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| TTT_Travis | Hi, I installed ubuntu server, but all that installed was the base how do I install all of the programs that come with it? | 02:45 |
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| TTT_Travis | nevermind | 02:46 |
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| justin82 | hey all | 03:09 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 06:16 |
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| Pygi | ho Valandil | 01:58 |
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| Valandil | hi Pygi :) | 03:26 |
| Pygi | ho Valandil | 03:27 |
| Valandil | :) | 03:27 |
| Pygi | now, wanna support me becoming a member by voting for me at that council or whatever? :) | 03:28 |
| Valandil | hum? could You explain please? | 03:28 |
| === Valandil is a little slow today | ||
| Pygi | huh, nothin' important :P | 03:29 |
| Valandil | no, I mean, I don't understand, what You whish... You mean, member of ubuntu? | 03:31 |
| Pygi | yesh :P | 03:32 |
| Valandil | and how can I support this? | 03:32 |
| Valandil | (sorry, I did not have the time yet, to analyze ubuntu-internal procedures. I'm just working on distributing ubuntu and collecting proposals for ubuntu-server) | 03:34 |
| Pygi | huh, doesn't matter as I said :P | 03:34 |
| Valandil | btw: my first productive ubuntu-server is online since yesterday | 03:34 |
| Pygi | hehe, congrats | 03:35 |
| Valandil | and if it seems to be stable, the others will follow | 03:35 |
| Valandil | by now I have big problems with MaxDB | 03:36 |
| Valandil | thx :) | 03:36 |
| Pygi | huh, what's wrong with MaxDB? | 03:36 |
| Valandil | if it doesn't work on ubuntu, I have to see :( | 03:36 |
| fabbione | it's in universe.... | 03:36 |
| Valandil | it won't start | 03:36 |
| fabbione | i doubt somebody even looked at it | 03:36 |
| Valandil | wahttpd crashes with segfault | 03:36 |
| Valandil | hmmm | 03:37 |
| Valandil | I use it productive since 2003 on debian woody | 03:37 |
| Pygi | :/ | 03:37 |
| Valandil | I built adaptive packgages for it, but in debian noone was interested :( So I was my own mantainer ;) | 03:38 |
| Pygi | :/ | 03:39 |
| Pygi | huh, offer it to the MOTU's? | 03:47 |
| Valandil | Pygi: since it is in universe - does it have no mantainer? or where ca I find the Contact to mantainer? I looked in Database, but there is nothing written about mantainer | 03:47 |
| Pygi | well, then you can take it over :) | 03:47 |
| Valandil | yes, this was my intention :) | 03:47 |
| Pygi | if you are a MOTU :) | 03:47 |
| Pygi | let's go to MOTU, and I'll back you up :P | 03:47 |
| Pygi | #ubuntu-motu | 03:47 |
| Valandil | mom, telephone... | 03:48 |
| Pygi | huh,k, tell once ur back | 03:59 |
| Valandil | Pygi: I'm back | 04:34 |
| Pygi | k | 04:34 |
| Valandil | sorry, was my main customer - and the 'new year briefing' ;) | 04:34 |
| Pygi | so come to motu if u want :p | 04:34 |
| Pygi | np | 04:34 |
| Valandil | I'd like to, but I'm not shure, if I'm good enough... | 04:35 |
| Valandil | I'm yust a server-fanatic student ;) | 04:35 |
| Valandil | but I'd do my very best... | 04:35 |
| Pygi | :) | 04:35 |
| Valandil | went to #ubuntu-motu | 04:36 |
| Pygi | k, now say it :) | 04:37 |
| Valandil | say what? 'I want to take over a package'? (or samething like that)? | 04:39 |
| Valandil | *getting red* | 04:39 |
| Pygi | yesh :P | 04:39 |
| Valandil | ;) | 04:47 |
| Pygi | they are silent :/ | 04:47 |
| Valandil | then I will wait :) | 04:48 |
| Valandil | My work will take several hours, so no Prob ;) | 04:48 |
| Pygi | hehe :) | 04:48 |
| spike | hi there | 04:54 |
| Pygi | hi spike | 04:55 |
| Valandil | hi spike :) | 04:58 |
| fabbione | hey guys | 04:58 |
| Pygi | hey fabbione | 04:58 |
| fabbione | who feels to contribute 5 minutes of time? | 04:59 |
| spike | lo fabbione | 04:59 |
| Valandil | hi fabbione | 04:59 |
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| === Valandil too | ||
| fabbione | perfect | 04:59 |
| fabbione | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy <- | 04:59 |
| fabbione | Third party software inclusion <- | 05:00 |
| Pygi | huh, so you don't need me :P | 05:00 |
| fabbione | we need to create the list mentioned there | 05:00 |
| fabbione | who wants to be in charge of it? | 05:00 |
| fabbione | and start mailing also ubuntu-server | 05:00 |
| spike | expected deadline? | 05:01 |
| spike | besides the canned "asap" :) | 05:01 |
| Pygi | hm, 10 years? :) | 05:02 |
| fabbione | i would say to have a list to start from in a week? | 05:02 |
| fabbione | max 2 weeks | 05:02 |
| fabbione | spike: i am not asking to do the full list | 05:02 |
| fabbione | but start it | 05:02 |
| fabbione | put it in the wiki | 05:02 |
| fabbione | post the page on the mailing list | 05:02 |
| fabbione | and let the others add their piece of software | 05:02 |
| fabbione | it's virtually impossible to know all of them by one person | 05:03 |
| fabbione | Valandil, spike: can i count on you for this work? | 05:04 |
| fabbione | i mean.. | 05:04 |
| fabbione | to start the list of tools | 05:04 |
| fabbione | i don't expect you to run and check everything | 05:04 |
| Valandil | just a sec, still reading (my english, You remember? ;) ) | 05:04 |
| spike | fabbione: yeah, already have a few of e | 05:04 |
| spike | 'em noted down along the time from debian-isp | 05:05 |
| spike | fabbione: I'll go and setup myself an account on the wiki, havent got one so far | 05:05 |
| fabbione | spike: ok cool | 05:05 |
| fabbione | spike: best to do is to create a wiki page, link it from the main servercandy page | 05:05 |
| fabbione | and post the url to the mailing list | 05:05 |
| spike | fabbione: but I'm definitely in the 2 weeks time slot, not one sorry, have some more travelling scheduled in the next week and stuff to do since I just moved. but I'll definitely do it, I planned to start contributing anyway with the new year | 05:06 |
| spike | fabbione: sure, I'll go that way | 05:06 |
| fabbione | spike: perfect | 05:07 |
| Pygi | fabbione: how is this going along? | 05:08 |
| Pygi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates | 05:08 |
| fabbione | spike: i suggest to open the page asap, even with one entry only.. and post it | 05:08 |
| fabbione | so people will have time to start adding stuff to it | 05:08 |
| fabbione | spike: the rest will come on its own (i hope) | 05:08 |
| fabbione | Pygi: no idea. you need to ask to who is in charge (see launchpad entry) | 05:08 |
| spike | fabbione: I'll take some time to add stuff about automation too, guess I have got something to say about it, and I'd definitely love to see more of that in ubuntu | 05:09 |
| spike | which is actually linked to that page Pygi just mentioned | 05:09 |
| fabbione | automatation? | 05:10 |
| fabbione | i only nees "Third party software inclusion" for now | 05:10 |
| fabbione | from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy | 05:10 |
| Pygi | fabbione: that page in launchpad seems to be erased :/ | 05:10 |
| fabbione | Pygi: iirc it's mvo that is doing that spec | 05:10 |
| spike | fabbione: well, ok, saw the page Pygi posted and thought of mentioning it. imho, they're wasting time on that. there are already *good* tools, production quality,that do that | 05:11 |
| spike | u don't really need to spend time redesigning and implementing a new one | 05:12 |
| fabbione | spike: you want to tell that in the page :) | 05:12 |
| fabbione | really | 05:12 |
| fabbione | i don't follow each single subprojhect in ubuntu | 05:12 |
| fabbione | i would need 96 hours a day to do so | 05:12 |
| spike | ok, I have no idea about how things really work in the ubuntu team, sorry | 05:12 |
| fabbione | spike: eheh no problem :) | 05:13 |
| spike | started collecting a few info about motu a week ago or so | 05:13 |
| Pygi | fabbione:heh, I shall candidate myself for a member on next meeting :P | 05:13 |
| fabbione | Pygi: you should first produce high quality contribution.. a mail to -server isn't enough.. really | 05:13 |
| Pygi | hehe :) | 05:14 |
| fabbione | you need to do a bit more, get known by the community | 05:14 |
| fabbione | and so on | 05:14 |
| Pygi | huh, I am "known" :) | 05:14 |
| fabbione | it's a suggestion to avoid you the pain to go there a few times for nothing | 05:14 |
| Pygi | ah, ok, nevermind | 05:14 |
| Pygi | k, thanks :P | 05:14 |
| Valandil | fabbione: I'll try to. by now I'm not yet shure, what exactly You want... but I think, I have a idea of what You want ;) | 05:17 |
| fabbione | Valandil: i want a list of proprietary tools that it would be nice to have on CD | 05:18 |
| fabbione | or extremely easy to install | 05:18 |
| fabbione | like for example: tool from company FOO to manage their special RAID controller | 05:18 |
| fabbione | but we need a list of these tools | 05:18 |
| Valandil | OK, got it | 05:18 |
| Valandil | OK, I'll do my part. But I don't use much of proprietary stuff, so I'm not really best address for this ;) | 05:20 |
| Pygi | fabbione: please kick me out of server team, thanks | 05:23 |
| fabbione | Pygi: why? | 05:23 |
| Pygi | fabbione: 'cause I am, and I obviously won't do nothin', so no point in continuing this.... | 05:24 |
| fabbione | Pygi: dude.. stop and think one minute, ok? | 05:24 |
| fabbione | to be an ubuntu memeber with upload privileges | 05:24 |
| fabbione | you need at least to have some experience with packaging | 05:25 |
| Pygi | fabbione: huh, yes, I do understand | 05:25 |
| fabbione | and i can tell you that people in the different teams that do check on other people | 05:25 |
| fabbione | will look at that | 05:25 |
| Pygi | fabbione: no problem with that :P | 05:25 |
| fabbione | hence my suggestion to do something more | 05:25 |
| fabbione | that does not mean you need to vaporize yourself with a garbage disintegrator | 05:25 |
| fabbione | it's a suggestion to start to contribute more | 05:25 |
| fabbione | and become a memeber | 05:25 |
| fabbione | just do it in the right steps | 05:26 |
| fabbione | so that you will SCORE a success on the first attempt | 05:26 |
| Pygi | huh, I tried contributing at start with InstantServer, and nothin' happened out of that because none actually wanted to work :/ | 05:26 |
| Pygi | it actually doesn't matter to me if I am member or not... | 05:27 |
| fabbione | yes i remember the Instant server thing | 05:27 |
| fabbione | but i don't think it's good to just give up like this | 05:28 |
| fabbione | try and see | 05:28 |
| fabbione | it's not like i have a fetish need to kick people out of the team | 05:28 |
| fabbione | it doesn't give me any personal satisfaction.. you know ;) | 05:28 |
| Pygi | huh, yesh, I do understand you don't wanna kick no one, but I was accepted into team just for that instant thingy :/ | 05:28 |
| Pygi | And as I ain't doing on it anymore, .... | 05:28 |
| fabbione | Pygi: try to do something else :) | 05:29 |
| fabbione | there are so many things to do | 05:29 |
| fabbione | like the list that spike and Valandil will start to work on | 05:29 |
| fabbione | it's not a 2 person thing | 05:29 |
| fabbione | and it's something you could as well do | 05:29 |
| fabbione | browing sites to find them might even be fun | 05:29 |
| fabbione | browsing | 05:29 |
| Pygi | g | 05:29 |
| Pygi | heh* | 05:30 |
| fabbione | i have issues to go and look at some websites.. i get this irrestable need of buying everything :P | 05:30 |
| Pygi | hehe :) | 05:30 |
| Valandil | *lol* | 05:30 |
| fabbione | and i am sure my wife is not ready yet for a SUN e25k in the house | 05:30 |
| fabbione | neither is my bank account, but i can still trade my wife ;) | 05:31 |
| Pygi | fabbione: I believe you understand why and what I am doin' .... You are also a developer, andyou wouldn't like to do something where development is not involved :P | 05:31 |
| Pygi | and lol :) | 05:31 |
| fabbione | Pygi: if you want to develop for real.. want to start to look at "Provide a RCS /etc out of the box" | 05:32 |
| fabbione | and see if we can get somewhere using shell scripts? | 05:32 |
| fabbione | perhaps something modular that we can plug in different RCS? | 05:32 |
| fabbione | that will require some code writing | 05:32 |
| Pygi | huh, as I said fabbione, please kick me out of team... | 05:33 |
| Pygi | thats better for everyone... | 05:33 |
| fabbione | ok remind me in a couple of days when i will spend time on launchpad | 05:33 |
| Pygi | k | 05:33 |
| fabbione | so perhaps you have time to think again about it | 05:33 |
| Valandil | Pygi: perhaps You could find also fun in 'baby-sitting' ;-) I could need someone, who takes me by hand... I'd like to work, but I don't know how :( | 05:34 |
| Pygi | huh :P | 05:34 |
| Valandil | no, really - I'm admin, but I'm defnitely not experienced in developing things for public | 05:35 |
| Pygi | Valandil: well, you see, I am developing all the time something :P | 05:36 |
| Valandil | Pygi: ;-) so You'd be a perfect mentor ;) | 05:37 |
| Valandil | Pygi: No, to be serious: it was just an idea | 05:37 |
| Pygi | heh, what would you wanna know? coding? in what language? | 05:38 |
| Valandil | all languages ;) | 05:38 |
| spike | included the universal language of love | 05:38 |
| Valandil | I love shell-scripts, perl and c, but in c i'm just starting | 05:39 |
| Valandil | spike: *lol* | 05:39 |
| Pygi | well, in those I could assist you in C, and shell scripts | 05:39 |
| Valandil | but I think my main problem is, how to work for ubuntu / public/... | 05:39 |
| Pygi | can help you in python as well | 05:39 |
| Pygi | valandil: go fix keyboard change error | 05:40 |
| Valandil | python is very interesting, but never had the time | 05:40 |
| === Pygi would like to do that, but don't know where to get code and where to send patches :) | ||
| Valandil | I don't even know anything about this error | 05:41 |
| Valandil | what do You mean? | 05:41 |
| Pygi | well, changing keyboard layout in that gnome utility doesn't work :P | 05:41 |
| Pygi | thats the bug :P | 05:42 |
| Valandil | *uurgh* gnome :( ... OK, I will take a look on this... | 05:42 |
| Pygi | thats easy to fix, and you will learn :) | 05:43 |
| Valandil | OK :) I'll do my very best | 05:43 |
| Valandil | but why did You say, You caqn't get the code? | 05:43 |
| Valandil | isn't it in the sources-package? | 05:44 |
| Pygi | I don't know where to get ubuntu code :P | 05:44 |
| spike | is this #ubuntu-server, isnt it? why on earth u'd want to spend time on fixing a gnome related issue? | 05:44 |
| Pygi | ok, excuse me spike :P | 05:44 |
| Pygi | now I'll go not to bother anyone again | 05:45 |
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| Valandil | ooops | 05:46 |
| spike | what? | 05:46 |
| Valandil | hmmm feel a little uncomfortable right now... | 05:47 |
| spike | Valandil: u shouldnt at all | 05:48 |
| Valandil | spike: could be... fell like a little boy ;) | 05:49 |
| spike | Valandil: if he cant act differently than a 13teen kid living in a cruel world that doesnt accept him as a 1337 member of motu it's not ur fault | 05:50 |
| Valandil | could be ;) | 05:50 |
| Valandil | but more or less I feel anyway like al little boy who opened the door to the great wide world ;) | 05:51 |
| Valandil | but I have planned to grow up :)) | 05:52 |
| spike | Valandil: the best advice I can give u then is get a plan and stick to that. jumping among things like u were gonna do with this gnome keyboard thing is just a waste of time for everybody | 05:55 |
| spike | Valandil: what do u wanna do? | 05:56 |
| spike | and dont tell me "programming" :) | 05:56 |
| Valandil | spike: I'd like to do some effective work. This has two reasons: I work productive with linux for several years, and I'd like to give something back to community. And second: | 05:58 |
| Valandil | I need some things for my servers, where I put work into. Why should I waste my work only for me? I could give it to others. | 06:00 |
| Valandil | for this, I need experience in maintaining - and that I don't have | 06:01 |
| Valandil | so I need a mentor or someone like that, who tells me: do this or that, and then You can use it like this, and so on... | 06:02 |
| spike | Valandil: "effective work" is the same as "programming" :) | 06:02 |
| Valandil | spike: not what I meant | 06:02 |
| Valandil | I meant, some work, not only I have benefit from | 06:03 |
| spike | dude, that doesnt mean anything either. what re u talking about? packaging/coding ur own software/tools u use on ur machines? | 06:04 |
| Valandil | if You tell me for example that You need some recherches on some topic, to help Your Project, I wold say: OK, I'll take part | 06:04 |
| Valandil | I just don't know _what_ would be useful | 06:04 |
| Valandil | so the list for fabbione is something I can do, because he told me what he's looking for | 06:05 |
| segfault | calm down. | 06:05 |
| Valandil | You know, all I need is orientation. World of linux / ubuntu is far too wide ... | 06:05 |
| Valandil | I'm as calm as I could be ;) | 06:06 |
| Valandil | segfault: sorry, didn't want to do flaming in here... | 06:06 |
| segfault | hehe | 06:08 |
| segfault | just kidding | 06:08 |
| segfault | :) | 06:08 |
| Valandil | OK :-) | 06:09 |
| Valandil | brb (hope so) --> reboot | 06:13 |
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| Valandil | re :) | 06:21 |
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| spike | I cant believe this telco installs router @ offices with web interface by default open on the nic facing the net | 06:55 |
| spike | default user/pwd of course, but I wasnt even asking for that much... | 06:56 |
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| Valandil | brb --> reboot (I hate 2.6) | 08:29 |
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