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| BenC | ah sweet stability | 03:33 |
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| BenC | I think the last bcm43xx update fixed my dropped packets that were causing me to reconnect so often | 03:33 |
| mjg59 | Rock | 03:38 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 06:12 |
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| fabbione | BenC: please pull from my archive when you have time. RedHat Cluster Suite update. | 01:02 |
| fabbione | BenC: i would like to get it in for the next upload | 01:02 |
| fabbione | since it has some nice bug fixes | 01:03 |
| BenC | sure thing | 01:21 |
| BenC | is it going to break ABI? | 01:21 |
| fabbione | i don't think so | 01:33 |
| fabbione | you forgot to add the ABI file for amd64-server | 01:33 |
| fabbione | and that's the one i was building | 01:33 |
| fabbione | so diff complained there were no files to diff | 01:33 |
| fabbione | BenC: this kernel is rocking.. | 01:56 |
| fabbione | on all the test arches/machines i only have one regressions that i need to reverify with the latest build | 01:56 |
| jbailey | BenC: You working today? | 02:12 |
| fabbione | jbailey: that's the kind of question that will never get a proper answer :) | 02:13 |
| fabbione | jbailey: considering Ben git commits all the way trough xmas and new year :) | 02:14 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Right. Sort of why I'm not asking him if he's hacking or not. =) | 02:14 |
| fabbione | hehehe | 02:14 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Working is a someone related state, but not the same. =) | 02:14 |
| fabbione | BenC: ah one important thing.. i am going to take my webcam in London, we need to get it working :)))) | 02:14 |
| fabbione | i have the code from some external crap | 02:15 |
| fabbione | but it's not exactly working.. anymore.. used to in .12 | 02:15 |
| fabbione | and the code is a fork of the $cantrememberwhatdriver that we do have | 02:15 |
| fabbione | so perhaps we could do some magic on it | 02:15 |
| jbailey | BenC: Whenever you are back, I wasn't able to find someone over the break who can talk about the asm-ppc/asm-ppc64 integration. | 02:19 |
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| jbailey | BenC: If you can help me find someone that would be lovely. It's a very simple problem to fix, but will probably break all sorts of things. | 02:19 |
| zul | gday | 02:19 |
| jbailey | fabbione: FWIW, with the -10 kernel I haven't seen a crash in a couple of days. | 02:19 |
| jbailey | fabbione: But usually it crashes shortly after I say that. | 02:20 |
| fabbione | jbailey: ask benh? ;) | 02:20 |
| jbailey | fabbione: He wasn't in #ppc64 much over the break. | 02:20 |
| fabbione | jbailey: #kernel | 02:21 |
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| jbailey | I'll get beaten for talking about using those headers. =) | 02:21 |
| fabbione | jbailey: ask in /msg ;) | 02:21 |
| zul | he'll get slaughtered then | 02:22 |
| fabbione | nah | 02:22 |
| fabbione | not from benh | 02:22 |
| jbailey | I'll /notify on him here for now | 02:23 |
| zul | brb...new grub | 02:29 |
| zul | oops...wrong machine | 02:30 |
| fabbione | BenC: i think i need a newer firmware | 02:34 |
| fabbione | BenC: i do the iwconfig dance | 02:34 |
| fabbione | ifconfig eth1 up | 02:34 |
| fabbione | and it switches again to 54M | 02:34 |
| fabbione | but if i do again iwconfig rate it works just fine | 02:35 |
| BenC | weird | 02:44 |
| BenC | so it's working? | 02:44 |
| BenC | jbailey: ok, just let me know what you need done | 02:45 |
| fabbione | BenC: more or less yes | 02:45 |
| fabbione | one thing to avoid | 02:45 |
| BenC | fabbione: can you send me specs on the webcam? | 02:45 |
| BenC | lsusb out and such | 02:46 |
| fabbione | ifdown foo if your rate is 54Mbit | 02:46 |
| jbailey | BenC: asm-powerpc/signal.h relies on BITS_PER_LONG, which is only defined if __kernel__. | 02:46 |
| fabbione | BenC: i can send you the code that was working on .12 | 02:46 |
| fabbione | BenC: and all the other infos | 02:46 |
| fabbione | i don't have a URL to the specs | 02:46 |
| jbailey | BenC: asm-s390 just seems to pick an arbitrary value for public consumption in their signal.h | 02:46 |
| BenC | 32 is a good value for ppc I think | 02:47 |
| BenC | since if it isn't __kernel__, then it's userspace and probably 32-bit | 02:47 |
| BenC | fabbione: ok, just lsusb output and vendor/model if you can | 02:48 |
| fabbione | BenC: yup | 02:48 |
| jbailey | BenC: Debian has a true 64bit ppc64 port. | 02:48 |
| jbailey | So that doesn't seem actually true. =( | 02:48 |
| BenC | I wonder if I get mol running on my wife's G5 if she will even notice that I installed ubuntu on it | 02:48 |
| jbailey | BenC: I think it's just leaving buffer space in structs for things, though. In which case the 64 bit one should be fine. | 02:49 |
| jbailey | BenC: mol? | 02:49 |
| BenC | jbailey: then probably a quick macro test for __powerpc64__ since the compiler should define that | 02:49 |
| BenC | mac-on-linux | 02:49 |
| jbailey | Oh! I didn't know that existed. | 02:49 |
| BenC | shit, mol is the bomb | 02:50 |
| jbailey | So far the only mac thing I want is a game that I don't remember what it's called that ran on m68k., =) | 02:50 |
| BenC | it's not an emulator | 02:50 |
| BenC | it's a virtual machine (native mostly) | 02:50 |
| jbailey | Ah, cool. | 02:50 |
| BenC | runs OSX 10.4 easily | 02:50 |
| BenC | runs in a framebuffer window, and is almost native speed (no graphics accel, but that's ok) | 02:51 |
| BenC | #ifndef __KERNEL__ | 02:51 |
| BenC | #ifdef __powerpc64__ | 02:51 |
| BenC | #define BITS_PER_LONG 64 | 02:52 |
| BenC | #else | 02:52 |
| BenC | #define BITS_PER_LONG 32 | 02:52 |
| BenC | #endif | 02:52 |
| BenC | #endif | 02:52 |
| BenC | make that first line "#if defined(__KERNEL__) && !defined(BITS_PER_LONG) | 02:52 |
| BenC | damnit | 02:52 |
| BenC | #if !defined(__KERNEL__) && !defined(BITS_PER_LONG) | 02:52 |
| BenC | yeah, that will work | 02:53 |
| BenC | gcc -m32 doesn't define __powerpc64__ | 02:54 |
| BenC | but gcc -m64 does | 02:54 |
| BenC | jbailey: would you be able to add that to your build, or do I need to put it in the actual headers? | 02:54 |
| jbailey | BenC: It should be in the actual headers, otherwise anything that uses signal.h will break. | 02:55 |
| BenC | ok, adding it now for 10.16 | 02:55 |
| jbailey | Thanks. | 02:55 |
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| zul | BenC: new crack for you | 02:57 |
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| zul | vi brb | 03:55 |
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| zul | heylo | 04:31 |
| fabbione | BenC: | 04:37 |
| fabbione | -Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu12 dpkg-dev_1.13.10ubuntu4 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu13 gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 g++-4.0_4.0.1- | 04:37 |
| fabbione | 4ubuntu9 binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu5 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 | 04:37 |
| fabbione | +Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu12 dpkg-dev_1.13.10ubuntu4 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu13 gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 g++-4.0_4.0.1- | 04:37 |
| fabbione | 4ubuntu9 binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu6 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 | 04:37 |
| fabbione | spot the difference... | 04:37 |
| BenC | binutils? | 04:41 |
| fabbione | and now: | 04:41 |
| fabbione | Checking correctness of source dependencies... | 04:41 |
| fabbione | -Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu11 dpkg-dev_1.13.10ubuntu4 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu12 gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 g++-4.0_4.0.1- | 04:41 |
| fabbione | 4ubuntu9 binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu4 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 | 04:41 |
| fabbione | +Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu12 dpkg-dev_1.13.10ubuntu4 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu13 gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 g++-4.0_4.0.1- | 04:41 |
| fabbione | 4ubuntu9 binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu5 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 | 04:41 |
| fabbione | i am digging into 20771 | 04:42 |
| zul | i love battling with grub | 04:42 |
| BenC | so you think it's a binutils issue? | 04:42 |
| fabbione | the only thing changed between 9.23 and 10.24 is binutils | 04:42 |
| fabbione | now | 04:42 |
| fabbione | binutils changes are trivial | 04:42 |
| fabbione | only packaging stuff | 04:42 |
| fabbione | the second diff is the toolchain info on which binutils has been built | 04:42 |
| fabbione | you might notice clearly that there is more that did change | 04:43 |
| BenC | is binutils built self contained like gcc (IOW, it gets compiled twice, the second time by itself)? | 04:43 |
| fabbione | i have no idea | 04:43 |
| fabbione | that's doko/elmo question | 04:43 |
| BenC | maybe binutils compiled itself wrong the second time :) | 04:43 |
| fabbione | it's a possibility that we can't exclude | 04:44 |
| fabbione | ubuntu4 was hppa/sparc specific change | 04:44 |
| fabbione | assuming it was done correctly (and i think so | 04:44 |
| BenC | -5 was built with -4, and -6 with -5, so it could be that -5 was broken | 04:44 |
| fabbione | ubuntu3 is the first hit with some i386/x64_64 changes | 04:45 |
| fabbione | it's a possibility | 04:45 |
| fabbione | i don't have enough experience to understand binutils | 04:45 |
| fabbione | but there are no differences in the test suite | 04:46 |
| fabbione | at least that i can see with diff -y | 04:46 |
| fabbione | diff -u | 04:46 |
| doko | BenC: no, it's the normal build, and then the multiarch build | 04:47 |
| fabbione | BenC: it's the only thing i will have to check when elmo is back | 04:52 |
| fabbione | get old binutils and try to rebuild the kernel | 04:52 |
| fabbione | and see what happens | 04:52 |
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| AcidPils | rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr^x^x^x^rxx9~ | 04:55 |
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| AcidPils | upss | 04:55 |
| BenC | damn this sucks, mol wont run on G5(64-bit), and development on it seems pretty dead for over a year now | 04:56 |
| BenC | will a G5 run 32-bit kernel? | 04:57 |
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| fabbione | BenC: yes, but it's not very stable and upstream doesn't support it anymore | 04:58 |
| fabbione | that's why we had the changes between hoary and breezy with power3/power4 into powerpc64-smp | 04:58 |
| BenC | that reminds me, I want to make yaboot choose the correct kernel based on 64-bit/32-bit | 05:00 |
| zul | 2 | 05:00 |
| zul | oops | 05:00 |
| BenC | amazing how much yaboot code is like silo | 05:01 |
| fabbione | BenC: ahhaha did they copy it? | 05:03 |
| mjg59 | BenC: I've got the SD driver running fairly stable now (though still stupidly slow), so I'll probably submit that to you soon | 05:04 |
| BenC | fabbione: yeah, yaboot was based on silo | 05:06 |
| BenC | mjg59: ok, thanks | 05:06 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 05:06 |
| mjg59 | Anyone intimitely familiar with x86 around? | 05:21 |
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| jbailey | mjg59: I cuddled my new laptop about 6 years ago. About 15 years ago I remember cuddling my first 486. | 05:42 |
| jbailey | mjg59: It's a long and sordid history. I don't know if she's told me all her secrets or not, though. | 05:42 |
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| jbailey | Is suspend to ram on a desktop supposed to work? For fun I suspended my wife's machine and it doesn't resume. | 06:34 |
| fabbione | my suspend too | 06:34 |
| fabbione | it dies on resume :) | 06:34 |
| jbailey | Ah, okay. | 06:35 |
| jbailey | Just thinking how nice it would be to have instant-on for my desktop machines. =) | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | It's "supposed" to work | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | But will tend to fail for much the same reasons as on laptops | 06:36 |
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| jbailey | mjg59: Ah, cool. | 06:55 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Do the tweaks you do to acpi for laptops generally make things better all around, or are they often specific deviant modes for specific models? | 06:56 |
| mjg59 | They generally make things better all around | 06:58 |
| mjg59 | But it would be nice to know how it fails on desktops | 06:58 |
| jbailey | Is there a way I can get more information out of the box other than "solid red light, doesn't take the monitor out of green mode"? | 06:59 |
| jbailey | s/red/harddrive/ | 07:00 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 07:02 |
| mjg59 | Serial console? | 07:02 |
| jbailey | 'k. I'll try that next time. | 07:15 |
| jbailey | See if I get anything off of it at all. | 07:15 |
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| mjg59 | You might need to hack wakeup.S to reprogram the serial port | 07:16 |
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| BenC | anyone with a G3? | 08:01 |
| BenC | I need to see "cat /proc/device-tree/compatible" | 08:01 |
| cjb | Yeah, hang on. | 08:02 |
| jbailey | mjg59: But otherwise does it already send status messages there? | 08:08 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: No, you need console=ttyS0,9600n1 (or something) | 08:13 |
| jbailey | Oh right, so it's just the usual kernel messages. | 08:13 |
| jbailey | Is there any other special debugging worth turning on? | 08:13 |
| mjg59 | CONFIG_PM_DEBUG, possibly | 08:14 |
| jbailey | 'k | 08:14 |
| jbailey | I think Angie's away next weekend, so her machine will be free to break then. | 08:14 |
| cjb | BenC: Mine contains "PowerBook2,1^@MacRISC^@Power Macintosh^@". | 08:17 |
| BenC | cjb: cool, thanks | 08:17 |
| cjb | Ack. | 08:37 |
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| zul | heh...my wife and i at were at each others throats.. | 08:39 |
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| zul | presents are better than strees no doubt | 08:40 |
| cjb | I mean, whether having presents makes up for the holiday stress and makes Christmas worthwhile rather than annoying. :) | 08:41 |
| zul | heh..brb...new grub | 08:41 |
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| zul | bleah.. | 08:45 |
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| zul | oh goody the muppet show is on | 09:01 |
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