[02:45] <TTT_Travis> Hi, I installed ubuntu server, but all that installed was the base how do I install all of the programs that come with it?
[02:46] <TTT_Travis> nevermind
[03:09] <justin82> hey all
[06:16] <fabbione> morning guys
[01:58] <Pygi> ho Valandil
[03:26] <Valandil> hi Pygi :)
[03:27] <Pygi> ho Valandil
[03:27] <Valandil> :)
[03:28] <Pygi> now, wanna support me becoming a member by voting for me at that council or whatever? :)
[03:28] <Valandil> hum? could You explain please?
[03:29] <Pygi> huh, nothin' important :P
[03:31] <Valandil> no, I mean, I don't understand, what You whish... You mean, member of ubuntu?
[03:32] <Pygi> yesh :P
[03:32] <Valandil> and how can I support this?
[03:34] <Valandil> (sorry, I did not have the time yet, to analyze ubuntu-internal procedures. I'm just working on distributing ubuntu and collecting proposals for ubuntu-server)
[03:34] <Pygi> huh, doesn't matter as I said :P
[03:34] <Valandil> btw: my first productive ubuntu-server is online since yesterday
[03:35] <Pygi> hehe, congrats
[03:35] <Valandil> and if it seems to be stable, the others will follow
[03:36] <Valandil> by now I have big problems with MaxDB
[03:36] <Valandil> thx :)
[03:36] <Pygi> huh, what's wrong with MaxDB?
[03:36] <Valandil> if it doesn't work on ubuntu, I have to see :(
[03:36] <fabbione> it's in universe....
[03:36] <Valandil> it won't start
[03:36] <fabbione> i doubt somebody even looked at it
[03:36] <Valandil> wahttpd crashes with segfault
[03:37] <Valandil> hmmm
[03:37] <Valandil> I use it productive since 2003 on debian woody
[03:37] <Pygi> :/
[03:38] <Valandil> I built adaptive packgages for it, but in debian noone was interested :( So I was my own mantainer ;)
[03:39] <Pygi> :/
[03:47] <Pygi> huh, offer it to the MOTU's?
[03:47] <Valandil> Pygi: since it is in universe - does it have no mantainer? or where ca I find the Contact to mantainer? I looked in Database, but there is nothing written about mantainer
[03:47] <Pygi> well, then you can take it over :)
[03:47] <Valandil> yes, this was my intention :)
[03:47] <Pygi> if you are a MOTU :)
[03:47] <Pygi> let's go to MOTU, and I'll back you up :P
[03:47] <Pygi> #ubuntu-motu
[03:48] <Valandil> mom, telephone...
[03:59] <Pygi> huh,k, tell once ur back
[04:34] <Valandil> Pygi: I'm back
[04:34] <Pygi> k
[04:34] <Valandil> sorry, was my main customer - and the 'new year briefing' ;)
[04:34] <Pygi> so come to motu if u want :p
[04:34] <Pygi> np
[04:35] <Valandil> I'd like to, but I'm not shure, if I'm good enough...
[04:35] <Valandil> I'm yust a server-fanatic student ;)
[04:35] <Valandil> but I'd do my very best...
[04:35] <Pygi> :)
[04:36] <Valandil> went to #ubuntu-motu
[04:37] <Pygi> k, now say it :)
[04:39] <Valandil> say what? 'I want to take over a package'? (or samething like that)?
[04:39] <Valandil> *getting red*
[04:39] <Pygi> yesh :P
[04:47] <Valandil> ;)
[04:47] <Pygi> they are silent :/
[04:48] <Valandil> then I will wait :)
[04:48] <Valandil> My work will take several hours, so no Prob ;)
[04:48] <Pygi> hehe :)
[04:54] <spike> hi there
[04:55] <Pygi> hi spike
[04:58] <Valandil> hi spike :)
[04:58] <fabbione> hey guys
[04:58] <Pygi> hey fabbione
[04:59] <fabbione> who feels to contribute 5 minutes of time?
[04:59] <spike> lo fabbione
[04:59] <Valandil> hi fabbione
[04:59] <fabbione> perfect
[04:59] <fabbione> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy <-
[05:00] <fabbione> Third party software inclusion <-
[05:00] <Pygi> huh, so you don't need me :P
[05:00] <fabbione> we need to create the list mentioned there
[05:00] <fabbione> who wants to be in charge of it?
[05:00] <fabbione> and start mailing also ubuntu-server
[05:01] <spike> expected deadline?
[05:01] <spike> besides the canned "asap" :)
[05:02] <Pygi> hm, 10 years? :)
[05:02] <fabbione> i would say to have a list to start from in a week?
[05:02] <fabbione> max 2 weeks
[05:02] <fabbione> spike: i am not asking to do the full list
[05:02] <fabbione> but start it
[05:02] <fabbione> put it in the wiki
[05:02] <fabbione> post the page on the mailing list
[05:02] <fabbione> and let the others add their piece of software
[05:03] <fabbione> it's virtually impossible to know all of them by one person
[05:04] <fabbione> Valandil, spike: can i count on you for this work?
[05:04] <fabbione> i mean..
[05:04] <fabbione> to start the list of tools
[05:04] <fabbione> i don't expect you to run and check everything
[05:04] <Valandil> just a sec, still reading (my english, You remember? ;) )
[05:04] <spike> fabbione: yeah, already have a few of e
[05:05] <spike> 'em noted down along the time from debian-isp
[05:05] <spike> fabbione: I'll go and setup myself an account on the wiki, havent got one so far
[05:05] <fabbione> spike: ok cool
[05:05] <fabbione> spike: best to do is to create a wiki page, link it from the main servercandy page
[05:05] <fabbione> and post the url to the mailing list
[05:06] <spike> fabbione: but I'm definitely in the 2 weeks time slot, not one sorry, have some more travelling scheduled in the next week and stuff to do since I just moved. but I'll definitely do it, I planned to start contributing anyway with the new year
[05:06] <spike> fabbione: sure, I'll go that way
[05:07] <fabbione> spike: perfect
[05:08] <Pygi> fabbione: how is this going along?
[05:08] <Pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates
[05:08] <fabbione> spike:  i suggest to open the page asap, even with one entry only.. and post it
[05:08] <fabbione> so people will have time to start adding stuff to it
[05:08] <fabbione> spike: the rest will come on its own (i hope)
[05:08] <fabbione> Pygi: no idea. you need to ask to who is in charge (see launchpad entry)
[05:09] <spike> fabbione: I'll take some time to add stuff about automation too, guess I have got something to say about it, and I'd definitely love to see more of that in ubuntu
[05:09] <spike> which is actually linked to that page Pygi just mentioned
[05:10] <fabbione> automatation?
[05:10] <fabbione> i only nees "Third party software inclusion" for now
[05:10] <fabbione> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerCandy
[05:10] <Pygi> fabbione: that page in launchpad seems to be erased :/
[05:10] <fabbione> Pygi: iirc it's mvo that is doing that spec
[05:11] <spike> fabbione: well, ok, saw the page Pygi posted and thought of mentioning it. imho, they're wasting time on that. there are already *good* tools, production quality,that do that
[05:12] <spike> u don't really need to spend time redesigning and implementing a new one
[05:12] <fabbione> spike: you want to tell that in the page :)
[05:12] <fabbione> really
[05:12] <fabbione> i don't follow each single subprojhect in ubuntu
[05:12] <fabbione> i would need 96 hours a day to do so
[05:12] <spike> ok, I have no idea about how things really work in the ubuntu team, sorry
[05:13] <fabbione> spike: eheh no problem :)
[05:13] <spike> started collecting a few info about motu a week ago or so
[05:13] <Pygi> fabbione:heh, I shall candidate myself for a member on next meeting :P
[05:13] <fabbione> Pygi: you should first produce high quality contribution.. a mail to -server isn't enough.. really
[05:14] <Pygi> hehe :)
[05:14] <fabbione> you need to do a bit more, get known by the community
[05:14] <fabbione> and so on
[05:14] <Pygi> huh, I am "known" :)
[05:14] <fabbione> it's a suggestion to avoid you the pain to go there a few times for nothing
[05:14] <Pygi> ah, ok, nevermind
[05:14] <Pygi> k, thanks :P
[05:17] <Valandil> fabbione: I'll try to. by now I'm not yet shure, what exactly You want... but I think, I have a idea of what You want ;)
[05:18] <fabbione> Valandil: i want a list of proprietary tools that it would be nice to have on CD
[05:18] <fabbione> or extremely easy to install
[05:18] <fabbione> like for example: tool from company FOO to manage their special RAID controller
[05:18] <fabbione> but we need a list of these tools
[05:18] <Valandil> OK, got it
[05:20] <Valandil> OK, I'll do my part. But I don't use much of proprietary stuff, so I'm not really best address for this ;)
[05:23] <Pygi> fabbione: please kick me out of server team, thanks
[05:23] <fabbione> Pygi: why?
[05:24] <Pygi> fabbione: 'cause I am, and I obviously won't do nothin', so no point in continuing this....
[05:24] <fabbione> Pygi: dude.. stop and think one minute, ok?
[05:24] <fabbione> to be an ubuntu memeber with upload privileges
[05:25] <fabbione> you need at least to have some experience with packaging
[05:25] <Pygi> fabbione: huh, yes, I do understand
[05:25] <fabbione> and i can tell you that people in the different teams that do check on other people
[05:25] <fabbione> will look at that
[05:25] <Pygi> fabbione: no problem with that :P
[05:25] <fabbione> hence my suggestion to do something more
[05:25] <fabbione> that does not mean you need to vaporize yourself with a garbage disintegrator
[05:25] <fabbione> it's a suggestion to start to contribute more
[05:25] <fabbione> and become a memeber
[05:26] <fabbione> just do it in the right steps
[05:26] <fabbione> so that you will SCORE a success on the first attempt
[05:26] <Pygi> huh, I tried contributing at start with InstantServer, and nothin' happened out of that because none actually wanted to work :/
[05:27] <Pygi> it actually doesn't matter to me if I am member or not...
[05:27] <fabbione> yes i remember the Instant server thing
[05:28] <fabbione> but i don't think it's good to just give up like this
[05:28] <fabbione> try and see
[05:28] <fabbione> it's not like i have a fetish need to kick people out of the team
[05:28] <fabbione> it doesn't give me any personal satisfaction.. you know ;)
[05:28] <Pygi> huh, yesh, I do understand you don't wanna kick no one, but I was accepted into team just for that instant thingy :/
[05:28] <Pygi> And as I ain't doing on it anymore, ....
[05:29] <fabbione> Pygi: try to do something else :)
[05:29] <fabbione> there are so many things to do
[05:29] <fabbione> like the list that spike and Valandil will start to work on
[05:29] <fabbione> it's not a 2 person thing
[05:29] <fabbione> and it's something you could as well do
[05:29] <fabbione> browing sites to find them might even be fun
[05:29] <fabbione> browsing
[05:29] <Pygi> g
[05:30] <Pygi> heh*
[05:30] <fabbione> i have issues to go and look at some websites.. i get this irrestable need of buying everything :P
[05:30] <Pygi> hehe :)
[05:30] <Valandil> *lol*
[05:30] <fabbione> and i am sure my wife is not ready yet for a SUN e25k in the house
[05:31] <fabbione> neither is my bank account, but i can still trade my wife ;)
[05:31] <Pygi> fabbione: I believe you understand why and what I am doin' .... You are also a developer, andyou wouldn't like to do something where development is not involved :P
[05:31] <Pygi> and lol :)
[05:32] <fabbione> Pygi: if you want to develop for real.. want to start to look at "Provide a RCS /etc out of the box"
[05:32] <fabbione> and see if we can get somewhere using shell scripts?
[05:32] <fabbione> perhaps something modular that we can plug in different RCS?
[05:32] <fabbione> that will require some code writing
[05:33] <Pygi> huh, as I said fabbione, please kick me out of team...
[05:33] <Pygi> thats better for everyone...
[05:33] <fabbione> ok remind me in a couple of days when i will spend time on launchpad
[05:33] <Pygi> k
[05:33] <fabbione> so perhaps you have time to think again about it
[05:34] <Valandil> Pygi: perhaps You could find also fun in 'baby-sitting' ;-) I could need someone, who takes me by hand... I'd like to work, but I don't know how :(
[05:34] <Pygi> huh :P
[05:35] <Valandil> no, really - I'm admin, but I'm defnitely not experienced in developing things for public
[05:36] <Pygi> Valandil: well, you see, I am developing all the time something :P
[05:37] <Valandil> Pygi: ;-) so You'd be a perfect mentor ;)
[05:37] <Valandil> Pygi: No, to be serious: it was just an idea
[05:38] <Pygi> heh, what would you wanna know? coding? in what language?
[05:38] <Valandil> all languages ;)
[05:38] <spike> included the universal language of love
[05:39] <Valandil> I love shell-scripts, perl and c, but in c i'm just starting
[05:39] <Valandil> spike: *lol*
[05:39] <Pygi> well, in those I could assist you in C, and shell scripts
[05:39] <Valandil> but I think my main problem is, how to work for ubuntu / public/...
[05:39] <Pygi> can help you in python as well
[05:40] <Pygi> valandil: go fix keyboard change error
[05:40] <Valandil> python is very interesting, but never had the time
[05:41] <Valandil> I don't even know anything about this error
[05:41] <Valandil> what do You mean?
[05:41] <Pygi> well, changing keyboard layout in that gnome utility doesn't work :P
[05:42] <Pygi> thats the bug :P
[05:42] <Valandil> *uurgh* gnome :( ... OK, I will take a look on this...
[05:43] <Pygi> thats easy to fix, and you will learn :)
[05:43] <Valandil> OK :) I'll do my very best
[05:43] <Valandil> but why did You say, You caqn't get the code?
[05:44] <Valandil> isn't it in the sources-package?
[05:44] <Pygi> I don't know where to get ubuntu code :P
[05:44] <spike> is this #ubuntu-server, isnt it? why on earth u'd want to spend time on fixing a gnome related issue?
[05:44] <Pygi> ok, excuse me spike :P
[05:45] <Pygi> now I'll go not to bother anyone again
[05:46] <Valandil> ooops
[05:46] <spike> what?
[05:47] <Valandil> hmmm feel a little uncomfortable right now...
[05:48] <spike> Valandil: u shouldnt at all
[05:49] <Valandil> spike: could be... fell like a little boy ;)
[05:50] <spike> Valandil: if he cant act differently than a 13teen kid living in a cruel world that doesnt accept him as a 1337 member of motu it's not ur fault
[05:50] <Valandil> could be ;)
[05:51] <Valandil> but more or less I feel anyway like al little boy who opened the door to the great wide world ;)
[05:52] <Valandil> but I have planned to grow up :))
[05:55] <spike> Valandil: the best advice I can give u then is get a plan and stick to that. jumping among things like u were gonna do with this gnome keyboard thing is just a waste of time for everybody
[05:56] <spike> Valandil: what do u wanna do?
[05:56] <spike> and dont tell me "programming" :)
[05:58] <Valandil> spike: I'd like to do some effective work. This has two reasons: I work productive with linux for several years, and I'd like to give something back to community. And second:
[06:00] <Valandil> I need some things for my servers, where I put work into. Why should I waste my work only for me? I could give it to others.
[06:01] <Valandil> for this, I need experience in maintaining - and that I don't have
[06:02] <Valandil> so I need a mentor or someone like that, who tells me: do this or that, and then You can use it like this, and so on...
[06:02] <spike> Valandil: "effective work" is the same as "programming" :)
[06:02] <Valandil> spike: not what I meant
[06:03] <Valandil> I meant, some work, not only I have benefit from
[06:04] <spike> dude, that doesnt mean anything either. what re u talking about? packaging/coding ur own software/tools u use on ur machines?
[06:04] <Valandil> if You tell me for example that You need some recherches on some topic, to help Your Project, I wold say: OK, I'll take part
[06:04] <Valandil> I just don't know _what_ would be useful
[06:05] <Valandil> so the list for fabbione is something I can do, because he told me what he's looking for
[06:05] <segfault> calm down.
[06:05] <Valandil> You know, all I need is orientation. World of linux / ubuntu is far too wide ...
[06:06] <Valandil> I'm as calm as I could be ;)
[06:06] <Valandil> segfault: sorry, didn't want to do flaming in here...
[06:08] <segfault> hehe
[06:08] <segfault> just kidding
[06:08] <segfault> :)
[06:09] <Valandil> OK :-)
[06:13] <Valandil> brb (hope so) --> reboot
[06:21] <Valandil> re :)
[06:55] <spike> I cant believe this telco installs router @ offices with web interface by default open on the nic facing the net
[06:56] <spike> default user/pwd of course, but I wasnt even asking for that much...
[08:29] <Valandil> brb --> reboot (I hate 2.6)