[12:05] <_matt> Hi!
[12:07] <pipegeek> Hi.  So, I just plugged in a new monitor and booted up my machine, and for some reason, kdm now insists on running the x server at 640x480@60Hz--even after logging into KDE, it's impossible to set the resolution higher (640x480 is listed as the highest possible in kcontrol).  If I start X by hand, it still defaults to 1200x1024.  Why is this happening, and how can I force kdm to use a different resolution?
[12:08] <Shadyman> pipegeek: You'd have to set the higher resolution(s) in the X11/X.conf or whatever it's called.
[12:08] <xtacocorex> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[12:08] <xtacocorex> pipegeek: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[12:08] <xtacocorex> pipegeek: that might work, but i have a laptop so i'm not totally sure on it
[12:09] <pipegeek> Actually, they're already set there.  And, if I run X by hand from the command line, they're available.  They're only unavailable when kdm manages my x session
[12:11] <pipegeek> xtacocorex: thanks for the suggestion, though.
[12:11] <xtacocorex> pipegeek: at least it was an idea, sorry i couldn't help more
[12:12] <pipegeek> xtacocorex: no prob
[12:12] <_joshua> hi can someone help me with this
[12:13] <_joshua> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:13] <_joshua> is that ok/usual ?
[12:13] <pipegeek> Do you have a non-ubuntu repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:14] <_joshua> yes
[12:15] <pipegeek> That's probably why.  Ubuntu uses gpg-signed packages.  You need either to import the key of the person/project who runs the non-ubuntu repository in question (man apt-key) or just deal with the warning.  It's a pain, but it is for a good reason ^_^
[12:16] <_joshua> pipegeek: so would you advise yes or no
[12:18] <HymnToLife> anyone has an idea why nothing happens when I click the "Administrator mode" in KDE 3.4's system settings ?
[12:19] <HymnToLife> I have the password prompt, type my password an then nothing
[12:22] <xst> Damn, tried to update to kde35 but got the following apt-get error:
[12:22] <xst> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:22] <xst>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-kresources_4%3a3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy2_i386.deb
[12:27] <starscalling> o.o
[12:27] <SirKillalot> how do I get the treeview in konqueror on the leftern side?
[12:29] <billh> woops
[12:29] <billh> sorry about that
[12:30] <starscalling> * Topic for #kubuntu is: Happy New Year! | Dapper Flight 2 out | KDE 3.5 is out http://tinyurl.com/dlrf9 (the KPDF problem is fixed in the latest packages) | Breezy fixes in breezy-updates | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de | Please don't paste into the channel:  use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com | IRC info and channels in other languages: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/InternetRelayChat
[12:30] <starscalling> * Topic for #kubuntu set by apokryphos at Sun Jan  1 06:29:51 2006
[12:30] <billh> yeah, I just wanted to get the /topic information and I ended up setting it.
[12:30] <starscalling> ah
[12:30] <starscalling> lol
[12:30] <starscalling> dam ops
[12:30] <starscalling> >:P
[12:30] <billh> yeah, sorry about that.
[12:30] <billh> ops would help protect that
[12:31] <starscalling> was just comparing
[12:31] <starscalling> wait its not protected?
[12:31] <starscalling> crap
[12:31] <starscalling> ya
[12:31] <starscalling> !ops
[12:31] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic or nalioth
[12:31] <starscalling> someone protect the topic plz lol
[12:31] <billh> I'm mostly trying to get an apt line to upgrade my Debian unstable system
[12:32] <starscalling> debian unstable?
[12:32] <starscalling> thats um
[12:32] <starscalling> like
[12:32] <starscalling> not ubuntu
[12:32] <HymnToLife> !debian
[12:32] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded"; see http://www.debian.org Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9.  Debian and Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/
[12:32] <starscalling> try #debian
[12:32] <SirKillalot> does anyone know how to get that side bar on konqueror showing a treeview of the local folders?
[12:32] <billh> yeah
[12:32] <nalioth> starscalling: ?
[12:32] <starscalling> nalioth, someone forgot to protect the topic
[12:32] <starscalling> anyone can change it or so
[12:32] <starscalling> kewl thx
[12:32] <billh> I'm hoping that a fresh installation without base-config could be moved to Ubuntu easily
[12:33] <nalioth> starscalling: in here it's !kops
[12:33] <starscalling> o: ok sorry
[12:33] <starscalling> billh, why do that?
[12:33] <nalioth> starscalling: np, just makes no sense to rattle the cages of non operational folks
[12:33] <crimsun> billh: crossgrades are difficult at this point.
[12:33] <starscalling> try it by all means im curious too
[12:33] <starscalling> nalioth, yeah didnt realize it wasnt the same group/... never seen the command done in here... will try to remember
[12:34] <starscalling> in fact i WILL remember :)
[12:34] <starscalling> crimsun, what if he did a server install of etch then did ubuntu dapper sources hehe
[12:34] <starscalling> and did pinning b/t them
[12:34] <starscalling> o:
[12:35] <crimsun> etch has a "server" target?
[12:35] <starscalling> install?
[12:35] <starscalling> yeah think so..
[12:35] <starscalling> got the disk somewhere...
[12:35] <starscalling> lets find out!!!!
[12:35] <starscalling> good thing i got 2 comps and dont care much about most of the data hehe
[12:35] <billh> crimsun yeah, I know. I'm trying out a trick since I don't have a Ubuntu CD image
[12:36] <starscalling> why not just get the image billh ?
[12:36] <billh> This still has got the raw libc without the libc6 upgrade. That blew me out before.
[12:36] <billh> starscalling I don't want to screw out with moving the DVD burner around.
[12:36] <billh> out=around
[12:36] <triode> hello, I'm looking for suggestions on CAD software for linux (something like an AutoCAD substitute), any idea on where to look?
[12:36] <starscalling> ya
[12:36] <starscalling> got another compy with a cd burner then?
[12:36] <starscalling> o:
[12:37] <billh> no, not readily at hand
[12:37] <starscalling> how about um..
[12:37] <starscalling> meh lets just see what happens lol
[12:37] <billh> this has a possibility of working. What killed me last night was libc6 being downgraded
[12:37] <starscalling> let me boot that one up and ill backup my data
[12:37] <starscalling> hum
[12:37] <starscalling> couldnt u tell it to force the downgrade?
[12:38] <starscalling> or uninstall that one package etc?
[12:38] <billh> no downgrades no more from this installation
[12:38] <billh> Hmm, same problem
[12:39] <billh> interesting
[12:47] <starscalling> seems ive got ~25gigs of stuff to back up
[12:47] <starscalling> gimme 30 minutes billh
[12:49] <starscalling> !commands
[12:49] <ubotu> from memory, commands is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[12:50] <starscalling> o.o
[12:50] <billh> starscalling don't worry about it. I'll just install Debian and move to Kubuntu after burning the image.
[12:54] <tdmg> okay, now, I installed Breezy, but I still can't update Wine
[12:54] <tdmg> how do I update it?
[12:54] <Steil> is anyone here familiar with what amaroK does to media files when transferring to an ipod, and if theres anyway to change the settings so that it will transfer faster? (right now it's taking over an hour to transfer 50 songs)
[12:54] <hyperactivecrond> tdmg: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:54] <hyperactivecrond> Steil: /join #amarok
[12:54] <xst> How do I uninstall a theme in superkaramba?
[12:54] <tdmg> I did that crond
[12:54] <tdmg> now Kubuntu is all nice and pretty :)
[12:55] <hyperactivecrond> tdmg: define update wine?
[12:55] <tdmg> and I thank you for that
[12:55] <tdmg> well.......
[12:55] <tdmg> I have version 20050735
[12:55] <tdmg> 25*
[12:55] <tdmg> but they say that version is alpha
[12:55] <tdmg> and that there is a beta version to update to
[12:56] <hyperactivecrond> tdmg: do you have the wine deb?
[12:56] <tdmg> but Adept doesn't see any
[12:56] <tdmg> wine-dev you mean?
[12:56] <tdmg> because I don't have wine-dev
[12:57] <hyperactivecrond> deb
[12:57] <hyperactivecrond> !tell tdmg about deb
[12:57] <hyperactivecrond> installation file that ends in .deb
[12:57] <tdmg> I'm not sure
[12:57] <tdmg> how would I find out?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> tha'ts a very old deb of wine....
[12:58] <hyperactivecrond> did you download it
[12:58] <tdmg> I'm not sure
[12:58] <tdmg> I can't remember
[12:58] <Hobbsee> tdmg: did you ever try http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb ?
[12:58] <tdmg> I installed it when I did a package spree after installing Kubuntu
[12:59] <Hobbsee> http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/breezy/wine_0.9.4-winehq-1_i386.deb is probably the .deb you want
[12:59] <Hobbsee> looks like that's the latest
[01:00] <Hobbsee> you might need http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/breezy/libwine_0.9.4-winehq-1_all.deb as well
[01:09] <tdmg> it seems to be working
[01:09] <tdmg> I had to edit the repository myself
[01:09] <hyperactivecrond> sudo mount -o loop testhda /mnt   ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy   mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[01:09] <tdmg> thankfully I remembered how without needing the GUI
[01:09] <billh> Sorry, to ask again, but what are peoples experience with kubuntu under amd64 ?
[01:10] <billh> Is it stable ?
[01:10] <hyperactivecrond> any ideas for this error?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> hyperactivecrond: i would have thought it was fairly obvious - you have to specify the file type...
[01:11] <apokryphos> billh: perfect, yup.
[01:11] <hyperactivecrond> Hobbsee: no... that is very obsoleted
[01:12] <billh> apachelogger so cbsnews.com works under Kubuntu ?
[01:12] <billh> that immediately crashes Konqueor for me under amd64
[01:12] <Hobbsee> hyperactivecrond: it looks like the syntax is incorrect anyway
[01:12] <hyperactivecrond> it doesn't matter
[01:13] <Hobbsee> where do you want it mounted, what file type is the drive, and which partition do you want mounted?
[01:13] <hyperactivecrond> sudo mount testhda /mnt -o loop
[01:13] <apachelogger> billh: works here ;-)
[01:13] <hyperactivecrond> same error
[01:13] <hyperactivecrond> Hobbsee: it probably can't get mounted
[01:13] <hyperactivecrond> but this error comes up on ISOs
[01:14] <billh> ok
[01:14] <Hobbsee> i would think you can mount iso's -iso9600 or something is the file type
[01:14] <hyperactivecrond> Hobbsee: it works if you modprobe loop (isos
[01:14] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:15] <hyperactivecrond> but qemu images wont
[01:15] <hyperactivecrond> lol
[01:15] <billh> apachelogger just to be sure, this is amd64 right ?
[01:16] <apachelogger> no
[01:16] <billh> ok, well, that's my question.
[01:17] <apachelogger> why should it crash on 64bit?
[01:17] <billh> apokryphos is this under amd64 ?
[01:17] <apokryphos> billh: what?
[01:17] <billh> because KDE and other programs weren't running with consideration on 64 bit platforms
[01:18] <billh> apokryphos are you running kubuntu on amd64 ?
[01:18] <apokryphos> billh: yes, but not at the moment (on another computer).
[01:18] <billh> and that'll load cbsnews.com ?
[01:18] <apokryphos> billh: what are you having problems with?
[01:18] <billh> I was having problem with amd64 Debian unstable crashing konqueror under amd64
[01:19] <billh> and I was wondering if Kubuntu was more stable about this stuff
[01:19] <billh> if not, then I'll have to move to a 32 bit OS/kernel instead.
[01:19] <apokryphos> loads fine
[01:19] <apokryphos> ubuntu has very good 64-bit support
[01:20] <apokryphos> billh: what kde version are you running?
[01:20] <billh> so thumbs up for Kubuntu under amd64 then, right ?
[01:20] <billh> oh 3.5
[01:20] <hyperactivecrond> ubuntu != debian debian != ubuntu
[01:20] <apokryphos> without a doubt, yes.
[01:20] <hyperactivecrond> +1 for amd64 Kubuntu
[01:21] <billh> some experimental version I guess. It was crashing the X server as well, corrupting bitmaps.
[01:22] <billh> the crashes I was seeing with KDE under Debian amd64 was nasty
[01:22] <hyperactivecrond> debian is supposed to be stable, too...
[01:22] <billh> well
[01:22] <billh> ...
[01:22] <billh> guess not
[01:22] <apokryphos> their 3.5 surely wasn't in stable
[01:23] <billh> I was using unstable, but it didn't seem that folks cared about fixing the bugs, so I'm hopping to another distribution.
[01:23] <billh> Debian is generally pretty good about keeping a stable system, but...
[01:34] <billh> how do I reconfigure the locale ?
[01:36] <odat> hello everyone
[01:37] <apokryphos> billh: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[01:37] <mabel> kde camera/photo app?
[01:38] <apokryphos> mabel: for grabbing pics from your camera, or for handling your photos from your cam?
[01:38] <mabel> apokryphos: well both - kamera is supposed to handle grabbing - yes? it doesn't support my camera - but my camera has mass storage devicemode..
[01:38] <mabel> i also want something similar to gthumb
[01:39] <mabel> not too fond of digikam
[01:39] <apokryphos> I think it's meant to, yes, but never used it
[01:39] <apokryphos> digikam is really quite good :)
[01:39] <mabel> hm ok
[01:39] <apokryphos> little tools like the red-eye reduction (which actually works) are quite handy
[01:44] <odat> hello everyone
[01:44] <odat> was hoping for some insight my intrigue with kde
[01:45] <apokryphos> odat: fire away
[01:46] <odat> apokryphos, i am a gnome user and like it very much however i want to make sure i'm not being stubbornly stupid and misses out on great things with kde
[01:47] <odat> apokryphos, i have tried kde in the past and have always come back to gnome but i'm not sure if i'm making the right choice
[01:47] <apokryphos> odat: simple to answer -- you are :P
[01:47] <_matt> imho kde is very good
[01:47] <apokryphos> odat: KDE is typically more customizable and has better integration
[01:47] <odat> apokryphos, ok that doesn't do it for me    I mean why am I
[01:47] <_matt> i cant wait until kde 4
[01:48] <odat> apokryphos, also gnome to me seems to be easier to use
[01:48] <apokryphos> odat: why do you go back to gnome, you mean?
[01:48] <apokryphos> gnome does typically aim to be more simplistic
[01:48] <apokryphos> and to the extent that they've done it, I think it a very bad thing (I agree with Linus here, you see, to an extent)
[01:49] <odat> apokryphos, well i'm not sure why i'm not comfortable with kde so i'm not sure if that gets in the way of me giving it a chance
[01:49] <_matt> i find the intergration between apps better in kde
[01:49] <apokryphos> odat: I think you need to give it a little time. And, most importantly -- play around with it :)
[01:49] <odat> apokryphos, of course then again i was a die hard Mac user for years and years so maybe that is why gnome is more comfortable
[01:49] <apokryphos> go into all sorts of things and get to grips of how it works. KDE is high on consistency :)
[01:50] <apokryphos> I would've thought KDE would be more comfortable to a mac user, but hey 8)
[01:50] <_matt> apokrphos - i agree
[01:50] <odat> apokryphos, honest kde is much more mac like
[01:50] <apokryphos> _matt: integration is one of the greatest things about it. It's the first hting you notice when you go back to Win -- absolutely none.
[01:50] <odat> ?
[01:50] <darkheart> Linus recommends KDE!
[01:50] <apokryphos> odat: I would've thought so
[01:51] <odat> darkheart, lol yea that is what got me thinking about it again lol
[01:51] <apokryphos> KDE has a far larger market and more developers, too, note.
[01:51] <darkheart> odat: =) I just saw that yesterday haha.
[01:51] <odat> apokryphos, hmmmm kde i suppose reminds me so much of windows
[01:51] <apokryphos> of course that doesn't necessarily make it better, but it gives it an advantage.
[01:51] <odat> darkheart, ?
[01:51] <apokryphos> odat: I always find that criticism weird 8)
[01:51] <darkheart> odat: That 'Linux recommends KDE' thing, just saw it yesterday.
[01:51] <_matt> i think that as long as we all use linux rather than windows, we are all winners!
[01:52] <apokryphos> I always thought it was just something gnome users would say because it has one panel, wait....... just like Windoze!!!
[01:52] <_matt> and coporations like ms are the loosers
[01:52] <apokryphos> darkheart: quite controversial, yup. I found it funny when I found out he posted that on a *gnome usability board*
[01:52] <odat> _matt, very true man being a mac user for so many years and then giving linux a try my attitude towards windows is downright awful
[01:52] <apokryphos> talk about a troll :P
[01:53] <odat> apokryphos, now what about the system resources thing?
[01:54] <apokryphos> odat: my advice: switch to kde and stick with it for a while. Look around in systemsetings, really play with a few KDE apps (amarok, konversation, k3b, konqueror, kate, filelight, digikam), have a whack around with DCOP, then make up your mind =)
[01:54] <apokryphos> odat: bit of a myth
[01:54] <apokryphos> http://www.terra.es/personal/diegocg/kde/index2.html
[01:54] <darkheart> apokryphos: LOL yeah, I wouldn't have thought of Linus as a troll, but hey, I guess if you made it, you can troll wherever you want =P
[01:55] <apokryphos> that's a "Why KDE rules" article -- conversion from a longtime gnome user.
[01:55] <odat> apokryphos, just got done reading that lol
[01:55] <apokryphos> darkheart: hehe
[01:55] <_matt> apokryphos - I was just about to past that link!
[01:55] <apokryphos> =)
[01:55] <_matt> its a good link!
[01:55] <apokryphos> the guy has a weird arguing style, but I think it'd appeal to gnome users
[01:56] <apokryphos> as it addressess pretty much all the same points I hear time and time again
[01:56] <odat> apokryphos, i was wondering why it seems kde tries to get you to use all of their alternative programs  opposed to some already great one?
[01:56] <odat> ones?
[01:56] <_matt> yes, but i did agree with one comment, that he starts off with negatives
[01:56] <apokryphos> odat: alternative?
[01:56] <apokryphos> _matt: it's a good speech style, but not when it's overdone.
[01:57] <apokryphos> odat: not sure what you mean
[01:57] <odat> well instead of firefox use konqueror , instead of open office, koffice, instead of gaim, kopete, etc etc
[01:57] <_matt> odat, I think that the programs kde uses intergrate well
[01:57] <apokryphos> odat: note that gnome has gnome-office, too
[01:57] <darkheart> odat: KDE has a lot of integration, so those programs have a lot of usefulness
[01:57] <apokryphos> odat: kopete was around before gaim, I believe.
[01:57] <_matt> the other programs do not intergrate as well
[01:58] <_matt> although im a gaim fan!
[01:58] <apokryphos> and KHTML is a lot better than Gecko (what Firefox uses)
[01:58] <roland> hi
[01:58] <roland> pls help
[01:58] <_matt> hi roland!
[01:58] <apokryphos> but the key is that Konqueror has its applications, and this strengthens its integration
[01:58] <darkheart> I really liked kopete (tried it this weekend), but it doesn't support file transfers =\
[01:58] <roland> if i have kubuntu 5.10
[01:58] <apokryphos> s/Konqueror/KDE/
[01:58] <apokryphos> darkheart: on msn, irc and jabber it does
[01:58] <apokryphos> not on the others yet though unfortunately
[01:58] <roland> can i upgrade binary to kde 3.5?
[01:58] <odat> apokryphos, i know konqueror has Apple helping out quite a bit but there seems to be so much support for firefox
[01:58] <apokryphos> !tell roland about kde 3.5
[01:59] <darkheart> apokryphos: Okay, I read about the MSN support, didn't know about the other 2, but I was not able to get a transfer working this weekend on MSN account when gaim didn't seem to have trouble.
[01:59] <apokryphos> odat: Apple only took it on because KHTML was better as it was (even though most Safari devs were more experienced with gecko, I might add)
[01:59] <darkheart> Not that big of a deal though haha, don't really care about IM file transfers.
[01:59] <apokryphos> odat: note that Nokia are using KHTML now too =)
[01:59] <_matt> yes KHTML seems to be taking off!
[01:59] <apokryphos> darkheart: weird, it should work. Sometimes port forwarding helps.
[02:00] <_jason> hey.. does anyone know of a simple socket passthrough util that will throttle bandwidth?
[02:00] <visik7> someone using kopete ?
[02:00] <apokryphos> nearly everyone :P
[02:00] <visik7> I've got some diconnection problem with msn network
[02:00] <_matt> i use kopete!
[02:00] <darkheart> apokryphos: That may have been it, but apparently gaim doesn't seem to mind if that port isn't explicitly listed. Oh well =)
[02:00] <apokryphos> odat: Kopete is more advanced than gaim now, too, easily. Webcam suport is great 8)
[02:00] <odat> whats the real deal with QT
[02:00] <apokryphos> (at least for msn protocol, that is)
[02:00] <darkheart> Okay, I gotta get home. Off work =) have a great night everyone.
[02:00] <roland> what kernel does kubuntu 5.10 use?
[02:00] <apokryphos> darkheart: yup, interesting.
[02:01] <visik7> roland: 2.6.12
[02:01] <apokryphos> odat: what deal? He covers the nonsensical "Qt's not Free" business
[02:01] <visik7> roland: plus some patches
[02:01] <odat> apokryphos, webcam support for msn? correct? which is only for older version os msn messenger
[02:01] <roland> kubuntu is good to be run on a server machine?
[02:01] <roland> a smp one
[02:01] <apokryphos> odat: huhh?
[02:01] <apokryphos> roland: sure
[02:01] <visik7> roland: it has an smp kernel compiled yes
[02:02] <roland> ok thanks
[02:02] <odat> apokryphos, thats what i discovered when i install kopete the other night
[02:02] <apokryphos> what?
[02:02] <roland> im trying it out now.. download is almost finished
[02:02] <_matt> has anyone installed flight 2 dapper drake?
[02:02] <odat> qt could come back to haunt kde though
[02:02] <apokryphos> nope
[02:02] <_matt> i dont think qt will come back to haunt kde
[02:02] <apokryphos> odat: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/licensing.html
[02:03] <apokryphos> odat: hm, it doesn't mention it there, but Qt will permanently be GPL, even if Trolltech no longer owns it.
[02:03] <_matt> apokryphos - thats the second time you beat me to a link!
[02:03] <_matt> lol!
[02:03] <apokryphos> =)
[02:03] <_matt> apokryphos - whats your background?
[02:04] <apokryphos> _matt: on which desktop? ;-)
[02:04] <apokryphos> aha, here http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/myth/13
[02:04] <odat> this line doesn't scare anyone? But if you write closed source software you may not use the Qt free edition
[02:04] <_matt> you seem to know a lot about kde, r u a developer?
[02:04] <apokryphos> nope
[02:04] <apokryphos> odat: welcome to GPL
[02:04] <_matt> how long us been a fan of kde?
[02:04] <flipjarg> does kubuntu have a graphical install?
[02:05] <apokryphos> _matt: just over a year
[02:05] <odat> apokryphos, how do you mean?
[02:05] <apokryphos> flipjarg: nope
[02:05] <flipjarg> thanks
[02:05] <_matt> hi flipjarg!
[02:05] <odat> apokryphos, basic liscensing guidelines?
[02:05] <apokryphos> odat: GPL software doesn't let you close up your source after, too.
[02:05] <_matt> try sony - rootkit!  they tried it!
[02:05] <_matt> using gpl in close source!
[02:06] <apokryphos> odat: I quite like the licensing in a way. It ensures that people who don't care for the open source community use Qt and pay (hence giving some money for Qt, who *do* give back to the open source community -- the sponsor kde devs and the like)
[02:06] <apokryphos> flipjarg: it is a very easy install, however.
[02:06] <apokryphos> They're hoping to go graphical for Dapper, but who konws.
[02:06] <apokryphos> *knows
[02:06] <_matt> apokryphos - i agree, i think that works the best way - it gives the developers money and opensource some great software
[02:07] <billh> I'm happy, no to see if it boots
[02:07] <billh> no=now
[02:07] <odat> apokryphos, is that same type of agreement in place for gtk?
[02:07] <apokryphos> odat: no
[02:07] <_matt> billh are you trying to install kubuntu>
[02:07] <_matt> ?
[02:08] <billh> yes
[02:08] <billh> from the CD images
[02:08] <_matt> are you from a windows or linux background?
[02:08] <flipjarg> apokyphos: easier then gentoo
[02:08] <roland> im trying now too
[02:08] <visik7> is there a way to tell kopete to autoreconnect on disconnect ?
[02:08] <flipjarg> ?
[02:08] <billh> _matt hard core Linux all of the way dude. :)
[02:08] <apokryphos> flipjarg: you can't even compare it to a gentoo install
[02:08] <apokryphos> flipjarg: it takes half an hour for me, here (Ubuntu install), and a zillion times easier.
[02:08] <flipjarg> apokyphos: oh man, i just tried to install gentoo and threw away the disk
[02:08] <_matt> well billh - i hope you like Kubuntu then!
[02:08] <odat> if gnome is losing so bad to kde then why are there so many gtk programs and support for gnome like with the distributions of ubuntu?
[02:09] <apokryphos> flipjarg: gentoo is a mess =)
[02:09] <flipjarg> apokryphos: thank you. i think i'll try kubuntu now :-)
[02:09] <billh> yeah, Debian's KDE is killing me.
[02:09] <apokryphos> flipjarg: as a note, you can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicks in IRC :)
[02:09] <apokryphos> odat: gnome is alive and kicking, it's just not nearly as big as KDE (developer and user-wise). Competition and variety is good, I think. :)
[02:10] <flipjarg> apokryphos, oh cool, thank you :-)
[02:10] <odat> apokryphos, hmmm this is tougher than i thought lol
[02:11] <apokryphos> odat: some people (i.e. TUX Magazine) maintain that GNOME's market is decreasing, and KDE's increasing, but I wouldn't trust most statistics
[02:11] <tdmg> guys, I want to get Wine 0.9.3 but Adept defaults to 0.9.4 which is buggy, how do I change this?
[02:11] <apokryphos> odat: big thing about gnome is when they switched to metacity as the WM. They lost quite a few users there, but more importantly they lost some of their most valuable.
[02:12] <apokryphos> the KISS attitude was taken a bit too far, I'd say, unfortunately.
[02:12] <apokryphos> you don't need to sacrifice options for usability, necessarily :). KDE's usability is on the permanent uprise, as it is.
[02:12] <apokryphos> (Trolltech employ a full-time kde dev specifically for usability)
[02:13] <roland> i dont have a cd burning package with a GUI to burn my kubuntu iso image easily in slackware :(
[02:13] <Gecko> What packages do I need to install (and is there a metapackage?) for compiling kde apps?
[02:13] <_matt> apolryphos - do you know if they are shipping kubuntu CD's yet?
[02:14] <apokryphos> _matt: they're not, currently, but hopefully they will be for dapper.
[02:14] <apokryphos> see http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php
[02:14] <apokryphos> Gecko: you need the KDE includes for building any KDE app, but for each app you'll probably need a few other things too
[02:16] <apokryphos> Gecko: you can resolve dependencies, however, with build-dep.
[02:17] <Gecko> :) Thanks
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hehe so true
[02:18] <tdmg> can anyone help me?
[02:18] <tdmg> I don't want the newest Wine
[02:18] <tdmg> it's all buggy
[02:18] <tdmg> but Adept won't allow me to do anything else
[02:18] <crimsun> which version?
[02:18] <tdmg> I want 0.9.3
[02:18] <odat> apokryphos, k lets say i install kubuntu along side of ubuntu and eventually want to get rid of ubuntu how do i get it entirely off my system without a fresh install
[02:19] <tdmg> but it will only download 0.9.4
[02:19] <crimsun> then take deb-src for whatever version you want and compile it
[02:19] <tdmg> I don't see how to pick which version I want off the wine website :-/
[02:20] <tdmg> http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[02:20] <crimsun> no, use Ubuntu's deb-src
[02:20] <tdmg> can you link me up?
[02:20] <crimsun> packages.ubuntu.com/wine
[02:20] <Gecko> apokryphos, no package named build-dep here...
[02:20] <tdmg> thanks :D
[02:21] <tdmg> they don't have 0.9.3
[02:21] <tdmg> just 0.9.4 :(
[02:21] <crimsun> we didn't package 0.9.3
[02:21] <apokryphos> !tell Gecko about build-dep
[02:21] <tdmg> and then they have 20050725, but that doesn't work either
[02:22] <tdmg> so, can I compile it on my own?
[02:22] <crimsun> sure
[02:22] <apokryphos> odat: you can use debfoster, or you can remove some critical Qt pack
[02:22] <crimsun> you're responsible for breaking your own system, of course
[02:22] <tdmg> ......
[02:22] <tdmg> okay :D
[02:22] <tdmg> could you help me through it though?
[02:22] <crimsun> apt-get build-dep wine
[02:22] <odat> apokryphos, to get entirely rid of gnome?
[02:23] <crimsun> grab source, generate a deb.
[02:23] <apokryphos> odat: for gnome you could use debfoster or remove some vital gtk pack
[02:23] <tdmg> how do I make sure the source is from the right version?
[02:24] <odat> apokryphos, with dependcies that remove everything?
[02:24] <apokryphos> odat: things that depend on it, yes.
[02:24] <tdmg> okay
[02:24] <tdmg> I found the source
[02:24] <Gecko> apokryphos, wow, I have been a debian user since potato was fresh out of the oven, and I haven't even heard about that before... :(
[02:24] <crimsun> tdmg: source version doesn't really matter.
[02:24] <apokryphos> Gecko: it's very unknown, unfortunately; but very handy :)
[02:25] <tdmg> well, I got the right one anyway :)
[02:25] <Gecko> apokryphos, indeed it is
[02:25] <apokryphos> Gecko: the downside of course is that it doesn't work for packs that aren't in the repo at all (or if the newer version you're compiling has different depends)
[02:25] <apokryphos> but then again the repos for debian-basted systems are huge, and depends don't always change between versions. And never too dramatically.
[02:27] <tdmg> crimsun, I have the source code.....now what do I do?
[02:28] <tdmg> then..........?
[02:28] <Gecko> apokryphos, I know. I found out, but that wasn't a problem. I just picked any advanced kde program and took it from there...
[02:30] <crimsun> tdmg: follow the instructions in the source code's README*, INSTALL, etc.
[02:31] <tdmg> yeah
[02:31] <tdmg> I found it already
[02:31] <tdmg> thanks though :D
[02:32] <odat> apokryphos, well thanx for the chat
[02:33] <apokryphos> np
[02:33] <apokryphos> :)
[02:34] <odat> apokryphos, however like you have a belief and comfort with kde  as do I with Gnome so I guess because of us things will just keep getting better :)
[02:34] <apokryphos> perhaps, sure
[02:35] <odat> apokryphos, besides i am responsible for quite a few new linux users right now which are all using ubuntu  / gnome and i am there tech guy and they are learning linux and gnome is better suited for them. Also I can't switch it up on them now or I risk losing them back to windows
[02:36] <apokryphos> if it's better suited for them, then they (and you) should stick with it. Go for whatever you prefer; that's why we have variety :)
[02:37] <_matt> anything but changing back to windows
[02:37] <apokryphos> if it's not better suited for them, however :D
[02:38] <odat> apokryphos, here here   but i enjoyed the talk and kde is far from out of my mind    however I don't believe now is a good time for me and the others  I am a fairly new linux user too and honestly thanks to gnome I am a permant linux user. Kde just didn't give me that why i tried it a bunch of times
[02:38] <apokryphos> =)
[02:39] <odat> however that is just me i'm sure other people have the opposite experience
[02:39] <_joshua> me too
[02:39] <odat> its also refreshing knowing i can come in this room a gnome user and its all good
[02:39] <apokryphos> sure, I'm obviously not offended :P
[02:39] <odat> thats just cool
[02:39] <_matt> i use kde because i tried knoppix firsy
[02:39] <apokryphos> odat: well, of course :)
[02:40] <odat> apokryphos, i get tired of explaining sometime why there needs to be different people with different taste  some people just don't get it
[02:40] <_joshua> windows user as of 6 weeks ago
[02:41] <apokryphos> odat: we're all different ;-)
[02:42] <odat> apokryphos, i was actually downloading the packages to kubuntu and then canceled it and said to myself I've done this before and I go back to gnome . I'm a gnome user and that is just the way it is. I actually was happy to come to that conclusion and be fine with it :) .lolol
[02:43] <apokryphos> odat: I won't force anymore on it to you now, then. You have to promise that you'll try out KDE 4, though ;-)
[02:44] <odat> apokryphos, you weren't forcing anything thats why i enjoyed the conversation and I will not be closed minded to kde ever either lol
[02:44] <_matt> yer kde4 looks cool
[02:44] <apokryphos> =)
[02:45] <_joshua> when will it be released
[02:45] <_matt> october 2006 - i think
[02:45] <apokryphos> most predictions say late October
[02:46] <_matt> i want it sooner!
[02:46] <apokryphos> hehe, we all do *)
[02:46] <apokryphos> a lot of porting and work to be done, though
[02:46] <Knowerrors> !midi
[02:46] <ubotu> I heard midi is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736 or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[02:46] <_matt> have you done any work to help with the porting?
[02:46] <_joshua> can anyone tell me whats wrong with this command dpkg -L bitchx grep | bin
[02:46] <_joshua> its not working
[02:46] <_joshua> it used to
[02:47] <apokryphos> _matt: very few devs dare to touch trunk/, even now. Porting is done by a only a few of the best 8)
[02:47] <crimsun> _joshua: | grep
[02:47] <crimsun> not grep |
[02:47] <_matt> i wish i was good enought to help!
[02:47] <_joshua> so
[02:47] <_joshua> bin first
[02:47] <_joshua> k
[02:48] <crimsun> _joshua: no, foo |grep bin
[02:48] <_joshua> ahhh
[02:48] <_joshua> yes
[02:48] <_joshua> :D
[02:48] <_joshua> thanks
[02:48] <murph2481> alright newbie needs some help....
[02:49] <murph2481> I cannot open hda2 from my media folder in Konqueror (its my windows partition)
[02:49] <murph2481> how can i fix it so i can open it
[02:49] <_matt> hi murph2481 - is it an NTFS?
[02:49] <murph2481> _matt : yes it is
[02:50] <billh> This install of kubuntu also crashes on cbsnews.com
[02:50] <murph2481> _matt: i can see it in /media...but it has a lock on it
[02:50] <fckheads> help pls.. k3b says writing cd.. but nothing happens in the progress bar and its 15 minutes past... the cdwr is working hard but i dont know what to do now...
[02:50] <fckheads> writing kubuntu iso
[02:50] <fckheads> on slackware 10.2
[02:50] <billh> KDE here also bombs out the X server, bah
[02:50] <_matt> murph - have you gone into system settings?
[02:50] <murph2481> _matt: where exactly would you like me to go?
[02:51] <visik7> re
[02:51] <_matt> murph - go into system settings
[02:51] <visik7> do you got crashes from kde 3.5 ?
[02:51] <visik7> kicker and kwin
[02:51] <_matt> then disk & filesystems
[02:52] <_matt> murph2481 have you been able to go into disk & filesystems?
[02:53] <murph2481> _matt: thank you that did it :)
[02:53] <Knowerrors> Are there any konqueror based web browsers for linux? (not konqueror) , like a specialized version only for web, not filebrowsing
[02:54] <fckheads> help
[02:54] <murph2481> next question....anyone try running galleon 2.0.1 ? i cannot get it to work with Dapper Flight 2
[02:54] <_matt> ok murph2481 - glad to help!
[02:54] <visik7> Knowerrors: kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing
[02:54] <_matt> im using dapper flight 2 also - have you had any problems with it?
[02:55] <murph2481> _matt: nothing to date...it even recognizes my atheros 108 super G wireless card :)
[02:55] <murph2481> _matt: except I have to manually start it every time i boot up
[02:55] <_matt> same here!
[02:56] <billh> unfortunately, kubuntu has the same problems as Debian unstable :|
[02:56] <murph2481> _matt: yea go to kwifi and enable and jump to konsole and dhclient?
[02:56] <_matt> however, i found that when starting network connections, it asks what distro i am using
[02:56] <_matt> if i tick remember what distro i am using, it will never connect using wifi
[02:56] <_matt> then i have to reinstall
[02:57] <murph2481> yuck
[02:57] <Knowerrors> visik7: I want something thats seperate from konqueror
[02:57] <murph2481> yea i just got rid of knoppix 4.0 because it was the only one to use my wireless card
[02:57] <murph2481> but dapper flight 2 works just fine :)
[02:57] <_matt> murph2481 I was using knoppix before dapper
[02:58] <Knowerrors> visik7: it bugs me that if I have a toolbar on in filebrowsing mode, then it also shows in webbrowsing mode, no way Ive found around this
[02:58] <visik7> Knowerrors: doesn't exists but I think that it's easy to write one using kparts :)
[02:58] <visik7> Knowerrors: or just use firefox
[02:58] <Knowerrors> yeah, firefox is too dang slow, and uses alot of resources, with multiple tabs open
[02:59] <visik7> bah
[02:59] <Knowerrors> I like ff better feature wise though
[02:59] <visik7> I don't feel firefox so slow
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: 1.0.7 or 1.5?
[02:59] <Knowerrors> 1.07
[02:59] <Hobbsee> yeah, well...lol
[02:59] <visik7> apokryphos: yes but ff has extensions
[02:59] <nalioth> Riddell: if i put "deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main" in my pbuilderrc will i get source pkgs?
[02:59] <Knowerrors> Ive gotten 90% cpu usage sometimes on FF with only 4 tabs open
[02:59] <_matt> again i agree with apokryphos - i like opera the best!
[03:00] <Knowerrors> apokryphos: and opera doesn't render proper with all websites, though its got the fastest performance
[03:00] <visik7> nalioth: if there are sources yes
[03:00] <_darkheart> Yay, I'm back.
[03:00] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: KHTML does, actually, benchmark tests show.
[03:00] <apokryphos> Opera's pretty standard compliant, but not so much as Konqueror, again.
[03:00] <Riddell> nalioth: should do
[03:01] <darkheart_> I've got a slight issue w/ kdm. It seems whenever I log out, it drops me to a console screen and I have to restart kdm each time to log back in. Any ideas?
[03:01] <nalioth> Riddell: well, i 'think' i've finally got the pbuilder thing working, and am currently tryin to build arts
[03:01] <Riddell> shouldn't need anything from that archive for arts
[03:01] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: is FF 1.5 alot faster?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: yes
[03:02] <nalioth> Riddell: you gave me a build order for kde 3.5, arts is the first thing, no?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: especially if you create a nice user.js file to go with it
[03:02] <darkheart_> I would use Opera also, but it's the extensions that keep me using Firefox...I have trouble browsing w/o mouse gestures haha.
[03:03] <tdmg> guys, I just compiled the Wine source code
[03:03] <tdmg> but it doesn't seem to have installed
[03:03] <tdmg> I didn't get any error messages
[03:03] <tdmg> it just seems like nothing has happened
[03:04] <tdmg> could someone help me out?
[03:04] <darkheart_> tdmg: Compiling != installing.
[03:04] <tdmg> well
[03:04] <tdmg> I compiled
[03:04] <tdmg> made
[03:04] <tdmg> and made installed
[03:04] <tdmg> I followed the directions
[03:04] <blktiger> <-- having problem with fresh install and apt
[03:04] <darkheart_> did you make install as root? Or use sudo?
[03:04] <tdmg> I used sudo
[03:04] <darkheart_> !tell blktiger about repositories
[03:04] <Riddell> nalioth: yes
[03:04] <nalioth> Riddell: packages.ubuntu.com says breezy arts is 1.4, and i'm currently showing 1.5 being built
[03:05] <tdmg> something wrong with that?
[03:05] <darkheart_> tdmg: No, nothing wrong =) just making sure I know what you did.
[03:05] <darkheart_> tdmg: If you wanted a system-wide install, you had to use sudo ;)
[03:05] <tdmg> these are the directions I followed:
[03:05] <tdmg> http://www.winehq.org/site/docs/wineusr-guide/installing-wine-source
[03:05] <darkheart_> tdmg: Can I ask why you didn't use the repositories?
[03:05] <blktiger> if I do a fresh install and have not changed apt repos at all... why does app upgrade die on foomatic-filters-ppsd?
[03:05] <Riddell> nalioth: sounds like success then
[03:06] <_matt> well its 2:00 uk time so its goodnight from me - girls and boys!
[03:06] <tdmg> darkhear_ the repositories only had version 0.9.4
[03:06] <darkheart_> Night!
[03:06] <_matt> anyone else from UK?
[03:06] <tdmg> which is buggy
[03:06] <tdmg> I got the source for 0.9.3 which is clean
[03:06] <Riddell> _matt: yes
[03:06] <darkheart_> tdmg: Okay, good enough reason for me, just making sure there wasn't an easier solution to your problem.
[03:06] <Knowerrors> So is there a way to make konq web browser mode only display certain toolbar and menu items? permanently
[03:07] <_matt> hi riddell - where you from mate?
[03:07] <Riddell> edinburgh
[03:07] <nalioth> Riddell: providing this all works, where and whom do i send it to?
[03:07] <tdmg> nah, the repositories work fine, but that version doesn't
[03:07] <tdmg> so, what do you think might be wrong?
[03:07] <Riddell> nalioth: what are you compiling and why?
[03:07] <apokryphos> _matt: London here =)
[03:07] <darkheart_> tdmg: Right, I get that part. So did you uninstall the repository version before you installed the compiled source?
[03:07] <_matt> ok Nothampton here!
[03:07] <apokryphos> nice
[03:08] <_matt> night - guys!
[03:08] <tdmg> I uninstalled it, yes
[03:09] <darkheart_> Anyone have any clue why kdm would drop me to console after I logout? It seems to drop me to terminal 7 or 8 (which X should be running on), and I can't get it back up unless I restart it.
[03:09] <darkheart_> tdmg: Okay, so what happens when you run 'wine somewindowsprogram'?
[03:09] <nalioth> Riddell: i'm trying to compile kde 3.5 in a pbuilder for my ppc brethren
[03:09] <nalioth> Riddell: should i be doing it in a dapper pbuilder?
[03:10] <tdmg> wine: error while loading shared libraries: libwine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:10] <Riddell> nalioth: depends if you want them to be for breezy or dapper
[03:10] <Riddell> amu already has packages for ppc at http://kubuntu.org/~amu/pool/
[03:10] <nalioth> Riddell: you currently have no ppc binaries for 3.5
[03:11] <apokryphos> woo
[03:11] <nalioth> Riddell: well, that is not well known
[03:11] <tdmg> darkheart_ that's what I got
[03:11] <nalioth> so i'm recreating things already done
[03:11] <darkheart_> tdmg: =\ That sucks....You're sure there are no errors during the 'sudo make install'?
[03:11] <apokryphos> nalioth: I did mention that amu might've had some packs :)
[03:12] <nalioth> Riddell: why isnt that info listed on the kubuntu 3.5 release announcement page?
[03:12] <tdmg> darkheart_ I didn't see any errors, and it didn't end with any errors
[03:12] <darkheart_> Would be nice if you could move windows around in the pager =)
[03:12] <kalenedrael> GNOME lets you do that. :P
[03:12] <tdmg> it just ended with:
[03:12] <apokryphos> you can :)
[03:12] <tdmg> ./tools/mkinstalldirs -m 755 /usr/local/share/aclocal
[03:12] <tdmg> /usr/bin/install -c  -m 644  ./aclocal.m4 /usr/local/share/aclocal/wine.m4
[03:12] <Riddell> nalioth: amu asked for testing on the mailing list but he's not told me yet he's happy for them to go in the main kubuntu archive, you'll need to poke him to do so
[03:13] <nalioth> Riddell: so my efforts aren't needed?
[03:13] <apokryphos> Riddell: he should advertise in here, too :)
[03:13] <apokryphos> darkheart: not on 3.5?
[03:13] <darkheart_> tdmg: Yeah, I mean, I guess it would have had to install correctly for you to be able to run the wine binary....Maybe run an ldconfig?
[03:13] <darkheart_> apokryphos: No, this is on Breezy version of KDE (3.4?)
[03:14] <apokryphos> darkheart_: upgrade to latest stable, then :)
[03:14] <apokryphos> !kde 3.5
[03:14] <ubotu> somebody said kde 3.5 was at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[03:14] <darkheart_> apokryphos: Thanks =)
[03:14] <tdmg> what's an idconfig?
[03:14] <Riddell> nalioth: you'd need to coordinate with amu
[03:14] <darkheart_> tdmg: It's an 'L', ldconfig. It sets up the links for your libraries.
[03:15] <billh> My kubuntu installation didn't configure a root account. Is this normal ?
[03:15] <tdmg> I have know clue what that is or how to do it......
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> billh, indeed it is
[03:15] <darkheart_> !tell billh about root
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> billh, Kubuntu uses "sudo" by default... there is no root account.
[03:15] <billh> ah
[03:15] <billh> very good
[03:16] <Swedish_Chef> there is a root account, it's just disabled by default
[03:16] <billh> yeah, it's not a bad idea by many people's measure
[03:16] <billh> OS X does this as well
[03:16] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: "nice user.js file" got any example links of good ones?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> anythign that makes firefox render quicker
[03:17] <darkheart_> Yes, prevents a lot of new users from shooting themselves in the genitalia.
[03:17] <billh> darkheart and company thanks BTW
[03:17] <darkheart_> np billh
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/488064 is what i use
[03:17] <billh> yeah, the only problem with kubuntu, and I'm starting to think it might be something else, is that I get the same KDE crashes under amd64 that I do under Debian unstable.
[03:17] <billh> This is rather disturbing.
[03:18] <billh> cbsnews.com crashes 100 percent of the time.
[03:18] <apokryphos> I will have to try that when I'm back on my amd64
[03:19] <billh> yeah, because this should be reported, but I can't really get into kubuntu development
[03:20] <darkheart_> Okay, hopefully this upgrade works =)
[03:20] <mcquaid> hello, i'm trying to compile twinklephone (voip app) but getting an error: hecking for qmake... no
[03:20] <mcquaid> configure: error: Cannot find qmake in $QTDIR/bin.
[03:20] <darkheart_> moodin/yakuake/katapult...chew on that gnome.
[03:20] <mcquaid> i have all the qt dev files as far as i can see, and other kde apps compile fine
[03:20] <blktiger> files list file for package 'foomatic-filters-ppds' is misisng final newline    --  Anybody?
[03:21] <apokryphos> Riddell: when are you going to be interviewed by People Behind K? Stop evading! 8)
[03:21] <xtacocorex> uboto tell mcquaid about qmake
[03:21] <xtacocorex> mcquaid: can you search adept for it?
[03:21] <darkheart_> blktiger: This problem is occuring during a fresh install right?
[03:21] <blktiger> yes darkheart
[03:21] <blktiger> first apt upgrade
[03:22] <blktiger> replaced sources.list with what uboto told me
[03:22] <mcquaid> starscalling, i do have qmake in /usr/bin
[03:22] <darkheart_> blktiger: That's not good =\ Did you check the md5sum for the CD? (or did you get an official copy?)
[03:22] <mcquaid> not sure what actually package provides it
[03:22] <blktiger> umm nope I used the kubuntu dvd
[03:22] <blktiger> i have official ubuntu cd
[03:22] <darkheart_> blktiger: oh...okay, so you have everything installed, but when you try to install something it doesn't work?
[03:23] <blktiger> i get into kde fine.. when I tried to do the first apt upgrade to get patches etc.. died
[03:23] <blktiger> cant remove foomatic because kubuntu-desktop depends on it
[03:23] <darkheart_> blktiger: You can always reinstall kubuntu-desktop after you remove it.
[03:24] <blktiger> hmm trying it
[03:24] <darkheart_> apokryphos: Hmmm...I got errors trying to upgrade >_<
[03:24] <dark|blue> anyone know how to change the Shutdown/Logout picture(the one of the boring dragon)?
[03:25] <blktiger> wont let me removve it
[03:25] <apokryphos> darkheart: pastebin away
[03:25] <Riddell> apokryphos: I have already interviewed myself for people behind KDE, but I have had good reasons not to publish it so far
[03:25] <blktiger> gave me error
[03:25] <Riddell> soon though
[03:25] <blktiger> anyway to fix it or should I just reinstall.. if reinstall... is it better to do ubuntu and add kubuntu-desktop or what
[03:26] <blktiger> <-- had no problem with standard ubuntu installs in the past
[03:26] <blktiger> but quanta and fish rule
[03:27] <darkheart_> apokryphos: Where would I find errors from adept? I see it in the console window in the program, but it's not very informative.
[03:27] <Knowerrors> is seamonkey out for ubuntu yet?
[03:27] <apokryphos> darkheart: don't really know; just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:28] <darkheart_> apokryphos: Basically just says 'Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-kresources_4%3a.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy2_i386.deb'
[03:28] <apokryphos> try the above
[03:29] <adoyretsamon> in other words that file is damaged and needs to be downloaded again... try what apokryphos says
[03:29] <darkheart_> apokryphos: I am, it looks like I didn't have kdepim-resources package installed (I had to run 'apt-get -f install')
[03:29] <apokryphos> was gonna suggest that next ;-)
[03:30] <darkheart_> apokryphos: Oooh >_<
[03:30] <darkheart_> I'm getting a few lines like this though: ** (process:10696): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[03:30] <apokryphos> where?
[03:30] <darkheart_> I'll pastebin
[03:31] <dncwalk> hiya everyone..havent been here in over a year...but got a question.. how can i change the default username/hostname on the livecd for a remaster?
[03:31] <darkheart_> apokryphos: LoL this is bad. I can't load the pastebin in konq.
[03:31] <apokryphos> what's the problem?
[03:31] <darkheart_> apokryphos: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'.
[03:32] <apokryphos> darkheart: yes, you'll want to restart your KDE after you upgrade =)
[03:32] <apokryphos> darkheart: if you get no errors with your sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then things went smoothly.
[03:32] <apokryphos> key on *errors*
[03:32] <darkheart_> apokryphos: LoL okay, let me tell you what happened though. I was using adept to install, so I did a full upgrade in it
[03:32] <darkheart_> apokryphos: But it errored out about the kdepim-resources package.
[03:33] <apokryphos> darkheart: I know; just kill adepet and try that command now :P
[03:33] <darkheart_> apokryphos: It went back to the main menu and still showed those packages as upgradable, so I tried the command in the console
[03:33] <darkheart_> apokryphos: That's when I got a bunch of errors like above (the egg_desktop_entries....)
[03:33] <dark|blue> anyone know how to change the Shutdown/Logout picture(the one of the boring dragon)?
[03:34] <apokryphos> darkheart: ok, /msg them to me then
[03:34] <darkheart_> ok
[03:35] <dncwalk> apokryphos: got an answer to my question maybe?
[03:35] <apokryphos> heh
[03:36] <apokryphos> dncwalk: no idea I'm afraid
[03:36] <dncwalk> you helped me alot back in the days..
[03:36] <apokryphos> darkheart_: =)
[03:36] <dncwalk> dangit
[03:36] <darkheart_> lol
[03:36] <darkheart_> Had a feeling that was gonna happen.
[03:36] <apokryphos> dncwalk: wow, I've been using Kubuntu for over a year, how about that =)
[03:37] <dncwalk> yea..been a while
[03:37] <dncwalk> i actually remember you from here..or ubuntu
[03:37] <dncwalk> it was like 2 years ago
[03:37] <apokryphos> definitely means it's time to try another distro, but I'm too lazy -- would take some time to learn it as I know Kubuntu
[03:38] <apokryphos> dncwalk: definitely not 2 years -- I haven't been using Linux for that long :)
[03:38] <Riddell> darkheart_: konqi isn't boring!
[03:38] <dncwalk> really..
[03:38] <dncwalk> hmm
[03:38] <dncwalk> i know the nick from s0omewhere
[03:39] <darkheart_> Riddell: Wasn't me! =)
[03:39] <dark|blue> lol, ok, well, maybe I wont call him boring, but...not so "good looking" ;)
[03:39] <darkheart_> apokryphos: Okay, screw that. Haha, pastebin ---> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6517
[03:39] <dark|blue> and id rather have something else instead of him
[03:40] <apokryphos> darkheart_: and what's the conclusion of the last matter?
[03:40] <dark|blue> no one seems to know how to change it though :/
[03:40] <darkheart_> apokryphos: That's it. If those messages aren't critical, I guess it finished.
[03:41] <apokryphos> darkheart_: sure; now just restart kde and it should be fine.
[03:41] <darkheart_> apokryphos: Alright then, see you in a bit hehe.
[03:41] <Knowerrors> Anybody running timidity with softsynth for midi?
[03:43] <apokryphos> dark|blue: it's a kdmism, I'd presume -- so just check what things that installs
[03:43] <Riddell> apokryphos: you have not been using kubuntu for over a year :)
[03:44] <apokryphos> heh, miscalculated releases
[03:44] <apokryphos> reassuring, I can go on using it
[03:44] <dark|blue> well, i've allready installed kde, so cant see where it has been installed, thing is, over on kde-look, there are "guides" on how to do it, but, they dont seem to work with kubuntu
[03:44] <apokryphos> Riddell: when do you classify Kubuntu's birth, out of interest? Hoary?
[03:45] <apokryphos> dark|blue: you can; see what files kdm brings in
[03:47] <_alan> is there a way in Kbuntu to ressurect Alsa sound when it dissapeers?
[03:47] <dark|blue> hmm, does anyone else have this folder? ~/.kde/share/apps/ksmserver/
[03:47] <apokryphos> _alan: "disappears"?
[03:49] <_alan> it just vanishes , in the sense that it says loading modules setting up alsa etc on boot but then no sound
[03:49] <darkheart_> Oh...that sucks so bad..
[03:49] <_alan> all mixer levels are on and up etc
[03:49] <darkheart_> Now I can't get dual monitor support.
[03:49] <apokryphos> why?
[03:49] <darkheart_> apokryphos: No idea...I just rebooted and it doesn't work anymore.
[03:50] <darkheart_> apokryphos: s/rebooted/restarted kde/
[03:50] <_alan> does kbuntu use alsaconf?
[03:50] <crimsun> no
[03:50] <crimsun> alsaconf was removed for various reasons.
[03:51] <_alan> so how do you get alsa working again if it is not
[03:51] <crimsun> _alan: do you have an ISA card or something?
[03:51] <_alan> its a via motherboard
[03:51] <crimsun> more details?
[03:51] <crimsun> I can't read your mind.
[03:52] <_alan> could the via motherboard be isa?
[03:52] <darkheart_> Argh...any idea how to fix dual monitor support? Was working fine...
[03:52] <_alan> dumb question
[03:53] <crimsun> _alan: it _could_ be, yes.  lspci -v |grep -i audio
[03:55] <_alan> brb doing it
[03:57] <_alan> it just goes to next prompt line no error
[03:57] <_alan> what does  lspci -v |grep -i audio do?
[03:58] <Knowerrors> Anybody here try Tavia khtml based web browser?
[04:02] <darkheart_> What might prevent KDE from using my second monitor? I've an ATI card and the fglrx driver is installed, I just upgraded to KDE 3.5 though and it broke my dual monitor support
[04:02] <darkheart_> I tried running fglrxconfig again to generate the xorg.conf, but it doesn't seem to work.
[04:08] <m_tadeu> hi everyone....I don't seem to be able to pair bluetooth devices...how to do it?
[04:11] <_alan> my sound card iis via 8235
[04:14] <_alan> can anyone help me with a sound problem
[04:16] <tdmg> how do I get my NVidia drivers to install openGL headers?
[04:16] <visik7> I've amarok and firefox (run with artsdsp) playing 2 audio but I can listen only to one
[04:17] <tdmg> anybody? :-/
[04:18] <tdmg> :(
[04:22] <_steven> I have always used gnome-never thought KDE was this cool. ;)
[04:23] <tdmg> I repeat.....can anyone help me with me NVidia drivers?
[04:23] <Tm_T> what about it?
[04:24] <_steven> only thing is firefox looks a little strange...
[04:24] <Tm_T> tdmg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/binaryhowto/NVIDIA
[04:24] <Tm_T> good enough?
[04:24] <tdmg> thanks :D
[04:24] <tdmg> I'll try it out :)
[04:29] <_steven> why does firefox look "strange" using Kubuntu(KDE)? strange I mean outdated looking interface
[04:33] <visik7> _steven: fix it using K->sys_pref->aspect->gtk styles and fonts...
[04:34] <_steven> visik7, thanks
[04:35] <seth_k|lappy> _steven, if you don't have that option, you need to install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[04:37] <_steven> ahh
[04:37] <visik7> kubuntu should install by default (at least kubuntu-desktop package)
[04:38] <_steven> yes it installed by default
[04:40] <_steven> I fixed it somewhat (using qt);however, that does leave me with the question.  Why does firefox depend on Gtk config?
[04:41] <visik7> firefox is written in gtk
[04:42] <_steven> hmm, are you sure about that?
[04:43] <xtacocorex> firefox's xul uses gtk calls
[04:43] <visik7> http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/system-requirements.html
[04:43] <xtacocorex> someone mentioned that here a while ago
[04:43] <visik7> as u can see gtk2 is required
[04:47] <visik7> ok here  is 3:47 ZULU - time to sleep
[04:52] <_steven> hm ok thanks
[04:57] <xwolf-> what's X?
[04:58] <jsubl2> X is short for X display manager -- Xorg
[04:58] <xwolf-> what's Xorg?
[04:58] <xwolf-> O_o
[04:59] <jsubl2> google
[05:00] <jsubl2> http://www.x.org/
[05:11] <damnhil> what's the difference between edubuntu and ubuntu?
[05:31] <xwolf-> how can i run my installed kubuntu from vmware?
[05:33] <duckx0r> does anyone know where the khotkeys config file is stored?
[05:34] <duckx0r> hmm nm i found it (i think)
[05:35] <xwolf-> duckx0r tell me
[05:37] <duckx0r> xwolf-, ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc
[05:38] <duckx0r> I'm trying to figure out how I can create a hotkey (keyboard shortcut > keyboard input) that inputs the left arrow
[05:38] <duckx0r> but I can't seem to figure it out
[05:38] <xwolf-> good luck.
[05:41] <duckx0r> yeah i know i'm gonna need it
[05:41] <xwolf-> is there a program that allows me to *run* my *installed* kubuntu from windows?
[05:42] <xwolf-> i thought of vmware but just figured out all it does is emulation
[05:43] <duckx0r> vmware isn't an emulator
[05:43] <xwolf-> whatever... it doesn't seem to do what i want
[05:43] <duckx0r> it should let you run it if you configure it right
[05:44] <xwolf-> all i want is to run kubuntu from windows while i have a really big download in progress
[05:44] <xwolf-> then i'll just take vmware out
[05:45] <duckx0r> lol
[05:45] <duckx0r> i dunno
[05:46] <xwolf-> there doesn't seem to be somebody who does (or either a program that actually does what i need)
[05:48] <xtacocorex> starscalling: the url for the wiki page to irc info seems to be incorrect: ht/toptp://wiki.kubuntu.org/InternetRelayChat
[05:49] <xtacocorex> starscalling: in the topic, forgot to mention that
[05:49] <starscalling> xtacocorex, tell um
[05:49] <starscalling> naloith or so :D
[05:49] <starscalling> im not an op
[05:49] <xtacocorex> starscalling: oh, i just saw your name in the topic set thing
[05:50] <starscalling> ya
[05:50] <starscalling> it wasnt locked to ops only changing it earlier and someone did
[05:50] <starscalling> so i tested and got the kops to change
[05:50] <xtacocorex> nalioth: the url for the wiki page to irc info in the topic seems to be incorrect: ht/toptp://wiki.kubuntu.org/InternetRelayChat
[05:50] <starscalling> try um !kops please fix topic
[05:50] <starscalling> or so
[05:50] <starscalling> make it http anyway lol
[05:51] <xtacocorex> starscalling: ah, i think i was around for that
[05:51] <nalioth> xtacocorex: can you fix it please?
[05:51] <nalioth> xtacocorex: is it correct now?
[05:51] <xtacocorex> nalioth: it looks good now
[05:51] <starscalling> testing :)
[05:52] <xtacocorex> link works for me
[05:52] <starscalling> same here
[05:52] <starscalling> ok bbiab
[05:53] <xtacocorex> ok
[06:22] <moshe> does anyone know why mkisofs would return "Unable to make a DVD-Video image.
[06:22] <moshe> " without any other information or clues?
[06:47] <blackflag> hello all,
[06:47] <blackflag> can someone tell me how I can edit a PDF file?
[06:47] <blackflag> I can do an import with kword
[06:48] <blackflag> but alot of of signs are away after importing
[06:48] <blackflag> Is there a better way?
[07:03] <blackflag> nobody knows something?
[07:06] <blackflag> I can not find a PDF editor for Linux
[07:07] <blackflag> Does someoen know  software who can edit PDF's ?
[07:07] <viviersf> you cannot edit pdf's
[07:07] <viviersf> :/
[07:07] <blackflag> why not?
[07:08] <blackflag> Under m$ I can
[07:08] <viviersf> with what app ?
[07:08] <blackflag> with adobe professionell
[07:08] <viviersf> ok look
[07:08] <viviersf> pdf = adobe
[07:09] <viviersf> so their apps can
[07:09] <viviersf> you can use an hack to edit them
[07:09] <viviersf> pdf2html
[07:09] <viviersf> converts it to html
[07:09] <viviersf> then you just need a way to make a new one
[07:09] <viviersf> or convert html to pdf
[07:10] <blktiger> is there a way to make splash screen say kubuntu in blue again
[07:10] <blackflag> okay, but I have an existing PDF formular that I want to edit
[07:10] <blackflag> I tried kword to imort
[07:11] <blackflag> but during import there is  a information loss
[07:11] <viviersf> hmmm
[07:11] <blackflag> so not all from pdf is imported
[07:11] <viviersf> yeah
[07:11] <blackflag> but Im able to edit
[07:12] <blackflag> But the imported PDF dont look like the original
[07:12] <viviersf> lol
[07:12] <viviersf> yeah
[07:12] <blackflag> may be there is a trick?
[07:12] <viviersf> its cos the information loss
[07:12] <viviersf> maby it looses colors / settings / styles aswell
[07:13] <blackflag> yes
[07:13] <blackflag> So how I can do a good import?
[07:14] <blackflag> or converting to .ps and import in scribus
[07:14] <blackflag> pdf2 ps dont work here
[07:14] <blackflag> I installed the lastest ghostscript
[07:15] <blackflag> but when I use pdf2ps it gives errors
[08:03] <leafw> adept appears to be hanged after I pushed "upgrade" for the linux kernel. Anyone knows what it is doing? I didn't push "commit", so is it only downloading or what?
[08:05] <leafw> I just can't figure out what in the world must it be doing
[08:06] <leafw> and wether it'd be unwise to kill it
[08:06] <leafw> I need to get stuff done
[08:11] <leafw> anyone alive ?
[08:13] <mez_> I think there are lots of people in the world who are alive
[08:18] <aftertaf> happy new year to all :] 
[08:26] <dandielionous> Does anyone know what the financial program for kubuntu is?
[08:26] <seth_k|lappy> dandielionous, kmymoney2
[08:27] <dandielionous> ty seth_k|lappy
[08:27] <dandielionous> I just got the program installed finally.
[08:27] <dandielionous> Been working on getting my computer running right after switching to linux for three weeks now.
[08:28] <dandielionous> Been working on getting kubuntu installed since 6:00 last night.
[08:28] <dandielionous> Reinstalled my system about 6 times today.
[08:28] <dandielionous> Nice to have an easy answer for once.
[08:28] <dandielionous> ty
[08:29] <JabberWo1ky> Why would you need to reinstall six times?  I didn't want to ask for fear he would answer...
[08:29] <kkathman> yah...dont understand that one
[08:31] <Hobbsee> who reinstalled 6 times?  and why?
[08:31] <kkathman> good question
[08:32] <sampan> maybe he just liked the install screens
[08:35] <JabberWo1ky> Can dependencies be added to packaged debs?  I've been building several packages for my own use with checkinstall, and figured I might toss them online, but checkinstall seems to ignore dependencies.  wlassistant, basKet 0.6a, etc.
[08:36] <JabberWo1ky> BTW -- the new year release of the new BasKet is quite nice...
[08:37] <Hobbsee> JabberWo1ky: you were building basket with checkinstall?
[08:37] <JabberWo1ky> Hobbsee: Yup.
[08:37] <JabberWo1ky> Works fine.
[08:38] <Hobbsee> do you have a link there of the updated version?
[08:38] <JabberWokky> Yeah... hang on a sec...
[08:39] <Hobbsee> JabberWokky: dont worry, i found it
[08:40] <JabberWokky> Probably better, anyway... it has two lib dependencies (acl and extended attr) that aren't indicated in the package I made.
[08:41] <JabberWokky> http://cheshirehall.org/utilities/deb/basket_0.6.0Alpha1-1_i386.deb   (For what it's worth)
[08:44] <Hobbsee> JabberWokky: ah...no wonder i only saw 0.5.0!
[08:44] <R0bNyc> if u had a choice what would u choose .. Electronics engineering Technology (1) , Networking Technology (2) , Industrial Electronics Technology (Computer Technology Track) (3) , Industrial Electronics & Networking Technology (Double Major) (4), or Business Administration - Accouting (
[08:46] <JabberWokky> Hobbsee: He says it's stable, and other than input/export (which is stubbed off with a "not yet" dialog box), it works great.  BIG leap over the old version.  I thought 0.5 was a semi-neat toy.  0.6 just got added to my default session on my desktop.
[08:46] <aftertaf> JabberWokky:  what's basket do?
[08:47] <JabberWokky> R0bNyc: I'd choose something that I thought I'd enjoy.  Your career will bounce around after graduation and you can make a living with any of those.
[08:47] <JabberWokky> aftertaf: http://basket.kde.org/
[08:47] <aftertaf> hehe
[08:48] <aftertaf> linux is diy :] 
[08:48] <Mez> hehe
[08:48] <Mez> I said KY
[08:48] <JabberWokky> Heh, well, it's either a URL or I paste the "What is it?" paragraph from that same page.  The URL gives you pretty pictures.
[08:49] <aftertaf> lol
[08:49] <JabberWokky> Mez: Yup.  But I probably have been using it longer than you.  ;)   It's intentionally misspelled for kibo'esque reasons.  I got tired of somebody else having the same handle.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> JabberWokky: ah ok, i dont think they put alpahs into the repositories though
[08:50] <Mez> JabberWokky, I used since 98 - but meh :D :P
[08:50] <JabberWokky> Mez: Around 1988 for me.  :P   Xandar before that, and then I hit somebody in France with it.
[08:50] <blackflag> is there a way to convert a PDF to EPS ?
[08:50] <Mez> lol
[08:50] <Mez> :)
[08:51] <JabberWokky> Mez: After the internet went commercial, I gave up and accepted that people will duplicate short strings.
[08:51] <JabberWokky> Hobbsee: Yeah - I'm looking at packaging some nice little packages and tossing them up on my webpage for people to use.
[08:51] <Mez> lol :D
[08:51] <Mez> yeah - I know 4 people (including me) IRL that use the nickname Mez
[08:52] <Hobbsee> JabberWokky: use the effort you'd spend there, and learn to package properly, then upload to revu - kubuntu wants more developers
[08:52] <Mez> which reminds me
[08:52] <Mez> we have someone waiting to join the kubuntu-dev team
[08:52] <Hobbsee> oh?
[08:53] <Mez> ah
[08:53] <odat> gnome vs kde is oh so clear to me now
[08:53] <Mez> Riddell got there
[08:53] <aftertaf> lol
[08:54] <JabberWokky> Hobbsee: Yeah - that's Option 2, but since I'm already packaging my own debs with checkinstall, I figured adding dependencies would be a minimal step to at least make them available for people who don't know what to do with source.
[08:54] <Hobbsee> JabberWokky: debian/control <-- modify the file as appropriate
[08:56] <JabberWokky> Is there a resource for ubuntu packaging specifically, or is the Debian HOWTO the best starting point?
[08:57] <apokryphos> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[08:58] <JabberWokky> apokryphos: Thanks.
[08:58] <JabberWokky> apokryphos: Or rather, damn you to heck for giving me something else to go through and figure out.  ;)
[08:58] <Mez> JabberWokky, #ubuntu-motu-school
[09:07] <fatejudger> is there a way to change printer margins?
[09:16] <billh> What's the best way of making all apt-gets use the http protocol instead of the CD drive ?
[09:16] <billh> It's doing that for some packages and I'd like it to stop
[09:17] <billh> duh, never mind :)
[09:25] <fatejudger> sorry to ask this again, but I had to close Konversation when I restarted KDE
[09:25] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to set printer margins?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> got no idea sorry fatejudger - no one answered
[09:27] <sampan> system settings --> printers (click on the printer in question) --> instances (tab) --> settings --> margins (tab) ?
[09:28] <sampan> at least that's where it is for me ... as well as in print dialog boxes of kdeprint/cups apps
[09:34] <fatejudger> sampan: thank you
[09:34] <fatejudger> sampan: my documents seem to be printing right off the edge of the paper...
[09:37] <sampan> were you able to adjust it?  still borked? or printing properly now?
[09:38] <sampan> i had that happen once -- dunno if it was the same cause, but i had to reset the paper size from A4 (euro/world standard?) to US Letter
[09:40] <dani> hi everyone
[09:43] <dani> hello?
[09:46] <Hobbsee> hi dani
[09:59] <kareljan> hello
[09:59] <penguinzdr> hi
[09:59] <kareljan> I'm new in Linux
[09:59] <kareljan> And I want to install realvnc
[09:59] <kareljan> But I have no Idea how to do it :-)
[10:00] <kareljan> can anyone help me?
[10:01] <kareljan> there is an install script, but it doesn't seem to work. Or I don't use i right
[10:02] <kareljan> anyone?
[10:03] <penguinzdr> use kaffeine
[10:03] <kareljan> thats a mediaplayer?
[10:06] <kareljan> it doesn't recognize any file
[10:09] <penguinzdr> yes , it is
[10:09] <penguinzdr> you must install some packages to play
[10:09] <penguinzdr> i don't remember wich
[10:44] <lwizardl> !dvdrip
[10:44] <ubotu> lwizardl: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:44] <lwizardl> !dvd:rip
[10:48] <lwizardl> ok why won't adept or apt-get find dvd:rip
[10:49] <ndazza> because the package name doesn't have a : in it
[10:50] <lwizardl> i've tried dvdrip & video-dvdrip
[10:50] <crown> dvdrip is in the list
[10:50] <ndazza> dazza@dazzle:~$ apt-cache search dvdrip
[10:50] <ndazza> dvdrip - perl front end for transcode
[10:53] <ramtha> hi
[10:53] <ramtha> short sed question
[10:54] <ramtha> how can i add after each line a ";" with something like sed?
[10:54] <ndazza> hi
[10:54] <kareljan> can someone help me with the installation of realvnc? (www.realvnc.com) I'm a total newbie in linux
[10:54] <ndazza> try sed 's/$/;/'
[10:55] <ndazza> kareljan: server or client?
[10:55] <kareljan> server
[10:55] <ndazza> ramtha: $ represents the end of line character IIRC
[10:56] <ndazza> ramtha: if you want it to operate on a file it's something like sed -i <pattern> <filename>
[10:56] <ndazza> kareljan: try tightvnc. Install the package tightvncserver using adept or kynaptic
[10:57] <ndazza> kareljan: from memory it will work with realvnc clients
[10:57] <ramtha> thx
[10:57] <ramtha> i try
[10:58] <lwizardl> ok what is the dvdrip called
[10:58] <kareljan> ok thanx
[10:58] <ndazza> lwizardl: the package is called dvdrip. it's in multiverse so make sure u have that in your sources.list
[11:00] <kareljan> ndazza:  tightvnc is not in the list
[11:00] <ramtha> ndazza: this places a ";" before every line..any hint to put it after every line?
[11:00] <ndazza> ramtha: whoops! try ^ instead of $
[11:01] <tenco> someone using the kiosk framework here?
[11:01] <ndazza> kareljan: it's in the universe repository, make sure that is in your list of sources
[11:02] <ramtha> ndazza: with $, the first caracter of every line will be replaced with ;. with ^ a ; will be put before every line
[11:03] <ramtha> not behind every line :)
[11:03] <lwizardl> ndazza: i thought i had both multiverse and universe enabled
[11:03] <ndazza> lwizardl: hmm, have you done an update? there's also a package called vncserver in universe, and one called svncserver, vnc4server, ...
[11:04] <kompaso> someone knows why a kubuntu dapper breaks just at the beginning of install on a laptop?
[11:04] <kareljan> ndazza: the universe repository?????
[11:04] <kareljan> I'm a newbie
[11:04] <ndazza> ramtha: man sed. i thought it was $ or ^ but perhaps i'm wrong
[11:04] <ndazza> ramtha: or in konqueror, info://sed
[11:07] <ndazza> kareljan: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:08] <kareljan> thanx
[11:10] <ndazza> np
[11:12] <kareljan> ndazza: I have installed the package but I don't see it in the menu
[11:12] <ndazza> kareljan: try alt+f2 -> vncserver
[11:13] <ndazza> or tightvncserver
[11:13] <spikeh> is it possible to change the scroll wheel settings in Kubuntu?
[11:13] <ndazza> depending on which package you installed
[11:13] <kareljan> I installed the tightserver
[11:13] <lwizardl> ok how can i make sure universe & multiverse are setup correctly
[11:14] <ndazza> kareljan: then i think it's tightvncserver...
[11:14] <ndazza> lwizardl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:14] <kareljan> ndazza: ok I did that
[11:14] <kareljan> ndazza: how can I see if it's running?
[11:15] <ndazza> lwizardl: also look over /etc/apt/sources.list and look for references to universe and multiverse
[11:15] <ndazza> kareljan: if i remember anything about vnc, it should have asked u to set a password...
[11:15] <ndazza> kareljan: otherwise, you could go to a command prompt and type netstat -tanpl
[11:16] <ndazza> kareljan: look for an application listening on the VNC port (i don't remember what port that is...)
[11:17] <ndazza> kareljan: you could also read the man page for tightvncserver, alt+f2 -> man://tightvncserver
[11:18] <kareljan> ndazza: now it gives a font error
[11:19] <ndazza> kareljan: okay, don't know what that is! try opening konsole and running man tightvncserver
[11:19] <kareljan> did that an than it gives the font error
[11:20] <ndazza> while konsole is opening? or when you try to run the command?
[11:20] <wsjunior> i've just installed ubuntu 5.10 but i really hate gnome.. is there an easy way to transform ubuntu in kubuntu without have to download kubuntu's iso and install everything again?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> wsjunior: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:20] <kareljan> Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/' not found - ignoring
[11:20] <ndazza> wsjunior: there's a package called kubuntu-desktop which will install it for you
[11:21] <kareljan> ndazza:  this is it
[11:21] <wsjunior> ndazza, will it uninstall gnome as well?
[11:21] <ndazza> kareljan: when does that error pop up? while konsole is starting? or after you get to a command prompt?
[11:21] <ndazza> wsjunior: no
[11:22] <ndazza> wsjunior: i don't know of an easy way to remove gnome, but it will happily co-exist beside kde
[11:22] <kareljan> ndazza: I types tightvncserver in the console it asked fora password and then it says that it can't find the fonts
[11:22] <spikeh> is it possible to change the scroll wheel settings in Kubuntu?
[11:22] <ndazza> kareljan: ahh. okay, perhaps the packagers fudged the font directories or something. try one of the other packages, like vncserver
[11:30] <wsjunior> ndazza, thank you!
[11:30] <ndazza> wsjunior: no worries
[11:30] <wsjunior> Hobbsee, thanks :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> !+removegnome
[11:31] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> hey, i had that in there!
[11:31] <Hobbsee> no problems wsjunior
[11:34] <Hobbsee> !+removegnome
[11:34] <ubotu> I heard removegnome is to fully remove gnome, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96046
[11:34] <Hobbsee> wsjunior: ^
[11:35] <kareljan> usage: vncserver [:<number>]  [-name <desktop-name>]  [-depth <depth>] 
[11:35] <kareljan>                  [-geometry <width>x<height>] 
[11:35] <kareljan>                  [-pixelformat rgbNNN|bgrNNN] 
[11:35] <kareljan>                  <Xvnc-options>...
[11:35] <kareljan>        vncserver [-clean]  -kill :<number>
[11:35] <kareljan> ndazza:  how do I use this?
[11:35] <penguinzdr> how can i untar tgz archives?
[11:35] <wsjunior> Hobbsee, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is installing kde 3.4.3 how to install kde 3.5?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> add the kde3.5 repo
[11:36] <Hobbsee> !+kde3.5
[11:36] <ubotu> I guess kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[11:36] <Hobbsee> see that announcement
[11:36] <wsjunior> i'll take a look now
[11:37] <lwizardl> ok i do have it all enabled
[11:39] <Hobbsee> that extra repository?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> then update, and upgrade
[11:39] <Hobbsee> !tell penguinzdr about tar
[11:40] <penguinzdr> !tar
[11:41] <penguinzdr> hmm... ubotu don't tells me anything
[11:41] <Hobbsee> it should
[11:42] <Hobbsee> !+tar
[11:42] <ubotu> somebody said tar was ,TAR archives ,in the GUI use 'FileRoller' for all your extraction needs, to extract tar archives from the command line 'tar -xf <file.tar>' or if they are gzipped/bz2zipped use 'tar -xzf <file.tar.gz> '  or  'tar -xjf <flie.tar.bz2> '  respectivly.  'man tar' for more info.
[11:42] <penguinzdr> maybe irssi don't opens automatically a query window?
[11:42] <Hobbsee> it does, when someone sends you a message - alt+number that's on the bottom of the screen
[11:42] <Hobbsee> anyway, it's tar -xf <file.tar>
[11:42] <penguinzdr> ok
[11:45] <lwizardl> did the update & upgrade
[11:46] <lwizardl> still no dvdrip
[11:48] <Hobbsee> dvdrip?
[11:49] <lwizardl> dvd backup program
[11:49] <lwizardl> i have both multiverse & universe enabled
[11:49] <lwizardl> did the update/upgrade
[11:49] <lwizardl> and its still not there
[11:51] <Hobbsee> what about sudo apt-get install dvdrip?
[11:51] <lwizardl> E: Couldn't find package dvdrip
[11:52] <Hobbsee> !info dvdrip
[11:52] <ubotu> dvdrip: (perl front end for transcode), section multiverse/graphics, is optional. Version: 1:0.52.5-0.0 (breezy), Packaged size: 365 kB, Installed size: 1656 kB
[11:52] <Hobbsee> are you sure you got multiverse enabled?
[11:53] <lwizardl> everything with deb with a # before it i removed the #
[11:53] <Hobbsee> !tell lwizardl about multiverse
[11:54] <Hobbsee> multiverse you have to manually add
[11:55] <lwizardl> ok i'll try that
[12:00] <lwizardl> hmm seems that worked
[12:02] <Hobbsee> lwizardl: oh good!
[12:10] <spikeh> some applications such as VLC media player have a horrid monospace font, is it possible to change this?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> spikeh: in kcontrol, fonts?  there's a monospace font setting...
[12:11] <spikeh> Hobbsee: I've tried that but it doesn't apply to VLC
[12:12] <Hobbsee> darn!
[12:12] <spikeh> Hobbsee: the same applies to applications like XMMS
[12:28] <hunika> hello
[12:28] <hunika> help me
[12:28] <hunika> how do i disable
[12:28] <hunika> my firewall
[12:29] <hunika> help me
[12:29] <hunika> how do i disable my firewall
[12:29] <hunika> totally disable
[12:30] <hunika> Anybody here/
[12:30] <hunika> ?
[12:32] <hunika> nobody here?
[12:37] <puckman> of course there are people here :P
[12:39] <hunika> puckman: help me
[12:40] <hunika> puckman: i installed kmyfirewall and now i cna not disable it
[12:40] <puckman> I would have no idea how to do that, soorry.
[12:43] <Xemanth^> hunika: iptables --flush ?
[12:43] <Xemanth^> :)
[12:43] <hunika> Xemanth^: yes
[12:43] <hunika> just help me
[12:44] <Xemanth^> hunika: iptables --flush removes all firewall rules
[12:44] <hunika> Xemanth^: to disable that firewall
[12:44] <hunika> Xemanth^: how
[12:44] <hunika> ?
[12:44] <Xemanth^> hmm haven't ever used kmyfirewall
[12:44] <hunika> Xemanth^: just disable everything
[12:44] <hunika> Xemanth^: how I make that?
[12:45] <Xemanth^> hunika: in konsole sudo iptables --flush
[12:46] <hunika> Xemanth^: i need a restart
[12:46] <hunika> ?
[12:57] <hunika> Xemanth^:  thanks a lot
[12:57] <hunika> Xemanth^: it is ok now
[12:58] <Xemanth^> hunika: no problem
[12:58] <Xemanth^> :P
[12:58] <SirKillalot> how can I turn off the autosearch of kbluetoothd for new BT devices?
[01:00] <hunika> Xemanth^: thanks thanks again
[01:08] <Xemanth^> hunika: *kiss*
[01:08] <hunika> Xemanth^: where are you from
[01:09] <Xemanth^> hunika: finland
[01:09] <hunika> Xemanth^: I am from a little bit far from there! ROMANIA
[01:09] <Xemanth^> oh :)
[01:13] <hunika> Xemanth^: What?
[01:14] <Xemanth^> hunika: thats far away
[01:14] <hunika> Xemanth^: I am hungarian anyway
[01:15] <hunika> Xemanth^: Probably you've heard that hungary was divided after the World War
[01:15] <Xemanth^> zdravo?
[01:15] <Xemanth^> yeah i have heard :P
[01:16] <hunika> Xemanth^: so my mother tongue is hungarian but my passport is romanian :(
[01:16] <_matt> Hi everyone!
[01:18] <Xemanth^> hunika: yop, now i'm little quiet because i'm rather buzy
[01:18] <Xemanth^> quite* i mean
[01:19] <hunika> Xemanth^: No problem. I don't disturb you. I leave you to work
[01:27] <Sastkryptlox> how do i find out which bversion of kubuntu i am running on my system? ^^
[01:27] <Sastkryptlox> (sorry for the newbie question ;))
[01:34] <SirKillalot> is there something in konqueror similar to nautilus' computer:/// path?
[01:34] <SirKillalot> where I can see all mounted devices
[01:35] <_matt> hi sirkillalot
[01:35] <SirKillalot> hi
[01:36] <_matt> mounted devices - go in to system  settings
[01:36] <_matt> then disk & filesystems
[01:36] <_matt> this will show you your disks
[01:36] <_matt> look at the ones that are 'enabled'
[01:37] <SirKillalot> I want to access them through konqueror, that's the point
[01:37] <SirKillalot> in nautilus you can list all mounts in 'computer:///'
[01:37] <SirKillalot> is there such acronym in konqueror?
[01:38] <_matt> im not too sure about the acronyn, however, knonqueror is simplified in kubuntu
[01:38] <SirKillalot> hm, i didn't know that
[01:39] <SirKillalot> for example?
[01:39] <_matt> in order to get the left panel back - so that you can see mounted points go here
[01:39] <SirKillalot> press F9
[01:39] <_matt> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php
[01:39] <_matt> then 'How do I change Konqueror back to the default KDE profiles?'
[01:40] <_matt> does this help?
[01:40] <SirKillalot> lets see
[01:40] <_matt> let me know!
[02:11] <FHX_away> Hi, could anyone help me? I'm getting some nasty make errors.
[02:12] <FHX> Heh. Guess not.
[02:17] <nkuttler> is gnome in kubuntu as well? or can i mix ubuntu and kubuntu sources if i want gnome and kde?
[02:19] <Tonio_> nkuttler: it is not installed by default
[02:19] <Tonio_> but of course tou can install it if you want
[02:19] <`Nomad> !menu
[02:19] <ubotu> `Nomad: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:20] <nkuttler> Tonio_: ok, great
[02:21] <`Nomad> Good morning all..  I run KDE 3.5 and I forgot what the command is to refresh the menu items.. I installed many new things that don't show up..
[02:37] <chelu> hi
[02:37] <chelu> I've problems installing amsn
[02:37] <chelu> I try with the .deb and the .bin
[02:38] <chelu> but both send an error
[02:38] <chelu> the .deb can't find "path" and the .bin need tcl-dev but I can't install it via apt-get
[02:38] <chelu> what can I do?
[02:42] <Tonio_> chelu: are you installing it from an official repo <,
[02:42] <Tonio_> ?
[02:42] <Tonio_> what version are you installing ?
[02:44] <visik7> had anyone try gplflash2 ?
[02:50] <hunika> Tm_T: hello
[02:50] <hunika> Tm_T: are you there?
[02:59] <chelu> Tonio_: soz I was eating
[02:59] <chelu> i'm trying to install 0.95-1
[03:00] <chelu> downloaded from the official web page
[03:00] <chelu> but I can run it
[03:00] <Tonio_> according to what I remember the debian package given doesn't work fine...
[03:00] <Tonio_> let me have a look
[03:00] <chelu> oks, thx
[03:01] <Tonio_> chelu: stupid question but why using gaim instead of kopete ?
[03:01] <Tonio_> I mean, gaim isn't well integrated in kubuntu....
[03:01] <chelu> i'm using kopete atm
[03:02] <chelu> but I'd like to use amsn
[03:02] <Tonio_> hum sorry for my post, s/gaim/amsn, of course
[03:03] <Tonio_> chelu, any specific need of 0.95 version instead of the actual 0.94 ?
[03:03] <chelu> yes, I need the webcam support
[03:04] <chelu> but I remember that 0.95 is the last stable
[03:04] <Tonio_> yes but not in ubuntu....
[03:05] <Tonio_> I didn't found a package for breezy, but it appears that you have an amsncvs debian package on the freecontrib repo
[03:05] <chelu> what can I add that repo to my apt?
[03:05] <chelu> I'm noob :(
[03:07] <Tonio_> let me check
[03:07] <chelu> oks, thx a lot
[03:07] <Tonio_> no pb, anyway, if I may give you my point of view
[03:08] <chelu> oks
[03:08] <Tonio_> the best way to get confortable with ubuntu if you're a noob is to manage to do with the official repos only as long it is possible
[03:08] <Tonio_> other packages are not tested, validated etc...
[03:09] <chelu> aham
[03:09] <Tonio_> I personaly prefer to use another software waiting for my preferred one to be packaged with the good version than starting using external repos
[03:09] <Tonio_> so if I were you, I would probably wait for dapper and use kopete
[03:09] <chelu> aham
[03:09] <Tonio_> but let me give you the repo url
[03:09] <Tonio_> then you do what you want
[03:10] <chelu> oks, thx again
[03:10] <Tonio_> add this repo using adept or directly in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:10] <Tonio_> http://antesis.freecontrib.org/mirrors/ubuntu/freecontrib/ breezy free non-free
[03:10] <Tonio_> copy the full line
[03:11] <Tonio_> then update and install the package called amsncvs
[03:11] <chelu> ookey, I'm trying
[03:11] <Tonio_> k
[03:13] <chelu> now is downloading
[03:13] <chelu> it appears to work fine
[03:14] <chelu> thank you very much Tonio_ :D
[03:14] <Tonio_> no pb :)
[03:23] <fischi> does anyone know in which package HEAD is located?
[03:26] <apokryphos> fischi: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:27] <fischi> ok thx apokryphos :)
[03:32] <Tm_T> hunika: ?
[03:32] <hunika> Tm_T: do you remember i said to you about that kopete problem
[03:32] <hunika> Tm_T: but you leaved
[03:32] <Tm_T> ah, what problem
[03:33] <hunika> Tm_T: My contacts can not see my contact photo, but i can see theirs. I DO NOT HAVE A FIREWALl
[03:33] <Tm_T> ah
[03:33] <Tm_T> that problem
[03:34] <Tm_T> check your global identity settings
[03:34] <hunika> Tm_T: what to look for?
[03:34] <hunika> it is enabled
[03:36] <Tm_T> and has contact photo too?
[03:36] <Tm_T> you should not choose bigger photo than 96x96
[03:36] <hunika> yes
[03:36] <hunika> it has
[03:36] <hunika> it is not a big photo
[03:36] <Tm_T> check that one
[03:37] <Tm_T> try with something small, like 48x48
[03:37] <Tm_T> just for test
[03:37] <hunika> ok
[03:37] <hunika> but my contacts are not online at the moment
[03:37] <Tm_T> I am
[03:38] <hunika> Tm_T: my msn email hbajtalan@hotmail.com
[03:38] <Tm_T> added
[03:52] <Tm_T> hunika: Good luck ;-P
[03:52] <hunika> Tm_T: thanks :)
[03:53] <hunika> Tm_T: another thing is that yahoo users can not send files to me
[03:55] <admrl> hunika did you say what im client you are using..?
[03:55] <ninHer> hi all
[03:55] <hunika> admrl: KOPETE
[03:56] <JakubS_> is it possible to have networkmanager connecting immediately, before kde session and nm-applet is launched?
[03:57] <admrl> hunika: file sharing isnt too old in kopete so it is most likely a bit touchy
[03:59] <admrl> hunika: have you tried using gaim..?
[03:59] <admrl> or yahoo has a linux client
[03:59] <admrl> and you could try that also
[04:01] <hunika> admrl: Gaim is too old, it does not have a style, a beauty, it looks like windows
[04:01] <hunika> 95
[04:01] <admrl> lol
[04:02] <hunika> admrl:  the whole GNOME looks like Windows 95
[04:02] <buz> (as it doesnt seem to tbe possible to have popups driven by kmail filtering)
[04:02] <admrl> then if how it looks is more important than usability than dont complain :)
[04:05] <hunika> admrl: do you use skype linux?
[04:05] <admrl> no
[04:05] <admrl> i actually use kopete
[04:06] <admrl> when i first came to linux i used kopete but file sending in kopete wasnt ready for me so i wasnt ready for kopete
[04:06] <admrl> i used gaim until kopete did what i wanted it to do
[04:06] <hunika> admrl: but you don't use voice calling?
[04:06] <admrl> no
[04:06] <hunika> ok
[04:06] <hunika> than
[04:09] <admrl> hunika: if you have a question and no one on here can help i would suggest a google search tho
[04:09] <hunika> admrl: I have just a small question not problem
[04:10] <hunika> admrl: Skype for Linux is quite old is not it?
[04:10] <Tm_T> hunika: should not be that old
[04:11] <admrl> i first heard about it less than a year ago
[04:11] <hunika> Tm_T: it does not looks like the one for Windows. And in windows skype I have video support too
[04:12] <admrl> hunika: have you got your webcam working at the moment..?
[04:12] <hunika> admrl: my dog has broken my webcam :)))))))))))))))))))))
[04:12] <hunika> admrl: I can not use it now
[04:12] <hunika> :)))))))))))))))))))))))
[04:12] <admrl> hunika: have you tried it in ubuntu..?
[04:13] <hunika> admrl: what?
[04:13] <admrl> the drivers in ubuntu for most or all webcam drivers is broken by default and must be recompiled
[04:14] <hunika> admrl: here I am talking about a skype version for Linux that supports video calls
[04:15] <admrl> ok coming to your computer you arnt talking about using your webcam and having someone seeing you
[04:16] <hunika> admrl: yes I am just asking if there is a beta version of skype for linux which supports video calls
[04:18] <admrl> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9547010460.html
[04:18] <admrl> Skype has hinted that its new video phone service -- available only for Windows XP users at this time -- will likely be available for Linux and Macintosh soon,
[04:18] <admrl> that is from december 1st of 2005
[04:23] <admrl> hunika: anything else..?
[04:23] <hunika> admrl: no thanks.. Thanks again
[04:24] <admrl> yep yep
[04:27] <hunika> If I have forgotten my password at freenode
[04:27] <hunika> how can i get it?
[04:27] <hunika> admrl: ?
[04:29] <admrl> lol i have noooo clue
[04:29] <hunika_> whoops
[04:30] <admrl> make a new one** i was trying to say
[04:30] <admrl> *****/<nick hunika_ than make a new account with freenode
[04:30] <admrl> that would be the best i can tell you
[04:34] <admrl> anyone using the new version of amsn
[04:35] <beast> admrl: i am
[04:36] <admrl> beast: does webcam support actually work
[04:36] <beast> admrl: yes it does
[04:37] <apokryphos> very well, yup
[04:37] <beast> admrl: ink too
[04:37] <admrl> they clamed it in the cvs a while back but you had to do some funny things with some dependencies that i was too scared to try
[04:37] <admrl> beast: it works out of the box?
[04:38] <admrl> w/o any tweaking
[04:38] <beast> admrl: yes, it should
[04:38] <admrl> wow thats interesting
[04:39] <admrl> i wish i was at home :(
[04:40] <admrl> it wouldbe fun to try
[04:40] <beast> :)
[04:47] <s43767> anyone knows of a (bash?) script for 5.10 that will install mp3/java/swf/dvd/etc... ?
[04:49] <apokryphos> s43767: /msg ubotu easyubuntu
[04:49] <admrl> s43767: id suggest adding ubuntu plf repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:49] <s43767> thx
[04:49] <s43767> admrl: ?
[04:50] <admrl> s43767: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[04:50] <admrl> :)
[04:50] <admrl> that has everything you need and once you have it added
[04:51] <admrl> you can use adept or synaptic or apt-get or whatever you use to install all of those things
[04:51] <admrl> :D
[04:51] <s43767> cool
[04:51] <admrl> at the link it tells you how to do everything from the command line
[04:51] <admrl> and if you k now about bash scripts you should know how to use the commandline
[04:53] <xwolf-> is there a reason why vmware doesnt complete the booting of kubuntu installed here? (i created a vm with hard drive set as my own) it seems as if it just got nothing to do after "Checking battery state... [ok] "
[04:53] <Bizzeh> hey
[04:53] <Bizzeh> i cant seem to get my X server to start
[04:53] <Bizzeh> complains of "no screen"
[04:54] <eksajm> its something uncorrect in the config file
[04:54] <Bizzeh> looks like its because it cant find my gfx card
[04:54] <Bizzeh> pci-e radeon x700
[04:54] <GenghisKhan> Bizzeh: look for other complaints
[04:54] <admrl> Bizzeh: is it like that right after install..?
[04:54] <Bizzeh> yes
[04:54] <Bizzeh> right after install
[04:54] <admrl> alright so you havnt tried to install drivers correct..?
[04:54] <admrl> drivers for your graphics card
[04:55] <Bizzeh> not yet, i was trying to use the standard stuff first
[04:55] <Bizzeh> im grabbing the amd64 drivers for linux from ati now
[04:56] <admrl> is this your first boot
[04:56] <Bizzeh> didnt work on first, second, third of fourth
[04:56] <swen> yes!
[04:57] <admrl> alrighty i think the amd64 drivers is the best idea you could get unless your drivers are in the ubuntu repositorys
[04:57] <admrl> do you know much about the commandline..?
[04:57] <Bizzeh> yes
[04:57] <NPC_Crys> Hey, I can't get lame installed. I checked apt-get as well as adept.
[04:57] <Bizzeh> i cant get my wireless up tho
[04:58] <Bizzeh> can someone make the bot tell me about rt2500
[04:58] <NPC_Crys> !tell bizzeh about rt2500
[04:58] <NPC_Crys> bizzeh just pm the bot and enter rt2500
[04:59] <Bizzeh> i dont kno what the bots name is
[04:59] <admrl> ifconfig i think would be a command used to bring up a connection
[04:59] <NPC_Crys> ubotu
[04:59] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: add multiverse. i think lame is in multiverse
[04:59] <xwolf-> is there a reason why vmware doesnt complete the booting of kubuntu installed here? (i created a vm with hard drive set as my own) it seems as if it just got nothing to do after "Checking battery state... [ok] "
[04:59] <NPC_Crys> genghiskhan I think I have multiverse enabled.
[04:59] <hyperactivecrond> Is it possible to take the Kubuntu iso image, expand upon it to make it dvd size, take the resulting iso and burn it onto a dvd so it can be a live linux on dvd?
[04:59] <Bizzeh> i iwconfig'ed my ra0 to set the ssidand encryption, i dont kno how to make it connect to the router/ap though
[04:59] <hyperactivecrond> kubuntu live iso*
[05:00] <NPC_Crys> hyperactivecrond: Yes, but I can't tell you how.
[05:00] <hyperactivecrond> NPC_Crys: instructions on how to customize i've found on the wiki
[05:00] <hyperactivecrond> but a cd iso image will boot from a dvd?
[05:01] <admrl> hyperactivecrond: Pclinuxos has an app on the live cd after you do a hd install that will let you make a livecd
[05:01] <NPC_Crys> I don't know. Try it. I know you can boot from a dvd, though.
[05:01] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: lame is in multiverse in breezy. look at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:01] <NPC_Crys> There is a live/install dvd option.
[05:01] <hyperactivecrond> admrl: why do that when i can customize the kubuntu cd/
[05:02] <NPC_Crys> GenghisKhan: so how do I add multiverse to adept? I thought I allready had.
[05:02] <admrl> ive never done any work with live cds i just new of that script and thought it would be usefull for what you are doing
[05:02] <hyperactivecrond> NPC_Crys: i mean to take the livecd, expand it so that it's more than a cd size (dvd size) than burn it to a dvd
[05:02] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: dunno, i allways edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand
[05:03] <NPC_Crys> hyperactivecrond: If you have a spare dvd just try it, right? couldn't hurt.
[05:03] <hyperactivecrond> lol NPC_Crys ok
[05:04] <NPC_Crys> Sounds like the only thing that could hurt you was if there is a significant difference between the structure of a burned dvd and cd and I just have no clue about that.
[05:08] <NPC_Crys> Hey GenghisKhan How do you edit your repositories by hand?
[05:09] <admrl> NPC_Crys: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:09] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: use vim/emacs/whatever to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:09] <NPC_Crys> It looks like adept manages repositories by uncommenting lines in the sources.list file.
[05:11] <admrl> thats the same way synaptic and any other apt-get front end does it
[05:11] <admrl> :)
[05:11] <NPC_Crys> I was just about to ask that.
[05:11] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: i have pasted my sources.list in kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:11] <NPC_Crys> So whenever I enter synaptic or adept it checks this list and just runs apt-get install for me?
[05:12] <admrl> apt-get update if you want to do it from command line
[05:12] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/488811
[05:13] <NPC_Crys> Man, are those spanish?
[05:14] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: yes, they are. it doesn't matter put the ones you like
[05:14] <xwolf-> http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/6717/boot5oi.jpg
[05:14] <xwolf-> is there a reason for this vm to stop what it's doing at this exact moment in the shot?
[05:15] <NPC_Crys> So if I take the ones you pasted and just substitute in the us for the es then I am in business, right?
[05:15] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: seems some problem with acpi
[05:15] <admrl> i would think en
[05:15] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: yes
[05:15] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan what could i do?
[05:16] <NPC_Crys> I don't need the source repositories, right?
[05:16] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: no if you don't want to download sources
[05:16] <xwolf-> off to lunch, back soon
[05:16] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: there are options to boot without acpi. something about noacpi
[05:17] <NPC_Crys> too many ?'s?
[05:18] <apokryphos> kkathman: ??
[05:18] <kkathman> yo
[05:18] <apokryphos> kkathman: why did you leave?
[05:19] <apokryphos> I was just playing with you now since you were an op; expected you to retaliate with a boot :P
[05:19] <kkathman> ohh no I'd not do that..esp to you
[05:19] <kkathman> I was just trying to get a script right in kvirc..and it wasnt working for some reason
[05:20] <apokryphos> kkathman: just playing around =)
[05:20] <kkathman> seems to work fine on any other command except /op
[05:20] <apokryphos> (I of course didn't mean anything by it)
[05:20] <kkathman> ohh I thought you were trying to tell me not to do that
[05:20] <apokryphos> kkathman: what are you trying to do? Get it to auto-op you in a chan that you're in?
[05:20] <apokryphos> of course not :)
[05:20] <kkathman> no
[05:20] <apokryphos> kkathman: join back in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:21] <kkathman> apokryphos: was trying to just set an alias called /op
[05:22] <NPC_Crys> Got it! Commiting changes. And now to rip some mp3's. Thanks, GenghisKhan.
[05:22] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: you're wellcome
[05:23] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: just remember ogg is better and cooler :-) never mind
[05:23] <NPC_Crys> I know, but I have an ipod, and they don't like ogg files.
[05:23] <visik7> anyone using kopete and msn + file transfer ?
[05:23] <NPC_Crys> too bad for me.
[05:23] <visik7> when I recive a file it is 0 bytes
[05:24] <GenghisKhan> NPC_Crys: same with my portable player
[05:24] <pussfeller> how can I make HAL or kmount or whatever mount my ipod at /media/pusspod  always instead of a random sd device
[05:25] <NPC_Crys> Then you know my hell. I have a linux box which can quickly compress oggs and a player that won't read them. Sucks.
[05:25] <NPC_Crys> Okay, time for the lurking. I'll be back when I'm trying to make amarok work with my ipod.
[05:25] <GenghisKhan> pussfeller: you need to make a udev rule
[05:26] <pussfeller> they have udev on breezy?
[05:26] <GenghisKhan> pussfeller: yes
[05:26] <pussfeller> what syntax GenghisKhan would that take
[05:27] <pussfeller> NPC_Crys, if yer going to use amarok especially with an ipod, you should get an svn script and buiild it yerself, its a pain but recent svns work much better all around with ipods
[05:28] <pussfeller> tho i think svn is currently broken
[05:28] <GenghisKhan> pussfeller: look at one i have for my mp3 player at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/488827
[05:29] <pussfeller> ifkubuntu used volume names it would make more sense
[05:29] <pussfeller> they do in that media doodad but not in the file space
[05:30] <GenghisKhan> pussfeller: as i have configured it, my player gets /dev/mp3 and then it gets mounted in /media/mp3
[05:31] <pussfeller> where do i get the sysfs from? lshal?
[05:32] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:33] <GenghisKhan> pussfeller: udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sda
[05:33] <GenghisKhan> pussfeller: there is great info for udev rules at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[05:34] <pussfeller> tys GenghisKhan im going to play with this and see how it goes
[05:37] <GenghisKhan> pussfeller: i think that with -> BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="iPod",  NAME{all_partitions}="pusspod", GROUP="hal", MODE="640" <- it will work
[05:37] <dandielionous> Hello
[05:37] <GenghisKhan> pussfeller: that was taken from http://mnm.uib.es/gallir/posts/2005/04/22/249/
[05:56] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan, how do i edit grub's boot parameter noacpi? is that gonna complete the booting with vmware? it's strange cause it doesnt happen when i'm doing it the old way
[05:57] <C-O-L-T> I need a download manager for linux which after finishing the download shuts down my computer
[05:57] <C-O-L-T> I need a download manager for linux which after finishing the download shuts down my computer
[05:57] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: i think is noacpi, but not sure. edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and in the kernel line add noacpi
[05:58] <C-O-L-T> I need a download manager for linux which after finishing the download shuts down my computer
[05:58] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: but i have no idea on how to change it without booting. can you mount the vmware image?
[05:58] <xwolf-> define 'mount vmware image'
[05:59] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: mount the files in the image to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst from your running system
[05:59] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[05:59] <JohnFlux> How do I burn the iso image to a dvd in windows?
[05:59] <JohnFlux> I know it's a windows question, but I have a kubuntu iso image.. ;)
[06:00] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan actually, it's a real installation.. it's on my HDD and everything, i just don't want to shut down windows while it's download a big bunch of files right now... so i thought of vmware, but it doesnt complete booting
[06:01] <GenghisKhan> JohnFlux: well, i don't use win, but i think nero has something to do it
[06:01] <xwolf-> JohnFlux just run your nero or similar burning software and give it a try. if it does not accept the compilation, you'll know
[06:02] <JohnFlux> i tried nero, but it will only burn the cdrom iso to a blank cdrom, not a dvd :(
[06:02] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: ah, i didn't know that. then you can boot the installation and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, but i don't know if it will work. i think it isn't worth
[06:02] <JohnFlux> I can't see why people like nero
[06:02] <JohnFlux> it just annoys me constantly
[06:03] <JabberWokky> JohnFlux: You may well really like k3b.  I do.
[06:03] <JohnFlux> JabberWokky: I love k3b.  but i need to burn kubuntu to a dvd to install it ;)
[06:03] <xwolf-> JohnFlux well, there's your answer. you can't burn a cd image to a blank dvd
[06:03] <JabberWokky> No real help in the Wikis.  Edubuntu has the single like:  If you're using Nero CD burner in Microsoft Windows, or K3b in KDE, you can select the burn ISO CD image option, and select the edubuntu cd image file.
[06:03] <JohnFlux> xwolf-: .... I'm sure that's not true
[06:03] <JohnFlux> is it?
[06:04] <xwolf-> if nero complains, why would it be true?
[06:04] <JohnFlux> because nero isn't exactly the best piece of software
[06:04] <xwolf-> i could be wrong, anyways
[06:04] <xwolf-> there are many cleverer guys here
[06:04] <JabberWokky> I have never done it, but somebody did tell me you could (and he was pretty with it)
[06:05] <JabberWokky> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial114.html
[06:05] <JabberWokky> ImgBurn is Windows freeware (see above link)
[06:05] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan the thing is, i can't boot the installation right now ;> and even if i do, i would have to edit it just to use vmware, and when he is not needed, edit menu.lst again?
[06:06] <nandasunu> anyone alive?
[06:06] <JohnFlux> JabberWokky: ah I found an app isoburn which seems to be working.
[06:06] <JabberWokky> nandasunu: No, this is the Undead Linux Channel.
[06:06] <kkathman> about 6 billion in the work I reckon nandasunu :)
[06:06] <JohnFlux> not sure if it will actually work ;)
[06:06] <nandasunu> I will take that as a yes ;)
[06:06] <JabberWokky> JohnFlux: Is it freeware or free software?
[06:06] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: in vmware you have access to the grub menu, don't you?
[06:07] <JohnFlux> JabberWokky: freeware
[06:07] <nandasunu> I just installed kde on my ubuntu setup and have a n00b question
[06:07] <JohnFlux> JabberWokky: i don't care - it's only to get linux installed ;)
[06:07] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan yes.
[06:07] <kkathman> nandasunu:  just ask the question and maybe someone will help you
[06:07] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: then you can edit it from grub
[06:07] <kkathman> if they know the answer
[06:07] <JohnFlux> nandasunu: ask don't ask to ask :)
[06:07] <JabberWokky> JohnFlux: Might be a good idea to add something to the Kubuntu Wiki about that.  I don't use windows or I would do it myself (I'd have to guess at stuff).
[06:07] <nandasunu> how do I access the history in konquerer?
[06:07] <JohnFlux> JabberWokky: link?
[06:08] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan i choose Ubuntu kernel 'something' there, and it starts to boot kubuntu, but never finishes
[06:08] <nandasunu> I am totally new to kde
[06:08] <JohnFlux> nandasunu: the location bar is a drop down box, no?
[06:08] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan how can i edit it?
[06:08] <JabberWokky> JohnFlux: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[06:08] <nandasunu> JohnFlux: that doesn't display the full history, only entered urls as far as I can see
[06:09] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: select the Ubuntu kernel 'something' you are booting and press e instead of enter
[06:09] <JohnFlux> JabberWokky: can you do it.  i need to create an account etc etc
[06:09] <JohnFlux> nandasunu: check the menus maybe :)
[06:09] <JohnFlux> nandasunu: there's #kde
[06:10] <JabberWokky> JohnFlux: Yep - At the very least I'm going to create a stub with a link to ImgBurn.  Do you have a link to isoburn?
[06:10] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan what's acpi anyways?
[06:10] <JohnFlux> http://dpaehl.dd6338.kasserver.com/cdr/isoburn.php
[06:10] <nandasunu> JohnFlux: thanks
[06:10] <JohnFlux> http://dpaehl.dd6338.kasserver.com/cdr/isoburn.zip
[06:10] <JohnFlux> xwolf-: power management
[06:11] <JohnFlux> xwolf-: also includes hibernation and suspend etc
[06:11] <JohnFlux> nandasunu: the first link is a page with a link to the second
[06:11] <xwolf-> my virtual machine isn't completing boot because POWER MANAGEMENT? what a dick
[06:11] <JohnFlux> okay i'm going to test the dvd
[06:11] <JabberWokky> JohnFlux: Thanks.  I'm tossing the links into a basket and will toss a page up later this evening.  I'm surprised there's not already a page, since there's pretty good help on installing once you *have* the disc.
[06:12] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: yes, it has something to do with the laptop battery, and as vmware implementation may not be very good it may give problems
[06:12] <JohnFlux> xwolf-: ah. possibly yeah.  boot with noacpi
[06:12] <JohnFlux> xwolf-: press 'e' and add that to the kernel line
[06:12] <JohnFlux> xwolf-: noacpi=1     rather
[06:12] <C-O-L-T> I AM CURRENTLY AWAY
[06:13] <JohnFlux> actually just noacpi  should work as well
[06:13] <JohnFlux> C-O-L-T: away messages are stupid :P
[06:13] <xwolf-> is it stupid to say i am not using a laptop? lol
[06:13] <JohnFlux> xwolf-: makes no difference
[06:14] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: ubuntu will allway check for laptop. also acpi is also useful in desktops
[06:14] <xwolf-> ok, well, i have 5 lines: root something, kernel /boot/something, initrd /boot/something, savedefault, boot
[06:14] <xwolf-> where should i put the 'noacpi=1' newline?
[06:15] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: it's not newline, it goes in the kernel line
[06:16] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: just after splash
[06:16] <xwolf-> ok
[06:21] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan i was getting this from the very first booting:
[06:21] <xwolf-> /etc/init-d/alsa-utils: Warning: 'alsactl-restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card AudioPCI'
[06:21] <xwolf-> but it didn't seem to be a problem, is it?
[06:21] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: afaik no
[06:22] <xwolf-> ok then, it is on 'checking battery state... [ok] '
[06:22] <xwolf-> let me wait a few minutes
[06:23] <thegladiator> hi
[06:24] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan well, it still goes for a walk after checking battery, and never comes back
[06:24] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: try pressing ctrl+c
[06:25] <xwolf-> what's that?
[06:25] <xwolf-> nothing happens too
[06:27] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan don't let me lose hope :P
[06:28] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: it sends a terminate signal. sometimes the process wich is hangin dies and the booting continues
[06:28] <xwolf-> it doesn't respond, nothing happens.. what does that mean?
[06:29] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: in a real system you could try caps lock to see if the kernel is death
[06:29] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: probably it has some problem with vmware's acpi and the process hangs
[06:30] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: you could disable the battery checking, but i'm afraid that you'll need to edit files in you linux partition
[06:31] <xwolf-> I am afraid, cause it seems i won't be able to fix it
[06:32] <thegladiator> GenghisKhan, there is a basic doubt i have reagrding KDE , the minimizer window , is vertically stackde as opposed to horizontal in gnome
[06:32] <thegladiator> like when i minimize a app , it gets stacked vertically , 2 in a column and then another 2 in a clomun so on
[06:32] <thegladiator> can I make it look like gnome?
[06:32] <thegladiator> full horiz ?
[06:33] <thegladiator> GenghisKhan, do you get me ?
[06:33] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: this is because the bar is high and there is space for 2 apps. you can make it half high and then it will put all apps horizontally
[06:34] <thegladiator> how to make it half high ?
[06:34] <thegladiator> just change in properties ?
[06:34] <thegladiator> i am on XFCE now
[06:34] <thegladiator> installing kde
[06:35] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: right click on the panel -> configure panel -> size -> small
[06:36] <thegladiator> thanks
[06:37] <thegladiator> GenghisKhan, you meant apps as in kde applications suits you better than gnome applications?
[06:37] <thegladiator> the usability and memory havent been the issues ?
[06:38] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: no i mean that when i started using linux (mandrake) i started with kde and i got used to kde apps. then i tried gnome, but i missed my konqueror and my ...
[06:38] <sorush20> hi
[06:38] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: i never got used to gnome. besides that, amarok rocks
[06:38] <sorush20> I keep getting kde communication error when it crashes.. can someone help please
[06:39] <thegladiator> true
[06:39] <sorush20> kate keeps crashing from the command line like sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.lits
[06:40] <thegladiator> i use amarok on gnome
[06:41] <JakubS_> is there mysql server 5.0 package for kubuntu?
[06:42] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: well, i use gimp in kde
[06:44] <thegladiator> ah
[06:45] <damnhil> HOW do I enable/disable init services in command line?
[06:46] <heix> hi
[06:46] <heix> how update sourse list
[06:47] <heix> Check that you have write access to this file
[06:49] <xwolf-> GenghisKhan how do i do the same thing (booting my own machine), but with qemu?
[06:51] <heix> help me please
[06:51] <eksajm> helix sudo apt-get update ?
[06:51] <GenghisKhan> xwolf-: dunno, i have never used qemu in windows
[06:52] <heix>  no no from  /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:52] <eksajm> yeah? update downloads the package lists specified in source list
[06:53] <eksajm> heix what do you mean?
[06:54] <heix> i want add some new lines there like "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main"
[06:56] <heix> if i whant install gaim or fire fox i use command apt-get install firefox! afther that my linux want kubuntu cd
[06:57] <heix> i want to download from net
[06:57] <heix> like from debian
[06:57] <MrFaber> Hi
[06:57] <heix> there is no need for cd
[06:58] <MrFaber> Has anyone experiences with touchpads and scrolling with two fingers like Mac OS?
[06:58] <GenghisKhan> heix: remove de cd line in sources.list
[07:00] <heix> no permission
[07:01] <_martin_> Rightclick -> actions -> edit as root
[07:02] <sas171> hi, I have some problems with my Kubuntu 5.10 on boot time. It stop booting while Battery state checking... I installed Kubuntu 10 minutes ago and changed only pppoeconf and xorg.conf... at the first boot time all was right. some ideas?
[07:03] <heix> where i do: "Rightclick -> actions -> edit as root"
[07:04] <heix> damn me
[07:04] <heix> tnx for all
[07:05] <_martin_> :P
[07:08] <_francesco> Hello, how can I share some files in a Windows network? (2 pc with winxp, with an adsl 4-port-switch router) Please help me!
[07:08] <_francesco> I should join that network with my laptop (kubuntu breezy)
[07:08] <sas171> _francesco: keyword samba?
[07:10] <_francesco> sas171: do I need to configure it? is it difficult?
[07:10] <GenghisKhan> _francesco: yes and no
[07:10] <sas171> _francesco: i think its very difficult... but try to smoke wiki
[07:11] <_francesco> :(
[07:12] <heix> hmm??
[07:12] <GenghisKhan> _francesco: don't believe him. usually default config will be ok or will requiere a minor tweak
[07:12] <sas171> so no ideas about my boot problem, should i reinstall kubuntu?
[07:13] <_francesco> what's your problem sas171?
[07:13] <heix> how i can get frozen-bubble  (apt-get install frozen-bubble not work)???
[07:13] <sas171> I have some problems with my Kubuntu 5.10 on boot time. It stop booting while Battery state checking... I installed Kubuntu 10 minutes ago and changed only pppoeconf and xorg.conf... at the first boot time all was right. some ideas?
[07:14] <_francesco> no, I'm really sorry...
[07:14] <sas171> =(
[07:14] <psyk> ok how do you unzip files in kubuntu
[07:14] <psyk> is it a *.zip file
[07:14] <xwolf-> psyk tar
[07:15] <psyk> tar *.zip?
[07:15] <psyk> that didnt work
[07:18] <psyk> i got cl inflate i hope thats a good one
[07:20] <psyk> now i dunoo how to run it
[07:20] <WiLD> I have KUbuntu 5.10 Breezy. What I do to run a DivX on Kaffeine?
[07:22] <GenghisKhan> WiLD: start kaffeine, open the divx and click play
[07:22] <heix> how i can get frozen-bubble  (apt-get install frozen-bubble not work)???
[07:23] <bam_> did you try and see if its there first
[07:23] <WiLD> It speak me that "There were no decoders found to handle the stream..."
[07:23] <bam_> apt-cache search frozen
[07:24] <heix>  such file or directory
[07:24] <WiLD> ???
[07:24] <heix> no  such file or directory
[07:24] <GenghisKhan> WiLD: install kaffeine-xine
[07:24] <_matt> hi!
[07:24] <thegladiator> how do i open the kcontrol from the GUI in kde ?
[07:25] <heix> kDE
[07:25] <WiLD> GenghisKhan: this package is on DVD??
[07:25] <_matt> hi the gladiator
[07:25] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: K menu -> System Settings
[07:25] <thegladiator> thanks
[07:25] <GenghisKhan> WiLD: no, it's in universe
[07:26] <_matt> or open a konsole and type   sudo kcontrol
[07:26] <_matt> then enter your password
[07:26] <_matt> this shows you the default kcontrol panel
[07:26] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: but hoary has a modified control panel
[07:26] <thegladiator> got it
[07:26] <thegladiator> i am breezer
[07:26] <thegladiator> looks modified as well
[07:27] <thegladiator> does kubuntu mount my hard disk ?
[07:27] <WiLD> GenghisKhan: I haven't this package, I have kaffeine-gstreamer
[07:27] <thegladiator> like it does in gnome?
[07:27] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: sorry, breezy has the modified control panel
[07:28] <GenghisKhan> WiLD: install it then
[07:28] <_matt> thegladiator - is your hard disk a ntfs format?
[07:28] <thegladiator> nope
[07:28] <thegladiator> fat
[07:28] <_matt> ok, go into kontrol panel then disk and filesystems
[07:29] <_matt> this shows you the enabled hd's on your system
[07:29] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: well, kcontrol will show the default kde pannel and K -> System Settings the kubuntu pannel
[07:29] <_matt> is the FAT on enabled?
[07:29] <thegladiator> enabled
[07:30] <thegladiator> but i dont see on my desktop as it does with ubuntu
[07:30] <_matt> ok does it show a mount point?
[07:30] <thegladiator> yep
[07:31] <thegladiator> even the mount point
[07:31] <thegladiator> do the dektop doesnt have it by default ?
[07:31] <_matt> ok, can you navigate to the mount point and then enter the Fat disk from there?
[07:31] <thegladiator> its there in gnome desktop by default
[07:31] <_matt> (just checking that you can open the fat disk)?
[07:32] <thegladiator> yep
[07:32] <thegladiator> i can do that as well
[07:32] <thegladiator> the problem is that in my gnome dek there are those icons to get in directly
[07:32] <thegladiator> not here
[07:32] <thegladiator> shud I paste it all over ?
[07:32] <_matt> cool!  ok on the desktop right mouse button
[07:33] <_matt> create new, then link to location
[07:33] <_matt> enter in the mount point to your fat disk
[07:33] <thegladiator> yep thats shud affect my gnome dekstop i guess no ?
[07:34] <eksajm> can i find mplayer in any repository?
[07:34] <eksajm> sorry i found it
[07:34] <eksajm> ;=
[07:34] <_matt> thegladiator - have you installed kubuntu-desktop on a ubuntu system?
[07:35] <_matt> or is it a fresh kubuntu install?
[07:35] <thegladiator> yep
[07:35] <thegladiator> not fresh
[07:36] <thegladiator> have the breezy cd with me
[07:36] <_matt> ok, lets look at the settings!
[07:36] <_matt> on the desktop right mouse button - configure desktop
[07:36] <_matt> select 'behaviour' then 'device icons'
[07:37] <thegladiator> yeah a sec
[07:37] <_matt> is the mounted hard drive volume ticked?
[07:37] <thegladiator> nope :)
[07:37] <_matt> try ticking it!
[07:38] <thegladiator> yep did that
[07:38] <thegladiator> no effect as of now i guess
[07:38] <thegladiator> but i have already made links
[07:38] <WiLD> GenghisKhan: Where I can download kaffeine-xine? I haven't this package on my dvd!!!!
[07:38] <_matt> ok - does this work for you?
[07:39] <thegladiator> this didnt make any adiitional effect
[07:39] <GenghisKhan> WiLD: add universe to your apt sources
[07:40] <WiLD> GenghisKhan: Yes, of course
[07:40] <thegladiator> _matt, it seems some of my Icons from gnome appears without name - no name in dekstop
[07:40] <WiLD> ahahah
[07:41] <_matt> thegladiator - to be honest i only have a kubuntu installation so do not know gnome that well!
[07:41] <thegladiator> np :)
[07:41] <thegladiator> thanks
[07:42] <thegladiator> you downloaded ?
[07:42] <_matt> yes - dapper drake!
[07:42] <thegladiator> guess they dont have ship it
[07:42] <thegladiator> dapper ?
[07:42] <thegladiator> dapper will come with ship itfor k ?
[07:42] <_matt> have you managed to make a 'link' on your dekstop to your fat?
[07:42] <thegladiator> thats nice new
[07:42] <thegladiator> news
[07:43] <thegladiator> i managed to do it manually
[07:43] <_matt> dapper drake will be the next version of ubuntu
[07:43] <thegladiator> the other thing didnt make any visible effect
[07:43] <thegladiator> you mean dapper is on kde ?!
[07:43] <thegladiator> thats fabulous then i must say
[07:43] <thegladiator> they are leaving gnome for the good?
[07:44] <_matt> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[07:44] <_matt> flight-2 dapper tesing CD
[07:44] <thegladiator> thanks
[07:44] <_matt> this is a testing CD of the next version - if you wanna test it, then do.
[07:44] <_matt> but not recommended for 'critical' systems
[07:44] <thegladiator> i know
[07:45] <_matt> ubuntu are not leaving gnome, kubuntu is a fork using the kde desktop
[07:45] <thegladiator> i see
[07:46] <_matt> but imho kde is better than gnome - but thats just my opinion!
[07:46] <GenghisKhan> _matt: kubuntu is not a fork, kubuntu is a set of packages in the main component of ubuntu
[07:46] <_matt> yes, sorry your correct
[07:47] <_matt> kubuntu gives you kde desktop and ubuntu gives you gnome desktop
[07:47] <thegladiator> from the live cd or the install cd ,ca n i replace my /usr/share/pixmpas directoy ?
[07:47] <thegladiator> i messed up with the directory by replicatong some of the pics
[07:48] <sas171> is there some kde tool to establish pppoe connection?
[07:50] <thegladiator> brb
[07:50] <thegladiator> restart session
[07:55] <_matt> how many people are using/testing the flight-2 dapper drake install?
[07:58] <sas171> ok, is there some tool to manage adsl connections?
[07:58] <udomsak> hi all
[07:59] <sas171> udomsak: =)
[07:59] <udomsak> keycodes:   xfree86+aliases(qwerty)
[07:59] <udomsak> types:      complete
[07:59] <udomsak> compat:     complete
[07:59] <udomsak> symbols:    pc(pc104)+us+th:2
[07:59] <udomsak> geometry:   pc(pc104)
[07:59] <udomsak> what mean's on symbols line ?
[07:59] <_matt> hi udomsak!
[07:59] <udomsak> :2 <---  man setxkbmap ?
[07:59] <thegladiator> it seems my My COmputer and Home are being browserd through nautilus on KDE
[07:59] <udomsak> hi _matt
[07:59] <thegladiator> how can I set it to open with konqueror ?
[08:00] <thegladiator> ah
[08:00] <sas171> thegladiator: change the laucher?
[08:00] <thegladiator> exactly
[08:00] <thegladiator> but how can I paste it ?
[08:01] <thegladiator> like can I paste fmo the menus ?
[08:01] <thegladiator> drag and drop ?
[08:01] <sas171> sorry no ideas
[08:01] <_matt> thegladiator - are you looking a going to kde permanantly?
[08:01] <thegladiator> yes
[08:01] <thegladiator> why ?
[08:01] <thegladiator> aint that better ?
[08:01] <udomsak> Now i can't use Alt+Shift to toggle group
[08:01] <thegladiator> i dont like nautilus
[08:01] <_matt> would a fresh install work?
[08:02] <thegladiator> i cant do fresh install since there is no cd
[08:02] <_matt> using the kubuntu install disk?
[08:02] <thegladiator> and I dont have much speed to download
[08:02] <_matt> i see
[08:02] <thegladiator> this is fine with me now i guess
[08:03] <mcscruff> ello
[08:03] <jokele> _matt: i used flight-2 to install my system. worked very well beside the problem, that "auto eth0" wasn't added (but that is already mentioned on the website)
[08:04] <_matt> thegladiator - you can order the cd from http://www.linuxiso.co.uk/home.php?cat=255
[08:04] <mcscruff> i have breezy running well so im not updating till Dapper is stable
[08:04] <syl> hi
[08:04] <_matt> jokele, I have the same problem with auto eth0!
[08:05] <thegladiator> thanks
[08:05] <thegladiator> whats the shipping charge ?
[08:05] <thegladiator> I am from india
[08:05] <jokele> i opened a console during the installation and added it to the interface file, that's all
[08:06] <_matt> maybe there is a distro distribute near you - have a look on www.distrowatch.com
[08:06] <syl> i've got kubuntu from dvd... and can't find smbd
[08:06] <thegladiator> yep
[08:06] <GenghisKhan> syl: it's on package samba, it should be i the dvd
[08:07] <tenco> how can i view websites which are devilered as mimetype application/octet-stream?
[08:07] <thegladiator> if I need to mak  link to the home folder , I can create a link to home ....but the ICON is blank in that case...can I do a drag ans paste link to Home nd My computer from the Desktop ?
[08:07] <_matt> brb
[08:07] <syl> in adept samba is marked like installed
[08:08] <GenghisKhan> syl: then you have it installed
[08:08] <GenghisKhan> tenco: http shouldn't be delivered as octect-stream, but you can download it and then open it with konqi
[08:08] <tenco> GenghisKhan: i know, but thats awful
[08:09] <GenghisKhan> tenco: maybe you can try configuring konqui to open octect-stream with khtml, but that is even more awful
[08:10] <syl> #GenghisKhan ...but smbd is not in root path
[08:10] <tenco> GenghisKhan: good idea :-)
[08:10] <syl> GenghisKhan: cant find smbd in init.d
[08:10] <GenghisKhan> syl: it's called /etc/init.d/samba
[08:11] <tenco> GenghisKhan: hehe, works *happy*
[08:12] <GenghisKhan> tenco: you should disable it after browsing or when you go to download a file it will be opened with khtml
[08:12] <syl> GenghisKhan: i dont have it there
[08:12] <tenco> GenghisKhan: ok
[08:15] <GenghisKhan> syl: you should. look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=samba&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[08:15] <syl> GenghisKhan: oh i believe you
[08:15] <bah> hallo
[08:17] <bah> Has someone installed the KDE 3.5 packages from the kubuntu.org repository?
[08:17] <bah> My system became very unstable all of a sudden -- after the upgrade
[08:19] <johnflux> Hey all
[08:22] <JohnFlux> kubuntu doesn't set up any apt sources ;(
[08:22] <GenghisKhan> JohnFlux: what do you mean?
[08:23] <bah> This -- go to the this page:
[08:23] <bah> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[08:24] <bah> It instructs one to set up the repository "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main"
[08:25] <bah> So, kubuntu.org also has an apt repository!
[08:25] <kkathman> bah yes
[08:25] <GenghisKhan> bah: that's the repository to install kde3.5 packages
[08:25] <GenghisKhan> bah: you can use 3.4 which is in ubuntu's main
[08:26] <kkathman> !sources
[08:26] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:26] <bah> how do I uninstall 3.5?
[08:26] <kkathman> those are the defaults
[08:26] <JohnFlux> GenghisKhan: I mean it should add internet apt repositories to /etc/apt/sources automatically for me
[08:26] <JohnFlux> GenghisKhan: but it doesn't
[08:27] <bah> I just followed the instructions on the above page...
[08:27] <GenghisKhan> JohnFlux: do it by hand, then
[08:27] <JohnFlux> GenghisKhan: :P
[08:27] <bah> My problem now is: I want to get rid of all the 3.5 packages and get back to standard breezy!
[08:27] <bah> With dpkg?
[08:27] <GenghisKhan> JohnFlux: you have them on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
[08:30] <deemo> hey guys, is there any way to make krfb accept connections through a terminal?
[08:35] <deemo> anyone in here alive :P
[08:35] <wedgeV> no
[08:36] <unsurreal_> sorta
[08:40] <thegladiator> i can luanch my video files
[08:40] <thegladiator> in kubuntu
[08:40] <deemo> hey guys, is there any way to make krfb accept connections through a terminal?
[08:41] <eksajm> thegladiator, do you have codecs and a media player?
[08:41] <thegladiator> it says cannot launch kdeinit
[08:41] <thegladiator> yeah all that
[08:41] <thegladiator> i was playing the videe a few secs before
[08:41] <thegladiator> now the error that comes up is
[08:42] <eksajm> oh yeah, i had some problems running things trough kdeinit.. dont remember how i fixed it though
[08:42] <thegladiator> KDEInit ould not launch
[08:42] <thegladiator> damn
[08:42] <eksajm> tried to laungh from comand line?
[08:42] <thegladiator> nope . but i need to fix this
[08:42] <thegladiator> it worked a few secs before
[08:43] <thegladiator> someone knows the kdeinit isues?
[08:43] <eksajm> as i said had the same prioblem
[08:43] <eksajm> dont know howto fix it
[08:43] <eksajm> :(
[08:43] <eksajm> sry man
[08:43] <thegladiator> :(
[08:43] <thegladiator> np
[08:43] <thegladiator> let me ask the guys out here
[08:43] <wedgeV> how can i add smb:// stuff to amaroks collection?
[08:43] <wedgeV> (i dont want to mount it, but use the kde io slave stuff)
[08:44] <thegladiator> GenghisKhan, you tehre?
[08:44] <GenghisKhan> yes
[08:44] <eksajm> wedgeV, you could mount the samba share some where and then add it
[08:44] <thegladiator> my video files are not opening
[08:45] <thegladiator> GenghisKhan, like it says KDEInit
[08:45] <thegladiator> failed to open etc
[08:45] <thegladiator> i could open it a sec back
[08:46] <GenghisKhan> thegladiator: no idea, try to log out and then log in again
[08:46] <eksajm> tried a reboot?
[08:46] <thegladiator> did that
[08:46] <thegladiator> i was wondeeing if theme change could cause this
[08:46] <thegladiator> not tried restart
[08:46] <thegladiator> thats the last resort
[08:47] <osh_> Is there a known problem with suspend-to-disk? It worked on my old laptop but not on my new one.It freezes during boot when restarting it.
[08:48] <thegladiator> let me try a erstart
[08:48] <thegladiator> brb
[08:51] <exhumed> hi. How can I set Windows to be the default choice in my grub loader? Thanks in adavance
[08:52] <_matt> Hi!
[08:52] <GenghisKhan> exhumed: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the default 0 line
[08:52] <voicu> Hi, can someone tell me, how do I use checkinstall? Do I run it instead of 'make install' or after 'make install'?
[08:52] <GenghisKhan> exhumed: but don't do that, windows is evil :-)
[08:53] <exhumed> don't worry, GenghisKhan
[08:53] <exhumed> that's not my box
[08:53] <exhumed> i wouldn't do that
[08:53] <GenghisKhan> exhumed: just joking
[08:54] <exhumed> and how can I know the correct number ?
[08:54] <exhumed> it's set to 0
[08:55] <GenghisKhan> just count. how many booting options are there?
[08:56] <exhumed> oh, 4 then
[08:56] <exhumed> and no need to grub-update or something like that ?
[08:56] <exhumed> just write the file ?
[08:57] <GenghisKhan> just write
[08:57] <exhumed> ok thanks
[08:57] <exhumed> brb then
[08:57] <exhumed> let's test it
[08:58] <udomsak> bye all , thx in  advance
[08:59] <deemo> hey guys, Is there any way to allow connections to krfb through the terminal?
[09:00] <Sastkryptlox> hi everyone
[09:01] <Sastkryptlox> is there anyone here, who can help me with k3b?
[09:01] <DaSkreech> I should be able to get audio files to audibly preview if I mouse over shouldn't I?
[09:01] <GenghisKhan> Sastkryptlok: ask
[09:01] <Sastkryptlox> k3b won't burn a dvd for me... the errormessage is "failed to change write speed"
[09:01] <osh_> Is there a known problem with suspend-to-disk? It worked on my old laptop but not on my new one.It freezes during boot when restarting it.
[09:02] <Sastkryptlox> "failed to change write speed: 5540 -> 11080"
[09:02] <Sastkryptlox> that's the exact errormessage
[09:03] <C-O-L-T> I AM BACK
[09:03] <GenghisKhan> Sastkryptlox: sorry, no idea
[09:03] <Sastkryptlox> :(
[09:03] <Sastkryptlox> thanx anyway
[09:03] <C-O-L-T> Hello can somebody help me please?
[09:03] <Sastkryptlox> anyone else maybe know what to do?
[09:04] <thegladiator> how I make the dektops seperate ? my second desktop items are also shown in the panwl
[09:04] <Sastkryptlox> it also says: "Fatal error at startup: invalid argument"
[09:05] <Sastkryptlox> now anyone has an idea?
[09:06] <JohnFlux> Sastkryptlox: #k3b would be better, no?
[09:06] <JohnFlux> Sastkryptlox: or at least #kde-devel
[09:06] <Sastkryptlox> ah
[09:06] <Sastkryptlox> thanx ;)
[09:06] <JohnFlux> np
[09:06] <Sastkryptlox> i'll try there ;)
[09:06] <thegladiator> how do i install a theme in kubuntu looks different from other kde's i have used
[09:06] <thegladiator> can some one tell me ?
[09:07] <thegladiator> i have many tar balls with me
[09:08] <thegladiator> many things are not working well :(
[09:08] <thegladiator> for ex i cant opn login screen setup
[09:08] <thegladiator> it doesnt oen
[09:08] <thegladiator> open
[09:10] <thegladiator> sigh!
[09:10] <thegladiator> help is very bad here at #kubuntu
[09:10] <DaSkreech> wait
[09:10] <thegladiator> yeah
[09:11] <DaSkreech> What do you mean Desktops seperate?
[09:11] <rednaxel> have a seat
[09:11] <thegladiator> i fixed that
[09:12] <thegladiator> like the stuff meant for desktop 2 appears in desktop 1 as well
[09:12] <thegladiator> in the taskbar i mean
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[09:18] <DaSkreech> Did you try adminstrator mode for the Login screen setup?
[09:19] <poltuiu> hi
[09:24] <_andrew> can anyone help me with a problem with sound on my poerbook g4?
[09:26] <_joshua> hehe
[09:32] <sp0la> kate doesnt work, when i start it in konsole it says: kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[09:32] <libben> http://www.bafsoft.com/~catalyst/ultimateshowdown.swf
[09:34] <sampan> sp0la  that probably means kate crashed before and the process is still running.  try: ps aux | grep kate ... and kill the process # -- then you should be able to start it
[09:35] <sampan> at least, that's worked everytime i've gotten that error msg
[09:35] <jason> hell
[09:35] <jason> o
[09:35] <sp0la> oh yay it works, thx !
[09:35] <sampan> sure :)
[09:36] <jason> what's the easiest way for me to fsck my filesystem (reiser, mounted as /) without a boot cd?  how can I mount it as readonly on startup?
[09:40] <Sastkryptlox> JohnFlux: hi... here i am again
[09:40] <Sastkryptlox> you still there?
[09:40] <JohnFlux> Sastkryptlox: always
[09:40] <JohnFlux> jason: mount -o remount,ro /
[09:40] <Sastkryptlox> can I ask you a very simple question about k3b (think that might be my problem)
[09:40] <JohnFlux> Sastkryptlox: #kde is a better place
[09:40] <jason> JohnFlux: but it's in 'use'
[09:41] <Sastkryptlox> do you know how to update the firmware of k3b?
[09:41] <JohnFlux> jason: it won't let you do that remount?
[09:41] <Sastkryptlox> okay... then i'll try there
[09:41] <jason> JohnFlux: nope, let me try again
[09:41] <Sastkryptlox> or do you know the answer?
[09:41] <jason> mount: / is busy
[09:41] <Sastkryptlox> ^^
[09:41] <sp0la> whats the diffrence between ALSA and arts?
[09:41] <JohnFlux> Sastkryptlox: what firmware??
[09:42] <JohnFlux> sp0la: alsa is the collection of sound card 'drivers'
[09:42] <Sastkryptlox> of my dvd-burner drive
[09:42] <JohnFlux> sp0la: arts is a mixer.  both are required.
[09:42] <JohnFlux> Sastkryptlox: no idea
[09:42] <Sastkryptlox> kay, thanx - i'll try in #kde
[09:43] <sp0la> ok, thx
[09:44] <jason> is there a run-level that'll do readonly mounting?
[09:44] <JohnFlux> jason: kubuntu adds a 'safe' mode, no?
[09:44] <JohnFlux> jason: rescue or whatever
[09:44] <jason> yup.. oh ok didnt know that was reado nly
[09:45] <JohnFlux> jason: probably.  if not you should be able to remount readonly
[09:45] <jason> thanks
[09:45] <jason> great
[09:45] <JohnFlux> jason: since little will be running
[09:45] <jason> true
[09:45] <jason> let me go test.. thanks for the help
[09:45] <sp0la> it mounts rw
[09:47] <thegladiator> jason, wre u using fc4 before ?
[09:47] <thegladiator> or ubutu before...
[09:47] <thegladiator> sure we have met somewhere
[09:48] <sp0la> he just quit lol
[09:48] <thegladiator> oops
[09:48] <thegladiator> hes gone :)
[09:48] <thegladiator> whats the bot out here ?
[09:48] <thegladiator> !botsnack'
[09:48] <ubotu> thanks thegladiator :)
[09:48] <thegladiator> !botsnack
[09:48] <ubotu> thanks thegladiator :)
[09:48] <thegladiator> ah same kewl
[09:49] <thegladiator> sp0la, why do you like kde over gnome?
[09:50] <sp0la> well ubuntu suddenly refused to run X
[09:50] <thegladiator> someone out here ?
[09:50] <thegladiator> ah
[09:50] <thegladiator> my kde is not working
[09:50] <sp0la> so i reinstalled it, but i got kubuntu by accident, and i like it better
[09:50] <thegladiator> ops
[09:50] <thegladiator> true better
[09:50] <_matt> hi thegladiator!
[09:50] <thegladiator> amarok is not working
[09:50] <thegladiator> hi _matt!
[09:50] <_matt> kde had better intergation between the programs
[09:51] <thegladiator> konqueror is just amazing
[09:51] <sp0la> yeah, like open media:/hda in konquerer (hda = my cdrom) its amazing
[09:51] <thegladiator> how can i amarok ?
[09:51] <thegladiator> the error is
[09:52] <_matt> have you found a cd distributor in india that you could order kubuntu from?
[09:52] <thegladiator> gstreamer error
[09:52] <sp0la> amarok is pretty cool but i only use about 5% of it's functions
[09:52] <thegladiator> nopt yet
[09:52] <thegladiator> kde on ubuntu is perfect
[09:52] <thegladiator> it says g streamer error
[09:52] <thegladiator> it was working wll with gnome
[09:52] <thegladiator> mayb i shud reinstall
[09:52] <sp0la> thegladiator, mp3 playback probably isnt a-o-k
[09:52] <thegladiator> how do i ?
[09:53] <thegladiator> a-ok ?
[09:53] <sp0la> google it
[09:53] <thegladiator> sp0la, it was working fine in gnome
[09:54] <sp0la> did you googled the error yet?
[09:54] <thegladiator> i cant see the full error
[09:54] <thegladiator> it is shown in the GUI at the bottom
[09:54] <sp0la> left bottom ?
[09:54] <sp0la> does it kinda "slide up" ?
[09:54] <_matt> thegladiator - http://www.linuxcd.org will distribute world wide
[09:54] <thegladiator> no sliding :(
[09:54] <_matt> I would recommend a clean install with kubuntu!
[09:54] <thegladiator> thanks matt
[09:55] <thegladiator> but shud I ?
[09:55] <thegladiator> ah i see
[09:55] <thegladiator> yeah gotta think
[09:55] <thegladiator> i will try a reinstall first
[09:55] <_matt> if your having a few problems its probably best!
[09:55] <thegladiator> the erroe is like
[09:55] <sp0la> also, when you re-install, try to seperate a partition for /home
[09:55] <thegladiator> yep
[09:55] <thegladiator> but that will have to wait till I get the cd :(
[09:56] <fatalblu|quest> hey who do I have to talk to about mirroring?
[09:56] <sas171> hi, i have te good old problem with the pppoeconf and rebooting
[09:56] <thegladiator> can you tell the command to resinatall amarok ?
[09:57] <sas171> i found some sollutions on the ubuntu forum but Im not able to fix it now.
[09:57] <thegladiator> sudo apt-get ?
[09:57] <_matt> adept manager should do it!
[09:57] <thegladiator> yep
[09:58] <thegladiator> dont u use synaptic?
[09:59] <sas171> Every time Im restarting the system I have to make pppoeconf, so connection on the boot time and pon dsl-provider are not working. Please help me, i spent 2 hours to search some sollution on the ubuntu forums but nothing helped.
[09:59] <sp0la> thegladiator, no, on kde i use either adept or kpackage
[09:59] <sampan> thegladiator  kubuntu installs adept, not synaptic (if you install kde on top of ubuntu, then you have both, but people who install only kubuntu won't have synaptic)
[09:59] <thegladiator> ah
[09:59] <thegladiator> gotcha
[10:00] <sp0la> sas171, man interfaces ... you need an "up" line right under the eth0 line
[10:00] <sas171> do you mean this line? "pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth1 up # line maintained by pppoeconf"
[10:00] <thegladiator> there was an update for gstreamer
[10:01] <thegladiator> i am downlaodig that.../
[10:01] <thegladiator> amarok gstreamer i.e
[10:01] <strider> how do I add custom partitions under media in Konqueror?
[10:01] <thegladiator> strider, means ?
[10:01] <thegladiator> like your harddisk partitions ?
[10:01] <sp0la> thegladiator, good idea, try everything you can before re-installing ;-)
[10:01] <strider> yes
[10:01] <thegladiator> yep :)
[10:01] <thegladiator> you can create a link
[10:02] <strider> it used to be there before
[10:02] <thegladiator> see if it is mounetd first
[10:02] <strider> it is
[10:02] <thegladiator> thats in gnome nah ?
[10:02] <sp0la> sas171, well, pre-up is not excactly what you need i think, man it ... its all there. i used to have an ISP that required you to login to a HTML form before surfin and i solved that with an up line
[10:02] <thegladiator> in KDE it is not placed in Dektop
[10:02] <strider> I meant media on the default konqueror start page
[10:03] <strider> media/:
[10:03] <sp0la> strider, what do you mean a custm partition ? do you want to auto-mount a partition (eg your "media" partition) ?
[10:03] <thegladiator> ah
[10:03] <strider> Sory, storage media
[10:03] <sas171> sp0la: how can i help you to help me? =)
[10:03] <sas171> i dont now what do you mean "up line"
[10:03] <strider> Or let me rephrase the question
[10:04] <strider> I have 3 other partitions on the HDD. I want to be able to access them quickly.
[10:04] <sp0la> sas171, well, you want to automate a call to pppoeconfig right?
[10:04] <strider> I don't want to type in /media/name always
[10:04] <sas171> sp0la: right
[10:05] <strider> In hoary it used to be automatically under Storage media in Konqi
[10:05] <DaSkreech> ah
[10:06] <DaSkreech> is there a way to see the details of the updates?
[10:06] <sp0la> ifconfig allows you to automatically run commands when an interface is being brought up/down. example= when you put eg "up /sbin/halt" right under your "eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, your computer will shutdown when you go online
[10:06] <thegladiator> whichs the output plugin for amarok ?
[10:06] <thegladiator> alsa or...
[10:06] <sp0la> you need to find out what to put there instead of halt (cant help you there)
[10:06] <thegladiator> something else ?
[10:07] <strider> All i see under Storage media and righly are my USB partitions. What about the HDD partiions itself
[10:07] <sp0la> sas171, im guessing something like "up ppoeconfig --user booh --password baah" (wild guess)
[10:08] <sas171> sp0la: ok, thank you Ill try
[10:11] <angasule> what's a good ftp client for KDE? KBear crashes a lot
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Konqueror?
[10:11] <sp0la> angasule, i use gftp
[10:12] <angasule> DaSkreech: frankly, konqueror for handling files is too basic
[10:12] <DaSkreech> How so?
[10:12] <thegladiator> well is there any means by which I could remove the "Arrow" mark from all the links that I have in my dektop , like to my Home folder etc...
[10:12] <angasule> hmm, gftp wasn't very stable last time I used it, either, plus I'd really like a KDE program, otherwise I might as well stick with mc :)
[10:12] <thegladiator> it has a arrow in the ICON
[10:12] <sp0la> omg konquerer does ftp n it owns
[10:14] <angasule> DaSkreech: I don't like konqueror for file managing, it feels like a web browser
[10:14] <kkathman> sp0la: its really not so much Konqueror...its the same for any KDE app actually
[10:15] <sp0la> if i can just get konqi to have mouse gestures like opera i think im addicted
[10:15] <sp0la> kkathman, really? man kde blows my mind. does gnome have this too and did i just miss it?
[10:17] <DaSkreech> angasule: Funny I don't like using Konquror as a web browser cause it feels too much like a file browser
[10:17] <angasule> heh
[10:17] <kkathman> sp0la: I imagine gnome has its own things, but the kIOslave is what enables alot of that...for instance krusader, a file manager, has that same capability
[10:18] <sp0la> hmm i never heard of krusader, is it worth checking out?
[10:18] <angasule> kkathman: thanks, krusader sounds like what I'm looking for
[10:18] <kkathman> sp0la: you can even open up your amarok and play things from remote systems if the privileges are ok
[10:18] <kkathman> angasule: its a very very good file manager
[10:18] <thegladiator> kde looks more stable than gnome so far
[10:19] <angasule> I've been a fan of twin panel for a very long time, nc over xtreegold any time :)
[10:19] <angasule> was it xtree? I'm no good with names, anyway
[10:20] <sp0la> kkathman, cool ! although i must say that FUSE sounds a bit more flexible then K's mechanism
[10:59] <sas171> sp0la: in ubuntu i used "sudo gedit" what can i use to edit conf files under Kubuntu... im not used to pico
[11:00] <hussam> sp0la: Ok, I found the problem.firefox says: the certificate expired on 24/12/2005 and I should contact the author of the site
[11:01] <crown> hello. why my kmail is not capable to display inline images? is this normal?
[11:02] <sp0la> sas171, kwrite
[11:02] <angasule> _sander: System->Settings->Appearance&Themes->Theme Manager
[11:02] <sas171> sp0la: here are my interfaces http://pastebin.com/489246
[11:03] <sp0la> crown, security feature ... suppose a spammer send you a mail with and image in it that links to http://www.spam.com/img.png?validated_address=crown@cr0wn.net ...
[11:03] <hussam> sp0la: I deleted the ssl stored certificates in firefox and I think this helped.
[11:04] <sp0la> hussam, if it works, consider adding the solution to the wiki
[11:04] <crown> sp0la: that's ok. but it SUPPOSED to display inline images, when i allow it. but it's failed to show them
[11:05] <hussam> sp0la: oops, no that didn't work. what happens is that it won't let me permanently accept the ssl certificate because it has expired last month. I can only accept it tmporarily.
[11:06] <sp0la> sas171, wait a min ... do you have two network interfaces ?
[11:06] <_sander> angasule: I think my system has messed up menus. I started with an ubuntu beta, the installed kubunutu-desktop and subsequently 3.5. Somewhere in there the system menu must have removed the settings menu.
[11:06] <sas171> sp0la: yes, first is native, but im no using it, and the second that worked under ubuntu
[11:07] <sp0la> hussam, what version of firefox are you using ? consider backing up your bookmarks and reinstalling firefox to the latest version.
[11:07] <_sander> I'll see if I can find the command line option and launch it that way.
[11:07] <hussam> sp0la: firefox 1.5 branch 20051230 nightly.
[11:08] <sp0la> sas171, did you write that file ? it looks like its not even valid
[11:08] <sas171> sp0la: no it was automatically written by pppoeconf
[11:09] <_sander> Doh, kdeartwork wasn't installed. Thanks for your help angasule.
[11:14] <sp0la> sas171, id just write a new one from scratch
[11:14] <sp0la> read man interfaces
[11:14] <sp0la> and google for "(ubuntu OR debian) adsl"
[11:14] <kkathman> funny how Linux can be so cotton pickin finicky
[11:15] <sas171> shit!
[11:15] <sas171> sp0la: ok, thank you anyway
[11:21] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Hi
[11:21] <nalioth> howdy
[11:22] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Can I have a audible preview for audio files?
[11:25] <nalioth> DaSkreech: you should have that (if you use gnome)
[11:26] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Suppose I do not :)
[11:27] <nalioth> DaSkreech: then i have no clue.
[11:27] <DaSkreech> Man :-(
[11:28] <DaSkreech> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kcontrol/filemanager/
[11:28] <DaSkreech> Look it Previews at the bottom
[11:30] <sas171> ok
[11:31] <sas171> i can access administrator mode in the systems settings dialog, can someboy help me?
[11:31] <sas171> * i cant
[11:32] <lwizardl> can someone help me with getting thoggen to work?
[11:32] <m0ns00n> Helleu
[11:32] <m0ns00n> =)
[11:34] <pointwood> is it possible to have konsole to save the different history of each tab I have opened when the session is saved (when I shutdown my machine)?
[11:38] <sas171> damn, i think i have to switch back to ubuntu =(
[11:39] <sampan> sas171  is it the admin mode that is causing problems? (fresh install of kubuntu breezy?)
[11:40] <sas171> sampan: yes, it is
[11:40] <sampan> if so, that was a known bug -- fixed quite promptly (a week or so) after breezy release
[11:40] <DaSkreech> pointwood: Sure
[11:40] <sampan> sas171  if you update your system (sudo adept-updater or in kmenu), it should be fixed
[11:40] <raphink> sas171: you just need to upgrade your box
[11:40] <pointwood> DaSkreech: how? :)
[11:40] <DaSkreech> KDe blames Kubuntu :)
[11:41] <raphink> DaSkreech: ??
[11:41] <sas171> lol, it was all right _before_ i did update
[11:41] <DaSkreech> raphink: For the Audio Preview
[11:41] <raphink> how do you mean DaSkreech ?
[11:41] <raphink> what's wrong with the audio preview?
[11:41] <sampan> sas171  then your answer saying it was a "fresh" install was inaccurate
[11:41] <DaSkreech> raphink: Doesn't work for me
[11:42] <DaSkreech> raphink: Mouse over correct?
[11:42] <pointwood> DaSkreech: do you know how to do that?
[11:42] <DaSkreech> pointwood: Umm I think it's like that by default
[11:42] <sas171> sampan: sorry, i mean fresh is today installed
[11:42] <pointwood> not here
[11:42] <DaSkreech> pointwood: It's something to do with save settings when you click logout
[11:42] <pointwood> okay, I'll look there
[11:42] <sampan> sas171  no worries -- if updating CAUSED the problem, then i have no idea how to fix it -- all the admin mode problems i've seen in here were cured by a simple update
[11:43] <DaSkreech> pointwood: Control Center -> user Accounts -> Session Manager
[11:43] <sas171> sampan: ok ill run update manager again
[11:43] <DaSkreech> pointwood: On Login restore previous session
[11:44] <DaSkreech> raphink: Audio previews work for you?
[11:44] <raphink> it used to work
[11:44] <pointwood> DaSkreech: That's how it is set now
[11:44] <DaSkreech> raphink: It no longer does?
[11:44] <raphink> then it would crash konqueror
[11:44] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[11:44] <raphink> now it doesn' twork
[11:44] <sampan> harfd to tuyope like thjid
[11:44] <DaSkreech> pointwood: And you have konqueror open when you log out?
[11:45] <raphink> not in breezy, no
[11:45] <sas171> sampan: ?
[11:45] <divansantana> Hello!I'm wondering can someone help me?I have a laptop with wierd Screen/Graphics problems,its a problem with the laptop.In WinXP u cn fix it buy turning troubleshooting graphics down.
[11:45] <pointwood> DaSkreech: yes
[11:45] <sampan> (hard to type with fingers crossed)
[11:45] <Lord_Athur> I could not mount an initrd file of a livecd distro, what can i do?
[11:45] <_hobbes> hi folks
[11:45] <divansantana> How do I do a similar thing in Kubuntu?? xorg.conf ??
[11:45] <raphink> I'll see in dapper DaSkreech
[11:45] <DaSkreech> raphink: so Breezy broke it
[11:45] <DaSkreech> #kde is right :)
[11:45] <raphink> DaSkreech: and what did _you_ do to fix it if you're bothered?
[11:45] <phatmonkey> is there a way of finding out what driver my xorg is running currently? I don't think it's reading xorg.conf properly
[11:46] <DaSkreech> i played with Konqueror settings previews and view -> previews -> sound previews
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Looked it up on docs.kde.org
[11:47] <orugo> hey
[11:47] <orugo> im a newbie
[11:47] <orugo> i have to say
[11:47] <orugo> xfce RULEZ
[11:47] <sas171> damn kde+ubuntu=frustration
[11:47] <Link`sAdventure> Hello
[11:47] <_voodoo> hi
[11:47] <pointwood> DaSkreech: what does konqueror have to do with konsole? I do have the history, but it is a unified history instead of separate for each tab
[11:47] <kkathman> sas171 why so?
[11:47] <Link`sAdventure> I'm having major issues with Qt4 dev packages
[11:47] <Link`sAdventure> it's using the wrong uic and stuff
[11:47] <orugo> whats the best msn client?
[11:47] <_voodoo> i got question about ntfs
[11:47] <DaSkreech> pointwood: Wait you said konsole? :)
[11:47] <Link`sAdventure> it's using uic for Qt3 when I used qmake-qt4
[11:48] <Link`sAdventure> orugo.
[11:48] <kkathman> orugo either kopete or gaim
[11:48] <Link`sAdventure> try GAIM
[11:48] <_voodoo> i got question about ntfs
[11:48] <pointwood> DaSkreech: yes :)
[11:48] <raphink> DaSkreech: KFileMetaInfo: WARNING: error loading the plugin from kfile_mp3.desktop
[11:48] <sas171> sampan: 2 unsolved bugs in 1 hour
[11:48] <_voodoo> who can help me
[11:48] <_voodoo> i got question about ntfs
[11:48] <_voodoo> i got question about ntfs
[11:48] <Link`sAdventure> _voodoo,
[11:48] <kkathman> GAIM is more gnomish, kopete is more KDE-ish
[11:48] <Link`sAdventure> what's the problem
[11:48] <raphink> that's what I get when going over a sound file in konqueror with the preview on
[11:48] <sampan> kkathman  he's (sas171) run into the admin mode bug, but says that updating CAUSED the problem and doesn't fix it  -- not sure how to help :/
[11:48] <kkathman> sampan I doubt that
[11:48] <sampan> sas171  hey i feel your pain -- i'm STILL waiting for usable SCIM packages on kubuntu
[11:49] <orugo> i use xfce
[11:49] <_voodoo> i can not make mt external usb hdd
[11:49] <orugo> they work anyway?
[11:49] <_voodoo> i can not make mt external usb hdd
[11:49] <kkathman> sas171 I'll wager your sources.list arent quite right
[11:49] <Link`sAdventure> ?
[11:49] <Link`sAdventure> make mt is... ?
[11:49] <kkathman> thats about a 90% chance
[11:49] <sas171> sampan: yeah, and want just right pppoe connection and admin mode =)
[11:49] <DaSkreech> raphink: I get nothing
[11:50] <sas171> *I want
[11:50] <_voodoo> i cant make my externel usb hdd visible
[11:50] <raphink> DaSkreech: I mean having launched konqueror in a konsole. but that is not what we need though
[11:50] <JohnFlux> how do I mount windows to /mnt/win and let all users see it
[11:50] <kkathman> sampan apparently he is ignoring me :)
[11:50] <Link`sAdventure> I'm having major issues with Qt4 dev packages
[11:50] <Link`sAdventure> it's using the wrong uic and stuff
[11:50] <Link`sAdventure> it's using uic for Qt3 when I used qmake-qt4
[11:50] <sas171> kkathman: what sources do you mean?
[11:50] <sampan> kkathman  lol -- what he doesn't know is that you're FAR more qualified to help than i am!
[11:50] <JohnFlux> I added it to /etc/fstab  but a normal user can't see it
[11:50] <kkathman> JohnFlux: you'll need to set up smb credentials ...assuming you are using Samba
[11:51] <raphink> DaSkreech: did you report the bug ?
[11:51] <Xemanth^^^> why i can't see my portable lacie hddi in fdisk -l
[11:51] <JohnFlux> kkathman: for a normal ntfs partition?
[11:51] <DaSkreech> raphink: I don't know it's a bug yet
[11:51] <kkathman> ahh not for an NTFS
[11:51] <_voodoo> i cant make my externel usb hdd visible
[11:51] <sas171> kkathman: do you mean repos?
[11:51] <Xemanth^^^> yeah i can see it in dmesg
[11:51] <JohnFlux> kkathman: you're thinking NFS i think
[11:51] <kkathman> JohnFlux:  I thought you might be using Samba like I do
[11:51] <Nach> Link`sAdventure, I don't think repeating yourself will help, doesn't look like #kubuntu wants to support broken packages
[11:51] <raphink> DaSkreech: well it doesn't work and you acn't set it, so it's a bug
[11:51] <Link`sAdventure> heh
[11:51] <raphink> DaSkreech: please report it
[11:52] <Link`sAdventure> Guess I gotta go install gentoo or smth :(
[11:52] <kkathman> JohnFlux: on my system samba has to have a smbcredentials file to validate login from a win machine
[11:52] <kkathman> could be similar for NTFS but I dont know
[11:52] <kkathman> sas171: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:52] <Nach> Link`sAdventure, nah, you probably want Debian, Kubuntu is based off of Debian, but Debian doesn't have broken Qt Dev packages at the moment
[11:52] <Link`sAdventure> Nach: Debian's got like 10,000 CD's to it :(
[11:53] <DaSkreech> I have another bug/wishlist for today
[11:53] <Link`sAdventure> Or else I'd go for it. :p
[11:53] <DaSkreech> raphink: launchpad?
[11:53] <Xemanth^^^> Debian has only one net install image ^
[11:53] <raphink> DaSkreech: depends if it's linked to universe or main
[11:53] <kkathman> Nach: lots of ubuntu devs are using the QT libs so I dont know that they are "broken"..if so, please make sure you file an entry in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:53] <DaSkreech> konqueror?
[11:54] <Nach> kkathman, don't tell me, Link`sAdventure is the one with the problem
[11:54] <raphink> DaSkreech: if it's directly linked to konqueror then it's main, so it's bugzilla, not LP
[11:54] <Nach> Link`sAdventure, Debian net install CD is ~500MB, and then you only need to download ~400MB of packages to get a full system after that with KDE and goodies
[11:54] <sas171> kkathman: they are 100% right i enabled them with adept
[11:54] <Link`sAdventure> Jeez...
[11:54] <Link`sAdventure> Why wasn't I told of this
[11:54] <Xemanth^^^> debian net install image is like 100mb~
[11:54] <Link`sAdventure> WRYYYYYYYYYY
[11:54] <Nach> only 100MB?
[11:54] <lwizardl> what program can i use to backup dvds
[11:54] <Xemanth^^^> Nach: yop
[11:55] <kkathman> sas171 would you mind if I asked you to post them (paste) to paste.ubuntu-nl.com ??
[11:55] <raphink> lwizardl: k3b
[11:55] <kkathman> alot of people think they are right :)
[11:55] <sas171> kkathman: http://pastebin.com/489338
[11:55] <lwizardl> raphink: but what about if larger than dvd5
[11:55] <kkathman> the admin mode problem was fixed with the first kubuntu patch about 3 days after it was released
[11:55] <Nach> kkathman, and when you say lots of devs are using Qt libs, are you referring to Qt 4 or 3?
[11:56] <kkathman> Nach: both
[11:56] <Nach> since most packages except very recent ones all use 3
[11:56] <kkathman> sas171 theres the problem
[11:56] <raphink> lwizardl: huh?
[11:56] <kkathman> sas171 as I suspected :)
[11:57] <lwizardl> what about shrinking the disc
[11:57] <JohnFlux> for the propriety nvidia driver, should xorg.conf say Driver "nvidia"  or Driver "nv"
[11:57] <sas171> kkathman: ok, its probably some _K_ubuntu addon and i cant enable them all, right?
[11:57] <JohnFlux> I get mixed up
[11:57] <lwizardl> to fit on a dvd5
[11:58] <raphink> lwizardl: what is a dvd5?
[11:58] <lwizardl> k3b says can't copy encrypter dvds
[11:58] <lwizardl> dvd5 is a dvd that its under 5 gigs usually 4.3gb
[11:59] <raphink> well that's a normal DVD that is
[11:59] <raphink> all the DVDs I used to far are 4.3GB
[11:59] <Nach> Wow, Link`sAdventure: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso only 108MB
[11:59] <kkathman> sas171 - please edit your /etc/apt/sources.list with your favorite editor at root, and please put a # in front of line 1. Then save the file and do a sudo apt-get update.
[11:59] <pointwood> is there a website or mailing list or whatever where it is possible to follow updates to kubuntu/ubuntu?
[11:59] <Link`sAdventure> Cool
[11:59] <Link`sAdventure> I guess I can be back up and running real soon. :)
[11:59] <Link`sAdventure> :D
[12:00] <raphink> pointwood: updates to dapper ?
[12:00] <kkathman> sas171 the reason it "caused" the admin prob is that its only looking at the CDROM and it put the "bad" code back each time.
[12:00] <pointwood> raphink: no, breezy, current stable release
[12:00] <raphink> ah ok
[12:00] <raphink> maybe breezy-changes
[12:00] <kkathman> sas171: once you comment out the CD ROM line, and update, you will be fine.
[12:01] <raphink> since dapper updates is on dapper-changes ;)
[12:01] <pointwood> raphink: that's a mailing list?
[12:01] <kkathman> sas171 you'll then need to run adept after your apt-get update.
[12:01] <raphink> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/breezy-changes
[12:01] <raphink> I guess
[12:01] <kkathman> hey raphink ;)
[12:01] <raphink> hey kkathman :)
[12:01] <kkathman> greets bro :)
[12:02] <raphink> greets too <><
[12:02] <DaSkreech> hi kkathman raphink
[12:02] <raphink> DaSkreech: lol
[12:02] <kkathman> howdy DaSkreech