=== rikai [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-63-64.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ispiked [n=ispiked@unaffiliated/ispiked] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:33] ah sweet stability [03:33] I think the last bcm43xx update fixed my dropped packets that were causing me to reconnect so often [03:38] Rock === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-63-64.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === crimsun [i=nobody@warped.bluecherry.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-63-64.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:12] morning guys === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cjb [n=user@pool-151-203-11-21.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-63-64.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-094-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === CataEnry [n=cataenry@host204-12.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:02] BenC: please pull from my archive when you have time. RedHat Cluster Suite update. [01:02] BenC: i would like to get it in for the next upload [01:03] since it has some nice bug fixes [01:21] sure thing [01:21] is it going to break ABI? [01:33] i don't think so [01:33] you forgot to add the ABI file for amd64-server [01:33] and that's the one i was building [01:33] so diff complained there were no files to diff [01:56] BenC: this kernel is rocking.. [01:56] on all the test arches/machines i only have one regressions that i need to reverify with the latest build [02:12] BenC: You working today? [02:13] jbailey: that's the kind of question that will never get a proper answer :) [02:14] jbailey: considering Ben git commits all the way trough xmas and new year :) [02:14] fabbione: Right. Sort of why I'm not asking him if he's hacking or not. =) [02:14] hehehe [02:14] fabbione: Working is a someone related state, but not the same. =) [02:14] BenC: ah one important thing.. i am going to take my webcam in London, we need to get it working :)))) [02:15] i have the code from some external crap [02:15] but it's not exactly working.. anymore.. used to in .12 [02:15] and the code is a fork of the $cantrememberwhatdriver that we do have [02:15] so perhaps we could do some magic on it [02:19] BenC: Whenever you are back, I wasn't able to find someone over the break who can talk about the asm-ppc/asm-ppc64 integration. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:19] BenC: If you can help me find someone that would be lovely. It's a very simple problem to fix, but will probably break all sorts of things. [02:19] gday [02:19] fabbione: FWIW, with the -10 kernel I haven't seen a crash in a couple of days. [02:20] fabbione: But usually it crashes shortly after I say that. [02:20] jbailey: ask benh? ;) [02:20] fabbione: He wasn't in #ppc64 much over the break. [02:21] jbailey: #kernel === jbailey shudders. [02:21] I'll get beaten for talking about using those headers. =) [02:21] jbailey: ask in /msg ;) [02:22] he'll get slaughtered then [02:22] nah [02:22] not from benh [02:23] I'll /notify on him here for now [02:29] brb...new grub [02:30] oops...wrong machine [02:34] BenC: i think i need a newer firmware [02:34] BenC: i do the iwconfig dance [02:34] ifconfig eth1 up [02:34] and it switches again to 54M [02:35] but if i do again iwconfig rate it works just fine [02:44] weird [02:44] so it's working? [02:45] jbailey: ok, just let me know what you need done [02:45] BenC: more or less yes [02:45] one thing to avoid [02:45] fabbione: can you send me specs on the webcam? [02:46] lsusb out and such [02:46] ifdown foo if your rate is 54Mbit [02:46] BenC: asm-powerpc/signal.h relies on BITS_PER_LONG, which is only defined if __kernel__. [02:46] BenC: i can send you the code that was working on .12 [02:46] BenC: and all the other infos [02:46] i don't have a URL to the specs [02:46] BenC: asm-s390 just seems to pick an arbitrary value for public consumption in their signal.h [02:47] 32 is a good value for ppc I think [02:47] since if it isn't __kernel__, then it's userspace and probably 32-bit [02:48] fabbione: ok, just lsusb output and vendor/model if you can [02:48] BenC: yup [02:48] BenC: Debian has a true 64bit ppc64 port. [02:48] So that doesn't seem actually true. =( [02:48] I wonder if I get mol running on my wife's G5 if she will even notice that I installed ubuntu on it [02:49] BenC: I think it's just leaving buffer space in structs for things, though. In which case the 64 bit one should be fine. [02:49] BenC: mol? [02:49] jbailey: then probably a quick macro test for __powerpc64__ since the compiler should define that [02:49] mac-on-linux [02:49] Oh! I didn't know that existed. [02:50] shit, mol is the bomb [02:50] So far the only mac thing I want is a game that I don't remember what it's called that ran on m68k., =) [02:50] it's not an emulator [02:50] it's a virtual machine (native mostly) [02:50] Ah, cool. [02:50] runs OSX 10.4 easily [02:51] runs in a framebuffer window, and is almost native speed (no graphics accel, but that's ok) [02:51] #ifndef __KERNEL__ [02:51] #ifdef __powerpc64__ [02:52] #define BITS_PER_LONG 64 [02:52] #else [02:52] #define BITS_PER_LONG 32 [02:52] #endif [02:52] #endif [02:52] make that first line "#if defined(__KERNEL__) && !defined(BITS_PER_LONG) [02:52] damnit [02:52] #if !defined(__KERNEL__) && !defined(BITS_PER_LONG) [02:53] yeah, that will work [02:54] gcc -m32 doesn't define __powerpc64__ [02:54] but gcc -m64 does [02:54] jbailey: would you be able to add that to your build, or do I need to put it in the actual headers? [02:55] BenC: It should be in the actual headers, otherwise anything that uses signal.h will break. [02:55] ok, adding it now for 10.16 [02:55] Thanks. === CataEnry [n=cataenry@host32-70.pool873.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:57] BenC: new crack for you === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:55] vi brb === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-107-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-63-64.port.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["later."] === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-63-64.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:31] heylo [04:37] BenC: [04:37] -Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu12 dpkg-dev_1.13.10ubuntu4 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu13 gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 g++-4.0_4.0.1- [04:37] 4ubuntu9 binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu5 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 [04:37] +Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu12 dpkg-dev_1.13.10ubuntu4 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu13 gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 g++-4.0_4.0.1- [04:37] 4ubuntu9 binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu6 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 [04:37] spot the difference... [04:41] binutils? [04:41] and now: [04:41] Checking correctness of source dependencies... [04:41] -Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu11 dpkg-dev_1.13.10ubuntu4 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu12 gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 g++-4.0_4.0.1- [04:41] 4ubuntu9 binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu4 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 [04:41] +Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu12 dpkg-dev_1.13.10ubuntu4 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu13 gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 g++-4.0_4.0.1- [04:41] 4ubuntu9 binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu5 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9 [04:42] i am digging into 20771 [04:42] i love battling with grub [04:42] so you think it's a binutils issue? [04:42] the only thing changed between 9.23 and 10.24 is binutils [04:42] now [04:42] binutils changes are trivial [04:42] only packaging stuff [04:42] the second diff is the toolchain info on which binutils has been built [04:43] you might notice clearly that there is more that did change [04:43] is binutils built self contained like gcc (IOW, it gets compiled twice, the second time by itself)? [04:43] i have no idea [04:43] that's doko/elmo question [04:43] maybe binutils compiled itself wrong the second time :) [04:44] it's a possibility that we can't exclude [04:44] ubuntu4 was hppa/sparc specific change [04:44] assuming it was done correctly (and i think so [04:44] -5 was built with -4, and -6 with -5, so it could be that -5 was broken [04:45] ubuntu3 is the first hit with some i386/x64_64 changes [04:45] it's a possibility [04:45] i don't have enough experience to understand binutils [04:46] but there are no differences in the test suite [04:46] at least that i can see with diff -y [04:46] diff -u [04:47] BenC: no, it's the normal build, and then the multiarch build [04:52] BenC: it's the only thing i will have to check when elmo is back [04:52] get old binutils and try to rebuild the kernel [04:52] and see what happens === jouni_ [n=jouni@letku30.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:55] rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr^x^x^x^rxx9~ === jouni_ [n=jouni@letku30.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:55] upss [04:56] damn this sucks, mol wont run on G5(64-bit), and development on it seems pretty dead for over a year now [04:57] will a G5 run 32-bit kernel? === jouni_ [n=jouni@letku30.adsl.netsonic.fi] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Lhdss"] [04:58] BenC: yes, but it's not very stable and upstream doesn't support it anymore [04:58] that's why we had the changes between hoary and breezy with power3/power4 into powerpc64-smp [05:00] that reminds me, I want to make yaboot choose the correct kernel based on 64-bit/32-bit [05:00] 2 [05:00] oops [05:01] amazing how much yaboot code is like silo [05:03] BenC: ahhaha did they copy it? [05:04] BenC: I've got the SD driver running fairly stable now (though still stupidly slow), so I'll probably submit that to you soon [05:06] fabbione: yeah, yaboot was based on silo [05:06] mjg59: ok, thanks [05:06] ehhehe [05:21] Anyone intimitely familiar with x86 around? === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-63-64.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:42] mjg59: I cuddled my new laptop about 6 years ago. About 15 years ago I remember cuddling my first 486. [05:42] mjg59: It's a long and sordid history. I don't know if she's told me all her secrets or not, though. === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:34] Is suspend to ram on a desktop supposed to work? For fun I suspended my wife's machine and it doesn't resume. [06:34] my suspend too [06:34] it dies on resume :) [06:35] Ah, okay. [06:35] Just thinking how nice it would be to have instant-on for my desktop machines. =) [06:36] It's "supposed" to work [06:36] But will tend to fail for much the same reasons as on laptops === CataEnry [n=cataenry@host27-1.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:55] mjg59: Ah, cool. [06:56] mjg59: Do the tweaks you do to acpi for laptops generally make things better all around, or are they often specific deviant modes for specific models? [06:58] They generally make things better all around [06:58] But it would be nice to know how it fails on desktops [06:59] Is there a way I can get more information out of the box other than "solid red light, doesn't take the monitor out of green mode"? [07:00] s/red/harddrive/ [07:02] Heh [07:02] Serial console? [07:15] 'k. I'll try that next time. [07:15] See if I get anything off of it at all. === jbailey afk's to watch a show. [07:16] You might need to hack wakeup.S to reprogram the serial port === jouni__ [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:01] anyone with a G3? [08:01] I need to see "cat /proc/device-tree/compatible" [08:02] Yeah, hang on. [08:08] mjg59: But otherwise does it already send status messages there? [08:13] jbailey: No, you need console=ttyS0,9600n1 (or something) [08:13] Oh right, so it's just the usual kernel messages. [08:13] Is there any other special debugging worth turning on? [08:14] CONFIG_PM_DEBUG, possibly [08:14] 'k [08:14] I think Angie's away next weekend, so her machine will be free to break then. [08:17] BenC: Mine contains "PowerBook2,1^@MacRISC^@Power Macintosh^@". [08:17] cjb: cool, thanks [08:37] Ack. === cjb hears that two friends who've been together for years and years broke up over Christmas. :/ [08:39] heh...my wife and i at were at each others throats.. === cjb weighs up holiday stress vs. presents. [08:40] presents are better than strees no doubt [08:41] I mean, whether having presents makes up for the holiday stress and makes Christmas worthwhile rather than annoying. :) [08:41] heh..brb...new grub === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:45] bleah.. === CataEnry [n=cataenry@host27-1.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:01] oh goody the muppet show is on === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === crimsun [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-156-131-188.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel