[12:09] <mornfall> Riddell: sounds fair
[12:10] <mornfall> let me check latest debian synaptic sources editor
[12:10] <mornfall> (trying to write commit log for a week worth of java hacking in parallel)
[12:14] <mornfall> hmm, 2 main differences between adept and synaptic
[12:14] <mornfall> hm, 3
[12:14] <mornfall> checkboxes (which i will probably add since they are more obvious)
[12:15] <Riddell> right click to enable is hard to find
[12:15] <mornfall> buttons to move lines around instead of drag&drop
[12:15] <mornfall> and repository split input
[12:17] <mornfall> in synaptic, it is somewhat not obvious how to change existing line
[12:17] <mornfall> have to select a different line to see the effect of your edits
[12:18] <mornfall> i like in-place editing more... on the other hand, may be again hard to discover
[12:21] <Riddell> doesn't synaptic have tickboxes for saying "source packages on this one please" and "security updates" etc
[12:21] <mornfall> not the version i have
[12:21] <mornfall> 0.57.5
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[12:34] <Riddell> amu: can you confirm http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10193
[12:35] <mornfall> good night
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[01:16] <seth_k|lappy> Bah, Riddell, where do I set includes for a package. I'm getting the same-ish error I got with a couple other KDE packages:
[01:16] <seth_k|lappy> /usr/share/qt3/bin/moc configdialog.h -o configdialog.moc
[01:16] <seth_k|lappy> moc: configdialog.h: No such file
[01:16] <seth_k|lappy> yet configdialog.h exists in the source tree, just in a different directory that isn't included
[01:17] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: ah, it's broken for builddir!=sourcedir
[01:17] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: you need to fix Makefile.am
[01:17] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I'll look at that patch you posted for kommander and hopefully that'll help me figure out what to fix :)
[01:18] <seth_k|lappy> is there a quick tip you can give on what to look for?
[01:19] <seth_k|lappy> ah, this looks pretty easy to fix
[01:23] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: I'd have to look at the patch again to work it out :)
[01:23] <Riddell> it needs some variable added to the Makefile.am
[01:23] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: and make -f Makefile.cvs run again of course
[01:23] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: did you get it working?
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[06:27] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, ahhhhhhh... worked and worked trying to figure it out, but to no avail. It seems like it's not a builddir != sourcedir problem, because I have the same issue when building directly from the sourcedir. http://seth.pastebin.com/488266 for when you awaken :)
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[07:29] <sealne> is there a simple way to rebuild the breezy cd so that it has stuff from updates?
[07:32] <sealne> however the main thing i'm wanting to do is change the mirror used to a local one
[07:33] <sealne> partly to get around the annoying timeouts as we are behind a non transparent web proxy
[07:35] <sealne> so that i don't have to explain local complications to the class installing breezy
[07:37] <sealne> am i needing to rebuild one of the base packages to change the mirror list?
[07:43] <sealne> apt-setup-udeb?
[07:46] <sealne> Mirrors.masterlist.ubuntu in base-config probably?
[07:59] <sealne> altho apt-setup appears to have hard coded where ubuntu-security is hmm
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[09:32] <viviersf> Riddell : PING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[09:36] <Mez> viviersf, I guess Riddell is asleep - sup?
[09:36] <viviersf> erm
[09:37] <viviersf> im using kde 3.5 on impi 
[09:37] <viviersf> cos i think its much better
[09:37] <viviersf> so i came back from leave
[09:37] <viviersf> did a dist-upgrade
[09:37] <viviersf> now when i install impi to the hdd
[09:37] <viviersf> something weird is going on with kdm 
[09:37] <viviersf> you know of any problems ?
[09:38] <Mez> depends on what "something weird"
[09:38] <Mez> is
[09:43] <viviersf> lol
[09:43] <viviersf> erm
[09:43] <viviersf> thats what im trying to figure out
[09:44] <viviersf> exactly what is going on
[09:44] <viviersf> gimme couple mins
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[09:59] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[09:59] <Tonio_> best wishes
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[12:36] <Riddell> sigh
[12:37] <Riddell> viviersf needs to work past the morning if he's to be awake at the same time as me
[01:02] <Tonio_> hi Riddell, best whishes
[01:04] <freeflying_> Riddell: how about dapper install cd now ?
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[01:13] <Riddell> freeflying_: I don't know, I'm just about to try it out, ask me again in a couple of hours
[01:13] <Riddell> happy new year Tonio_ 
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for starting the year with a bad news, but I was searching for wlassistant in dapper and couldn't find it...
[01:14] <Tonio_> Siretart uploaded id one month ago
[01:15] <Tonio_> do you have access to see what happened or may I ask to elmo like for pwmanager ?
[01:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: I can't see it anywhere, ask siretart and if he doesn't know ask elmo, and if elmo doesn't know or get back to you ask me to upload it again
[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, thanks :)
[01:23] <Riddell> JRe: fancy changing kded's mediamanager into a general hal watcher?
[01:23] <Riddell> JRe: gnome is getting cool stuff like printer plugin clever bits
[01:25] <Tonio_> ho Riddelln I just saw it, thanks for the approval in the kubuntu-team launchpad group :)
[01:26] <Riddell> thanks for joining
[01:26] <Riddell> launchpad made me fight to be able to approve, but I managed
[01:26] <Tonio_> pleasure
[01:27] <Tonio_> I'll start the animated icon for adept this week, as mornfall asked
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[01:27] <Tonio_> hi mornfall, happy new year
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[02:30] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Have you ever seen the CCux-Linux installer?
[02:30] <Riddell> KabelKasper: nope, what is it?
[02:31] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Maybe it can help in developing the GUI of KubuntuExpress
[02:31] <KabelKasper> http://ccux-linux.de/site/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=1&pid=4
[02:32] <KabelKasper> Riddell: I like it ;)
[02:33] <Riddell> KabelKasper: any idea what it's written in?
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[02:42] <KabelKasper> No idea, I just saw it
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[03:03] <Riddell> freeflying_: you'll be pleased to know todays install CD works wonderfully
[03:04] <freeflying_> Riddell: hmm , well 
[03:07] <_rockie> Riddell: scim-qtimmm still can not be compiled 
[03:07] <Riddell> _Sime: displayconfig is giving me a problem http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/488640
[03:07] <Riddell> on startup
[03:08] <Riddell> freeflying: where is it?  what's the problem?
[03:08] <freeflying> Riddell: can not find headerfiles 
[03:09] <freeflying> Riddell: will have a look here http://everybody.good-day.net/~ikuya/kubuntu/5.10/ .
[03:10] <freeflying> Riddell: the guy of ubuntu-ja team have patched QT under breezy . and make scim-qtimm compiked cerrrectly
[03:14] <Riddell> hmm, don't support he wants to do the same for dapper? :)
[03:14] <Riddell> we should get him on IRC
[03:14] <Riddell> I'm busy just now but I'll try and take a look at it later
[03:16] <freeflying_> Riddell: he will not works on that for dapper 
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[03:41] <raphink> wb freeflying_ 
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[04:07] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[04:10] <raphink> :)
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[05:26] <Riddell> _Sime: is pykdeextensions in SVN yet?
[05:28] <sebas> Not that I know.
[05:29] <Riddell> I've spotted a problem or two is all :)
[05:30] <sebas> What kind of problem?
[05:32] <Riddell> the sample app doesn't import kfile
[05:32] <Riddell> and gives the wrong arguments to KFileDialog
[05:32] <Riddell> and the configuration dialogue doesn't work
[05:32] <sebas> Ah, the second one might be a problem with newer pykde, I guess?
[05:33] <sebas> KFileDialog( ... and then try to change None to "", if there's one in it.
[05:33] <Riddell> yes, I did that
[05:33] <Riddell> actuallyt is had KFileDialog(None, One...
[05:33] <Riddell> but there's not such variable as One, don't know what that's ment to be
[05:35] <sebas> Hm, I can have a look at it.
[05:35] <sebas> How do I reproduce the problem?
[05:36] <Riddell> well it's in the kdeapp in app_templates
[05:36] <Riddell> in pykdeextensions 0.4
[05:36] <Riddell> that argument should be a filter
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[05:36] <raphink> Riddell: there's a french translation small issue in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kaffeine_append_file.desktop
[05:36] <raphink> where shall I report it ?
[05:36] <Riddell> chaning it to "*.html" is all good but I'm curious to know what this One thing is
[05:36] <raphink> I can patch the file it's very fast 
[05:37] <raphink> but I'm not sure where to file the bug
[05:37] <Riddell> raphink: qu'est que c'est le problem?
[05:37] <raphink> Riddell: ;)
[05:37] <raphink> Name[fr] =Ajouter la liste de lecture de Kaffeine
[05:37] <raphink> this is the pb
[05:38] <raphink> the desktop file is UTF-8, but the sentence isn't ;)
[05:38] <raphink> it just has to be retyped
[05:38] <raphink> just one character to type ;)
[05:38] <raphink> should be 
[05:38] <raphink> Name[fr] =Ajouter  la liste de lecture de Kaffeine
[05:38] <Riddell> raphink: ah, well kaffeine is in KDE SVN now so reprting to the kde fr i18n team would be the best way
[05:38] <raphink> instead
[05:39] <raphink> hmm ok
[05:39] <Riddell> raphink: the file will be in SVN  l10n/messages/fr/extragear or something
[05:39] <raphink> do I send a mail to kde-francophone?
[05:39] <Riddell> send them a patch and they'll love you forever
[05:39] <raphink> haha
[05:39] <Riddell> raphink: check i18n.kde.org for the french team contact
[05:39] <raphink> I am subscribed to the kde i18n for french
[05:39] <raphink> since yesterday ;)
[05:39] <raphink> haha
[05:42] <raphink> I'll send them a patch
[05:44] <raphink> Riddell: hmm kaffeine is in KDE now ?
[05:45] <Riddell> raphink: in extragear/multimedia I believe
[05:45] <raphink> can't find it
[05:46] <raphink> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/fr/messages/extragear-multimedia/?rev=415265
[05:46] <raphink> no kaffeine here
[05:46] <raphink> nor in the desktop_extragear-multimedia
[05:47] <raphink> last time I checked, kaffeine was not in KDE
[05:47] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/kaffeine/ app is here at least
[05:47] <raphink> ok
[05:48] <raphink> let's see
[05:48] <raphink> ah
[05:48] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/fr/messages/extragear-multimedia/kaffeine.po?rev=490538&view=log
[05:48] <Riddell> it is there
[05:48] <raphink> I must have been in an old part of the trunk that has been replaced
[05:49] <raphink> this is the file I should patch?
[05:49] <Riddell> yes, I think so
[05:49] <raphink> that's weird
[05:49] <Riddell> assuming the problem in still in there
[05:49] <raphink> the string appears well there
[05:49] <Riddell> so it's probably been fixed
[05:50] <raphink> nope
[05:50] <Riddell> ?
[05:50] <raphink> all versions have it right
[05:50] <raphink> and when I ran nano on the file, I could see it written right
[05:50] <raphink> but not running more on nit
[05:50] <raphink> it
[05:50] <raphink> and it doesnt' show properly in konqueror
[05:50] <raphink> this is weird
[05:52] <raphink> I just had to retype exactly the same string in the file
[05:52] <raphink> and save it
[05:52] <raphink> just make a change and save
[05:52] <Riddell> works fine for me in kate as utf8
[05:52] <raphink> yes 
[05:52] <Riddell> which file are you changing?
[05:52] <raphink> works fine for me when I edit it too
[05:53] <raphink>  /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kaffeine_append_file.desktop
[05:53] <raphink> this is the file i'm changing
[05:53] <Riddell> yeah, that one is bad
[05:53] <Riddell> but the .po file in SVN is fine so it'll be fixed in the next release
[05:53] <raphink> running `more /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kaffeine_append_file.desktop` shows it bad
[05:53] <raphink> but running `nano /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kaffeine_append_file.desktop` show it right
[05:53] <raphink> just modifying anything in the file with nano and saving solves the issue
[05:54] <Riddell> that file is broken in nano for me
[05:54] <raphink> really?
[05:54] <raphink> Riddell: so what can I do about it?
[05:55] <Riddell> raphink: wait for the next release
[05:55] <raphink> oki
[05:55] <raphink> we cannot fix that in ubuntu in the meanwhile?
[05:55] <Riddell> fix some kubuntu bugs in the mean time :)
[05:55] <raphink> patching the desktop file
[05:56] <raphink> ;)
[05:56] <Riddell> raphink: for dapper we will be able to make changes to string translation because the strings will be in rosetta so updates to rosetta will go to the language packgs
[05:56] <Riddell> but not for breezy I'm afraid
[05:56] <raphink> ok
[05:56] <raphink> btw
[05:56] <raphink> using kooka yesterday
[05:56] <raphink> I found that quite a lot of strings are not translated well to french
[05:56] <raphink> some need to be reviewed
[05:57] <raphink> and I can't edit translation for kooka in rosetta
[05:57] <raphink> where shall I do that?
[05:57] <raphink> the KDE translation system is a big mess
[05:57] <raphink> to me
[05:58] <Riddell> raphink: you will be able to translate it in rosetta when they import dapper strings in a couple months time
[05:59] <raphink> ok I c
[05:59] <Riddell> but for now edit the file in SVN, l10n/fr/messages/kdegraphics/kooka.po or something
[05:59] <Riddell> and sent it to a kde fr dude
[05:59] <raphink> same for the packages I added ?
[05:59] <Riddell> which packages?
[05:59] <raphink> ok
[05:59] <raphink> or to the list?
[05:59] <Riddell> or the list, however they work
[05:59] <raphink> knmap, kyamo, etc.
[05:59] <raphink> ok
[06:00] <Riddell> before long they'll ask you to get an svn account and you can commit yourself
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[06:00] <raphink> ok
[06:00] <Riddell> those apps aren't in KDE so you need to get a .pot (empty .po template file) and translate that then send it to the knmap dude or whatever
[06:01] <raphink> would you recommend using kbabel?
[06:01] <raphink> or editing manually?
[06:01] <Riddell> yes, it's great
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[06:01] <Riddell> I especially like kbabel's "copy from original string" function, quite a lifesaver for en_GB translation :)
[06:03] <raphink> also
[06:03] <raphink> we found out that it might be more logical, in a western society, to put the preview button to the left and the scan one to the right
[06:03] <raphink> because you preview before you scan
[06:03] <raphink> and we're used to going from left to right in western countries
[06:04] <raphink> ;)
[06:04] <Riddell> seems fair
[06:04] <raphink> this is a detail but imo quite important for basic users
[06:04] <Riddell> make a patch, submit it to whoever the kooka maintainer seems to be and apply if he likes it (or if he doesn't respond)
[06:04] <raphink> shall this be reported as a wish?
[06:04] <raphink> ok
[06:04] <Riddell> or you could report it as a wish :)
[06:05] <raphink> oki
[06:05] <Riddell> note that KDE application development is quite tricky at the moment since it's all KDE 4 porting
[06:05] <raphink> I'll do that
[06:05] <raphink> thank
[06:05] <raphink> yes
[06:07] <raphink> hmm
[06:07] <raphink> can't find a string
[06:08] <raphink> that's weird
[06:08] <Riddell> might be a string from a library, or it might have a %1 in the middle of it
[06:09] <Riddell> do we know a philipvanbogaert?  wants to join kubuntu-team
[06:10] <raphink> I don't know him
[06:10] <raphink> hmm well atually
[06:10] <raphink> his name recalls something
[06:10] <raphink> let me search
[06:11] <raphink> hmm
[06:11] <raphink> his LP page is void https://launchpad.net/people/philipvanbogaert
[06:11] <raphink> and his wiki page is inexistant
[06:12] <raphink> found my string, in libkscan
[06:13] <raphink> i'm a bit concerned because "Scan size" has been translated by "Taille de la numrisation" 
[06:13] <raphink> which is theorically correct
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[06:13] <raphink> except in kooka it lists the orientations of the page
[06:14] <raphink> Riddell: could you have a look at kooka and tell me what you think please?
[06:18] <Riddell> raphink: where am I looking?
[06:19] <raphink> wait a min
[06:19] <raphink> i'll send you a mockup of my idea
[06:20] <raphink> DCC Riddell 
[06:20] <raphink> it seems to me there's a confusion between size and orientation in this part of kooka
[06:20] <raphink> if it's dealing with size, then the format menu (A4, A5, etc.) should be inside
[06:21] <raphink> if it's dealing with orientation (landscape/portrait) then it should be mentionned
[06:21] <raphink> what do you think?
[06:22] <raphink> Riddell: http://raphink.free.fr/debs/kooka_en_2.jpg
[06:23] <Riddell> yep, fully agree
[06:23] <raphink> :)
[06:23] <raphink> this is not a translation issue
[06:24] <raphink> this is a gui one
[06:24] <raphink> ;)
[06:24] <raphink> I'll go take a shower and I'll try to patch that afterwards :)
[06:28] <sebas> Riddell: Email with patch is underway.
[06:30] <Riddell> sebas: ever work out what that One was supposed to be?
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[06:34] <sebas> Riddell: Nope, badly tested code probably.
[06:35] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, did you get my note last night?
[06:37] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: which was that?
[06:38] <seth_k|lappy> I spent several hours trying to pin down the issue, but never got anywhere substantial. http://seth.pastebin.com/488266
[06:40] <seth_k|lappy> you'll notice that it *apparently* includes the proper directory
[06:41] <seth_k|lappy> i.e., "-I/tmp/buildd/polyester-0.6.5/./client/config"
[06:41] <seth_k|lappy> which is $(srcdir)... yet it's horked. You wouldn't believe the number of hours I spent Googling and trying to figure it out last night :P
[06:44] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: what's in the Makefile.am?
[06:44] <seth_k|lappy> just $(all_includes)... want me to pastebin the whole thing?
[06:45] <seth_k|lappy> http://seth.pastebin.com/488916
[06:45] <raphink> Riddell: how do I get the kooka source from svn on kde ?
[06:46] <raphink> :s
[06:47] <Riddell> raphink: in branches/KDE/3.5/kdegraphics/
[06:47] <raphink> yes I found that
[06:47] <raphink> but I can't get to understand how to use svn to get the source
[06:47] <seth_k|lappy> use the new svn kioslave that just checked in yesterday! it's rockin'
[06:48] <Riddell> raphink: svn co
[06:48] <Riddell> google for anonymous kde svn
[06:48] <raphink> hmmm
[06:48] <raphink> it asks for a password
[06:48] <Riddell> even anonymous?
[06:48] <raphink> hmm
[06:49] <raphink> dunno how to use anonymous :s
[06:49] <seth_k|lappy> raphink, http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html
[06:49] <raphink> ty
[06:50] <raphink> :)
[06:51] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: blurg, not sure just now, put it on revu and poke me into looking at it soon
[06:51] <seth_k|lappy> bah, alrighty. It was driving me batty last night
[06:52] <seth_k|lappy> raphink, install kdesvn-kio-plugins, then open Konq and just put in svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdegraphics
[06:53] <seth_k|lappy> you'll get a nice browser window with which to yoink kooka source
[06:53] <raphink> I'll do that next time thanks seth_k|lappy 
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[07:42] <raphink> Riddell: seems this is a bit too hard for me :( I cant' get to find how to do what I'd like to change in kooka :(
[07:42] <raphink> :'(
[07:43] <Riddell> raphink: it might be coded or it might be in .ui qt designer files
[07:43] <raphink> it's coded
[07:43] <raphink> there's no .ui
[07:43] <raphink> :s
[07:43] <raphink> that's why it's a bit hard for me
[07:43] <Riddell> so re-parent the drop down box into the button group
[07:43] <raphink> it's in the middle of the cpp code it seems
[07:44] <raphink> I should find them first :s
[07:44] <raphink> I don't know what it looks like in the cpp code :s
[07:44] <raphink> not even in what file to find them
[07:44] <raphink> I've found 
[07:44] <raphink>    m_dockPreview = parent->createDockWidget( "Preview ",
[07:45] <raphink> 					   loader->loadIcon( "viewmag", KIcon::Small ),
[07:45] <raphink> 					   0L, i18n("Scan Preview"));
[07:45] <raphink> in kookaview.cpp
[07:45] <raphink> which seems to create the Preview part
[07:47] <Riddell> then is should make a widget with m_dockPreview as parent
[07:47] <raphink> I guess so
[07:47] <raphink> never studied cpp
[07:47] <raphink> but it's interesting to learn :)
[07:48] <raphink> so then where shall I find the parts ?
[07:48] <Riddell> in the widget it mlakes that has m_dockPreview as parent
[07:48] <Riddell> grep for Preview or "Scan Size" maybe
[07:48] <raphink> yes
[07:49] <raphink> http://pastebin.com/488991
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[07:50] <raphink> grepping for Scan Size gives no answer
[07:50] <raphink> and for Preview gives too many
[07:50] <Riddell> preview_canvas = new Previewer( m_dockPreview );
[07:50] <Riddell> that widget?
[07:50] <raphink> no idea
[07:51] <Riddell> well find out what file that class is in and take a look
[07:51] <raphink>    preview_canvas = new Previewer( m_dockPreview );
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[07:51] <raphink>    {
[07:51] <raphink>        preview_canvas->setMinimumSize( 100,100);
[07:51] <raphink>       /* since the scan_params will be created in slSelectDevice, do the
[07:51] <raphink>        * connections later
[07:51] <raphink>        */
[07:51] <raphink>    }
[07:51] <raphink>    m_dockPreview->setWidget( preview_canvas );
[07:52] <raphink> :s
[07:52] <raphink> I'd think this is the preview window
[07:52] <raphink> not the select box
[07:53] <Riddell> possibly, you'll need to look at the widget to find out
[07:53] <raphink> hmm
[07:53] <raphink> I don't know how
[07:57] <Riddell> 18:51 < Riddell> well find out what file that class is in and take a look
[07:57] <Riddell> Previewer
[07:57] <raphink> hmm ok
[07:57] <raphink> won't be easy
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[08:15] <raphink> Previewer    *preview_canvas;
[08:15] <raphink> in kookaview.h
[08:16] <raphink> and there's a #include "previewer.h"
[08:16] <raphink> also
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[08:27] <Riddell> so it'll be in previewer.cpp
[08:29] <raphink> there's no such files
[08:30] <raphink> as previewer.cpp or previewer.h
[08:30] <raphink> and i can't find a package providing it
[08:33] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I'll upload polyester to REVU now
[08:34] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, please bounce it back to me if you fix it; there are still changes I need to make
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Have a Great Hogmanay Kubuntu! | Flight 2 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Sat Dec 31 16:30:05 2005
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[11:19] <Riddell> hi martamius 
[11:19] <martamius> hi
[11:19] <Riddell> first issue with systemsettings is making sure all the modules actually fit on the screen
[11:20] <Riddell> other issues are it doesn't load modules with in the correct locale, and double clicking on icons causes large problems
[11:20] <martamius> right... i noticed that problem myself when in 1024x768.
[11:20] <Riddell> I've fixed knetworkconf but I think at least kdeprint needs looked at as well
[11:20] <Riddell> martamius: are you running dapper?
[11:21] <Tm_T> is base-config package important?
[11:21] <martamius> not at the moment, i was. but an update a few weeks ago killed it so i put breezy back in
[11:21] <Riddell> Tm_T:  This package is an empty package that is no longer used. It can be removed
[11:21] <Riddell>  with no ill effects.
[11:21] <Tm_T> ah ok
[11:21] <Riddell> martamius: today's install CD is pretty good if you want to get back on the edge
[11:21] <Tm_T> thanks
[11:22] <martamius> i'll try to do that today
[11:22] <martamius> we're at test cd 2 now, right?
[11:22] <Riddell> flight 2
[11:22] <martamius> right, flight 2 :)
[11:22] <Riddell> but grab the daily CD from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/
[11:22] <Riddell> today's is fine as I say
[11:22] <martamius> alright.
[11:24] <martamius> riddell: ok, downloading today's build cd.
[11:25] <Riddell> martamius: have you done kde/qt programming at all?
[11:25] <martamius> once I get that installed, I'll start looking at the systemsettings source.
[11:25] <Riddell> apt-get source kde-sytemsettings  is a good start for that :)
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[11:25] <martamius> a little bit. i've done more gtk programming, but qt is pretty straight-forward, so it's not too much trouble
[11:26] <Riddell> or get it from KDE SVN as well, make sure you get the kde 3 version not kde 4
[11:26] <martamius> alright
[11:29] <martamius> if today's cd is ok, is it safe to just upgrade to dapper using apt?
[11:33] <Riddell> martamius: yeah, that's fine too
[11:33] <Riddell> let me know if you have any problems
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