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| hyperactivecrond | eer what is Grumpy Groundhog? | 12:39 |
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| hyperactivecrond | as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutUbuntu | 12:39 |
| Burgundavia | hyperactivecrond, a as of yet not released version of Ubuntu | 12:40 |
| hyperactivecrond | oh. never mind. | 12:40 |
| hyperactivecrond | Burgundavia: i have a bad habit of not googleing stuff before I ask... so ... apologies to the whole channel for not googleing before i asked | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | hyperactivecrond, hey, np | 12:42 |
| hyperactivecrond | lol thx | 12:42 |
| Burgundavia | grumpy was to be breezys code name | 12:42 |
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| Burgundavia | as it would continue the hog theme | 12:43 |
| hyperactivecrond | lol | 12:43 |
| hyperactivecrond | do we need an install guide for Xubuntu? | 12:43 |
| Burgundavia | isn't there one already on the wiki? | 12:43 |
| hyperactivecrond | i mean an official one for Dapper | 12:44 |
| Burgundavia | anything on the wiki is official | 12:44 |
| Burgundavia | if you mean in SVN, go ahead if you want to write one | 12:44 |
| hyperactivecrond | sweeeeet. | 12:44 |
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| Burgundavia | currently the installguide would be the same for (k)(x) and ubuntu | 12:46 |
| hyperactivecrond | true... | 12:46 |
| hyperactivecrond | maybe an appendix for differences in each? | 12:46 |
| Burgundavia | there are no differences currently | 12:47 |
| hyperactivecrond | Burgundavia: alright | 12:47 |
| Burgundavia | however, for dapper they are going to be different | 12:47 |
| Burgundavia | as we switch to (k)(x)ubuntu-express | 12:47 |
| hyperactivecrond | installguide for dapper it ... | 12:47 |
| hyperactivecrond | express? | 12:47 |
| Burgundavia | wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress | 12:48 |
| hyperactivecrond | so kind of what Mepis does? and Knoppix? (where you can install from cd) | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 12:50 |
| hyperactivecrond | cool | 12:50 |
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| hyperactivecrond | ooh xubuntu's nice | 12:51 |
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| hyperactivecrond | ...only in cleveland can one have a severe t-storm on jan 2nd | 01:08 |
| hyperactivecrond | instead of snow | 01:09 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia: ping | 01:50 |
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| jsgotangco | hhhhmmm | 05:44 |
| mhz | hmmmm? | 05:45 |
| mhz | .oO(oh, jsgotangco is having lunch) | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | whats up? | 05:46 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot, pong | 08:04 |
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| Burgundavia | bonsoir robitaille | 08:22 |
| robitaille | hi Burgundavia | 08:23 |
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| poningru | question, do we have a place to put something like a useful tips page? | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | poningru, what sort of tips? | 08:33 |
| poningru | like http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips | 08:33 |
| poningru | thats for firefox | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | big catchall docs like that are not reallly that great | 08:34 |
| poningru | for ubuntu it might be something like, how to hide your recent documents | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | try and integrate them into tasked based docs | 08:34 |
| poningru | oh ic | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | so create HowToHideRecentDocs | 08:34 |
| poningru | right ok | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | because when they are searching for that, they are looking for that, not a catchall tips page | 08:34 |
| poningru | yeah true, but it would be such a small page though | 08:35 |
| Madpilot | ...and the search on our wiki is pretty awful... :P | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | poningru, you can redirect if neccessary | 08:35 |
| poningru | ok I am just going to make a page like that | 08:38 |
| poningru | screw it | 08:38 |
| poningru | RecentDocuments | 08:40 |
| Madpilot | poningru: there's already a RecentChanges, you might want to pick a different name - and include Howto or something similar in the title, so people know what it is | 08:41 |
| poningru | hmm ok | 08:42 |
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| Burgundavia | I thought there was a PrintintHowTo | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | I guess not | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | someone want ot create one | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, ^ | 08:48 |
| Madpilot | Printing, you mean? | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | create a page like the ScanningHowto I did | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | poningru, ping | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | poningru, I renamed your page to camelcase | 09:15 |
| poningru | k | 09:15 |
| poningru | camelcase? | 09:15 |
| Madpilot | the MixedCase stuff | 09:15 |
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| poningru | what are we talking about? | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/howtohiderecentdocuments | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | this page ^ | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | ItIsNotInCamelCase | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HideRecentDocumentsHowto | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, I need to crash | 09:19 |
| poningru | oh gotcha | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | night all | 09:19 |
| poningru | doh | 09:19 |
| poningru | night dude | 09:19 |
| Madpilot | later, Burgundavia | 09:19 |
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| mdke | morning everyone | 11:05 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 11:06 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 11:06 |
| mdke | how are things? | 11:09 |
| jsgotangco | hmm not so good for me | 11:09 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, how come? | 11:13 |
| jsgotangco | lots of things to do after the holidays :/ | 11:13 |
| mdke | ah, as always | 11:13 |
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| mdke | [23:43:44] < hyperactivecrond> do we need an install guide for Xubuntu? | 11:16 |
| mdke | we'll need an install guide for ubuntu first | 11:16 |
| mdke | wasn't that the guy who volunteered to write it? | 11:16 |
| mdke | ah no, not the same guy | 11:23 |
| bhuvan | mdke ping | 11:44 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, yes? | 11:55 |
| bhuvan | just in case you have not noticed, fyi, i've included 'status' in 'make all' target | 11:56 |
| mdke | yeah I saw, nice work | 11:56 |
| bhuvan | ok | 11:56 |
| mdke | bhuvan, how's the server guide looking? | 11:58 |
| bhuvan | its looking good | 11:58 |
| mdke | think it'll be finished for dapper? | 11:58 |
| bhuvan | couple of sections are over. i'm preparing few more | 11:58 |
| mdke | awesome | 11:59 |
| bhuvan | i guess we've atleast 3 months ? | 11:59 |
| mdke | yep | 11:59 |
| bhuvan | so, sure, we'll complete it | 11:59 |
| bhuvan | meanwhile, there are couple of 'review' sections.. | 12:00 |
| mdke | bhuvan, i meant to ask, I noticed there is quite a lot of exim4 material on the Mailman wiki page, do you think it will be possible to make a separate page on exim4, and leave only Mailman specific stuff in the Mailman page? | 12:00 |
| mdke | then, we can add exim to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailServer | 12:00 |
| bhuvan | it should be possible, but, i guess the exim info available on Mailman wiki page is meant to configure exim for Mailman | 12:01 |
| bhuvan | imo, it can reside there | 12:01 |
| mdke | ok, so it's Mailman-specific? | 12:02 |
| bhuvan | yep | 12:03 |
| mdke | ah right | 12:03 |
| mdke | fair enough then | 12:03 |
| bhuvan | ok | 12:03 |
| bhuvan | back to server guide.. | 12:03 |
| mdke | Ok, keep up the great work :) | 12:03 |
| bhuvan | i've couple of review sections | 12:03 |
| bhuvan | when you have some time, i want you to proof read those sections and update it as completed | 12:04 |
| mdke | I will, thanks | 12:04 |
| bhuvan | ok | 12:04 |
| bhuvan | if you feel that more tech info needs to be added or such, let me know so i can work on it | 12:05 |
| bhuvan | i meant more tech info in those review sections | 12:05 |
| mdke | sure | 12:06 |
| mdke | bbl | 12:08 |
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| jjesse | morning, when soemone get's a chance can they review the updated release notes for kubuntu? | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | im reading them now | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse, Kubuntu dapper 2 is very very broken though | 04:38 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: i understand that, however everything in the release notes should be either what is in or what is going to be in | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | i couldnt make a proper test since it just doesnt work on mine at the moment | 04:39 |
| jjesse | i'm running it on two test instances myself, one test computer and also on qemu | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | probably in a few days :) | 04:40 |
| jjesse | w/o any problems | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | it must be hardware then | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | i had to setup my interface verytime i boot | 04:40 |
| jjesse | oh yeah sorry that is the one issue i'm having | 04:40 |
| jjesse | forgot about that :) | 04:40 |
| jjesse | been along time since i've shutdown the box so i forget bout that | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | i always had to do sudo kcontrol on the console just to fix it via gui | 04:42 |
| jjesse | be right back | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | i gotta sleep | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | later | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | there are some minor changes i'll commit | 04:43 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: ping? | 06:36 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, pong | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: are there any guides or anything about cleaning up wiki's. Myself and another guy want to clean up the MOTU wiki but I worry about redirects or deletions | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | I would like to be able to rename wiki pages easily but I just don't think that is going to work | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | I am trying to clean up the structure as well as the content | 06:39 |
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| Burgwork | LaserJock, google the names if you are not certain. Redirect any pages older than a couple of weeks | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | k | 06:43 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, s/names/URLs | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | sure | 06:45 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: what about using subpage structure, like putting all the MOTU stuff under MOTU/ ? | 07:07 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, what about it? | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | is there a reason not to use them? | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | It seemed like there was some discussion about it a while | 07:08 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, there is no reason not to use them | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | ok, cool | 07:09 |
| Burgwork | caveat: for things that are logically grouped together, such as the MOTU stuff | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | sure | 07:10 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, thoughts on a ForReview category for docs? | 08:20 |
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| poningru | can someone just look over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins | 08:25 |
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| poningru | guys also whats the policy on deletion on the wiki | 08:27 |
| poningru | ? | 08:27 |
| mdke | Burgwork, i think we have too many categories, Cleanup, ForReview and NeedsExpansion should probably be a max of 2 | 08:27 |
| mdke | poningru, WikiGuide shows the policy on deletion | 08:28 |
| mdke | poningru, mail the list about FirefoxPlugins and someone will take a look :) | 08:28 |
| poningru | k | 08:28 |
| mdke | afk again | 08:28 |
| Burgwork | mdke, ok | 08:29 |
| poningru | mdke: not ok | 08:31 |
| poningru | come back now ;) | 08:31 |
| mdke | poningru, Burgwork can help too :) | 08:31 |
| Hendikins | having just added FirefoxPlugins is the reason I'm lurking here. I'm hoping a bit of quietly watching will help ensure I don't stuff up too badly when overhauling the Firefox-related docs :-) | 08:31 |
| mdke | Hendikins, best plan is to use the mailing list, that way we can keep track of stuff, you won't always find someone active here | 08:32 |
| Burgwork | mdke, I don't actually work | 08:32 |
| Burgwork | poningru, yes, I can help | 08:32 |
| Hendikins | mdke: I'm more here to watch, not ask. | 08:32 |
| mdke | Burgwork, ;) | 08:32 |
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| mdke | Hendikins, you're welcome to ask, but if no one responds, or people are busy, feel free to use the ML too :) | 08:33 |
| Hendikins | mdke: I prefer to be seen and not heard, but thanks for the tip :) | 08:34 |
| Burgwork | Hendikins, like a good child? ;) | 08:35 |
| Hendikins | heh | 08:35 |
| Burgwork | seriously, I am usually here during PST working hours (GMT -8) | 08:36 |
| poningru_out | Burgwork: I thought you were central | 08:36 |
| Burgwork | nope | 08:36 |
| Hendikins | Main reason I'm digging in to Firefox docs on the wiki is that I'm already firmly entrenched in Firefox support, and it helps having good docs outside of our domain[s] | 08:37 |
| poningru_out | you are in chicago right? | 08:37 |
| Hendikins | and I'm AEDT, so all your timezones are probably irrelevant to me anyway ;-) | 08:37 |
| Burgwork | poningru_out, me? Victoria BC Canada dammit | 08:37 |
| poningru_out | oh doh | 08:37 |
| Burgwork | Hendikins, that is +13, no? | 08:37 |
| poningru_out | must be thinking of someone else | 08:37 |
| Hendikins | +11 | 08:37 |
| poningru_out | your brother lives with you right? | 08:38 |
| Hendikins | New Zealand is +13 | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | poningru_out, no, but we are both involved in Ubuntu doc work | 08:38 |
| poningru_out | where does Madpilot live then? | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | poningru_out, Victoria, BC, Canada dammit | 08:39 |
| poningru_out | ok I really have to | 08:39 |
| poningru_out | will talk later | 08:39 |
| poningru_out | :D | 08:39 |
| Burgwork | just not in the same house | 08:39 |
| Burgwork | we don't live in igloos in Canada, ya know | 08:39 |
| Burgwork | ;) | 08:39 |
| Hendikins | heh. I'd better get going myself. I've got to be back getting up at this time by next week, not going to bed. | 08:41 |
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| Burgwork | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Fedora | 09:27 |
| nickrud | before it spreads too far, is installing realplayer with a deb legal anywhere? | 09:30 |
| Burgwork | nickrud, yes, because the deb simply calls teh downloader | 09:31 |
| Burgwork | thus the actual realplayer code is not being distributed | 09:31 |
| nickrud | for the one in multiverse, yes, but not the one on restricted. It has the code embedded in the deb. | 09:32 |
| Burgwork | nickrud, there is no realplayer in restricted | 09:32 |
| nickrud | restricted formats, I mean | 09:32 |
| Burgwork | again, we are not distributing it | 09:32 |
| nickrud | true. I wasn't sure just where I should draw the line | 09:33 |
| Burgwork | as long as we make it clear that some things may not be legal, I think we are good | 09:33 |
| nickrud | anyway, I'm pretty much done with the structure and theme of NewJava. | 09:33 |
| Burgwork | yes, I saw that | 09:34 |
| nickrud | it's an extreme solution :) | 09:34 |
| Burgwork | nickrud, general style comment. Use Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), not just Breezy or Hoary | 09:34 |
| nickrud | those are placeholders. I've already changed it in places. Now, how do I refer to the distros? amd, ppc, 386 are lame | 09:35 |
| Burgwork | hmm, not sure about that latest java thing | 09:35 |
| Burgwork | i386 = your PC | 09:36 |
| Burgwork | amd64 = your 64-bit PC | 09:36 |
| Burgwork | ppc = Apple and other PowerPC computers | 09:36 |
| nickrud | ok, I tentatively tried PC, 64-bit PC and Mac on the mplayer page. | 09:37 |
| nickrud | but some are still going to say, "I have an amd64 processor", but are running 32-bit. | 09:38 |
| Burgwork | that is fine, that is not our concern | 09:38 |
| nickrud | when they get the 64bit blackdown, and try to install it, they'll say 'those docs suck' :) | 09:40 |
| Burgwork | again, not our concern | 09:41 |
| nickrud | but I guess you have to assume some intelligence on their part, or you'll be splitting to infinity. | 09:41 |
| Burgwork | if they are running 32 bit on 64, they should know enough | 09:41 |
| nickrud | ok. | 09:42 |
| nickrud | Anyway, the only truly relevant new thing on that page is advocating getting the latest java-package. | 09:43 |
| nickrud | If the wiki does that, then it will let the other java pages clean themselves up nicely. | 09:44 |
| Burgwork | you need to mention that Breezy ships with GCJ java | 09:44 |
| nickrud | ah, yes | 09:44 |
| nickrud | I'd have to research that some, of course. I don't know much about java itself. | 09:44 |
| Burgwork | I avoid it like the plague | 09:47 |
| nickrud | I almost want to say that about docbook. That is some angular writing. | 09:48 |
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| Kyral | yo | 10:11 |
| Burgwork | salut Kyral | 10:13 |
| Kyral | I have an idea for the Install Guide | 10:14 |
| Burgwork | sweeet | 10:15 |
| Kyral | maybe we could research alternative install methods | 10:15 |
| hyperactivecrond | ? | 10:15 |
| Kyral | like without a CDROM Drive | 10:15 |
| Kyral | from a USB Stick | 10:15 |
| Kyral | Netboot | 10:15 |
| Kyral | etc | 10:15 |
| Burgwork | there is already some of that work on the wiki | 10:15 |
| hyperactivecrond | problem: | 10:15 |
| Burgwork | solution: | 10:15 |
| mdke | the main problem is that we have no installguide | 10:15 |
| Kyral | because I'm working on it :D | 10:15 |
| mdke | Kyral, where is it? | 10:16 |
| Kyral | I'm waiting until the GUI INstaller comes around to start | 10:16 |
| hyperactivecrond | does ubuntu support netboot? | 10:16 |
| Burgwork | hyperactivecrond, yes | 10:16 |
| Kyral | and...until my computer borks | 10:16 |
| Kyral | unborks | 10:16 |
| hyperactivecrond | hmm. | 10:16 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, in the meantime, fix up the subpages on Installation in the wiki | 10:16 |
| hyperactivecrond | !bork | 10:16 |
| Kyral | Burgwork: that was a nice demo of LTSP at Ubuntu Love wasn't it | 10:16 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, ah, yes, I remember now | 10:17 |
| Burgwork | I was about to say that I had no idea what you were talking about | 10:17 |
| Kyral | haahah | 10:17 |
| Kyral | Only like two or three MOTU even realize I was there | 10:17 |
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| (jjesse/#ubuntu-doc) do i have to do anything on tun0 to bring it active before starting the virtual machine? | 10:59 | |
| hyperactivecrond | jjesse: nope | 11:01 |
| jjesse | hmmm :( | 11:01 |
| hyperactivecrond | what's wrong? | 11:01 |
| jjesse | still can't get a dhcp address from my dapper session | 11:02 |
| hyperactivecrond | dhclient tun0 maybe? | 11:02 |
| jjesse | argh gotta head out :( | 11:02 |
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| Kyral | lol | 11:18 |
| Kyral | Fedora Core | 11:18 |
| Kyral | EVIL | 11:18 |
| Burgwork | sadlly my company decided to build an enterprise offering on it | 11:18 |
| Burgwork | silk and sows ears come to mind | 11:18 |
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| Kyral | damnit | 11:53 |
| Kyral | I didn't save my work | 11:53 |
| Burgwork | oops | 11:53 |
| Kyral | and I lost the connection | 11:53 |
| mpt | Kyral, let me guess, you're using a 1980s-style computer that makes you save everything manually | 11:54 |
| Kyral | no | 11:54 |
| Kyral | I was editing it via a FreeNX session | 11:54 |
| mpt | ah | 11:54 |
| Kyral | and I lost the connection before I could save it | 11:54 |
| mpt | Burgwork, wow, I was about to suggest you create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing, then I saw you'd already done it | 11:55 |
| Burgwork | mpt, that isn't me | 11:56 |
| Kyral | ....I should suggest that the Wiki implement an AutoSave.... | 11:57 |
| mpt | last edited 2005-12-24 03:08:47 by CoreyBurger2 | 11:57 |
| mpt | we have another Corey Burger? | 11:57 |
| Kyral | lol | 11:57 |
| Kyral | Hey can I delete or rename the emacs page to Emacs? | 11:58 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, you can reanmed it | 11:58 |
| Burgwork | mpt, that si the last editor, no the creator | 11:58 |
| Kyral | nm saw rhe option lol | 11:58 |
| Kyral | Corey I'm gonna take it out of Category Cleanup when I revise it mkay? | 11:58 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, your wiki too | 11:59 |
| Burgwork | mpt, you are not the only person to be bitten by that annoying display thing | 11:59 |
| Kyral | Burgwork: My wiki too? (I guess I don't get the meaning) | 12:00 |
| mpt | Burgwork, what annoying display thing? | 12:00 |
| mpt | Burgwork, anyway, the reason I mentioned it was that Victor Jian and the OSTL in Beijing are doing super testing work, and not getting much feedback | 12:00 |
| mpt | Jiang, rather | 12:01 |
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