc (/me reading emails)
[02:35] <tinsleyc> Bys
[03:10] <lucasvo> mhz: do you know the webpage with free music?
[03:10] <lucasvo> I mean opensource music?
[03:10] <mhz> lucasvo: nope, unfortuantelly
[03:11] <lucasvo> mhz: magnatunes.org
[03:11] <lucasvo> something like that
[03:14] <mhz> lucasvo: http://www.vorbis.com/music/
[03:14] <lucasvo> hi ogra 
[03:15] <mhz> lucasvo: http://www.osmonline.com/  :(
[03:15] <mhz> nice looking flash :(
[03:16] <lucasvo> flash :D
[03:16] <lucasvo> too bad that it isn't opensource
[03:16] <lucasvo> :(
[03:17] <lucasvo> did some people try to do reverse engineering?
[03:19] <mhz> IIRC there have been attemtps but no idea about current state
[03:22] <mhz> (o MB)
[03:22] <mhz> :)
[04:26] <kjcole> ping ogra
[04:36] <mhz> kjcole: happy new year!
[04:36] <kjcole> Hi!  I'm already breaking resolutions for the new year. ;-)
[04:37] <mhz> ogra: I have read the troubles 'report' you pointed, and the only 'edubuntu matches' firefox finds is about powerpc: Binaries from edubuntu-meta 0.40 cannot be installed:
[04:37] <mhz>     * edubuntu-desktop(powerpc) 
[04:37] <mhz> kjcole: what you mean?
[04:39] <kjcole> mhz, Possibly an American thing (I'm a cultural illiterate.): New Years resolutions are popular and often well advertised promises one makes to change for the better in the new year.
[04:39] <mhz> heheheheh
[04:40] <ogra> kjcole, pong
[04:40] <mhz> kjcole: so you are actually hacking a cultural thing?
[04:40] <kjcole> mhz, e.g. I promise to exercise more and eat less.  I promise to be more diligent about reading Debian packaging guides... ;-)
[04:40] <mhz> lol
[04:40] <kjcole> ogra,Hi and happy new year.  Quick question before I file a bug:
[04:41] <ogra> shoot
[04:42] <kjcole> ogra: (I wasn't sure where to search for existing reports).  Edubuntu: I have an edubuntu box that I've dist-upgraded to dapper.
[04:42] <ogra> ugh
[04:42] <ogra> never use *dist-*upgrade for development systems 
[04:42] <kjcole> ogra: I notice that the kig (geometry) package depends on libboost-python1.33.0c2a, which in turn depends on python-2.3)
[04:43] <ogra> only use upgrade and cherrypick the held back packages
[04:43] <kjcole> Apparently that's the ONLY thing in the in Edubuntu that depends on python 2.3...  Was wondering if it was possible to change that to 2.4 like everybody else in Edubuntu.
[04:44] <ogra> libboost-python1.33.0
[04:44] <ogra> no c2a at the end over here
[04:45] <ogra> seems all right to me ...
[04:46] <ogra> powerpc is the same ...
[04:46] <kjcole> ogra: Hmmm... I haven't checked in the past 24 hours, but yesterday it was +c2a.  So does the version without c2a not depend on python 2.3?
[04:46] <ogra> must be a problem on your side ...
[04:47] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ LANG=C apt-cache depends libboost-python1.33.0|grep python
[04:47] <ogra> libboost-python1.33.0
[04:47] <ogra>   Depends: python2.4
[04:47] <kjcole> ogra: Then as I suspected, I'd be embarrassing myself by reporting a bug.  ;-) Glad I checked first.  Thanks.
[04:48] <ogra> libboost-python1.33.0c2a shouldnt be existent anymore ... thats the bug 
[04:48] <ogra> but kdeedu was recompiled a month ago with this fix, i wonder why you got kig depending on this obsolete lib ...
[04:49] <ogra> do you have anything ales than ubuntu dapper repos in your sources.list ? 
[04:49] <ogra> *else
[04:51] <kjcole> Well, as I say, it's a pretty bastardized system I'm playing around on. And yes: I point to jbailey's bzr repository, and a repository for BOINC (SETI @ Home).  I THINK those are the only two non-Dapper repositories I've got.
[04:51] <ogra> hmm, i know for sure that jbailey doesnt offer kdeedu stuff :)
[04:54] <kjcole> ogra: I just checked.  On *THIS* machine, I'm not even using the BOINC stuff.  But I have two repositories pointing to bzr related stuff.  Jbailey's and
[04:56] <kjcole> Oops: 3.  ~jbailey, ~scott, and bazaar.canonical.com  (I added them following instructions I found a while back at:
[04:56] <kjcole> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RocketFuelSetup
[06:47] <mhz_launch> SSH Question: How can I scp stuff into a machine inside a local network env. ?
[06:48] <mhz> .oO(dapper download is 452 MB now)
[06:49] <tclong> anyone know how I can get my son's pc games to play in edubuntu. I've tried VMWare, but it won't allow me to create a new vm from the HP recovery CDs (grrrrr!)
[06:49] <juliux> tclong, have you teste cedega?
[06:49] <tclong> nope.
[06:50] <tclong> googling....
[06:50] <ogra_ibook> oh, have you just been 50% proprietary ?
[06:50] <ogra_ibook> only the pad was missing :) 
[06:51] <ogra_ibook> re SSH, you cant if you dont have access from the outide ...
[06:51] <ogra_ibook> you can try cedega or wine, but dont ask me anything about it :)
[06:52] <mhz> ogra: hehehe do you know another way to summarize Free as In Freedom Software ?
[06:53] <mhz> FAIFS
[06:53] <mhz> ;)
[06:54] <mhz> ogra: SSH/ today I can ssh to the server but I dont understand how to ssh to the workstations inside that env.?
[06:54] <mhz> yes, I can scp to the server and then to a station, but that is not ideal
[06:56] <mhz> ogra_ibook: ?
[06:56] <ogra_ibook> the same way ? 
[06:57] <ogra_ibook> i mean, cant you ssh into the workstations the same way you do it to the server ? 
[06:59] <mhz> ogra_ibook: I can do ssh user@server
[06:59] <mhz> but how do i do ssh user@server:workstation?
[07:00] <mhz> having workstation non-public IP
[07:03] <ogra_ibook> you cant 
[07:03] <ogra_ibook> you could do port forwarding, have a look at a firewall howto, but beware, if you make a mistake you might open your LAN to the world
[07:04] <ellfaz> lol
[07:05] <mhz> ogra: indeed
[07:06] <mhz> i prefer to stay quiet then and scp to server and from there to local
[07:06] <mhz> ;)
[07:08] <ellfaz> so what exactly does edubuntu do thats different than ubuntu
[07:08] <ellfaz> coz i have both ISOs here
[07:09] <mhz> ellfaz: mainly
[07:10] <ogra_ibook> ellfaz, edubuntu installs educational apps, sets up a ltsp server, a schooltool server and a postgreasql database server as preparation for moodle
[07:10] <mhz> edubuntu = ubuntu + LTSP + educational apps.
[07:10] <ellfaz> i dont have internet on my Linux Machince
[07:10] <ogra_ibook> additionally there is different artwork
[07:10] <ellfaz> i just want to look at the educational apps mainly
[07:10] <mhz> ellfaz: so you can choose to install worksations
[07:10] <mhz> -s
[07:11] <ellfaz> i pick the workstation install then
[07:11] <ellfaz> i was wondering which 1 to do
[07:11] <ellfaz> i used to have moodle on this comp
[07:11] <ellfaz> then i reinstalled
[07:12] <ellfaz> it was on MySQL tho
[07:12] <ogra_ibook> yup, sounds to be perfect for your needs
[07:12] <ellfaz> so when i burn the edubuntu ISO, i pick the workstation install method
[07:13] <ogra_ibook> yup
[07:13] <ellfaz> kool
[07:13] <ellfaz> bs
[07:13] <ellfaz> *bbs
[07:32] <mhz> good luck
[08:40] <juliux> ogra, at first happy new year, and at next a question, should a hp compaq t20 work with edubuntu ?
[08:40] <ogra_ibook> i guess so, dont have one to test :)
[08:40] <juliux> ogra_ibook, ok, i think i will buy 3 for 75 at ebay
[08:41] <ogra_ibook> nice
[08:41] <juliux> and if it donnt work i will send it back
[08:41] <ogra_ibook> yup
[09:56] <Baby> hi :)