| jblack | sivang: Not at that hour | 02:10 |
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| LarstiQ | and this hour is supposedly better? ;) | 02:32 |
| jblack | Yeah | 03:22 |
| jamesh | lifeless: do you have any idea what might have gone wrong with cprov's pqm merge that would have reverted those changes? | 04:24 |
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| lifeless | jamesh: if he merged and discarded them, it will back them out when he merges | 05:06 |
| lifeless | otherwise the only possible cause is a pathological base selection, but I would suspect that last, not first. | 05:06 |
| jamesh | lifeless: I checked the branches: the branch celso merged had fully merged with rocketfuel to the point before it got merged into rocketfuel | 05:08 |
| jamesh | lifeless: yet there were differences between celso's branch and rocketfuel with celso's branch merged in | 05:08 |
| jamesh | (the differences being the backed out code) | 05:08 |
| lifeless | jamesh: in which case it has to be a base selection issue | 05:09 |
| lifeless | jamesh: was celsos branch a converted one ? | 05:09 |
| jamesh | doesn't look like it | 05:12 |
| lifeless | thats very bizarre then. | 05:15 |
| jamesh | I took a copy of celso's branch and was able to pull from rocketfuel into it | 05:18 |
| jamesh | which showed that the two branches had converged and there were no other revisions merged in between | 05:18 |
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| dilys | Merge to devel/launchpad: [trivial] migrate-bugzilla-initialcontacts.py script, and some small bugzilla import cleanups (r2950: James Henstridge) | 07:26 |
| SteveA | good morning dilys | 08:01 |
| SteveA | good morning launchpad | 08:01 |
| SteveA | good morning launchpad people | 08:01 |
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| sivang | good morning SteveA | 08:55 |
| SteveA | hello sivan | 08:58 |
| SteveA | jblack: hello | 09:00 |
| Mez | jblack: *waves* | 09:10 |
| jblack | Hi | 09:16 |
| sivang | jblack: Hi James , It appears I pinged you in the wrong hour :) | 09:16 |
| jblack | sivang: No problem at all. | 09:18 |
| jblack | Now that everyone is coming back, I'm back on a normal schedule | 09:18 |
| sivang | jblack: please correct me if I'm wrong, you're schedule isn't fitted with day and night time over where you are right? | 09:19 |
| sivang | (e.g. it's flipped) | 09:19 |
| jblack | Correct. I'm shifted about +10 or so | 09:21 |
| jblack | I have a steady set of core hours and a set of about 6 hours a day that shift slowly during the week | 09:23 |
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| SteveA | i'm testing the procedure now | 09:27 |
| sivang | has it went under lifeless's review and ack already? | 09:28 |
| sivang | jblack: ^^ (recalling you adviced to wait until it's worked out) | 09:28 |
| SteveA | i think we're waiting for rob to look at it some more | 09:28 |
| jblack | sivang: No. He's still unburying it himself. | 09:29 |
| lifeless | I'll do so tomorrow | 09:29 |
| jblack | unburying himself | 09:29 |
| sivang | ok , just let me know when you think it can be tested by someone like me. | 09:32 |
| jblack | Oh, you can bet. :) | 09:37 |
| jblack | Between your comments, steve's comments, rob shouldn't have much of a problem looking them over. | 09:37 |
| jblack | But its something we want to do anyways. More eyes make bugs shallow, and a production process modification should always be reviewed first when possible. | 09:38 |
| jblack | actually, now that I think about it..More eyes don't make bugs more shallow... But there's certainly more perspetive | 09:38 |
| sivang | heh | 09:41 |
| jblack | More perspective means more depth perception. More depth means deepr. | 09:42 |
| jblack | So the old saw is backwards. Many eyes make bugs deep! | 09:43 |
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| jblack | can a LP dev please email me their sources.list? | 09:53 |
| jblack | sivang: your immutable comment... | 09:56 |
| jblack | That doesn't solve anything, I'm afraid. | 09:56 |
| jblack | If they can mutate the keyid, they can mutate a reference that we provide as well. | 09:57 |
| jblack | I think we'll solve that by locking the page down later. | 09:57 |
| sivang | jblack: k, cool. Btw, is it so that anybody who created a launchpad account can edit any page in launchpad? | 10:13 |
| sivang | s/launchpad/lanuchpad wiki/ | 10:14 |
| jblack | I believe it is so | 10:14 |
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| sivang | morning carlos | 11:57 |
| carlos | hi | 11:57 |
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| cprov | morning guys | 12:19 |
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| matsubara | good morning! | 12:42 |
| daf | good morning Brazil | 12:43 |
| SteveA | hi | 12:44 |
| sivang | morning daf, matsubara | 12:44 |
| sivang | matsubara: cool you fixed the spec-already-exists error message, is it already on production? | 12:44 |
| SteveA | jblack: still around? | 12:45 |
| matsubara | sivang: I think it is. | 12:50 |
| daf | carlos: yo | 12:58 |
| carlos | daf, hi | 12:59 |
| daf | can you take another look at bug 26? | 12:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 26: "Normal comments duplicated if they are in the .pot file" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Carlos Perell Marn, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/bugs/26 | 12:59 |
| carlos | daf, I need to take a look to the source code to answer you | 01:01 |
| carlos | I will do it this evening | 01:01 |
| daf | that would be great, thanks | 01:02 |
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| carlos | daf, you are welcome | 01:05 |
| SteveA | hi carlos | 01:08 |
| carlos | SteveA, hi | 01:09 |
| SteveA | carlos: what do you think of having a voice call, to see where things are up to and what's happening next? | 01:10 |
| carlos | SteveA, I cannot have it now, I'm going to take a shower and go out for lunch with a friend, could we have it after lunch? (in about 3 hours or so) | 01:11 |
| SteveA | carlos: sure, that's fine. i will be here | 01:11 |
| carlos | SteveA, I will ping you then | 01:11 |
| SteveA | ok | 01:11 |
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| daf | jordi: can you take a look at bug 6293? | 01:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6293: "inkscape translation template" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/6293 | 01:12 |
| jordi | daf: I guess the breezy package was buggy. | 01:14 |
| jordi | let's check dapper | 01:14 |
| daf | thanks | 01:15 |
| jordi | daf, there you go | 01:17 |
| jordi | the source package lacks a .pot | 01:17 |
| jordi | daf: should I reassign to inkscape? | 01:17 |
| jamesh | daf/carlos: I submitted bug 6034 before christmas: looks like the additions to the PO file format in the next gettext might require some Rosetta datamodel changes | 01:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6034: "msgctxt support" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/6034 | 01:18 |
| jamesh | oh. daf did see it | 01:18 |
| jamesh | ignore me | 01:18 |
| carlos | jamesh, oh, I didn't know there were changes.... | 01:18 |
| carlos | jamesh, thanks for the notice! | 01:18 |
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| daf | jordi: I guess so | 01:20 |
| jordi | daf: can you do it after I comment? | 01:21 |
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| jordi | daf: done | 01:21 |
| daf | jordi: done | 01:25 |
| jordi | daf: k | 01:32 |
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| lbm | jordi: i'm the maintainer of gnomebaker in launchpad, but i am not allowed to upload individual po's | 02:06 |
| jordi | lbm: how so? | 02:07 |
| jordi | lbm: if you want ot do it one by one, you nede to go to the individual language urls and use the "upload" link | 02:07 |
| lbm | jordi: that's what i'm trying to do | 02:07 |
| jordi | lbm: if you want to do all at once, you need a tarball, but for now it'll need to include the pot file too | 02:07 |
| lbm | https://launchpad.net/products/gnomebaker/+series/main/+pots/gnomebaker/zh_CN/+upload | 02:08 |
| jordi | (this will be fixed I think) | 02:08 |
| lbm | "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page." | 02:08 |
| lbm | i can't really use lauchpad actively if this doesn't work | 02:08 |
| jordi | really? | 02:08 |
| jordi | carlos, daf: why is lbm getting this? | 02:09 |
| jordi | I'm gessing this is happening because you're not a member of the Chinese team and the translation perms are closed | 02:09 |
| jordi | an exception should be granted to the product owner though | 02:09 |
| lbm | yes, i closed it to get work from committed users | 02:10 |
| jordi | lbm: would uploading a tar+zh_CN.tar.gz work in this case? (as a workaround) | 02:10 |
| jordi | lbm: maybe you wnt to set it to Structured though | 02:11 |
| lbm | jordi: i couldn't see what structured mode gave me | 02:11 |
| jordi | in this case, if a language has no ubuntu team assigned, anyone can contribute. But for languages with a team assigned, you can only get translations from team members | 02:11 |
| jordi | so in general it's a good idea for your case | 02:11 |
| jordi | err, when I said tar+zh_CN.tar.gz, I meant a tar.gz with pot+zh_CN.po | 02:12 |
| lbm | yes :) | 02:12 |
| lbm | last time bz2 gave me an error, tar.gz worked fine though | 02:13 |
| jordi | there's a bug filed about bz2 | 02:13 |
| lbm | okay, great | 02:13 |
| jordi | it's actually a bug in python! | 02:13 |
| lbm | "If 'Reviewed', then anybody can make suggestions but only the designated translators can edit or confirm translations." | 02:14 |
| lbm | but no 'Reviewed' in the list | 02:14 |
| lbm | and no description of 'Structured' | 02:14 |
| jordi | where is this? | 02:14 |
| lbm | +changetranslators | 02:15 |
| lbm | i need to select '(no value)' in the translation group selection for your idea to work, right? | 02:16 |
| lbm | oh, nevermind | 02:16 |
| lbm | ubuntu translators was linked to all language-specific groups, i forgot | 02:17 |
| jordi | ok, so Reviewed = Structured | 02:17 |
| jordi | this is a trivial fix, I'll report | 02:17 |
| daf | it's reported already | 02:20 |
| jordi | daf, carlos: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/6383 is trivial | 02:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6383: "Reviewed vs Structured" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/6383 | 02:21 |
| jordi | oh damn. | 02:21 |
| daf | bug 5852 | 02:21 |
| jordi | I missed it | 02:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5852: "+changetranslators advertises non-existent "Reviewed" choice" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Carlos Perell Marn, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/bugs/5852 | 02:21 |
| daf | :) | 02:21 |
| daf | sorry, I was a bit slow there | 02:21 |
| daf | by the way, what's happening with bug 2022? | 02:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2022: "iso-codes is not available for breezy" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Major, Assigned to: Jordi Mallach, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/bugs/2022 | 02:22 |
| daf | maybe the same as inkscape? | 02:22 |
| jordi | 98% chances | 02:23 |
| jordi | it's always this | 02:23 |
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| daf | are you able to reassign such bugs to the source package? | 02:23 |
| jordi | nope | 02:23 |
| jordi | or I wasn't | 02:23 |
| daf | :/ | 02:23 |
| daf | "Request fix: ... In Distribution" | 02:24 |
| daf | that's the link I use | 02:24 |
| jordi | (medium priority) | 02:24 |
| jordi | 680. No translation template for tin | 02:24 |
| jordi | so dapper and iso-codes? | 02:24 |
| daf | if you can't reassign, we should work out why | 02:24 |
| daf | you should be able to | 02:24 |
| jordi | let me try | 02:24 |
| jordi | dapper + iso-codes? | 02:24 |
| daf | ? | 02:25 |
| jordi | what to say in that "distribution" link | 02:25 |
| jordi | asks me for a distro and a source package | 02:25 |
| daf | oh | 02:25 |
| daf | ubuntu + iso-codes | 02:26 |
| jordi | oh | 02:26 |
| daf | while you're at it: bug 3954 | 02:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 3954: "Tamazight needs adding to Rosetta" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Carlos Perell Marn, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/bugs/3954 | 02:26 |
| jordi | daf: so it got added to iso-codes, but not removed from rosetta | 02:27 |
| jordi | is this ok? | 02:27 |
| daf | what I do in this situatoin is to Reject the rosetta one | 02:28 |
| daf | perhaps it's a bug that you can't reassign a bug from a product to a package | 02:28 |
| jordi | hm | 02:30 |
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| jordi | daf: done | 02:31 |
| jordi | daf: replied to 3954 | 02:31 |
| daf | great, thanks | 02:31 |
| lbm | i get a whole lot of timeouts today | 02:34 |
| SteveA | lbm: do you have the OOPS codes from them? | 02:37 |
| lbm | SteveA: only the last one: OOPS-A646 | 02:37 |
| lbm | OOPS-A647 | 02:38 |
| lbm | i tried 4-5 times, still no luck | 02:38 |
| lbm | https://launchpad.net/products/gnomebaker/+series/main/+pots/gnomebaker/da/+translate | 02:39 |
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| kiko | hello | 02:47 |
| kiko | how is everyone? | 02:47 |
| SteveA | hi kiko. how are you? | 02:49 |
| sivang | kiko dude! | 02:49 |
| SteveA | lbm: i see what the problem is. it is bug 5751 | 02:50 |
| Ubugtu | Error: I cannot access this bug. | 02:50 |
| SteveA | lbm: which is a private bug. basically, it is a performance issue in the code. Carlos is working on a fix for it. | 02:51 |
| lbm | SteveA: okay, i'll try again another day | 02:51 |
| SteveA | lbm: well... i may be able to make it work now. i'll try altering a setting to allow longer queries to happen... | 02:53 |
| lbm | SteveA: great, give me a vink and i'll try | 02:54 |
| SteveA | lbm: okay, try now | 02:57 |
| lbm | SteveA: OOPS-B555 | 02:59 |
| lbm | OOPS-B557 also | 03:00 |
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| SteveA | hmm.. i doubled the amount of time it can take. | 03:01 |
| SteveA | let's try something different. carlos is working on the proper fix, but this will take a while, as it involves designing and writing some code | 03:01 |
| SteveA | but, as an interim measure, we could have a mode where we don't display suggestions | 03:02 |
| lbm | SteveA: let me know | 03:02 |
| SteveA | as that is what is taking all the time | 03:02 |
| lbm | oh :) | 03:02 |
| kiko | SteveA, that's been suggested before, sounds like a good idea | 03:02 |
| SteveA | lbm: i can't do much else today, but i'll try to get something fixed soon | 03:02 |
| lbm | great | 03:02 |
| kiko | you could disable suggestions by default | 03:02 |
| SteveA | sure, we can do that until carlos' proper fix is ready | 03:03 |
| SteveA | lbm: i've just been talking with daf, and we're going to try a quick instant fix | 03:05 |
| lbm | SteveA: okay, looking forward :) | 03:06 |
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| SteveA | lbm: please try now | 03:13 |
| lbm | SteveA: works, thanks! | 03:13 |
| SteveA | great! | 03:13 |
| SteveA | kiko: i just hacked the template in production, with daf's help. we have traded suggestions for lack of timeouts. | 03:15 |
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| kiko | cool | 03:15 |
| SteveA | i'll mail the patch out to the list, for stu to pick up on the next roll out | 03:15 |
| kiko | will reduce the issue significantly | 03:15 |
| SteveA | and we can talk with carlos later about how the proper fix is going | 03:15 |
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| daf | is the /+series/foo/+addpotemplate page linked from anywhere? | 04:09 |
| kiko | I don't think so | 04:14 |
| sabdfl | hey guys, lp.net is timing out for me, any particular reason? | 04:17 |
| kiko | sabdfl, network timing out, or site timing out? | 04:18 |
| sivang | can I report bzr suspected bugs on lp ? or should I just use bugzilla for that? | 04:19 |
| SteveA | sivang: bzr bugs are tracked in launchpad | 04:23 |
| sivang | SteveA: ok, thanks. | 04:23 |
| sabdfl | kiko: site timing out on rosetta translation pages | 04:26 |
| kiko | sabdfl, was this the issue SteveA and daf were discussing above? | 04:26 |
| SteveA | many translation pages were timing out. i've disabled suggestions as a temporary measure to stop pages timing out so much | 04:27 |
| SteveA | i've discussed with carlos a proper fix, and he's working on it | 04:28 |
| SteveA | sabdfl: if you get a timeout, please paste the OOPS code. this allows us to check the tracebacks and other debugging information. | 04:28 |
| carlos | SteveA, Hi | 04:33 |
| SteveA | hi carlos. i'm talking with daf for about 20 minutes more | 04:33 |
| carlos | SteveA, ok | 04:33 |
| carlos | SteveA, please, ping me back when you are ready | 04:34 |
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| SteveA | carlos: i've finished talking with daf. i'm going to take a short break and then maybe we can talk# | 05:01 |
| carlos | SteveA, ok | 05:02 |
| carlos | I need some help with an SQL query | 05:05 |
| carlos | daf, can you help me? | 05:05 |
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| SteveA | carlos: ping | 05:17 |
| carlos | SteveA, pong | 05:17 |
| SteveA | carlos: shall we talk on skype? | 05:17 |
| SteveA | i'm running it now | 05:18 |
| carlos | sure | 05:18 |
| carlos | hmm | 05:18 |
| carlos | wait, I need to reinstall it | 05:18 |
| carlos | I reinstalled the laptop last week | 05:18 |
| carlos | it should be fast | 05:18 |
| carlos | SteveA, ok, I'm logged in | 05:23 |
| jordi | carlos: so when you're done, I have a few pending posts that I wanted you or daf to answer | 05:32 |
| kiko | hey jordi | 05:51 |
| jordi | that's the kiko | 05:51 |
| jordi | how did it go dude? | 05:51 |
| kiko | what's up dude | 05:51 |
| kiko | not too bad | 05:51 |
| jordi | bastards with vacation | 05:51 |
| jordi | daf: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3686 updated | 05:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 3686: "System error when admining pot" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Minor, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: NeedInfo http://launchpad.net/bugs/3686 | 05:53 |
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| SteveA | carlos: | 06:38 |
| SteveA | carlos: oops | 06:38 |
| SteveA | carlos: i mean, that was a mistake | 06:39 |
| Keybuk | I'm not sure "Product Groups" is right | 06:39 |
| Keybuk | that brings to mind the Microserf-esque "MS Encarta 2006 Product Group" type thing | 06:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2006: "Deactivated memberships should be hidden" Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/2006 | 06:40 |
| kiko | the name is certainly convoluted | 06:40 |
| kiko | how did ubugtu match /that/? Seveas? | 06:40 |
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| Seveas | kiko, MS equals bug perhaps :) | 06:41 |
| kiko | really now! | 06:41 |
| Seveas | want the truth? | 06:41 |
| Seveas | I'm stupid :) | 06:41 |
| Seveas | it'll now match any integer | 06:41 |
| LarstiQ | 1337? | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | what, so if I say I'm 25, born in 1980, live at 15 priorygate way, B9 5nf and my phone number is ... | 06:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 25: "New feature: notepad-like box in translations" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/bugs/25 | 06:42 |
| Seveas | no, but 1337 | 06:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 1980: "Recovering archive from mirror procedure incomplete; need to recreate the .archive-version file" Fix req. for: bazaar (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/1980 | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | :p | 06:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 15: "PO file import errors should be more verbose" Fix req. for: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: Carlos Perell Marn, Status: Fixed http://launchpad.net/bugs/15 | 06:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 1337: "Distro release tasks should include name of distro" Fix req. for: malone (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Brad Bollenbach, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/bugs/1337 | 06:42 |
| Seveas | @unload Bugtracker | 06:42 |
| Ubugtu | The operation succeeded. | 06:42 |
| Seveas | let me fix it :) | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | The reference for this error is OOPS-A786. Please include it in your bug report or email. | 06:46 |
| Keybuk | (Timeout error) | 06:46 |
| Seveas | ok, fixed | 06:49 |
| SteveA | Keybuk: nice big query. it deserved to time out | 06:50 |
| Keybuk | "big query" ? I just typed my name into the box <g> | 06:50 |
| Seveas | Keybuk, well "Scott James Remnant" is quite a big name ;) | 06:51 |
| Keybuk | I just typed "Keybuk" | 06:51 |
| SteveA | Keybuk: the query in the OOPS report wouldn't fit on your birth certificate | 06:51 |
| Keybuk | such a random document than that | 06:52 |
| === SteveA files a bug | ||
| Keybuk | "this certifies that you were REALLY BORN" | 06:52 |
| Keybuk | "surely the fact I'm standing here does that?" | 06:52 |
| SteveA | "scott's birth certificate too small" | 06:52 |
| Seveas | Keybuk, no, you could have appeared instead of being born ;) | 06:53 |
| SteveA | https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/6389 | 06:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6389: "people search timed out" Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/6389 | 06:55 |
| SteveA | https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/6389 | 06:55 |
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| looksaus | sabdfl, I would like to convince the local chain of fair trade shops (Oxfam Wereldwinkels) to distribute the Ubuntu CD | 07:40 |
| looksaus | is this appropriate? | 07:40 |
| looksaus | we're speaking of a very tight network of local shops operated by volunteers with a very good community reputation | 07:41 |
| looksaus | 206 shops in Flanders, Dutch speaking northern half of Belgium | 07:41 |
| looksaus | (or please refer me to the correct person to ask this question to) | 07:42 |
| looksaus | they have a quite professional internal distribution system | 07:44 |
| kiko | looksaus, maybe contact silbs? | 07:44 |
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| bradb | jamesh: ping | 08:25 |
| sivang | hmm, launchpad wiki coming from webmaster@ubuntu.com makes it hard to distinct it from w.u.c... can it be changed to launchpad@ubuntu.com ? | 08:28 |
| sivang | (when sening notifications about subscribed pages) | 08:28 |
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| mpt | Goooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 08:59 |
| kiko | hey mpt | 08:59 |
| mpt | 2006, wow | 09:06 |
| Seveas | 2006 is old news | 09:09 |
| mpt | bradb, ping | 09:09 |
| bradb | mpt: pong | 09:10 |
| mpt | bradb, DuplicateBugHandling is marked as BrainDump + Implemented | 09:10 |
| mpt | there needs to be a spec about merging bugs' tasks | 09:10 |
| mpt | Would you prefer me to finish the DuplicateBugHandling spec with that stuff included, or start a new spec? | 09:11 |
| bradb | mpt: Filling in the existing braindump would be better, IMHO. | 09:12 |
| mpt | okie dokie | 09:14 |
| sivang | hey mpt | 09:15 |
| mpt | hi sivang | 09:15 |
| sivang | mpt: I trying to make your design reality in glade, it's a pain :-) | 09:17 |
| sivang | mpt: glade is acting weird, not displaying frame borders, layout is getting flipped etc.. | 09:18 |
| kiko | mpt, many people have suggested you produce glade/gazpacho mockups instead of paper drawings.. | 09:18 |
| sivang | heh | 09:18 |
| sivang | kiko: if he had done that, I would had 80% of the work already done, glade is a real pain | 09:18 |
| kiko | well, it does require you understand the gtk+ box model | 09:19 |
| sivang | I understand it to some good degree I think, but stuff aren't behaving as they should this time.. | 09:19 |
| sivang | kiko: as you've written kiwi, mind if I ask you some quesiton in glade? | 09:22 |
| mpt | kiko, I find Glade/Gazpacho take me 20 times as long as pen and paper too, so that's just redistributing effort, not saving it :-) | 09:23 |
| kiko | sivang, sure. | 09:24 |
| sivang | mpt: I appriciate greatly your pen and paper stuff, it really helps to put things in perspective without loosing hair with glade technicalities :) | 09:25 |
| sivang | kiko: how do I tell glade to show frame's border? I set it several time to X>0 and nothing happens | 09:25 |
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| sivang | mpt: just too bad I didn't have you in my HUB bofs .. | 09:26 |
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| el-singerl | hi to all | 09:36 |
| el-singerl | today I've registered in launchpad and want to help to translate | 09:36 |
| el-singerl | english -> german | 09:36 |
| el-singerl | now a question: everywhere the following message appers: suggestions are temporarily disabled | 09:37 |
| el-singerl | how can i help now to translate ? | 09:37 |
| carlos | el-singerl, your suggestions will be stored anyway | 09:40 |
| carlos | it's just that we are not showing them atm because we had some performance problems | 09:41 |
| el-singerl | but they don't appear | 09:41 |
| carlos | we will try to get them fixed next week | 09:41 |
| el-singerl | ah ok, I understand | 09:41 |
| sivang | el-singerl: talk to your locoteam admin to approve you as a translator , then you could translate directly without just adding suggestions, but I imagine this can take a while until they see youre translations are good | 09:42 |
| el-singerl | so if i translate now, all message are saved anyhow | 09:42 |
| carlos | el-singerl, yes | 09:42 |
| mdke | sure, they are suggestions | 09:42 |
| sivang | el-singerl: s/locoteam admin/launchpad translator team admin/ | 09:42 |
| el-singerl | k, i understand | 09:42 |
| el-singerl | thx | 09:42 |
| el-singerl | I'll contact my locoteam admin | 09:43 |
| mpt | so suggestions are turned off? | 09:47 |
| mpt | but I'm still getting timeouts | 09:47 |
| mpt | odd | 09:47 |
| jordi | carlos: so that's it? carlos, I was waiting for your return to answer this question. | 09:49 |
| jordi | carlos: so, when people ask where to find a list of translatable software for my language, what do I say? | 09:50 |
| carlos | jordi, really? | 09:50 |
| jordi | (and, does it work?) | 09:50 |
| carlos | jordi, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/lang_code | 09:51 |
| carlos | jordi, dapper is not ready | 09:51 |
| carlos | and it works but has bugs | 09:51 |
| carlos | timeouts and some missing templates if there is no translation at all | 09:51 |
| carlos | for your language | 09:51 |
| jordi | ok, so that's what I was seeing | 09:51 |
| jordi | is there a plan to fix that "missing templates" bug? it's pretty bad, people can't find out what to translate | 09:52 |
| mpt | BjornT, ping | 09:52 |
| carlos | jordi, yes, but not sure when.. SteveA and daf are working on the bugs priorities | 09:52 |
| BjornT | hi mpt | 09:52 |
| carlos | jordi, btw... are you aware of the new page at https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports ? | 09:53 |
| carlos | jordi, the wiki page is now deprecated | 09:53 |
| jordi | carlos: too aware, I need to talk to you about it too | 09:53 |
| carlos | ;-) | 09:53 |
| carlos | ok | 09:53 |
| jordi | because the first day I used it I goofed quite a bit | 09:53 |
| jordi | carlos: yes | 09:53 |
| carlos | jordi, goofed? | 09:54 |
| jordi | fucked up, because I really didn't know how it worked | 09:55 |
| jordi | (and in the end, uploaded a hebrew translation as greek) | 09:55 |
| carlos | oh | 09:56 |
| carlos | I saw your email | 09:56 |
| carlos | right | 09:56 |
| carlos | please, feel free to file bugs with suggestions to improve it | 09:56 |
| carlos | you must be as productive as possible with that page | 09:56 |
| carlos | that's the main point behind it | 09:56 |
| carlos | hmm, seems like we have some problems there with some entries that are stalled... | 09:57 |
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| carlos | wtf... | 09:59 |
| janimo | jordi, I moved over here | 09:59 |
| jordi | carlos: I need a basic guide of how I am supposed to work with it | 09:59 |
| jordi | janimo: great, better | 09:59 |
| carlos | jordi, the first table has the headers wrong | 09:59 |
| jordi | carlos: ok, so janimo and Burgwork are discussing how mature launchpad/rosetta is for xfce | 10:00 |
| carlos | I will fix it with hte next production upload | 10:00 |
| janimo | well I have no experience with rosetta | 10:00 |
| carlos | janimo, hi | 10:00 |
| jordi | carlos: I have in mind the problems that the Plone guys have encountered -- mostly permissions | 10:00 |
| janimo | I know xfce have an i18n team using po files and committers to their svn | 10:00 |
| janimo | but nothing more | 10:00 |
| janimo | I wanted to know if it would be too early for me going to them and asking if they want to test rosetta | 10:01 |
| janimo | carlos, hi :) | 10:01 |
| carlos | jordi, you should talk then with SteveA and daf to set those bugs as high priority so we fixed them as soon as possible | 10:01 |
| jordi | janimo: currently rosetta will provide an "easy way" of getting work available for contributors, and an easy way of getting it done. | 10:01 |
| Burgwork | janimo, what about moving a smaller team onto to rosetta, or a small app | 10:01 |
| janimo | Burgwork, ok with me but I have no control over any xfce development | 10:02 |
| el-singerl | whois seveas | 10:02 |
| janimo | was just thinking about mailing them about rosetta and anyone jump on it if seems ok | 10:02 |
| Seveas | el-singerl, I am seveas ;) | 10:02 |
| mpt | Interface design bugbear #4677: People who use "option" to mean anything at all. "There should be a Quit option under the File option." "There are only ten options on the Rosetta page, there should be twenty." | 10:02 |
| janimo | and want to make sure first they don't flame me for pithing something not quite ready ;) | 10:02 |
| janimo | pitching | 10:02 |
| jordi | Burgwork, janimo: in my experience, cases like yours could find problems if you need that only a few selected people work on the translations, this is because right now you guys wouldn't be able to create the XFce <language> Translators teams, you rely on launchpad admins for that. | 10:03 |
| Burgwork | janimo, are the xfce pots already in rosetta? | 10:03 |
| jordi | so, that's the first thing you want to answer. | 10:03 |
| janimo | Burgwork, nope | 10:03 |
| Burgwork | janimo, I would get them up there first | 10:04 |
| Burgwork | then ask some of the key people to take a look | 10:04 |
| janimo | I guess that is independent of the rest of xfce i18n work right, it's a read-only thing | 10:04 |
| jordi | there are old versions of them, included in the Hoary distro | 10:04 |
| carlos | jordi, well, that's not a big issue, it's a matter of document that they need to ask us to create the team | 10:04 |
| carlos | until we add a way to do it by their own | 10:04 |
| jordi | carlos: from mailman/plone experience, imposing so many "admin request" barriers is cumbersome for them | 10:05 |
| jordi | that's one of the things plone guys complained about | 10:05 |
| janimo | Burgwork, I intended to get them in a while ago but then thought I'd wait for bzr imports instead of bazaar one in LP | 10:05 |
| jordi | but yes, they could start like this | 10:05 |
| jordi | carlos: also, can normal users move products to product groups and so on? | 10:06 |
| jordi | xfce would need a product group | 10:06 |
| janimo | jordi, I assume first I need to make that product group | 10:06 |
| carlos | jordi, no idea | 10:06 |
| janimo | again I was waiting for svn->bzr imports | 10:06 |
| janimo | any ETA on that? | 10:06 |
| carlos | jordi, I know the 'admin request' is no ideal | 10:06 |
| carlos | jordi, but it's a matter of decide if what we have now is better than what they have | 10:07 |
| carlos | jordi, while we fix that issue | 10:07 |
| jordi | yeah | 10:07 |
| jordi | they need to decide that | 10:07 |
| janimo | ok, I'll look around on their i18n list and ask if they are willing to consider it, maybe coming here and discuss with you guys if they have questions | 10:08 |
| carlos | janimo, no idea, sorry. You should ask lifeless or jblack | 10:08 |
| janimo | did projects which started using rosetta see notable benefits? | 10:09 |
| jordi | janimo: that'd be better. | 10:09 |
| janimo | more up-todate translations etc? | 10:09 |
| jordi | janimo: I plan doing a survey to see how successful it's been. Of course, rosetta is in constant improvement | 10:10 |
| jordi | so the very early adopters might have had troubles at the beginning which are now resolved, etc. | 10:10 |
| janimo | well of course web 2.0 style ;) | 10:10 |
| jordi | janimo: I know many are happy because they hopped in with no translations, and suddenly they had a dozen | 10:10 |
| janimo | cool | 10:10 |
| janimo | so if some xfce people turn out to be interested I assume they can come here for a rosetta crash course right? | 10:11 |
| mpt | BjornT, would you be able to fill in the last of the implementation section in FormLayout soonish? | 10:12 |
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| janimo | AFAIK the main benefit of rosetta lowering the contrib barrier, so translators do not need to know about gettext & co right? | 10:15 |
| jordi | janimo: yes | 10:15 |
| jordi | janimo: that's the main goal | 10:15 |
| janimo | so I know what I tell them if the say they can manage just fine with the current setup :) | 10:15 |
| janimo | and in this case the permission problem you mentioned would prevent some people from translating? | 10:16 |
| janimo | I did not quite get that | 10:16 |
| BjornT | mpt: sure. i'll try to get it done this week. | 10:17 |
| carlos | janimo, not really, it will introduce a small delay until they can start translating | 10:17 |
| janimo | acceptable I guess | 10:17 |
| sivang | night all | 10:18 |
| janimo | night sivang | 10:18 |
| mpt | thanks BjornT | 10:18 |
| carlos | sivang, night! | 10:19 |
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| === Topic for #launchpad: launchpad.net | developer meeting: Thur 5 Jan, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs are here: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| === Topic (#launchpad): set by SteveA at Thu Dec 22 13:04:18 2005 | ||
| adn | kiko: it works! | 11:04 |
| adn | thank you | 11:04 |
| carlos | lifeless, is there any problem with pqm? the website with the queue gives a "Bad gateway" error | 11:11 |
| kiko | yeah, it seems broken | 11:12 |
| carlos | kiko, btw, hi!, how was your end of year? | 11:13 |
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| mpt | Hmm, time to get reaccustomed to working while everyone else is asleep :-) | 11:52 |
| Burgwork | mpt, you back at home? | 11:53 |
| mpt | Have been since the 23rd | 11:54 |
| mpt | but was on leave from the 25th | 11:54 |
| kiko | carlos, yeah, was okay -- rested, mainly | 11:54 |
| Burgwork | mpt, needed to do christmas with the GF? | 11:55 |
| mpt | Burgwork, no, with the family ... I was and am still 14000 km away from the GF | 12:00 |
| kiko | I think you are actually farther away than you were | 12:00 |
| mpt | definitely | 12:01 |
| mpt | before Christmas I was only 7700 km away | 12:03 |
| mpt | 1.5 hours to merge rocketfuel, ugh | 12:04 |
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