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| klepas | mhz_BBS: :) | 03:31 |
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| mhz | klepas: i just got back home and i am blasted | 03:52 |
| mhz | :( | 03:52 |
| mhz | I can commit to wake up earlier though | 03:53 |
| mhz | so I can shool you a little bit | 03:53 |
| mhz | bur before that, please use Moinmoin desktop edition | 03:53 |
| mhz | and once you unpack it, cd to the dir where you unpack it and do this: | 03:54 |
| mhz | ./moin | 03:54 |
| mhz | and then open a browser and visit localhost:8080 | 03:54 |
| klepas | alrighty | 03:57 |
| klepas | gimme a few minutes | 03:57 |
| klepas | voila | 04:02 |
| klepas | this is really quite cool :) | 04:02 |
| mhz | indeed | 04:03 |
| mhz | see? nt touching your OS | 04:03 |
| mhz | not | 04:03 |
| mhz | okis | 04:03 |
| mhz | are we ready? | 04:03 |
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| mhz | ;) | 04:03 |
| klepas | yep | 04:03 |
| mhz | okis | 04:04 |
| mhz | you are at the browser? | 04:04 |
| klepas | yes | 04:04 |
| mhz | everything we'll work on is after http://localhost:8080/ | 04:05 |
| klepas | ok | 04:05 |
| mhz | before we begin, you have to remember this is web technology | 04:05 |
| mhz | and that every page is a link | 04:06 |
| klepas | yes | 04:06 |
| mhz | or treated as a link | 04:06 |
| mhz | what's your name? | 04:06 |
| klepas | first name? | 04:06 |
| klepas | Pascal :) | 04:06 |
| mhz | Pascal Klein | 04:06 |
| klepas | yep | 04:06 |
| mhz | okis | 04:06 |
| mhz | write http://localhost:8080/PascalKlein | 04:07 |
| mhz | just like that | 04:07 |
| klepas | yep | 04:07 |
| mhz | press enter :) | 04:07 |
| klepas | Page obviously does not yet exist and i have an option to create a new page with that name | 04:07 |
| mhz | exactly, dont d it | 04:07 |
| mhz | not yet | 04:07 |
| mhz | now write http://localhost:8080/pascal | 04:08 |
| klepas | same | 04:08 |
| mhz | of course | 04:08 |
| klepas | :) | 04:08 |
| mhz | but you just noticed that it will let you creeate | 04:08 |
| mhz | new pages just like that | 04:09 |
| klepas | yes | 04:09 |
| mhz | now, what do you know wikis are for? | 04:09 |
| klepas | to store information | 04:09 |
| klepas | which can be edited cooperatively | 04:09 |
| mhz | excelent | 04:09 |
| klepas | so people can share their knowledge or write about something in a cooperative manner | 04:10 |
| mhz | but then | 04:10 |
| mhz | if we collaboratively edit pages, how do others know we have created a page 'pascal' or PascalKelin? | 04:10 |
| klepas | they can sign up to these pages | 04:10 |
| mhz | yes | 04:10 |
| klepas | and be informed by email, for example of changes | 04:11 |
| mhz | but when editing a page? | 04:11 |
| klepas | When editing a page yes | 04:11 |
| mhz | how do i know if i have to write 'pascal'? | 04:11 |
| klepas | not too sure about the creation of new pages | 04:11 |
| mhz | or PascalKlein to get a link? | 04:11 |
| klepas | i assume that the function of signing up is somewhat configurable so that people can also be informed when new pages are made | 04:11 |
| mhz | yes | 04:12 |
| mhz | and no | 04:12 |
| mhz | klepas: the purpose of a good wiki is | 04:12 |
| mhz | that if I happen to write about the Artwork project, | 04:12 |
| mhz | and I want to let the readers know about Pascal | 04:12 |
| mhz | I want to have a link t your pages | 04:13 |
| mhz | or page | 04:13 |
| klepas | yes | 04:13 |
| mhz | to do so, I need to know if your page is Pascal, PascalKlein or pascal | 04:13 |
| klepas | a wiki is based on a network of links | 04:13 |
| mhz | because those 3 can be links or just words | 04:13 |
| mhz | so, | 04:13 |
| klepas | yes | 04:14 |
| mhz | a good standard policy to every wiki | 04:14 |
| mhz | is we use CamelCase | 04:14 |
| mhz | which are 2 words put together | 04:14 |
| klepas | FirstwordLastword? :) | 04:14 |
| mhz | yup | 04:14 |
| mhz | excellent | 04:14 |
| mhz | and to avoid pascal as link | 04:14 |
| mhz | :) | 04:14 |
| klepas | and they point to the respective wiki pages | 04:14 |
| mhz | or avoid Pascal | 04:14 |
| mhz | exactly | 04:14 |
| mhz | this way, we all know we use similar standards | 04:15 |
| mhz | and we'll make lots of links to useful or already existing pages | 04:15 |
| klepas | and if they do not exist they link to them anyway and the wiki will then realise that the page is non-existant and will allow you to create it :) | 04:15 |
| mhz | yes and no | 04:15 |
| mhz | yes if its 'syntax' is a link | 04:15 |
| mhz | and here we come to the diffs | 04:15 |
| mhz | Each wiki engine can use their own syntax | 04:16 |
| mhz | but 99% will always respect CamelCasing | 04:16 |
| klepas | good | 04:16 |
| mhz | now, | 04:16 |
| mhz | last 2 needed standards: | 04:16 |
| mhz | 2) Avoid subpages | 04:17 |
| mhz | why? | 04:17 |
| mhz | klepas: why d you think I say s? | 04:17 |
| mhz | so | 04:17 |
| klepas | just to make clear | 04:17 |
| mhz | (sorry for my 'o's | 04:17 |
| klepas | sub pages are: | 04:17 |
| klepas | "/Artwork/UbuntuArtwork | 04:17 |
| mhz | Pascal/PascalKlein | 04:17 |
| klepas | for example? | 04:17 |
| mhz | yup | 04:17 |
| klepas | ah, good | 04:17 |
| klepas | Why should we avoid these? | 04:18 |
| mhz | or PascalKlein/MyMon | 04:18 |
| klepas | i would think that it would be a good thing | 04:18 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:18 |
| mhz | every wiki newie thinks so | 04:18 |
| mhz | :D | 04:18 |
| klepas | especially since it is what we want to do with /Artwork | 04:18 |
| mhz | Example: | 04:18 |
| mhz | we have a wiki site about Australian families | 04:19 |
| mhz | How would you make the homepage for your family? What page name would it be? | 04:19 |
| klepas | "/KleinFamily" probably? | 04:19 |
| mhz | okis | 04:20 |
| mhz | blabla.org/KleinFamily | 04:20 |
| mhz | ok? | 04:20 |
| klepas | yes | 04:20 |
| mhz | now | 04:20 |
| mhz | Lets' say we have 300 hundred Klein people | 04:20 |
| klepas | lol, yep | 04:20 |
| mhz | from 90 diff families | 04:21 |
| mhz | what name will your family page be? | 04:21 |
| klepas | why not make it the /Klein | 04:22 |
| mhz | ok, | 04:22 |
| mhz | let's try the klein | 04:22 |
| mhz | Klein | 04:22 |
| mhz | sorry | 04:22 |
| klepas | and from then /Klein/BlahKlein | 04:22 |
| klepas | for each family? | 04:22 |
| mhz | ok | 04:22 |
| mhz | To show you | 04:23 |
| mhz | at http://localhost:8080/ | 04:23 |
| mhz | Make your page http://localhost:8080/Klein | 04:23 |
| mhz | please | 04:23 |
| mhz | Choose no template | 04:23 |
| klepas | yes | 04:23 |
| klepas | just some plain text? | 04:23 |
| mhz | yes | 04:24 |
| mhz | whatever | 04:24 |
| klepas | done | 04:24 |
| klepas | save | 04:24 |
| mhz | this is only a test | 04:24 |
| mhz | ok | 04:24 |
| mhz | we see a nice Klein page? | 04:24 |
| klepas | yes | 04:24 |
| mhz | ok | 04:24 |
| mhz | now, http://localhost:8080/Zamora | 04:25 |
| mhz | please | 04:25 |
| klepas | new page as well? | 04:25 |
| mhz | yup | 04:25 |
| klepas | done | 04:25 |
| mhz | now, edit Klein page | 04:26 |
| mhz | and write blablabla Zamora blah. | 04:26 |
| mhz | and save | 04:26 |
| klepas | done | 04:26 |
| mhz | is Zamora considered a link? | 04:27 |
| klepas | no | 04:28 |
| klepas | no CamelCase | 04:28 |
| mhz | now, http://localhost:8080/Klein and edit it | 04:28 |
| klepas | yes | 04:28 |
| mhz | using PascalKlein on the body, somewhere | 04:28 |
| klepas | [http://localhost:808/Zamora Zamora] ? | 04:29 |
| mhz | nope | 04:29 |
| klepas | ok | 04:29 |
| klepas | added PascalKlein | 04:29 |
| klepas | and saved | 04:29 |
| mhz | does it show as link? | 04:29 |
| klepas | yes; it's CamelCase :) | 04:29 |
| mhz | edit same Klein page | 04:30 |
| klepas | yep | 04:30 |
| klepas | add what | 04:30 |
| mhz | and add ["Zamora"] | 04:30 |
| klepas | ah, lovely | 04:31 |
| klepas | but this should be avoided entirely, no? | 04:31 |
| mhz | 1st question: which way is it faster? | 04:31 |
| klepas | CamelCase | 04:31 |
| mhz | 2nd question: | 04:31 |
| mhz | do you know what Zampra is? | 04:31 |
| mhz | Zamora | 04:31 |
| klepas | so this is why the /Artwork idea isn't so good | 04:32 |
| mhz | Zamora | 04:32 |
| klepas | it's not your last name is it? | 04:32 |
| klepas | :o) | 04:32 |
| mhz | Yes | 04:32 |
| mhz | but what if you just did not know | 04:32 |
| klepas | Mauricio Hermandez Zamora :) | 04:32 |
| mhz | exactly | 04:32 |
| mhz | :) | 04:32 |
| klepas | what do i do if i do not know? | 04:33 |
| mhz | what if we are 300 Klein people writing about our families | 04:33 |
| klepas | errm. Use 300 different wiki pages | 04:33 |
| mhz | and we have potential words that could have been aoutomagically linked to existing pages | 04:33 |
| klepas | because a central /Klein page would still be too confusing | 04:33 |
| mhz | but they were not autolinked because we did not use camel casing | 04:33 |
| mhz | Wikis are meant to be 'flat', 'horizontal' | 04:34 |
| klepas | and whenever someone tries to refer to a certain Foobar Klein no one will know wo whom they are referring too | 04:34 |
| mhz | exactly | 04:34 |
| klepas | yep | 04:34 |
| klepas | when are subpages applicable? | 04:34 |
| mhz | if we keeep a wiki 'flat' then we have more chances to get autolinked | 04:34 |
| mhz | wehn we dont care about 'autolinks' or | 04:35 |
| klepas | okay | 04:35 |
| mhz | when we have a responsible editors group taking care | 04:35 |
| klepas | so, here's the bombshell question | 04:35 |
| mhz | of such things | 04:35 |
| klepas | what would you propose | 04:35 |
| klepas | to do with the /Artwork wiki pages? | 04:35 |
| klepas | :) | 04:36 |
| mhz | difficult to answer | 04:36 |
| mhz | I guess | 04:36 |
| mhz | that we have to find the most general stuff common to all artwork projects | 04:36 |
| klepas | okay | 04:37 |
| mhz | (logo, theme, palletes, etc) | 04:37 |
| klepas | and make seperate /UbuntuArtwork, /KubuntuArtwork pages | 04:37 |
| mhz | and then, only then, create maybe one or two (no more) sblevels | 04:37 |
| klepas | and then the unfied stuff goes into /SplashScreens for example? | 04:37 |
| mhz | or | 04:37 |
| klepas | mmhh | 04:37 |
| mhz | we could have no unification at all | 04:39 |
| klepas | mhh | 04:39 |
| mhz | or | 04:39 |
| klepas | i think we could just stick with what we've decided now | 04:39 |
| klepas | but i guess if this new proposal for the wiki does not work out we can always change it | 04:39 |
| mhz | if we know that we'll have some people responsible for each falvour's pages, we could | 04:40 |
| klepas | yep | 04:40 |
| mhz | just take care of linking to that flaovurs homepage | 04:40 |
| klepas | well i am happy to do Ubunut, Kubuntu and maybe even some Edubuntu | 04:40 |
| klepas | :) | 04:40 |
| klepas | *Ubuntu | 04:40 |
| mhz | or | 04:41 |
| mhz | I'd be very happy to see | 04:41 |
| mhz | XubuntuArtworkSplashScreen | 04:41 |
| mhz | XubuntuArtworkLogo | 04:41 |
| mhz | XubuntuArtworkTheme | 04:41 |
| mhz | XubuntuArtworkColorPallete | 04:41 |
| mhz | etc | 04:41 |
| klepas | mhh | 04:41 |
| klepas | sounds a bit tedious | 04:42 |
| mhz | Looong KISS and tedious when writing | 04:42 |
| mhz | but believe me... | 04:42 |
| mhz | end users will immediately get the idea where they are heading | 04:42 |
| mhz | and the good thing is.. | 04:42 |
| klepas | yeah, true | 04:42 |
| klepas | well, how about | 04:42 |
| mhz | we can make those links to show up Xubuntu Artwork Logo | 04:43 |
| klepas | we go through with the proposal that we agreed | 04:43 |
| mhz | intead of sticky | 04:43 |
| klepas | and then, if we wish to change it at a later stage, we will | 04:43 |
| mhz | current proposal involves many subpages | 04:44 |
| mhz | so if you dont know the path to them.. | 04:44 |
| mhz | how will you get there? | 04:44 |
| klepas | that is one thing we want to make sure remains easy | 04:45 |
| klepas | we want to set out /Artwork really well | 04:45 |
| mhz | exactly | 04:45 |
| klepas | so anyone who is unsure will be able to find it still quickly | 04:45 |
| mhz | today | 04:45 |
| mhz | if you have no subpages | 04:45 |
| mhz | and write on the search area | 04:45 |
| mhz | pascal and hit 'enter' | 04:46 |
| mhz | you will 100% see all pages having pascal on their title | 04:46 |
| klepas | so if we have /Artwork/UbuntuArtwork/Splash | 04:46 |
| klepas | and you do a search for 'splash" | 04:46 |
| klepas | will you find /Artwork/UbuntuArtwork/Splash | 04:46 |
| mhz | it will probably get you there but it will take MUCH more to get it | 04:47 |
| mhz | because it 1st reads the top level pages | 04:47 |
| mhz | then subpages | 04:47 |
| mhz | remember it's a wiki engine | 04:47 |
| klepas | yes | 04:47 |
| klepas | alright | 04:48 |
| klepas | i understand now the pros and cons of using subpages | 04:48 |
| mhz | and when you edit a page and want to link it to 'splash' of Ubuntu, how would you know that's the path? | 04:48 |
| klepas | yea | 04:48 |
| klepas | well, for now it has to wait | 04:48 |
| mhz | yup | 04:48 |
| klepas | we want to fix the wiki first | 04:48 |
| klepas | in the manner agreed at the meeting | 04:48 |
| mhz | yes | 04:48 |
| klepas | mhh | 04:48 |
| klepas | "#redirect ArtworkTodoProposal | 04:48 |
| klepas | :) | 04:48 |
| mhz | but we gotta make a proposal | 04:49 |
| klepas | i think i will be able to change it | 04:49 |
| mhz | and I am 'wasted' tired | 04:49 |
| mhz | so, my brain is not letting me be clear as i should | 04:49 |
| mhz | klepas: sorry | 04:49 |
| mhz | I gotta hit the envelope | 04:50 |
| mhz | see ya soon | 04:50 |
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| klepas | cheers | 04:50 |
| mhz | bye | 04:50 |
| klepas | thanks for the help :) | 04:50 |
| mhz | np | 04:50 |
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| artnay | hey klepas | 09:28 |
| artnay | seems like you and mhz have been planning something | 09:28 |
| artnay | I've been away for some days now, so I'm a bit "outdated" :) | 09:28 |
| artnay | klepas: and do we have any word about imagemagick support? we could create FAQ and/or script for AUC | 09:30 |
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| artnay | hey lukacu | 11:38 |
| artnay | hey all :o | 11:38 |
| lukacu | hello artnay | 12:26 |
| klepas | hey | 12:29 |
| klepas | lukacu: i'll send you a copy of what i've been thinking about AUC tomorrow | 12:31 |
| artnay | so how are you? | 12:32 |
| artnay | everything fine after NYE? :) | 12:32 |
| artnay | well, actually I read the log and it seemed none of you were online back then :) | 12:33 |
| artnay | klepas: did you take a look at the log? | 12:33 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal | 12:33 |
| artnay | I discussed about that one earlier | 12:33 |
| artnay | I mainly wondered why there was a section for each of us | 12:35 |
| artnay | and why isn't that page mentioned at /Artwork | 12:35 |
| artnay | so we all could build the structure, not just the three of us. | 12:35 |
| artnay | we could discuss here on IRC and make the changes to one proposal | 12:35 |
| artnay | or do we need separate sections? | 12:36 |
| klepas | artnay: now's not a great time for me | 12:37 |
| artnay | we still do have a meeting on 5th? | 12:37 |
| klepas | i need to go soon | 12:37 |
| klepas | but yea | 12:37 |
| artnay | I'll edit /Artwork | 12:37 |
| klepas | check that voting page again for the meeting stuff | 12:37 |
| klepas | we're voting for either Thursday or Friday | 12:37 |
| klepas | 2300 UTC | 12:37 |
| artnay | umh | 12:37 |
| klepas | i'm very sorry i haven't gotten out the minutes yet | 12:37 |
| artnay | ok | 12:37 |
| artnay | well I'll update it anyways | 12:37 |
| klepas | my parents left for a week | 12:37 |
| klepas | and i need to look after the house | 12:37 |
| klepas | and i have to work tomorrow at 4 AM | 12:38 |
| klepas | and it's 22:38 now | 12:38 |
| klepas | ugh | 12:38 |
| klepas | either way | 12:38 |
| klepas | i'll try to send out the minutes tonight | 12:38 |
| klepas | which wiki page should i put it on? | 12:38 |
| klepas | or and check /Artwork | 12:38 |
| klepas | i've changed the redirect | 12:38 |
| klepas | and now it's a blank page plus some quick writting from me | 12:39 |
| klepas | so we can begin the restructuring | 12:39 |
| artnay | eh | 12:39 |
| artnay | why isn't information on /ArtworkTodoProposal listed there? | 12:39 |
| artnay | that's unnecessary | 12:39 |
| artnay | duh, /Artwork doesn't even have a mention of /ArtworkTodoProposal | 12:40 |
| lukacu | hello klepas, artnay | 12:40 |
| klepas | sorry | 12:40 |
| artnay | so how on earth are people to supposed vote for the next date? :o | 12:40 |
| klepas | we need to start this restructuring | 12:40 |
| klepas | while we're doing that we can link to the proposal | 12:40 |
| artnay | well is /Artwork your proposal? | 12:40 |
| lukacu | klepas: send it on my maillist address | 12:40 |
| klepas | yep | 12:41 |
| klepas | isn't that what we agreed on? | 12:41 |
| klepas | i just copied what we had in the wiki section of the proposal | 12:41 |
| klepas | and altered it a wee bit | 12:41 |
| artnay | I though you'd use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal | 12:41 |
| artnay | +t | 12:42 |
| artnay | nevermind | 12:42 |
| artnay | it's only getting uglier than ever ;) | 12:42 |
| artnay | but hey, let's chat more when you have time for that | 12:43 |
| klepas | yep | 12:43 |
| artnay | I'll update /ArtworkTodoProposal, could you update /Artwork to contain a link to /ArtworkTodoProposal | 12:43 |
| klepas | sadly that will be in a fair while | 12:43 |
| klepas | yes | 12:43 |
| artnay | cool | 12:43 |
| klepas | feel free to start working on /Artwork | 12:43 |
| artnay | you still have plenty of time | 12:44 |
| artnay | to sleep, I mean | 12:44 |
| artnay | 3 hours is enough for everybody | 12:44 |
| klepas | less than 5 hours | 12:44 |
| artnay | x) x) | 12:44 |
| klepas | lol | 12:44 |
| klepas | we should also make the page /ArtWork rather than /Artwork | 12:46 |
| klepas | for CamelCase linking | 12:46 |
| klepas | anyway | 12:46 |
| artnay | sure, why not | 12:46 |
| artnay | but first of all, the structure has to be ideal | 12:47 |
| artnay | then do these "minor changes" that affect usability | 12:47 |
| artnay | well, actually it should be done simultaneosly | 12:47 |
| klepas | yep | 12:48 |
| klepas | i'll work more on it later | 12:48 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal | 12:48 |
| artnay | updated | 12:48 |
| klepas | i need to eat something and get ready for tomorrow | 12:48 |
| klepas | and thn sleep | 12:48 |
| klepas | thanks | 12:48 |
| artnay | ok, take care mate | 12:49 |
| klepas | yep | 12:49 |
| klepas | btw, vote if you haven't | 12:49 |
| klepas | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamVoting | 12:49 |
| klepas | cheers | 12:49 |
| artnay | I guess I'm not available on Friday | 12:50 |
| artnay | so I have to my vote on 5th | 12:50 |
| artnay | any word from canonical? | 12:51 |
| artnay | AUC, branding guide, anything? | 12:51 |
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| artnay | d/na | 12:53 |
| artnay | I was just going to ask if could edit /ArtworkTodoProposal to include /Artwork | 12:53 |
| artnay | but seems like you changed /Artwork already | 12:53 |
| artnay | how does one get "date" printed into wiki easily? | 12:54 |
| artnay | klepas: and you didn't tell your opinion on /ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal | 12:55 |
| artnay | *grr* | 12:55 |
| artnay | ;) | 12:55 |
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| artnay | I still need an "ok" to change StructureProposal | 01:04 |
| artnay | hey AndyFitz | 01:04 |
| artnay | how are you? | 01:04 |
| AndyFitz | g'day g'day | 01:05 |
| AndyFitz | I'm good. and alive for 2006 ! | 01:05 |
| artnay | AndyFitz: we had a (quite disorganized) meeting last thursday | 01:05 |
| AndyFitz | how are you artnay ? | 01:05 |
| artnay | pretty buzy, haven't been on computer for a few days | 01:05 |
| artnay | so now I have go through logs etc. | 01:05 |
| artnay | http://hdr.unk.fi/~artnay/leaf_by_machine6featUbuntu.png - something green for us (blends pretty well with brown and black) | 01:06 |
| AndyFitz | it was held in #ubuntu-meeting ? | 01:06 |
| artnay | AndyFitz: yes, it was | 01:06 |
| artnay | although there wasn't much artwork team members present, but we still got a few things straight | 01:07 |
| artnay | like building wiki structure (and we're supposed to renew it before the next meeting, quite tight schedule), renewing AUC, trying to build a better information channel between canonical and artwork team (to get AUC done right and to get that branding guide finally) | 01:08 |
| artnay | AndyFitz: how's your LCA presentation? | 01:10 |
| AndyFitz | artnay it will be fun | 01:16 |
| AndyFitz | fontforge may have a bigger mention than I thought it should have but hey I guess I'm in love with an ugly app | 01:17 |
| artnay | hehe, never tried that one | 01:23 |
| artnay | so is LCA webcasted? | 01:24 |
| artnay | http://www.livejournal.com/users/cniehaus/12822.html - nice, I've never understood how all those materials are utilized and in which technologies etc. | 01:28 |
| artnay | something to make it easier to comprehend | 01:29 |
| Tm_T | :) | 01:44 |
| Tm_T | artnay: you got ready that theme you were playing around? | 01:45 |
| artnay | Tm_T: no, not yet :) | 01:49 |
| artnay | I'm trying to build new splash using moodin engine | 01:49 |
| artnay | I'm off, bye | 01:50 |
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