=== Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dop182 [i=dop182@200.234.69.206] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-214-138-72.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:39] eer what is Grumpy Groundhog? [12:39] as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutUbuntu [12:40] hyperactivecrond, a as of yet not released version of Ubuntu [12:40] oh. never mind. [12:40] Burgundavia: i have a bad habit of not googleing stuff before I ask... so ... apologies to the whole channel for not googleing before i asked [12:42] hyperactivecrond, hey, np [12:42] lol thx [12:42] grumpy was to be breezys code name === dop182 [i=dop182@200.234.69.206] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [12:43] as it would continue the hog theme [12:43] lol [12:43] do we need an install guide for Xubuntu? [12:43] isn't there one already on the wiki? [12:44] i mean an official one for Dapper [12:44] anything on the wiki is official [12:44] if you mean in SVN, go ahead if you want to write one [12:44] sweeeeet. === hyperactivecrond has to wait, then, for an xubuntu cd to be released [12:46] currently the installguide would be the same for (k)(x) and ubuntu [12:46] true... [12:46] maybe an appendix for differences in each? [12:47] there are no differences currently [12:47] Burgundavia: alright [12:47] however, for dapper they are going to be different [12:47] as we switch to (k)(x)ubuntu-express [12:47] installguide for dapper it ... [12:47] express? [12:48] wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress [12:50] so kind of what Mepis does? and Knoppix? (where you can install from cd) [12:50] yes [12:50] cool === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-214-138-72.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:51] ooh xubuntu's nice === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-214-138-72.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:08] ...only in cleveland can one have a severe t-storm on jan 2nd [01:09] instead of snow === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.228.128] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:50] Burgundavia: ping === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.228.128] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dop182 [i=dop182@200.234.69.206] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dop182 [i=dop182@200.234.69.206] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [i=user@206.114.53.249] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@206.114.53.249] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-74-95.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz_libre [n=mhz_chil@pc-2-102-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz_libre [n=mhz_chil@pc-2-102-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-71-237.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:44] hhhhmmm [05:45] hmmmm? [05:45] .oO(oh, jsgotangco is having lunch) [05:46] whats up? === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-229.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.228.217] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:04] Madpilot, pong === mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:22] bonsoir robitaille [08:23] hi Burgundavia === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:33] question, do we have a place to put something like a useful tips page? [08:33] poningru, what sort of tips? [08:33] like http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips [08:33] thats for firefox [08:34] big catchall docs like that are not reallly that great [08:34] for ubuntu it might be something like, how to hide your recent documents [08:34] try and integrate them into tasked based docs [08:34] oh ic [08:34] so create HowToHideRecentDocs [08:34] right ok [08:34] because when they are searching for that, they are looking for that, not a catchall tips page [08:35] yeah true, but it would be such a small page though [08:35] ...and the search on our wiki is pretty awful... :P [08:35] poningru, you can redirect if neccessary [08:38] ok I am just going to make a page like that [08:38] screw it [08:40] RecentDocuments [08:41] poningru: there's already a RecentChanges, you might want to pick a different name - and include Howto or something similar in the title, so people know what it is [08:42] hmm ok === wjb [n=Warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:45] I thought there was a PrintintHowTo [08:45] I guess not [08:45] someone want ot create one [08:48] Madpilot, ^ [09:06] Printing, you mean? [09:06] yes [09:06] create a page like the ScanningHowto I did [09:13] poningru, ping [09:15] poningru, I renamed your page to camelcase [09:15] k [09:15] camelcase? [09:15] the MixedCase stuff === warren_ [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru is confoozled [09:17] what are we talking about? [09:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/howtohiderecentdocuments [09:18] this page ^ [09:18] ItIsNotInCamelCase [09:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HideRecentDocumentsHowto [09:19] anyway, I need to crash [09:19] oh gotcha [09:19] night all [09:19] doh [09:19] night dude [09:19] later, Burgundavia === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.228.217] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden_ [n=ealden@ipdial-166-109.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:05] morning everyone [11:06] hi mdke [11:06] hey mdke [11:09] how are things? [11:09] hmm not so good for me [11:13] jsgotangco, how come? [11:13] lots of things to do after the holidays :/ [11:13] ah, as always === mdke reads scrollback [11:16] [23:43:44] < hyperactivecrond> do we need an install guide for Xubuntu? [11:16] we'll need an install guide for ubuntu first [11:16] wasn't that the guy who volunteered to write it? [11:23] ah no, not the same guy [11:44] mdke ping === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.151.120] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:55] bhuvan, yes? [11:56] just in case you have not noticed, fyi, i've included 'status' in 'make all' target [11:56] yeah I saw, nice work [11:56] ok [11:58] bhuvan, how's the server guide looking? [11:58] its looking good [11:58] think it'll be finished for dapper? [11:58] couple of sections are over. i'm preparing few more [11:59] awesome [11:59] i guess we've atleast 3 months ? [11:59] yep [11:59] so, sure, we'll complete it [12:00] meanwhile, there are couple of 'review' sections.. [12:00] bhuvan, i meant to ask, I noticed there is quite a lot of exim4 material on the Mailman wiki page, do you think it will be possible to make a separate page on exim4, and leave only Mailman specific stuff in the Mailman page? [12:00] then, we can add exim to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailServer [12:01] it should be possible, but, i guess the exim info available on Mailman wiki page is meant to configure exim for Mailman [12:01] imo, it can reside there [12:02] ok, so it's Mailman-specific? [12:03] yep [12:03] ah right [12:03] fair enough then [12:03] ok [12:03] back to server guide.. [12:03] Ok, keep up the great work :) [12:03] i've couple of review sections [12:04] when you have some time, i want you to proof read those sections and update it as completed [12:04] I will, thanks [12:04] ok [12:05] if you feel that more tech info needs to be added or such, let me know so i can work on it [12:05] i meant more tech info in those review sections [12:06] sure [12:08] bbl === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-166-109.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-166-109.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [i=dirrrtyd@adsl-68-253-67-164.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:33] morning, when soemone get's a chance can they review the updated release notes for kubuntu? [04:36] im reading them now [04:38] jjesse, Kubuntu dapper 2 is very very broken though [04:39] jsgotangco: i understand that, however everything in the release notes should be either what is in or what is going to be in [04:39] yep [04:39] i couldnt make a proper test since it just doesnt work on mine at the moment [04:40] i'm running it on two test instances myself, one test computer and also on qemu [04:40] probably in a few days :) [04:40] w/o any problems [04:40] ahh [04:40] it must be hardware then [04:40] i had to setup my interface verytime i boot [04:40] oh yeah sorry that is the one issue i'm having [04:40] forgot about that :) [04:41] been along time since i've shutdown the box so i forget bout that [04:42] i always had to do sudo kcontrol on the console just to fix it via gui [04:43] be right back [04:43] i gotta sleep [04:43] later [04:43] there are some minor changes i'll commit === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nickrud [n=aias@adsl-69-153-194-72.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:36] Burgwork: ping? [06:36] LaserJock, pong [06:38] Burgwork: are there any guides or anything about cleaning up wiki's. Myself and another guy want to clean up the MOTU wiki but I worry about redirects or deletions [06:39] I would like to be able to rename wiki pages easily but I just don't think that is going to work [06:39] I am trying to clean up the structure as well as the content === wftl [n=mgagne@salmar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:42] LaserJock, google the names if you are not certain. Redirect any pages older than a couple of weeks [06:43] k [06:43] LaserJock, s/names/URLs [06:45] sure === Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:07] Burgwork: what about using subpage structure, like putting all the MOTU stuff under MOTU/ ? [07:07] LaserJock, what about it? [07:08] is there a reason not to use them? [07:08] It seemed like there was some discussion about it a while [07:08] LaserJock, there is no reason not to use them [07:09] ok, cool [07:09] caveat: for things that are logically grouped together, such as the MOTU stuff [07:10] sure === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.222.22] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-77-220.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wftl [n=mgagne@salmar.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] [08:20] mdke, thoughts on a ForReview category for docs? === hyperactivecrond [n=hyperact@adsl-65-43-215-147.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:25] can someone just look over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins === hyperactivecrond [n=hyperact@adsl-65-43-215-147.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:27] guys also whats the policy on deletion on the wiki [08:27] ? [08:27] Burgwork, i think we have too many categories, Cleanup, ForReview and NeedsExpansion should probably be a max of 2 [08:28] poningru, WikiGuide shows the policy on deletion [08:28] poningru, mail the list about FirefoxPlugins and someone will take a look :) [08:28] k [08:28] afk again [08:29] mdke, ok [08:31] mdke: not ok [08:31] come back now ;) [08:31] poningru, Burgwork can help too :) [08:31] having just added FirefoxPlugins is the reason I'm lurking here. I'm hoping a bit of quietly watching will help ensure I don't stuff up too badly when overhauling the Firefox-related docs :-) [08:32] Hendikins, best plan is to use the mailing list, that way we can keep track of stuff, you won't always find someone active here [08:32] mdke, I don't actually work [08:32] poningru, yes, I can help [08:32] mdke: I'm more here to watch, not ask. [08:32] Burgwork, ;) === Hendikins ususally just harasses poningru if he wants to ask [08:33] Hendikins, you're welcome to ask, but if no one responds, or people are busy, feel free to use the ML too :) [08:34] mdke: I prefer to be seen and not heard, but thanks for the tip :) [08:35] Hendikins, like a good child? ;) [08:35] heh [08:36] seriously, I am usually here during PST working hours (GMT -8) [08:36] Burgwork: I thought you were central [08:36] nope [08:37] Main reason I'm digging in to Firefox docs on the wiki is that I'm already firmly entrenched in Firefox support, and it helps having good docs outside of our domain[s] [08:37] you are in chicago right? [08:37] and I'm AEDT, so all your timezones are probably irrelevant to me anyway ;-) [08:37] poningru_out, me? Victoria BC Canada dammit [08:37] oh doh [08:37] Hendikins, that is +13, no? [08:37] must be thinking of someone else [08:37] +11 [08:38] your brother lives with you right? [08:38] New Zealand is +13 [08:38] poningru_out, no, but we are both involved in Ubuntu doc work [08:38] where does Madpilot live then? [08:39] poningru_out, Victoria, BC, Canada dammit [08:39] ok I really have to [08:39] will talk later [08:39] :D [08:39] just not in the same house [08:39] we don't live in igloos in Canada, ya know [08:39] ;) [08:41] heh. I'd better get going myself. I've got to be back getting up at this time by next week, not going to bed. === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-229.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:27] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Fedora [09:30] before it spreads too far, is installing realplayer with a deb legal anywhere? [09:31] nickrud, yes, because the deb simply calls teh downloader [09:31] thus the actual realplayer code is not being distributed [09:32] for the one in multiverse, yes, but not the one on restricted. It has the code embedded in the deb. [09:32] nickrud, there is no realplayer in restricted [09:32] restricted formats, I mean [09:32] again, we are not distributing it [09:33] true. I wasn't sure just where I should draw the line [09:33] as long as we make it clear that some things may not be legal, I think we are good [09:33] anyway, I'm pretty much done with the structure and theme of NewJava. [09:34] yes, I saw that [09:34] it's an extreme solution :) [09:34] nickrud, general style comment. Use Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), not just Breezy or Hoary [09:35] those are placeholders. I've already changed it in places. Now, how do I refer to the distros? amd, ppc, 386 are lame [09:35] hmm, not sure about that latest java thing [09:36] i386 = your PC [09:36] amd64 = your 64-bit PC [09:36] ppc = Apple and other PowerPC computers [09:37] ok, I tentatively tried PC, 64-bit PC and Mac on the mplayer page. [09:38] but some are still going to say, "I have an amd64 processor", but are running 32-bit. [09:38] that is fine, that is not our concern [09:40] when they get the 64bit blackdown, and try to install it, they'll say 'those docs suck' :) [09:41] again, not our concern [09:41] but I guess you have to assume some intelligence on their part, or you'll be splitting to infinity. [09:41] if they are running 32 bit on 64, they should know enough [09:42] ok. [09:43] Anyway, the only truly relevant new thing on that page is advocating getting the latest java-package. [09:44] If the wiki does that, then it will let the other java pages clean themselves up nicely. [09:44] you need to mention that Breezy ships with GCJ java [09:44] ah, yes [09:44] I'd have to research that some, of course. I don't know much about java itself. [09:47] I avoid it like the plague [09:48] I almost want to say that about docbook. That is some angular writing. === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@adsl-68-76-76-47.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:11] yo [10:13] salut Kyral [10:14] I have an idea for the Install Guide [10:15] sweeet [10:15] maybe we could research alternative install methods [10:15] ? [10:15] like without a CDROM Drive [10:15] from a USB Stick [10:15] Netboot [10:15] etc [10:15] there is already some of that work on the wiki [10:15] problem: [10:15] solution: [10:15] the main problem is that we have no installguide [10:15] because I'm working on it :D [10:16] Kyral, where is it? [10:16] I'm waiting until the GUI INstaller comes around to start [10:16] does ubuntu support netboot? [10:16] hyperactivecrond, yes [10:16] and...until my computer borks [10:16] unborks [10:16] hmm. [10:16] Kyral, in the meantime, fix up the subpages on Installation in the wiki [10:16] !bork [10:16] Burgwork: that was a nice demo of LTSP at Ubuntu Love wasn't it [10:17] Kyral, ah, yes, I remember now [10:17] I was about to say that I had no idea what you were talking about [10:17] haahah [10:17] Only like two or three MOTU even realize I was there === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by Burgundavia at Tue Nov 8 03:34:59 2005 [10:59] (jjesse/#ubuntu-doc) do i have to do anything on tun0 to bring it active before starting the virtual machine? [11:01] jjesse: nope [11:01] hmmm :( [11:01] what's wrong? [11:02] still can't get a dhcp address from my dapper session [11:02] dhclient tun0 maybe? [11:02] argh gotta head out :( === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-69.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork beats his head against FC4 [11:18] lol [11:18] Fedora Core [11:18] EVIL [11:18] sadlly my company decided to build an enterprise offering on it [11:18] silk and sows ears come to mind === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-229.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:53] damnit [11:53] I didn't save my work [11:53] oops [11:53] and I lost the connection [11:54] Kyral, let me guess, you're using a 1980s-style computer that makes you save everything manually [11:54] no [11:54] I was editing it via a FreeNX session [11:54] ah [11:54] and I lost the connection before I could save it [11:55] Burgwork, wow, I was about to suggest you create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing, then I saw you'd already done it [11:56] mpt, that isn't me [11:57] ....I should suggest that the Wiki implement an AutoSave.... [11:57] last edited 2005-12-24 03:08:47 by CoreyBurger2 [11:57] we have another Corey Burger? [11:57] lol [11:58] Hey can I delete or rename the emacs page to Emacs? [11:58] Kyral, you can reanmed it [11:58] mpt, that si the last editor, no the creator [11:58] nm saw rhe option lol [11:58] Corey I'm gonna take it out of Category Cleanup when I revise it mkay? [11:59] Kyral, your wiki too [11:59] mpt, you are not the only person to be bitten by that annoying display thing [12:00] Burgwork: My wiki too? (I guess I don't get the meaning) [12:00] Burgwork, what annoying display thing? [12:00] Burgwork, anyway, the reason I mentioned it was that Victor Jian and the OSTL in Beijing are doing super testing work, and not getting much feedback [12:01] Jiang, rather