[12:03] <Tm_T> allright, good night and keep up the good work :) ->
[12:21] <Riddell> sealne: how's the wheelchair accessibility at strathclyde?
[12:24] <sealne> didn't i mention that? fully accessable
[12:25] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, added a build-dep and now it builds fine. Should I put myself in as the maintainer for kicks and giggles?
[12:25] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: can do
[12:52] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1354
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[01:28] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: it needs a .orig
[01:28] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: also remove CVS directories from the .orig
[01:32] <seth_k|lappy> okay, wasn't sure if I should so as to stick close to upstream
[01:32] <seth_k|lappy> will do now and reupload in a sec
[01:32] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: hang on, few other comments
[01:32] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1354
[01:33] <seth_k|lappy> alright, thanks :)
[01:34] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, so you want a non-native package? .orig and diff?
[01:35] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: yes, non-native
[01:35] <Riddell> it might be native to him but it isn't to us
[01:35] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1354  another comment
[01:36] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: but you can keep the debian directory in the .orig or .diff whichever you perfer
[01:36] <Riddell> assuming the original source has a debian/ directory
[01:36] <seth_k|lappy> it does
[01:36] <seth_k|lappy> if I'm going to maintain it though, I'd just as soon break it out now
[01:36] <seth_k|lappy> so I'll re-do with .orig and diff and have it up in a sec
[01:37] <Riddell> groovy
[01:37] <seth_k|lappy> I think I'll go ahead and make it -0 as well; he's making a native package with Debian revision numbers, that's kinda an oxymoron
[01:38] <Riddell> yes, well noticed
[01:41] <Riddell> going out for a jog, will revu when I get back if it's uploaded
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[01:56] <raphink> happy new year seth_k|lappy 
[01:56] <seth_k|lappy> you too, raphink :)
[01:56] <seth_k|lappy> do you have any resolutions ;)
[01:56] <raphink> hmm
[01:57] <raphink> find a job
[01:57] <raphink> :s
[01:57] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[01:57] <raphink> and it's not that easy 
[01:57] <raphink> to try to find what I could do
[01:57] <raphink> ;)
[01:57] <raphink> not that I have no skill
[01:57] <raphink> but I don't want to do any job
[01:57] <raphink> ;)
[01:57] <raphink> lately i'm thinking if I could work a linux teacher
[01:57] <raphink> like teaching the basic use of linux systems in companies
[01:58] <raphink> what kind of level/skills do you think that requires?
[01:58] <seth_k|lappy> better communication skills than Linux skills
[01:58] <raphink> mhm
[01:58] <raphink> well I've focused on pedagogy lately
[01:58] <raphink> and i'm aiming to create a new method to teach computer sciences
[01:59] <raphink> using what I have learned in pedagagy
[01:59] <raphink> pedagogy
[01:59] <raphink> that was not, as far as I know, used for computer sciences so far
[01:59] <raphink> so let's say I've got the communication and teaching skills
[01:59] <raphink> I'm more wondering about the linux skills ;)
[02:01] <raphink> what do you think seth_k|lappy ?
[02:02] <seth_k|lappy> I think that you don't need very advanced Linux skills to teach the basics found in a workplace
[02:02] <seth_k|lappy> word processing, faxing, printing, e-mail
[02:02] <raphink> I'm aiming to teach more
[02:03] <raphink> although that all depends what they want me to teach, of course
[02:03] <raphink> but I'd like to go as far as understanding the file system 
[02:03] <raphink> and the relation between it and partitions
[02:03] <raphink> and stuff like that
[02:04] <seth_k|lappy> whew
[02:04] <raphink> and I want to work on a new way to teach these concepts
[02:04] <raphink> I've begun to work on it today
[02:05] <raphink> focusing on the filesystem and partitions so far
[02:05] <raphink> but I hope to go deeper into other stuff
[02:05] <raphink> network and so on
[02:07] <raphink> seth_k|lappy: i've done that today : http://r.pinson.free.fr/travail/systeme_fichier.jpg
[02:07] <raphink> it's just a mockup
[02:07] <raphink> and I'm not very happy with it
[02:07] <raphink> I got to the point that their are actually two concepts that are often confused
[02:08] <raphink> the hard drive, divised in partitions, which is a rather spacial concept
[02:08] <raphink> and the filesystem, on which partitions are mounted, which is a rather temporal concept, since you go from a dir to another to browse it
[02:12] <raphink> anyway
[02:12] <raphink> ;)
[02:47] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, all done when you get back
[02:50] <raphink> brave workers around :)
[02:50] <raphink> making dapper a more exciting perspective everyday :)
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[03:01] <Riddell> raphink: read the FHS to learn about the filesystem
[03:01] <raphink> FHS?
[03:01] <raphink> Riddell: actually I most want to teach it
[03:01] <Riddell> file heirarchy standard
[03:02] <raphink> find a way to teach the concept to noobs in companies
[03:02] <Riddell> mm, yes, it's not always easy
[03:02] <raphink> yes
[03:02] <raphink> that's why I want to apply my knowledge in pedagogy
[03:03] <raphink> and try to understand as best as possible the concept of filesystem
[03:03] <raphink> to focus on the concept 
[03:03] <Riddell> it really annoyed me how they added /srv recently, you'd thing they would understand that 3 letter abbreviations are not a good idea
[03:03] <raphink> hehe
[03:03] <raphink> what is /srv for?
[03:04] <Riddell> server files, i.e. what apache or ftp server gives out
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[03:04] <raphink> hehe
[03:04] <raphink> I study an innovative pedagogy
[03:05] <raphink> which is yet almost only taught in French speaking countries
[03:05] <raphink> because it's hard to translate (if possible)
[03:06] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1357  1 issue still
[03:06] <seth_k|lappy> bah :)
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[03:06] <Riddell> also I've no idea what the debiandirs file is for
[03:07] <seth_k|lappy> hum, Riddell, he had it under version 1 methinks
[03:07] <seth_k|lappy> not version 2
[03:07] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: could you add the homepage to the description in debian/control while we're being perfectionists :)
[03:07] <seth_k|lappy> sure thing :)
[03:07] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: everything I've seen says version 2
[03:07] <Riddell> I've never seen anything that uses GPL 1
[03:07] <seth_k|lappy> alrighty
[03:07] <raphink> Riddell: could you advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1310 again please?
[03:07] <Riddell> raphink: what's changed?
[03:08] <raphink> GPL-2 is from 1991 or so I think
[03:08] <raphink> so hardly any program is under -1
[03:08] <raphink> not much Riddell 
[03:08] <Riddell> yep, predates even Linux
[03:08] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=1000&upid2=1310
[03:08] <raphink> added a patch for the desktop file
[03:09] <raphink> and one of the pot file
[03:09] <raphink> removed files left after debuild && debuild -S -sa
[03:09] <raphink> and that's about it
[03:09] <Riddell> raphink: why the need for make -f Makefile.cvs ?
[03:10] <raphink> because i remove some files in clean: that need to be regenerated 
[03:10] <seth_k|lappy> uploading again, Riddell, it'll take a couple minutes to process it
[03:10] <raphink> :s
[03:10] <raphink> since some files are modified by the build and have to be cleaned in clean:
[03:10] <Riddell> raphink: groovy, advocated
[03:10] <raphink> ok :)
[03:10] <raphink> ty
[03:11] <Riddell> wonder where pef has gone to, he was a good revu'er
[03:11] <raphink> vacation maybe ;)
[03:11] <seth_k|lappy> new upload is active on REVU, Riddell. 1 -> 2 && +Homepage
[03:12] <Riddell> it would be really good if we could reach a critical mass of kubuntu MOTU for revuing
[03:13] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: gah, nooo!
[03:13] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, ah?
[03:13] <Riddell> should be /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL not /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[03:13] <seth_k|lappy> ahhhh
[03:13] <Riddell> since it's GPL 2 or later
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[03:13] <raphink> Riddell: the more kubuntu members, the more kubuntu MOTUs I guess ;)
[03:13] <Riddell> and /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL is a symlink which will get updated when GPL 3 comes out
[03:13] <seth_k|lappy> ohhhh
[03:13] <seth_k|lappy> slomo had me change that in the kmobiletools package
[03:13] <seth_k|lappy> and I've always done it since :S
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> sorry
[03:14] <Riddell> did he?
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> once more...
[03:14] <raphink> Riddell: do you have a reference about this  /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL thingy ?
[03:14] <raphink> cause we had a talk about it with slomo last time
[03:14] <raphink> and although it seems very logical to me
[03:14] <raphink> i haven't gotten any 'standard' reference to it
[03:14] <raphink> maybe in policy
[03:14] <Riddell> raphink: no I don't, maybe we should being it up at the next motu meeting
[03:14] <raphink> I had to change it in one of my packages, too
[03:14] <raphink> so it'd be good to check and have a reference to quote
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[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> so should I change it, or not :) it's ready to upload again if so
[03:15] <raphink> try to call me if you don't see me back in 1 hour
[03:15] <raphink> that means i'm lost in policy
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> haha
[03:15] <raphink> :s
[03:15] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: yeah upload, we can change it again if I'm wrong
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[03:16] <seth_k|lappy> uploading...
[03:17] <raphink>  Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license in the file /usr/share/doc/package/copyright. This file must neither be compressed nor be a symbolic link.
[03:17] <raphink> Policy 12.5
[03:17] <raphink> that is interesting enough
[03:18] <raphink>  Packages distributed under the UCB BSD license, the Artistic license, the GNU GPL, and the GNU LGPL should refer to the files /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD, /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic, /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL, and /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL respectively, rather than quoting them in the copyright file.
[03:19] <seth_k|lappy> I think Riddell gets full marks on that one ;)
[03:19] <raphink> indeed
[03:19] <raphink> although i'm still searching for stuff on GPL-2 file
[03:21] <raphink> va falloir envoyer un mail  RMS ;)
[03:21] <raphink> grml
[03:22] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, new upload processed
[03:22] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: advocated!
[03:22] <raphink> I'd just say that when searching on google
[03:22] <raphink>  /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL gives about 136000 results
[03:22] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: please track down someone else to advocate and I'll upload
[03:22] <raphink> while  /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 gives only about 10500
[03:22] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, will do
[03:22] <Riddell> thanks
[03:22] <Riddell> I'm off to bed
[03:22] <seth_k|lappy> night
[03:22] <raphink> although almost no app is licensed under -1
[03:23] <raphink> and policy doesn't talk about  /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[03:23] <raphink> so +1 for Riddell 
[03:23] <raphink> :)
[03:23] <raphink> although it'd be nice to get it to next MOTU meeting as Riddell said :)
[03:24] <Riddell> no MOTU meeting scheduled that I can see
[03:24] <raphink> yes :s
[03:24] <raphink> maybe we can add it to the agenda
[03:24] <raphink> so whenever there's a meeting it can be talked about 
[03:24] <raphink> is there an agenda actually?
[03:25] <raphink> hehe
[03:25] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[03:25] <raphink> I'll add it :)
[03:26] <raphink> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[03:27] <Riddell> groovy
[03:27] <raphink> :)
[03:29] <raphink> ok I'm off to bed :)
[03:29] <raphink> ++
[03:30] <seth_k|lappy> night raphink|sleep 
[03:30] <raphink|sleep> night seth_k|lappy 
[03:31] <seth_k|lappy> btw Riddell, I did the manpage for the bonus points, do I have enough to get a pony yet? :P
[03:34] <Riddell> free horse to whoever packages polyester widget style first :)
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[04:41] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, want a free pony?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: a free pony?  could be fun - but my kangaroo would get jealous...
[04:42] <Tm_T> it's goat
[04:42] <seth_k|lappy> R iddell> free horse to whoever packages polyester widget style first :)
[04:42] <seth_k|lappy> the pony could be yours!
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ah right!
[04:44] <Hobbsee> looks nice
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[04:28] <lamont> you need to install kdelibs first.
[04:28] <lamont> If you did install kdelibs, then the Qt version that is picked up by
[04:28] <lamont> this configure is not the same version you used to compile kdelibs.
[04:28] <lamont> The Qt Plugin installed by kdelibs is *ONLY* loadable if it is the
[04:28] <lamont> _same Qt version_, compiled with the _same compiler_ and the same Qt
[04:28] <lamont> configuration settings.
[04:28] <lamont> sigh
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[04:38] <Tm_T> ?
[04:48] <mornfall> !
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[05:02] <Riddell> that'll be qt's buildkey again
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[05:05] <Riddell> ../../../kig/modes/../objects/../misc/object_hierarchy.h:31:   instantiated from here
[05:05] <Riddell> /usr/lib/gcc/hppa-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../../../include/c++/4.0.3/bits/basic_string.h:278: warning: cast from 'char*' to 'std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >::_Rep*' increases required alignment of target type
[05:12] <Tm_T> yrrrh, laggy ssh :(
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[08:47] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, ping
[08:47] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: pong
[08:47] <seth_k|lappy> ah good, you're here
[08:48] <seth_k|lappy> elmo bounced kflickr back because of arch=i386 instead of =any, but I don't have ppc or 64 to test on. Can you test those for me before I change the field?
[08:49] <Riddell> doh
[08:49] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: unless there's a good reason for it not to work on an architecture just assume it does
[08:49] <Riddell> very few KDE programs have anything architecture specific in them
[08:49] <seth_k|lappy> alright
[08:58] <seth_k|lappy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1365
[09:02] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: uploading
[09:03] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, would you mind leaving my e-mail on it so I can get the katie output?
[09:03] <seth_k|lappy> I'd rather have elmo yell at me if it bounces again so I don't have to come hunt down what's wrong
[09:04] <Riddell> ok, although that always seems to go wrong when I do that
[09:05] <seth_k|lappy> thanks, I appreciate it
[09:05] <Riddell> uploaded
[09:09] <Riddell> sebas: what's the difference between "import qt" and "from qt import *" in python?
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[09:15] <seth_k|lappy> thanks very much, Riddell. seems to have gone through okay... and I appreciate being able to see the katie output
[09:17] <Riddell> I wish katie would output to the person who signed it as well as the changed-by
[09:21] <jpatrick> Riddell: new kmymoney2: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1350
[09:29] <jpatrick> oh dear
[09:29] <Riddell> jpatrick: libaqbanking0-dev still won't install
[09:31] <jpatrick> okay that's another oh dear
[09:31] <Riddell> which is caused by some x thingy not working
[09:32] <jpatrick> libaqbanking0c2 ?
[09:32] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I'll contact upstream with the updated package and the comment about using XDG menus after it hits the archive
[09:33] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: great
[09:33] <Riddell> jpatrick: it needs to do a libstdc++ transition but can't because of some X thingy not working
[09:34] <jpatrick> Riddell: another one? (you did one last month)
[09:35] <Riddell> same one as last month
[09:35] <Riddell> c2 -> c2a
[09:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: btw I've closed a few bugs in LP such as: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/yakuake/+bug/3209
[09:35] <Riddell> xvfb-run is the problem
[09:37] <Riddell> hmm, seems to be working now, might give libaqbanking0-dev another shot
[09:37] <seth_k|lappy> um jpatrick... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/yakuake/+bug/3209 isn't fixed. We need to either patch the default accesskey, or provide a readme
[09:37] <seth_k|lappy> telling the reporter a workaround is *not* the same as fixing the bug
[09:37] <jpatrick> ah right
[09:38] <seth_k|lappy> plus, he can't open yaKuake to perform your workaround
[09:38] <seth_k|lappy> since F12 is already bound
[09:39] <jpatrick> He might be able to use DCOP
[09:39] <Riddell> it's a tricky one, not sure what the correct solution is for that
[09:40] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, why in the world is F12 right-click anyways? that's sort of a weird key to choose
[09:41] <seth_k|lappy> why not make it something like they're used to... Apple + Command + Shift + Ctrl + 3 + A
[09:41] <seth_k|lappy> :P
[09:42] <Riddell> I used right control and right meta key when I had a mac
[09:43] <seth_k|lappy> So should the bug really be re-filed about changing the default right-click key, instead of the default yaKuake key? :/
[09:45] <Riddell> you could argue that but whatever key was chosen for that would probably clash with something, and whatever key yakuake has will probably clash with something too
[09:47] <sebas> Riddell: Namespacing, after import "qt', you have to refer to classes as "qt.QWidget()", after "from qt import *" you can do "QWidget()"
[09:48] <Riddell> aah, thanks sebas 
[09:48] <sebas> Riddell: And in case you didn't see it, I fixed guidance on dapper.
[09:48] <Riddell> sebas: yeah, I uploaded that thanks
[09:48] <sebas> The problem wasn't pykde indeed.
[09:48] <Riddell> it was your sloppy coding :)
[09:48] <sebas> Did you upload current svn, or just with that patch added?
[09:48] <Riddell> just the patch
[09:48] <sebas> Simon's, actually :)
[09:49] <sebas> We could do another code drop into dapper before the release, I think current svn is in pretty good shape, but I'm planning more usability work.
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[09:49] <sebas> And displayconfig is supposed to be release quality before dapper release also.
[09:51] <Riddell> so I should upload an svn snapshot nowish?
[09:51] <sebas> Yeah, you could do.
[09:51] <sebas> I think it shouldn't be broken :)
[09:51] <Riddell> and have displayconfig enabled?
[09:51] <_Sime> I've also been thinking about what we can do about hardware changes at boot time. (i.e. replacing gfx cards)
[09:51] <sebas> Wider testing would be good, so we can get feedback.
[09:52] <_Sime> displayconfig should be working ok in svn.
[09:52] <sebas> displayconfig is only betting better I think.
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[09:54] <Riddell> hello macgyver2 
[09:55] <Riddell> I wonder if guidance still counts as upstream or not
[09:55] <macgyver2> hello
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[10:01] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, elmo took it that time :)
[10:02] <sebas> Riddell: upstream where?
[10:03] <sebas> Or "upstream in what context"?
[10:03] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: ooh, that was fast, groovy
[10:03] <Riddell> sebas: in the context of upstream version freeze
[10:06] <sebas> Riddell: It's only fixes ;-)
[10:07] <Riddell> that's one way to get changes in :)
[10:08] <sebas> Right :)
[10:09] <sebas> We *could* also use branches, but since we don't do bugs, only resolve them, it'd be useless anyway ;-)
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[10:39] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: libaqbanking is good so I'll upload that and kmymoney
[10:39] <Riddell> also needed libofx rebuilt
[10:40] <Riddell> sorry, should have been to jp
[10:40] <Riddell> jpatrick
[10:41] <Riddell> who isn't here, ah well :)(
[10:41] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[10:41] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kmymoney2/+bug/5194 << \sh said he was doing a merge, is that old info?
[10:42] <Riddell> he'll have to be quick since I'm about to upload this one that jpatrick merged
[10:42] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, ah, 12/27, never mind
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[11:10] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, quick question if you're there
[11:11] <Riddell> yo
[11:11] <seth_k|lappy> do I call polyester "kde-style-polyester", or just "polyester"
[11:11] <Riddell> kde-style-polyester
[11:11] <Riddell> else it's pollutin the namespace too much, and inconsistent with other styles
[11:11] <seth_k|lappy> okay... because lipstik is called "lipstik", but appears as "kde-style-lipstik"
[11:11] <seth_k|lappy> so wasn't sure if there was some voodoo going on there
[11:11] <Riddell> oh you can keep the source package as polyester if you want, or change it however you prefer
[11:12] <seth_k|lappy> what's canonical?
[11:12] <Riddell> it's the company that sponsors ubuntu
[11:12] <seth_k|lappy> NOOOOO
[11:12] <seth_k|lappy> i mean
[11:12] <Riddell> :)
[11:12] <seth_k|lappy> what is the canonical way
[11:12] <seth_k|lappy> I should've realized how dumb that sounded
[11:12] <seth_k|lappy> :P
[11:12] <Riddell> I don't know, look at how existing ones do it and see what's most popular
[11:12] <seth_k|lappy> alright
[11:13] <Riddell> there was some discussions about how to name window styles recently, I don't think they're done consistently
[11:15] <mornfall> wibble
[11:15] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm?
[11:15] <mornfall> just wibble
[11:16] <Riddell> hugs
[11:16] <mornfall> pong without ping
[11:16] <mornfall> what's up
[11:16] <mornfall> hmm, a bit late but still: happy new year :-)
[11:18] <Riddell> happy new year :)
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[11:21] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, lipstik has source "lipstik" and binary "kde-style-lipstik"; I do it that way, seems safe
[11:22] <Riddell> ok
[11:22] <jjesse> just a random fyi but here in michigan in the united states it is thundering and lightning.... first thunderstorm i've ever known in mi in jan
[11:22] <Riddell> _Sime: I get an error on displayconfirg when running it through kcmshell
[11:22] <Riddell>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ScanPCI.py", line 135, in _resolveDevicesWithLdetect
[11:22] <Riddell>     fhandle = open(os.path.join(self.data_file_dir,"pcitable"),"r")
[11:22] <Riddell> IOError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: 'pcitable'
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[11:24] <_Sime> Riddell: is pcitable installed in /usr/share/apps/guidance?
[11:24] <_Sime> Riddell: does it work outside kcmshell?
[11:25] <Riddell> yes and yes
[11:26] <apokryphos> Riddell: what's the procedure, again, for building packs simply on a different arch? Could get someone to just use their ppc to get 3.5 packs
[11:27] <_Sime> Riddell: I'll add that bug to my mental TODO list. Looks like it is broken in kcmshell...
[11:27] <Riddell> apokryphos: amu made some 3.5 packages I think
[11:28] <apokryphos> Riddell: oh? They gonna go in the repo soon?
[11:29] <apokryphos> (what was the procedure (if you don't mind), just for reference)
[11:29] <Riddell> apokryphos: need to ask amu
[11:29] <Riddell> apokryphos: which procedure?
[11:30] <apokryphos> Riddell: for building packs simply on a different arch. In deboostrap chroot you just need to get the source, and remove the debian/ is it? 
[11:30] <apokryphos> and end up with debuild some time at the end 8)
[11:30] <Riddell> put the deb-src in source.list
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[11:30] <Riddell> apt-get source foo; cd foo-<tab>; debuild
[11:30] <apokryphos> I remember it being short; thanks.
[11:31] <Riddell> jjesse: I never knew you were in the US
[11:31] <Riddell> wonder why not
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[11:31] <mornfall> Riddell: don't you know if sources.list.d is going to be used by default on dapper?
[11:32] <mornfall> or someone
[11:32] <jjesse> Riddell: yup all my life :)
[11:33] <Riddell> mornfall: that would mean debian-installer writing to sources.list.d I presume?
[11:33] <Riddell> or (k)ubuntu-express
[11:34] <mornfall> Riddell: no idea
[11:35] <Riddell> or is it something that apt needs to have enabled?
[11:35] <mornfall> nah, it should just work out of the box
[11:35] <mornfall> question is, what will the default config be like
[11:35] <mornfall> last thing i want to do is support sources.list.d
[11:36] <Riddell> I'll ask kamion
[11:37] <mornfall> i am completely clueless as how a gui for editing such a beast should look like
[11:37] <Riddell> mornfall: seen the synaptic sources editor?
[11:38] <Riddell> it's a bit abstracted from sources.list
[11:38] <mornfall> which synaptic version?
[11:40] <Riddell> mornfall: breezy
[11:51] <Riddell> _Sime: fix in
[11:52] <jjesse> Riddell: tomorrow when i get to work and have a better connection i'll upload more changes to the release notes
[11:52] <Riddell> jjesse: awooga
[11:53] <Riddell> jjesse: you should be able to add that we have a new displayconfig X setup module in system settings
[11:53] <jjesse> Riddell: i went through your suggestions that we talked about before i left on christmas break
[11:54] <jjesse> and have made them
[11:54] <Riddell> cool
[12:04] <Riddell> mornfall..
[12:04] <Riddell> 23:03 < Kamion> Riddell: just sources.list unless somebody gives me a good reason otherwise beyond "it's there" :-)
[12:04] <Riddell> 23:03 < Kamion> I prefer to leave sources.list.d for other packages and admin customisation