=== TTT_Travis [n=Travis@bal-broadband2-ws-247.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:45] Hi, I installed ubuntu server, but all that installed was the base how do I install all of the programs that come with it? [02:46] nevermind === justin82 [n=hyde@cpe-24-165-134-88.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:09] hey all === TTT_Travis [n=Travis@bal-broadband2-ws-247.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:16] morning guys === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-169-231.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-245-152.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-165-72.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-103-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:58] ho Valandil === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-254-167.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:26] hi Pygi :) [03:27] ho Valandil [03:27] :) [03:28] now, wanna support me becoming a member by voting for me at that council or whatever? :) [03:28] hum? could You explain please? === Valandil is a little slow today [03:29] huh, nothin' important :P [03:31] no, I mean, I don't understand, what You whish... You mean, member of ubuntu? [03:32] yesh :P [03:32] and how can I support this? [03:34] (sorry, I did not have the time yet, to analyze ubuntu-internal procedures. I'm just working on distributing ubuntu and collecting proposals for ubuntu-server) [03:34] huh, doesn't matter as I said :P [03:34] btw: my first productive ubuntu-server is online since yesterday [03:35] hehe, congrats [03:35] and if it seems to be stable, the others will follow [03:36] by now I have big problems with MaxDB [03:36] thx :) [03:36] huh, what's wrong with MaxDB? [03:36] if it doesn't work on ubuntu, I have to see :( [03:36] it's in universe.... [03:36] it won't start [03:36] i doubt somebody even looked at it [03:36] wahttpd crashes with segfault [03:37] hmmm [03:37] I use it productive since 2003 on debian woody [03:37] :/ [03:38] I built adaptive packgages for it, but in debian noone was interested :( So I was my own mantainer ;) [03:39] :/ [03:47] huh, offer it to the MOTU's? [03:47] Pygi: since it is in universe - does it have no mantainer? or where ca I find the Contact to mantainer? I looked in Database, but there is nothing written about mantainer [03:47] well, then you can take it over :) [03:47] yes, this was my intention :) [03:47] if you are a MOTU :) [03:47] let's go to MOTU, and I'll back you up :P [03:47] #ubuntu-motu [03:48] mom, telephone... [03:59] huh,k, tell once ur back [04:34] Pygi: I'm back [04:34] k [04:34] sorry, was my main customer - and the 'new year briefing' ;) [04:34] so come to motu if u want :p [04:34] np [04:35] I'd like to, but I'm not shure, if I'm good enough... [04:35] I'm yust a server-fanatic student ;) [04:35] but I'd do my very best... [04:35] :) [04:36] went to #ubuntu-motu [04:37] k, now say it :) [04:39] say what? 'I want to take over a package'? (or samething like that)? [04:39] *getting red* [04:39] yesh :P [04:47] ;) [04:47] they are silent :/ [04:48] then I will wait :) [04:48] My work will take several hours, so no Prob ;) [04:48] hehe :) [04:54] hi there [04:55] hi spike [04:58] hi spike :) [04:58] hey guys [04:58] hey fabbione [04:59] who feels to contribute 5 minutes of time? [04:59] lo fabbione [04:59] hi fabbione === spike raises his hand === Valandil too [04:59] perfect [04:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy <- [05:00] Third party software inclusion <- [05:00] huh, so you don't need me :P [05:00] we need to create the list mentioned there [05:00] who wants to be in charge of it? [05:00] and start mailing also ubuntu-server [05:01] expected deadline? [05:01] besides the canned "asap" :) [05:02] hm, 10 years? :) [05:02] i would say to have a list to start from in a week? [05:02] max 2 weeks [05:02] spike: i am not asking to do the full list [05:02] but start it [05:02] put it in the wiki [05:02] post the page on the mailing list [05:02] and let the others add their piece of software [05:03] it's virtually impossible to know all of them by one person [05:04] Valandil, spike: can i count on you for this work? [05:04] i mean.. [05:04] to start the list of tools [05:04] i don't expect you to run and check everything [05:04] just a sec, still reading (my english, You remember? ;) ) [05:04] fabbione: yeah, already have a few of e [05:05] 'em noted down along the time from debian-isp [05:05] fabbione: I'll go and setup myself an account on the wiki, havent got one so far [05:05] spike: ok cool [05:05] spike: best to do is to create a wiki page, link it from the main servercandy page [05:05] and post the url to the mailing list [05:06] fabbione: but I'm definitely in the 2 weeks time slot, not one sorry, have some more travelling scheduled in the next week and stuff to do since I just moved. but I'll definitely do it, I planned to start contributing anyway with the new year [05:06] fabbione: sure, I'll go that way [05:07] spike: perfect [05:08] fabbione: how is this going along? [05:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates [05:08] spike: i suggest to open the page asap, even with one entry only.. and post it [05:08] so people will have time to start adding stuff to it [05:08] spike: the rest will come on its own (i hope) [05:08] Pygi: no idea. you need to ask to who is in charge (see launchpad entry) [05:09] fabbione: I'll take some time to add stuff about automation too, guess I have got something to say about it, and I'd definitely love to see more of that in ubuntu [05:09] which is actually linked to that page Pygi just mentioned [05:10] automatation? [05:10] i only nees "Third party software inclusion" for now [05:10] from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy [05:10] fabbione: that page in launchpad seems to be erased :/ [05:10] Pygi: iirc it's mvo that is doing that spec [05:11] fabbione: well, ok, saw the page Pygi posted and thought of mentioning it. imho, they're wasting time on that. there are already *good* tools, production quality,that do that [05:12] u don't really need to spend time redesigning and implementing a new one [05:12] spike: you want to tell that in the page :) [05:12] really [05:12] i don't follow each single subprojhect in ubuntu [05:12] i would need 96 hours a day to do so [05:12] ok, I have no idea about how things really work in the ubuntu team, sorry [05:13] spike: eheh no problem :) [05:13] started collecting a few info about motu a week ago or so [05:13] fabbione:heh, I shall candidate myself for a member on next meeting :P [05:13] Pygi: you should first produce high quality contribution.. a mail to -server isn't enough.. really [05:14] hehe :) [05:14] you need to do a bit more, get known by the community [05:14] and so on [05:14] huh, I am "known" :) [05:14] it's a suggestion to avoid you the pain to go there a few times for nothing [05:14] ah, ok, nevermind [05:14] k, thanks :P [05:17] fabbione: I'll try to. by now I'm not yet shure, what exactly You want... but I think, I have a idea of what You want ;) [05:18] Valandil: i want a list of proprietary tools that it would be nice to have on CD [05:18] or extremely easy to install [05:18] like for example: tool from company FOO to manage their special RAID controller [05:18] but we need a list of these tools [05:18] OK, got it [05:20] OK, I'll do my part. But I don't use much of proprietary stuff, so I'm not really best address for this ;) [05:23] fabbione: please kick me out of server team, thanks [05:23] Pygi: why? [05:24] fabbione: 'cause I am, and I obviously won't do nothin', so no point in continuing this.... [05:24] Pygi: dude.. stop and think one minute, ok? [05:24] to be an ubuntu memeber with upload privileges [05:25] you need at least to have some experience with packaging [05:25] fabbione: huh, yes, I do understand [05:25] and i can tell you that people in the different teams that do check on other people [05:25] will look at that [05:25] fabbione: no problem with that :P [05:25] hence my suggestion to do something more [05:25] that does not mean you need to vaporize yourself with a garbage disintegrator [05:25] it's a suggestion to start to contribute more [05:25] and become a memeber [05:26] just do it in the right steps [05:26] so that you will SCORE a success on the first attempt [05:26] huh, I tried contributing at start with InstantServer, and nothin' happened out of that because none actually wanted to work :/ [05:27] it actually doesn't matter to me if I am member or not... [05:27] yes i remember the Instant server thing [05:28] but i don't think it's good to just give up like this [05:28] try and see [05:28] it's not like i have a fetish need to kick people out of the team [05:28] it doesn't give me any personal satisfaction.. you know ;) [05:28] huh, yesh, I do understand you don't wanna kick no one, but I was accepted into team just for that instant thingy :/ [05:28] And as I ain't doing on it anymore, .... [05:29] Pygi: try to do something else :) [05:29] there are so many things to do [05:29] like the list that spike and Valandil will start to work on [05:29] it's not a 2 person thing [05:29] and it's something you could as well do [05:29] browing sites to find them might even be fun [05:29] browsing [05:29] g [05:30] heh* [05:30] i have issues to go and look at some websites.. i get this irrestable need of buying everything :P [05:30] hehe :) [05:30] *lol* [05:30] and i am sure my wife is not ready yet for a SUN e25k in the house [05:31] neither is my bank account, but i can still trade my wife ;) [05:31] fabbione: I believe you understand why and what I am doin' .... You are also a developer, andyou wouldn't like to do something where development is not involved :P [05:31] and lol :) [05:32] Pygi: if you want to develop for real.. want to start to look at "Provide a RCS /etc out of the box" [05:32] and see if we can get somewhere using shell scripts? [05:32] perhaps something modular that we can plug in different RCS? [05:32] that will require some code writing [05:33] huh, as I said fabbione, please kick me out of team... [05:33] thats better for everyone... [05:33] ok remind me in a couple of days when i will spend time on launchpad [05:33] k [05:33] so perhaps you have time to think again about it [05:34] Pygi: perhaps You could find also fun in 'baby-sitting' ;-) I could need someone, who takes me by hand... I'd like to work, but I don't know how :( [05:34] huh :P [05:35] no, really - I'm admin, but I'm defnitely not experienced in developing things for public [05:36] Valandil: well, you see, I am developing all the time something :P [05:37] Pygi: ;-) so You'd be a perfect mentor ;) [05:37] Pygi: No, to be serious: it was just an idea [05:38] heh, what would you wanna know? coding? in what language? [05:38] all languages ;) [05:38] included the universal language of love [05:39] I love shell-scripts, perl and c, but in c i'm just starting [05:39] spike: *lol* [05:39] well, in those I could assist you in C, and shell scripts [05:39] but I think my main problem is, how to work for ubuntu / public/... [05:39] can help you in python as well [05:40] valandil: go fix keyboard change error [05:40] python is very interesting, but never had the time === Pygi would like to do that, but don't know where to get code and where to send patches :) [05:41] I don't even know anything about this error [05:41] what do You mean? [05:41] well, changing keyboard layout in that gnome utility doesn't work :P [05:42] thats the bug :P [05:42] *uurgh* gnome :( ... OK, I will take a look on this... [05:43] thats easy to fix, and you will learn :) [05:43] OK :) I'll do my very best [05:43] but why did You say, You caqn't get the code? [05:44] isn't it in the sources-package? [05:44] I don't know where to get ubuntu code :P [05:44] is this #ubuntu-server, isnt it? why on earth u'd want to spend time on fixing a gnome related issue? [05:44] ok, excuse me spike :P [05:45] now I'll go not to bother anyone again === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-254-167.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-server ["Download] === spike shrugs [05:46] ooops [05:46] what? [05:47] hmmm feel a little uncomfortable right now... [05:48] Valandil: u shouldnt at all [05:49] spike: could be... fell like a little boy ;) [05:50] Valandil: if he cant act differently than a 13teen kid living in a cruel world that doesnt accept him as a 1337 member of motu it's not ur fault [05:50] could be ;) [05:51] but more or less I feel anyway like al little boy who opened the door to the great wide world ;) [05:52] but I have planned to grow up :)) [05:55] Valandil: the best advice I can give u then is get a plan and stick to that. jumping among things like u were gonna do with this gnome keyboard thing is just a waste of time for everybody [05:56] Valandil: what do u wanna do? [05:56] and dont tell me "programming" :) [05:58] spike: I'd like to do some effective work. This has two reasons: I work productive with linux for several years, and I'd like to give something back to community. And second: [06:00] I need some things for my servers, where I put work into. Why should I waste my work only for me? I could give it to others. [06:01] for this, I need experience in maintaining - and that I don't have [06:02] so I need a mentor or someone like that, who tells me: do this or that, and then You can use it like this, and so on... [06:02] Valandil: "effective work" is the same as "programming" :) [06:02] spike: not what I meant [06:03] I meant, some work, not only I have benefit from [06:04] dude, that doesnt mean anything either. what re u talking about? packaging/coding ur own software/tools u use on ur machines? [06:04] if You tell me for example that You need some recherches on some topic, to help Your Project, I wold say: OK, I'll take part [06:04] I just don't know _what_ would be useful [06:05] so the list for fabbione is something I can do, because he told me what he's looking for [06:05] calm down. [06:05] You know, all I need is orientation. World of linux / ubuntu is far too wide ... [06:06] I'm as calm as I could be ;) [06:06] segfault: sorry, didn't want to do flaming in here... [06:08] hehe [06:08] just kidding [06:08] :) [06:09] OK :-) [06:13] brb (hope so) --> reboot === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-103-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:21] re :) === spike shrugs [06:55] I cant believe this telco installs router @ offices with web interface by default open on the nic facing the net [06:56] default user/pwd of course, but I wasnt even asking for that much... === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:29] brb --> reboot (I hate 2.6) === blue-frog [n=james@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-254-229.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === bluefrog-10 [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #ubuntu-server